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I say play the younger kids and get the QB's ready for next year. If you are going to keep your unqualified coaching staff and train them on the fans dime, go ahead and get it out of the way. This game was an abortion. I have never seen a team play that poorly in my lifetime and I have seen some bad games and bad teams. We aren't going anywhere this year and we will finish near the bottom. I did not expect this type of struggle with this team. We were outcoached and outplayed. We are inept.
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Did the coaches not tell the kids about the new rule with the pants. Kids want to wear shorts and play the game.
Concentrate on playing football.
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I say play the younger kids and get the QB's ready for next year. If you are going to keep your unqualified coaching staff and train them on the fans dime, go ahead and get it out of the way. This game was an abortion. I have never seen a team play that poorly in my lifetime and I have seen some bad games and bad teams. We aren't going anywhere this year and we will finish near the bottom. I did not expect this type of struggle with this team. We were outcoached and outplayed. We are inept.
Lol it’s one game. An out of conference game at that. No, losing to a glorified D3 team doesnt bode well for the season but saying the season is over is an over reaction. Like every other year we won’t know what we’re made of until conference play. So there’s plenty of time to get this team playing like an actual D1 school.
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I say play the younger kids and get the QB's ready for next year. If you are going to keep your unqualified coaching staff and train them on the fans dime, go ahead and get it out of the way. This game was an abortion. I have never seen a team play that poorly in my lifetime and I have seen some bad games and bad teams. We aren't going anywhere this year and we will finish near the bottom. I did not expect this type of struggle with this team. We were outcoached and outplayed. We are inept.
Lol it’s one game. An out of conference game at that. No, losing to a glorified D3 team doesnt bode well for the season but saying the season is over is an over reaction. Like every other year we won’t know what we’re made of until conference play. So there’s plenty of time to get this team playing like an actual D1 school.
Kandrase while I agree with you to an extent, I will mention this. The coaches and players all said they thought they were ready and weren't. And pelini said the culture was closest it has been to what he wanted, and yet in the post disaster presser savon was saying that the team didn't take it serious and missed meetings this week ect that was poor prep. So if there can be such a disconnect between where we are and where pelini thought we are, along with the difference in discipline and culture, I think it's pretty clear we are in for a bad year. Hope I'm wrong but I see nothing to suggest otherwise.
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I say play the younger kids and get the QB's ready for next year. If you are going to keep your unqualified coaching staff and train them on the fans dime, go ahead and get it out of the way. This game was an abortion. I have never seen a team play that poorly in my lifetime and I have seen some bad games and bad teams. We aren't going anywhere this year and we will finish near the bottom. I did not expect this type of struggle with this team. We were outcoached and outplayed. We are inept.
Lol it’s one game. An out of conference game at that. No, losing to a glorified D3 team doesnt bode well for the season but saying the season is over is an over reaction. Like every other year we won’t know what we’re made of until conference play. So there’s plenty of time to get this team playing like an actual D1 school.
Kandrase while I agree with you to an extent, I will mention this. The coaches and players all said they thought they were ready and weren't. And pelini said the culture was closest it has been to what he wanted, and yet in the post disaster presser savon was saying that the team didn't take it serious and missed meetings this week ect that was poor prep. So if there can be such a disconnect between where we are and where pelini thought we are, along with the difference in discipline and culture, I think it's pretty clear we are in for a bad year. Hope I'm wrong but I see nothing to suggest otherwise.
Yes, i understand the sentiment and the loss is a massive embarrassment and certainly a possible indicator of a bad season... however, I’ve watched this sport long enough to know that one game is just one game. If we beat WVU by 3 tds next week I’ll say the same thing, it’s just one game. I just don’t think 4 quarters of football is enough evidence to declare 2018 a failure.
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Yesterday was easily my most unpleasant game day experience in over 45 years of watching YSU games and that includes the time I had my car broken into at Rayen Stadium.
Had to move to the West Side, chair back seats were nice except no room for the knees. Throw in a bunch of drinkers, smokers and unemployed coaches offering their advice. And oh yea the weather was a pain.
Now the game, players looked unprepared, uninspired and undisciplined. No doubt that we were out coached big time. Bo has been here long enough, it is his team, his staff and his program. Maybe The Huskers knew something we are just figuring out.
Is the season over, of course not. Pretty sure we will start out 0-2 so the third game will tell me something. Let's see how the players and coaches react then we will know how the season will go.
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Some of you predicted 8 wins! Lol.
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Some of you predicted 8 wins! Lol.
When I am wrong I admit it, 8 wins is not going to happen.
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While trying to stay positive, I think back to 2012 when Wolf beat Pitt and UNI to start the season 4-0. I was thinking at the time this team's headed for a deep playoff run, and then they lose the next 4 and don't even make the playoffs. Maybe this year will be the opposite. Start out looking terrible, then go 7-2 to finish the regular season.
In regards to Butler, they were probably the weakest team YSU has lost to during my years of attending, but I feel the loss to 1-9 MSU in 2011 with the playoffs on the line was the worst loss.
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While it doesn't look good, it also isn't hopeless and the season is over when the whistle blows in the last game. If we don't want are kids to grow up losers, and our team and university to be losers, then we shouldn't teach them to be losers. Let's support the Quins against Valpo and get ready for the league. As to playing young QB's, that is a delicate thing, as you can destroy a young QB's confidence when you are just trying to give him experience. We'have all seen than happen, so mop up etc. is fine, but benching Monty for Craycraft in preparation for next year is, IMO, not a good idea. The issue has been pass rush and coverage, not QB play anyway.
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After losing to Butler I have lost all enthusiasm. Went to the WVU game last week, stayed the night and had a great time. But I have no interest in Valpo and will not go to the game.
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After losing to Butler I have lost all enthusiasm. Went to the WVU game last week, stayed the night and had a great time. But I have no interest in Valpo and will not go to the game.
In all honesty, I have no interest in Valpo but am going to support the program and the kids. That Butler fiasco really disappointed me, but would have been much worse for the players. I've supported some bad teams over the years, this one has had a huge disappointing loss, no doubt, but WVU has a very good team and that loss concerns me much less. Farrar and VanGoder along with McCaster and Turner give me reason to be optimistic on the offensive side. Still need a pass rush on the D side. Me? I'm moving somebody like Richmond to LB and blitz coming off the bus. WVU receivers are NFL good, but our DB's can't hold up if no pressure. Whatever it takes to get pressure on the QB.
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How can you even conceivably say that you have no interest in Valpo, against a team that lost to Butler? If you are looking for a competitive game, this seems to be it. Furthermore, if things do not improve, this will the the only game we can win this season and that is far from certain. From a location perspective; do you have any more interest in a team from the Dakota's? I certainly do not.
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Well normally I would be more interested in playing a team from the Dakotas... But not this year because I am not sure we will be very competitive in such a game.
As to the other comment, while I understand what you're trying to do IAA (get people to not give up on the team), I can't help but say I think it is a very big problem if a game against valpo is being called a competitive game for the team.
Not saying not to respect everyone we play but if this game is competitive rather than showing an improvement and being a blowout, you can kiss the fan base goodbye this season.
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How can you even conceivably say that you have no interest in Valpo, against a team that lost to Butler? If you are looking for a competitive game, this seems to be it. Furthermore, if things do not improve, this will the the only game we can win this season and that is far from certain. From a location perspective; do you have any more interest in a team from the Dakota's? I certainly do not.
Boy, we go from 6 to 8 wins and in the last 7 minutes of the Butler game we go to "maybe 1 win".
A lot of black and white in a world that is actually pretty gray!
Number 5 Michigan lost to App. State which was the college "upset of the century" and they still one 8 regular season games and beat Florida in a bowl game.
I have no interest in Valpo because I don't know them at all and don't care to learn and we are going to spank them soundly. I'd rather play Slippery Rock. I know where they are at least.
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The team (Valpo) was in the same conference as YSU for over 15-years (2 conferences) and you know Slippery Rock better? I guess you do not follow any other YSU sports? I would rather play Valpo and Butler, because these teams were in the HL when these games were scheduled.
My comment on the team stands until I see a real YSU football team take the field. We lost to Butler. There is no justification, no excuse, never should have happened and there is nothing that Bo can ever do (including national titles) that can ever make up for it. SO how can I now expect any more over Valpo? If you say it is a learning curve; sorry that excuse ends opening day. This team has not proven to me that they can defeat anyone. So until they do ... I have actively supported this team since 1978 (with my dad much before that even) and will do so for the rest of my life; but I call it as I see it.
BTW: Michigan's loss to Appy State was just as embarrassing and Carr knew his career ended when the clock hit zero. UM was not going to just fire their second-leading (modern era) coach. The entire country knew he had 11-more games left. You know what? As great of a coach as Carr was (far better than anyone UM has had since, including the clown they have now) ... to the college football fans, he will forever be nothing more than the coach that lost to D-II team. (D-II is intentional).
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The team (Valpo) was in the same conference as YSU for over 15-years (2 conferences) and you know Slippery Rock better? I guess you do not follow any other YSU sports? I would rather play Valpo and Butler, because these teams were in the HL when these games were scheduled.
My comment on the team stands until I see a real YSU football team take the field. We lost to Butler. There is no justification, no excuse, never should have happened and there is nothing that Bo can ever do (including national titles) that can ever make up for it. SO how can I now expect any more over Valpo? If you say it is a learning curve; sorry that excuse ends opening day. This team has not proven to me that they can defeat anyone. So until they do ... I have actively supported this team since 1978 (with my dad much before that even) and will do so for the rest of my life; but I call it as I see it.
BTW: Michigan's loss to Appy State was just as embarrassing and Carr knew his career ended when the clock hit zero. UM was not going to just fire their second-leading (modern era) coach. The entire country knew he had 11-more games left. You know what? As great of a coach as Carr was (far better than anyone UM has had since, including the clown they have now) ... to the college football fans, he will forever be nothing more than the coach that lost to D-II team. (D-II is intentional).
Yeah... I guarantee you if Lloyd Carr goes on to beat Ohio state and wins a major bowl game that year his career wouldn’t have been over.
And how in god’s name does winning a title not make up for the Butler game??? The whole point of the season is to win a championship not avoid embarrassing losses. These pre conference games are the least important games of the season. The conference schedule is what truly matters.
Winning Fixes everything. An MVFC championship would make up for the Butler loss in my book.
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Give me a national championship and Butler is completely erased from my mind lol.
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No team that loses to a non-scholarship team or a lower level team win win the title. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. We have no chance to win anything. However, as I said earlier, we can get better but someone needs to teach the current secondary coach how to coach
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The team (Valpo) was in the same conference as YSU for over 15-years (2 conferences) and you know Slippery Rock better? I guess you do not follow any other YSU sports? I would rather play Valpo and Butler, because these teams were in the HL when these games were scheduled.
My comment on the team stands until I see a real YSU football team take the field. We lost to Butler. There is no justification, no excuse, never should have happened and there is nothing that Bo can ever do (including national titles) that can ever make up for it. SO how can I now expect any more over Valpo? If you say it is a learning curve; sorry that excuse ends opening day. This team has not proven to me that they can defeat anyone. So until they do ... I have actively supported this team since 1978 (with my dad much before that even) and will do so for the rest of my life; but I call it as I see it.
BTW: Michigan's loss to Appy State was just as embarrassing and Carr knew his career ended when the clock hit zero. UM was not going to just fire their second-leading (modern era) coach. The entire country knew he had 11-more games left. You know what? As great of a coach as Carr was (far better than anyone UM has had since, including the clown they have now) ... to the college football fans, he will forever be nothing more than the coach that lost to D-II team. (D-II is intentional).
Yeah... I guarantee you if Lloyd Carr goes on to beat Ohio state and wins a major bowl game that year his career wouldn’t have been over.
And how in god’s name does winning a title not make up for the Butler game??? The whole point of the season is to win a championship not avoid embarrassing losses. These pre conference games are the least important games of the season. The conference schedule is what truly matters.
Winning Fixes everything. An MVFC championship would make up for the Butler loss in my book.
Have to disagree on Carr. H was done that day. He still had a decent year, but he was retiring, resigning, or being dismissed at year end. 0-5 against Tressel did not help.
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No team that loses to a non-scholarship team or a lower level team win win the title. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. We have no chance to win anything. However, as I said earlier, we can get better but someone needs to teach the current secondary coach how to coach
Yes but that’s not the point. IAA said nothing, including championships, can make up for the loss. If somehow despite the loss we win a title. I think it would make up for it.
Also San Diego, the pioneer league’s best team is non scholarship and won in the first round of the playoffs in 2016 and 2017... so non scholarship teams can sometimes be good enough to beat even playoff caliber scholarship programs. Sure, Butler is not San Diego, but we lost to another college football team... it happens
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Nothing can erase the stain on the reputation of YSU football that the loss to Butler has made. That much is true.
But that does NOT mean the "season is over". I watch MLB quite often and really enjoy the Tribe games, but even the best baseball teams lose 50-60 games a season. You don't have to go 12-0 to enjoy the games. We have many good young kids that will develop during the season. Some will become good football players, most will become good teachers, engineers, etc. This is just a game. For me, it is the camaraderie of the tailgate parties, the great Youngstown weather (mostly true) and just the fun and excitement of the game. Sure it's more fun to win, but it isn't the only thing.
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First do I want the season to be over. Absolutely not. But I am a realist. When I looked at the roster for this year there was a lot of question marks. We have a good player here and there and if you look from the middle that is where you build the team. The DL is vastly lacks talent and depth the offensive line still is a question mark, I feel the love affair for a certain lb on this staff is like the situation we had with a certain corner safety on the previous staff. Heart and smarts is all good but if you don’t pass the eye test physically in D1 ball it’s not a recipe for success. Then we still dont have the man at QB. For whatever reason since Pelini been hear we can’t figure it out. Then we lost both top assistants. Instead of getting quality hires we stayed in house. So when you stir it up I see a team that has no chance to make the playoffs. This is a 4 or 5 win team maybe 6 if lucky. Since the catch at Eastern Washington we have had no luck. The recipe for the Butler defeat was their and it happened. Let’s hope we have learned and find a way to be successful again.
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First do I want the season to be over. Absolutely not. But I am a realist. When I looked at the roster for this year there was a lot of question marks. We have a good player gear and there and if you look from the middle that is where you build the team. The DL is vastly lacks talent and depth the offensive line still is a question mark, I feel the love affair for a certain lb on this staff is like the situation we had with a certain corner safety on the previous staff. Heart and smarts is all good but if you don’t pass the eye test physically in D1 ball it’s not a recipe for success. Then we still dont have the man at QB. For whatever reason since Pelini been hear we can’t figure it out. Then we lost both top assistants. Instead of getting quality hires we stayed in house. So when you stir it up I see a team that has no chance to make the playoffs. This is a 4 or 5 win team maybe 6 if lucky. Since the catch at Eastern Washington we have had no luck. The recipe for the Butler defeat was their and it happened. Let’s hope we have learned and find a way to be successful again.
Nice post. Very accurate.
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First do I want the season to be over. Absolutely not. But I am a realist. When I looked at the roster for this year there was a lot of question marks. We have a good player gear and there and if you look from the middle that is where you build the team. The DL is vastly lacks talent and depth the offensive line still is a question mark, I feel the love affair for a certain lb on this staff is like the situation we had with a certain corner safety on the previous staff. Heart and smarts is all good but if you don’t pass the eye test physically in D1 ball it’s not a recipe for success. Then we still dont have the man at QB. For whatever reason since Pelini been hear we can’t figure it out. Then we lost both top assistants. Instead of getting quality hires we stayed in house. So when you stir it up I see a team that has no chance to make the playoffs. This is a 4 or 5 win team maybe 6 if lucky. Since the catch at Eastern Washington we have had no luck. The recipe for the Butler defeat was their and it happened. Let’s hope we have learned and find a way to be successful again.
Nice post. Very accurate.
Ditto to 1AA's comment. hard to argue with any of YSUGO's post.
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Ed Muransky needs to stop talking about how great the OL is and other parts of the team. Who the hell knows what game he is watching but he is so off base it is sickening.
We have no identity on offense. We have no pass rush on defense and couldn't cover a Pop Warner kid in the secondary. The OL is a sieve and gets no push. What is the game plan on offense, are we a run-first team? It looks so random and uncoordinated. D'Alisio has the secondary playing like he did when he was back there......couldn't cover a stationary wall with paint. Carl Pelini's loss is evident. It is obvious that things are being held together with duct tape and shoe strings.
Very frustrating to watch. I had to shut it off. We are an embarrassment right now and the Dakota teams are licking their chops. We won't be competitive.
I found it interesting that in one of the press conferences it was mentioned that many kids were missing practice due to class scheduling. Has anyone ever heard of this before? I can see that this could be a problem, but I would expect it to be the same for every team in college football. It sounds like some excuse that would come out of the University of Michigan. They are masters at giving excuses when they lose and hyping
their undeserved teams when they are average. WTF
Meanwhile NDSU rolls in the Dakota Marker game and their highlights make College Football Final. We make a Sports Illistrated exclusive article for the worst loss in college football history for the loss to non-scholarship Butler. How would you like to have that lowlight in your resume? Michigan can't escape their loss to App State, but App State had a scholarship gap of 22. Our gap with Butler was 63? This is the comparison being made....that our loss was worse. Something needs to change.
I wanted to believe the hype machine, but the eye test tells me we may win one more game if we are lucky. The Dakota teams are going to embarrass us (as well as UNI).
I say play the freshman and the young QB. Get them ahead for next year. Season is over. Hire qualified coaches, and go recruit now. We need a lot of help.
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The season was over before it started. The injuries decimated an already pretty below average defense. O-Coordinator is in over his head. It's a mess. Bo has his good ole boys coaching with him and guys with little to no experience like this is D5 high school football. Not good....
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The season was over before it started. The injuries decimated an already pretty below average defense. O-Coordinator is in over his head. It's a mess. Bo has his good ole boys coaching with him and guys with little to no experience like this is D5 high school football. Not good....
I wonder what the University President thinks about all this? I would have loved to watch that game with him.
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The season was over before it started. The injuries decimated an already pretty below average defense. O-Coordinator is in over his head. It's a mess. Bo has his good ole boys coaching with him and guys with little to no experience like this is D5 high school football. Not good....
I wonder what the University President thinks about all this? I would have loved to watch that game with him.
He probably would like to put on his vest and march down to the sideline.
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First of all, I do not see JT losing too much sleep. He has "bigger fish to fry". It will be nice to go to a game, get out my program and take notes on the players and get some photos. Actually enjoy the game. Makes our recruiting time posts more meaningful.
If Muransky handed out props to the oline again ...he is certainly going to lose any credibility. I watched the game, so I got the WIU announcers. Folks WIU was not a good team, so we cold be in trouble. I tell you what though, I like this new head coach for the leathernecks, a couple of dirty players still hanging around. They are young and still played very tight, so may win more games than I think. Lack of depth will keep them out of the top-4.
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The defense is piss poor. Season is over. Can't wait to see attendance numbers later in the year.
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The defense is piss poor. Season is over. Can't wait to see attendance numbers later in the year.
I don't think you have to wait till later in the year. We will find out this Saturday especially if you don't count the students in the cheap seats for the home coming.
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Hey the playoffs just start now!!! Win them all and we are in! :afro:
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The football program has been on fumes since the EW win in the playoffs. Makes me think if Hunter Wells had not came back there wouldn’t even be that. Not going to beat a dead horse. We are a dead horse. Butler was the wake up call. Pelini should not be retained. The local parochial coach experiment has been a colossal failure we can’t forget Wolford. Find a guy that can recruit and relate to the college athlete of today. Use the Bison model as an example on what a football should be and look and act like. What has been going down there at Wick Avenue is becoming nauseating.
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https://youtu.be/DobM_eG2pXc This sounds like a broken record. Same thing over and over..again and again. So the players do everything correct in practice , but not during the games? This makes zero sense to me
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I really have no words for how disgusted I am with the whole program.
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Hope that the players dont read this board
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Hope that the players dont read this board
I wish someone within the program would because something has to change.
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And they wonder why there is no interest. We are turning into the Kent State of the FBS.
The players should look up and see those championship banners and be motivated. Or maybe that was so long ago they can't relate.
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I see 4 factors all contributing to the terrible pass defense displayed so far.
Carl leaving
McNutt's suspension
Injuries to Hegedus (3rd leading tackler last season) and Reed (best pass rusher)
No one stepping up to replace Powell (top tackler), Wright (4th in tackles), Chapman (1st in tackles for loss), Mesier (8th in tackles) and Nicoe-Hurst (10th in tackles).
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By the end of this season Eric Wolford's 7 and 8 win seasons will be looking really good to me. Wolf should have never been fired in the first place. Shane Montgomery leaving this year has been a major blow to the program. Both were good coaches and recruiters. Some of the staff we have now are not qualified to do either at the Division 1 level
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This is the mess that Bo wanted/created with his good ole Mooney/Youngstown connections.
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“They just look at you — and I feel for them. No young man wants to go out there wanting to make a mistake and it kills them,” Pelini said. “We had one play where a guy came off the field and I said to him ‘did you hear the call?’ He said yes. ‘Did you hear the check?’ Yes. I ask what he’s supposed to do and he reiterates to me what’s supposed to happen. ‘Why didn’t you?’ I don’t know.
Yikes....
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Several excellent posts. As for firing Pelini, if we go 3-8,4-7 it should be a consideration. However, Strollo is terrified of Bo, and so is everyone in the athletic department, they don't have the you know what to make that happen. Pelini has said publicly that he has no interest in recruiting, and it is showing, our talent is in the bottom half of the league.
Pelini so clueless that he didn't see this, he said all summer this would be a good team and a playoff team, delusional. His arrogance got in the way of bringing in some experience on the staff when Carl and Shane left. In some circles, Pelini seems to get a pass as the head coach, but this is all on him. it's his 4th year and the program is going backwards.
YSU football is irrelevant.
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YSU is definitely irrelevant. I was at the Toledo vs Miami game a few weeks ago. Man they have a great student section and I really like their stadium. YSU should have built something like that small and cozy and loud.
Unfortunately people in Youngstown don't give a sh*t about YSU sports.
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This is the mess that Bo wanted/created with his good ole Mooney/Youngstown connections.
why would Bo want this mess? The football program is a reflection of Bo and his ability. You are saying that it is his desire to look bad. ?
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Several excellent posts. As for firing Pelini, if we go 3-8,4-7 it should be a consideration. However, Strollo is terrified of Bo, and so is everyone in the athletic department, they don't have the you know what to make that happen.
Why would they be terrified of Bo?
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This is the mess that Bo wanted/created with his good ole Mooney/Youngstown connections.
why would Bo want this mess? The football program is a reflection of Bo and his ability. You are saying that it is his desire to look bad. ?
By doing it his way with his people, it is now a mess. I don't think Bo cares what anyone thinks about the way he does things. Kudos to him.
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Chief you bring up a valid point. With three former assistants from his Nebraska staff and several local players awarded scholarships over the years that never held another division 1 offer makes you wonder