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Announced 20 minutes ago on Twitter... Penguins play Akron for opener in 2020. The Steel tire is back baby!
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If there is no return game... I have no interest and I doubt this will be a trophy game. Just means that we are having trouble scheduling a money game. We could very easily lose a game like this, which would be very bad for our post-season chances should we be borderline for a selection.
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IAA I know your feelings on the matter, but since I live and work in Akron now I'm excited. All my fellow ysu grads at work are going and all the Akron grads are gonna go. This is already spreading like wildfire at work. Gonna be for some serious bragging rights. I for one am excited and going to look at the bright side.
After all, can't be worried about losing this. The 2019 season has not even started let alone 2020
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Can confirm from the Akron announcement this is a one off money game. No home and home.
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Bout time. Time to beat these chumps.
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No return game at YSU. Akron, and other FBS schools no interest in playing an FCS team in the road. Tressel got this done. It beats playing 3 stiffs at home.
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Finally! Tressel used Akron as the signature game and used it to get us to the next level. Can Pelini do the same?
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I did not wish to sound so negative in my last post; but the truth is that Akron will be lucky to be outside of the bottom-25 in any given year. The expectation for any quality I-AA team would be to easily defeat the Zips.
Now maybe it has been a while, but there are still some feelings of a rivalry out there and that makes this game much more difficult for YSU, than any other I-AA/FCS team. The MAC is not paying us what we could get from a major conference. Sure, I like having a close away venue, but with no return game and less cash than another IA/FBS club would pay pay us…there is simply no good reason to play this game.
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I did not wish to sound so negative in my last post; but the truth is that Akron will be lucky to be outside of the bottom-25 in any given year. The expectation for any quality I-AA team would be to easily defeat the Zips.
Now maybe it has been a while, but there are still some feelings of a rivalry out there and that makes this game much more difficult for YSU, than any other I-AA/FCS team. The MAC is not paying us what we could get from a major conference. Sure, I like having a close away venue, but with no return game and less cash than another IA/FBS club would pay pay us…there is simply no good reason to play this game.
Just stop. There’s been more excitement and buzz around this game in the 2 hours since it’s been announced than playing Duquesne or Bobby Morris at home ever will.
Beating Akron in Akron and getting paid to do it ? Sign me up.
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Exciting. Better than playing a joke team. Plus we can drive there in 1 hour. Rather play a power 5 team but we have a chance to beat a 1a team. Who is Akrons new coach?
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Exciting. Better than playing a joke team. Plus we can drive there in 1 hour. Rather play a power 5 team but we have a chance to beat a 1a team. Who is Akrons new coach?
Tom Arth. Former John Carroll head coach.
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Do not like it at all, they put the screws to us and I have a long memory. No home game, no interest.
They are very low level 1A, if we win not a lot of upside unless we really blow them out. If we lose it looks bad to the playoff selection committee, hurts local recruiting and will tick me off.
Will have to see what the payday will be but will be surprised if it is worth getting excited about.
With our difficult league schedule a loss to Florida would be better than a possible loss to the zits.
I doubt that I will go to the game, no interest in contributing money to their athletic department after they put the screws to us. Like I said I have a long memory.
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Do not like it at all, they put the screws to us and I have a long memory. No home game, no interest.
They are very low level 1A, if we win not a lot of upside unless we really blow them out. If we lose it looks bad to the playoff selection committee, hurts local recruiting and will tick me off.
Will have to see what the payday will be but will be surprised if it is worth getting excited about.
With our difficult league schedule a loss to Florida would be better than a possible loss to the zits.
I doubt that I will go to the game, no interest in contributing money to their athletic department after they put the screws to us. Like I said I have a long memory.
Who cares, get over it. YSU never was and never will be FBS football. Those schools will not come here to play us anymore. Not in this day. You don't like playing at Akron but playing non scholly Butler and losing at home is ok ?
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Take the money. Win the game. A big crowd will put a lot of pressure on Akron and Kent to rethink what they are doing and the subsidies they pay for their sports programs. It is about time universities listen to customer interest on who they schedule.
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I’m pumped. Regardless of all the other baggage it’s the first rivalry type game YSU football has had since I’ve been a fan. if we lose it might hurt local recruiting slightly but it would mostly just reinforce what local recruits already think about YSU vs MAC. However if we win... and win convincingly like I expect we will it’ll be a HUGE recruitment tool for us. I see very little downside to this game
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Nice! Would love to see Can't State the week after instead of Duquesne :)
2021 Sparty
Really excited about the 2022 season! 17 Sep game in Lexington KY 8)
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Pride & Chief, I cannot support what you are saying. First of all Akron does not even count if we win & will crush our post-season chances (and general reputation) if we lose (just like losing to Butler). Being tied with a ranked WVU at half time, or upsetting Pitt is meaningful. For any decent I-AA/FCS team ... Beating Akron is an expectation and a necessity.
Secondly, I am 100-times more excited about ANY home game, than ANY away game. Just common sense. Other reasons include UA "trashing" our program for just about the entire decade of the 90's and the players that we will lose (recruits) if we do not win. Also people being excited? The excitement will leave in an instant when they find out we get no return Right now, we hold the trophy, what if we lose it, with no chance to get it back? This is the same thing that happened with Kent. The last time we played KSU (the Schwebel's trophy) ...we lost. There has been no chance since to get the trophy back. This game should NEVER have been agreed to w/o a return guarantee.
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Take the money. Win the game. A big crowd will put a lot of pressure on Akron and Kent to rethink what they are doing and the subsidies they pay for their sports programs. It is about time universities listen to customer interest on who they schedule.
Don't you mean "university"? As in YSU. Why should Akron care, all they are doing is filling a HOME date with no other obligation. No sense of community here at all. Fan's in Akron see their team as stepping down to play an FCS team, nothing more. It has been 3 generations since we last played Akron in football.
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Pride & Chief, I cannot support what you are saying. First of all Akron does not even count if we win & will crush our post-season chances (and general reputation) if we lose (just like losing to Butler). Being tied with a ranked WVU at half time, or upsetting Pitt is meaningful. For any decent I-AA/FCS team ... Beating Akron is an expectation and a necessity.
Secondly, I am 100-times more excited about ANY home game, than ANY away game. Just common sense. Other reasons include UA "trashing" our program for just about the entire decade of the 90's and the players that we will lose (recruits) if we do not win. Also people being excited? The excitement will leave in an instant when they find out we get no return Right now, we hold the trophy, what if we lose it, with no chance to get it back? This is the same thing that happened with Kent. The last time we played KSU (the Schwebel's trophy) ...we lost. There has been no chance since to get the trophy back. This game should NEVER have been agreed to w/o a return guarantee.
Recruits already assume the MAC is a step up from FCS, they don’t understand that the MVFC has actually been considered a tougher conference to be in for a few years. A YSU loss changes very little in regards to recruit perception IMO, however a win could have big implications.
Also who cares if we lose the trophy, YSU students and some younger fans don’t even know the dumb thing exists because we haven’t played Akron since they were born.
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Pride & Chief, I cannot support what you are saying. First of all Akron does not even count if we win & will crush our post-season chances (and general reputation) if we lose (just like losing to Butler). Being tied with a ranked WVU at half time, or upsetting Pitt is meaningful. For any decent I-AA/FCS team ... Beating Akron is an expectation and a necessity.
Secondly, I am 100-times more excited about ANY home game, than ANY away game. Just common sense. Other reasons include UA "trashing" our program for just about the entire decade of the 90's and the players that we will lose (recruits) if we do not win. Also people being excited? The excitement will leave in an instant when they find out we get no return Right now, we hold the trophy, what if we lose it, with no chance to get it back? This is the same thing that happened with Kent. The last time we played KSU (the Schwebel's trophy) ...we lost. There has been no chance since to get the trophy back. This game should NEVER have been agreed to w/o a return guarantee.
What planet are you living on ? Typical fans still living in the 90's. THOSE DAYS ARE GONE.
Time to get over it.
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Pride & Chief, I cannot support what you are saying. First of all Akron does not even count if we win & will crush our post-season chances (and general reputation) if we lose (just like losing to Butler). Being tied with a ranked WVU at half time, or upsetting Pitt is meaningful. For any decent I-AA/FCS team ... Beating Akron is an expectation and a necessity.
Secondly, I am 100-times more excited about ANY home game, than ANY away game. Just common sense. Other reasons include UA "trashing" our program for just about the entire decade of the 90's and the players that we will lose (recruits) if we do not win. Also people being excited? The excitement will leave in an instant when they find out we get no return Right now, we hold the trophy, what if we lose it, with no chance to get it back? This is the same thing that happened with Kent. The last time we played KSU (the Schwebel's trophy) ...we lost. There has been no chance since to get the trophy back. This game should NEVER have been agreed to w/o a return guarantee.
What planet are you living on ? Typical fans still living in the 90's. THOSE DAYS ARE GONE.
Time to get over it.
LOL I maybe,,, I mentioned Can't state the week after the Zits like the good ole days 8)
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A lot of chatter on zipnation.org about this game, and for the most part they are excited. Some are worried while others think the zits will blow YSU out by 50.
.....I hate/despise Akron. The feeling has never gone away after all these years. In a somewhat odd way I take pride in that fact. ;D
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AA: Akron should care because they have a stadium that they can’t fill or pay for.
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We fought this game as a no return game for 25 years and basically lost the bet. Much like President Trump and the Wall. We are trying to be financially responsible and Akron is not. We are having a difficult time getting money games and with the trips to the Dakotas yearly, need the money. Akron needs games that might draw fans and we need a money game so this is it. I think in a good year we can beat them; in an off year no. Hope we are recruiting well and can go there with a strong team. The QB position I think is key for us. Hopefully we have one now and in the future. The offense can sure help the defense when it goes well. Just re watch the Eastern Washington game of 2 year ago and see how that last 6 minute drive saved us. But we had a good QB and O line and a great RB. This game will sure generate as much interest as any game in the resent past. A win would be huge.
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I am not living in the 90's. Just the opposite.. Heck, I was severely chastised when I mentioned that I was happy when Tressel left for Columbus. I did not like his new offense. (1996)
However, Chief & Pride are talking about the excitement or "buzz" and the only people that would be excited are those people over age 45. All we are doing is making Akron feel larger than they are, at our own expense. I will never support this game. Sure I will go, because I am a YSU fan, that is my duty.
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In the past 25 years, Akron has never played a quality FCS opponent. Just pieces of junk. Their fans have absolutely no idea what a strong MVFC team would do to a second division MAC foe. Perhaps the final Sagarin ratings from 2018 might give them some idea:
19 NDSU
58 SDSU
127 YSU
132 Akron
157 Kent
Obviously, our job is to become one of those "strong" MVFC teams by 2020.
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Pride & Chief, I cannot support what you are saying. First of all Akron does not even count if we win & will crush our post-season chances (and general reputation) if we lose (just like losing to Butler). Being tied with a ranked WVU at half time, or upsetting Pitt is meaningful. For any decent I-AA/FCS team ... Beating Akron is an expectation and a necessity.
Secondly, I am 100-times more excited about ANY home game, than ANY away game. Just common sense. Other reasons include UA "trashing" our program for just about the entire decade of the 90's and the players that we will lose (recruits) if we do not win. Also people being excited? The excitement will leave in an instant when they find out we get no return Right now, we hold the trophy, what if we lose it, with no chance to get it back? This is the same thing that happened with Kent. The last time we played KSU (the Schwebel's trophy) ...we lost. There has been no chance since to get the trophy back. This game should NEVER have been agreed to w/o a return guarantee.
1AA Butler and Akron are the same? Surely you jest? Your bitterness of decades old grudges shades your judgement. This is a GOOD thing for YSU and damn the return game. OSU, WVA MSU, Kentucky Maryland don't time us a return. Get over it! This more like an 8th home game. It's closer for your too.
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Sounds like a whole bunch of folks must be twitterpated with Mr Strollo, I love it.
I will stick to my principles when it comes to the zits and remain against the game.
The good news is that based on what I have been reading in this thread and scheduling threads in the past, I have no doubt that there will be better than 9000 YSU fans making the short trip to the game. Heck maybe more!
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I am not living in the 90's. Just the opposite.. Heck, I was severely chastised when I mentioned that I was happy when Tressel left for Columbus. I did not like his new offense. (1996)
However, Chief & Pride are talking about the excitement or "buzz" and the only people that would be excited are those people over age 45. All we are doing is making Akron feel larger than they are, at our own expense. I will never support this game. Sure I will go, because I am a YSU fan, that is my duty.
I am 26. All my friends are young (all are under 30) and very excited
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Embarrassing to call yourself a YSU fan if you think this game is a bad idea. Tressel himself is the one who made this game happen.
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Want the answer to is this good or bad? Look at the posters on this thread. Some we rarely see, some I don't recall ever seeing. There's your answer. Most interest in some time on this board, so game is a GREAT get for JT.
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I am one of those folks that you do not see much. Read everyday, but rarely post. Yep IMHO this is great news!! Hate Akron same as Michigan and would not miss this game. Will mention I live in Cbus so knocking a hour off my trip is gravey!
Goooooo Guins!!!!
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First of all JT has not 'gotten' a game for us since 1999, so people should get over the "superman complex". He is the president now ...not the AD. Strollo is much more of an AD than JT ever was. Furthermore, Akron & Kent would jump at a game with YSU in a heartbeat, so it is not much more than a desperation move on our behalf. Not some heavily-negotiated coup. We let the MAC and Akron dictate the terms.
I could care less about what happened in the past, we have played Akron in most every other sport for years now. It does not change the fact that we let a school and a conference walk on us years ago and did nothing about it. We should have petitioned the NCAA many years ago to send a request to the MAC to drop the policy to not allow conference schools to play at lower-division schools. At the very least, allow exceptions for historically significant schools, schools within a certain mileage of each other, or within the same state.
So again, YSU will struggle with Akron (because of proximity and history); where NDSU, JMU, SDSU and other would barely break a sweat. This is a no-win game for us:
-If we lose, we will be written off at the beginning of the year (just like the Butler loss doomed us this past season).
-If it is a close win, YSU is "not looking to be very good this year".
-If we win big it is an expectation, because of Akron's terribly-low ranking and standing as an FBS team.
In short, a no-win situation and a game that NEVER should have been scheduled. BTW Chief, real fans do not have to be deaf, dumb and blind. GO ...Butler and Akron are both "bottom-feeders". So in that regard, they are exactly the same.
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I know 100% for a fact Tressel was the man who got this game so you can cry and whine all you want but facts are facts. He has more pull than he's ever had.
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I will probably drive in from NC to watch this.
Before I moved I couldn't care less if I drove the 45 minutes needed to watch us play the likes of Bobby Mo or Duquesne.
Say what you want about return games, I don't give a crap abput that.
Football is a recreational activity. Entertainment, pure and simple. As a consumer I would much rather see YSU\Akron than any other non-conference game in recent memory. To me, this is a great event. Another game against a Pioneer\NEC league team isn't. I don't need or want to see another one of those as long as I live unless its after Thanksgiving.
This is a rivalry, and I for one am glad its back, even if its a one and done.
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First of all JT has not 'gotten' a game for us since 1999, so people should get over the "superman complex". He is the president now ...not the AD. Strollo is much more of an AD than JT ever was. Furthermore, Akron & Kent would jump at a game with YSU in a heartbeat, so it is not much more than a desperation move on our behalf. Not some heavily-negotiated coup. We let the MAC and Akron dictate the terms.
I could care less about what happened in the past, we have played Akron in most every other sport for years now. It does not change the fact that we let a school and a conference walk on us years ago and did nothing about it. We should have petitioned the NCAA many years ago to send a request to the MAC to drop the policy to not allow conference schools to play at lower-division schools. At the very least, allow exceptions for historically significant schools, schools within a certain mileage of each other, or within the same state.
So again, YSU will struggle with Akron (because of proximity and history); where NDSU, JMU, SDSU and other would barely break a sweat. This is a no-win game for us:
-If we lose, we will be written off at the beginning of the year (just like the Butler loss doomed us this past season).
-If it is a close win, YSU is "not looking to be very good this year".
-If we win big it is an expectation, because of Akron's terribly-low ranking and standing as an FBS team.
In short, a no-win situation and a game that NEVER should have been scheduled. BTW Chief, real fans do not have to be deaf, dumb and blind. GO ...Butler and Akron are both "bottom-feeders". So in that regard, they are exactly the same.
IAA I respect your opinion about this game even though I disagree with it. And you do bring up good points of it being a gamble. Of course losing the game will hurt recruiting. But like the comment that only those over 45 are interested in this game .... I have to set the record straight.
http://www.wfmj.com/story/39967993/akron-ad-lunch-with-president-tressell-started-talks-of-ysu-akron-football
So sure stollo is the AD, and I'm sure involved in this. But this conversation started thanks to JT. Unless this is all lies and fake news.
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I will probably drive in from NC to watch this.
Before I moved I couldn't care less if I drove the 45 minutes needed to watch us play the likes of Bobby Mo or Duquesne.
Say what you want about return games, I don't give a crap abput that.
Football is a recreational activity. Entertainment, pure and simple. As a consumer I would much rather see YSU\Akron than any other non-conference game in recent memory. To me, this is a great event. Another game against a Pioneer\NEC league team isn't. I don't need or want to see another one of those as long as I live unless its after Thanksgiving.
This is a rivalry, and I for one am glad its back, even if its a one and done.
Well we already have our two warm-up games in 2020, so this is not a substitute. It is a substitute for a money game. Again, IMO any home game is better than any away game. Secondly, you know darn well that a game against an ACC, Big-12 or Big-10 team would be preferred, this is all we could get.
FROM THE ARTICLE:
"We're open to continuing if after the one year," Williams said, adding Akron won't play at YSU due rules in Mid American Conference playing at FCS schools.
According to Williams, Youngstown State will receive "in the ball park of $300,000 dollars" for the game, but did not have the exact amount.
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He is dictating policy to us. If he truly cared about having a continued series, Williams would step up and confront the MAC. Clearly we are simply filling a date on their calendar. This cash is not much more than an FCS game would cost/bring. Agree or not, this was a bad game to schedule.
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1AA Fan has some points, but I see reality in this game. We are FCS and they are FBS. Is that correct or not, that is debatable. We for sure can not afford to be FBS. I am not aware of any FBS teams playing at FCS team currently. Haven't done the research, but who would come to YSU as an FBS team and play us?
As difficult as this is to accept, it is reality. We need the game and it will bring huge interest from YSU fans and plenty of MAC fans as well. A loss to us is really a knock on their situation. They have way more to loose that we do in this game in my opinion.
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300k to drive 45 min to go beat them in their own stadium ? Count me in.
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300k to drive 45 min to go beat them in their own stadium ? Count me in.
Agreed!
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1 AA, you are wrong on this. JT got the game with his connections. Strollo still living in 90's and stubborn. He didn't want the game unless Akron gave us a return game, and that doesn't make any sense. Why would any FBS team go play and FCS team on the road?
As for your comparison of Akron and Butler, that is ridiculous. We were a 37 point favorite over non-scholarship Butler, unless things changes considerably over the next year or so, we will be the underdog at Akron. This is not the YSU of the 90's, we were 4-7 last year. Lost to Butler, and lost by 25 points to Indiana State. YSU has missed the playoffs 3 of 4 years under Pelini.
This a great game for YSU. As Chief stated, 300 K, and only a bus trip on the expense side.
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It is NOT living in the 90's. Who cares about that, it is living for the future. IF we concede on this, then they will be asking again, as will Kent and all of the other MAC schools. We set the standard that we will play anyone & most importantly, will take $300k to play. That is nothing these days. The FBS norm is basically twice that. If it becomes a "trophy contest" that will make it even worse.
All of you people that get excited over Akron are the ones living in the 90's (and earlier)! To me, they are just a "basement bottom" FBS team and (I will repeat) there is no good reason to play this game and it NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED WITHOUT A RETURN GAME. Anyone (I mean anyone) outside of the Valley will fall out of their chair if we lose this game. This includes members of the championship selection committee. With this staff, we cannot afford to have anymore doubts.
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You're are so clueless about everything on this board. Seriously my 6-year-old daughter has a better grasp on the reality on sports than you.
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You're are so clueless about everything on this board. Seriously my 6-year-old daughter has a better grasp on the reality on sports than you.
+1
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What is the matter, cannot support your convictions so you attack the person? Without anything else behind it (like a return game or offer to join the conference); any 6-year old knows what a waste this game is. I want my money games to have power conference teams and power conference pay-checks. BTW, if you really do have a six-year-old, then chances are you do not even remember the last time we played Akron in football. If we had a P5 offer, you should wish to drop this game in a heartbeat
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1 AA I will leave it at this. Tressel 100% for sure got this game. We will be playing Michigan State again, that too is Tressel, his relationship with their head coach Mark Dantonio who worked for Tressel at YSU and Ohio State.
I can tell you this as well, we are going to play Pitt again soon, their new AD worked in athletic administration at Ohio State when Tressel coached there. Yes, Tressel is the reason Pitt will be playing us again soon.
Why are you so stubborn and can't see that FBS teams aren't coming here! As for the MAC, we don't have the money to even begin a discussion with that conference to join.
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Looking at fbsdchedules.com the earliest we play Pitt again is 2023. Unless YSU plays two fbs games in 2022.
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Why are you so stubborn and can't see that FBS teams aren't coming here!
This is obvious. What I am being stubborn in is not going to Akron. As to Tressel, believe what you need to believe and I will do the same. I will be at all of those games.
I tell you who also deserves more credit that he is given for the softening of the relationship with Pitt (as well as many things in general) is Trevor Parks and the Athletics Communications Department.
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What is the matter, cannot support your convictions so you attack the person? Without anything else behind it (like a return game or offer to join the conference); any 6-year old knows what a waste this game is. I want my money games to have power conference teams and power conference pay-checks. BTW, if you really do have a six-year-old, then chances are you do not even remember the last time we played Akron in football. If we had a P5 offer, you should wish to drop this game in a heartbeat
wrong again. I was born in 1981 and was at the game at the Rubber Bowl wearing a Jerry's Kid's shirt that my uncle had gotten for me. Your math is almost as bad as your sports knowledge. Nice try, though.
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What is the matter, cannot support your convictions so you attack the person? Without anything else behind it (like a return game or offer to join the conference); any 6-year old knows what a waste this game is. I want my money games to have power conference teams and power conference pay-checks. BTW, if you really do have a six-year-old, then chances are you do not even remember the last time we played Akron in football. If we had a P5 offer, you should wish to drop this game in a heartbeat
1AA, sad to say but that is the way things are in this country now days, if you do not agree with someone, you must knock them down a few pegs. We see it every day in the news.
Whether we agree or dis-agree with the game, is meaningless Whose connections are better than the next persons connections is meaningless. Message boards like this are great for exchanging thoughts and opinions. It is better if we do not all agree. Trick is to not make it personal.
I agree with you that if we have a chance to pick up a real 1A payday I would drop the zits in a second.
As I eluded to in an earlier post, I see this game as a possible Gotcha game for many YSU fans. After years of complaining about the schedule and using that as a reason for the lack of interest, they now will have a chance to step up to the plate and show that they were correct.
I set the bar at 9000 fans from YSU and will keep it there. 9000 or more will tell me that I need to rethink things. Anything less than 9000 and they will need to rethink things.
Should be interesting.