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Starts today folks. A little early but excitement is in the air.
Kids who have joined us early and can participate:
QB: VanGorder
WR: Mallory and Farrar
TE: Hawkins
OL: Devon Robinson
LB: Griffin Hoak
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Anyone know when the first scrimmage is?
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Did we lose anyone?
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Did we lose anyone?
Only ones not on the spring roster that saw regular playing time last year are Isiah Scott and Jeff Rotheram. Anyone know if these guys are done, or just not participating in spring drills?
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Did we lose anyone?
Only ones not on the spring roster that saw regular playing time last year are Isiah Scott and Jeff Rotheram. Anyone know if these guys are done, or just not participating in spring drills?
I haven't a clue, but both came to YSU with reps much brighter than their performance so far, and both play positions that have been HIGHLY recruited this class?
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Did we lose anyone?
Only ones not on the spring roster that saw regular playing time last year are Isiah Scott and Jeff Rotheram. Anyone know if these guys are done, or just not participating in spring drills?
I haven't a clue, but both came to YSU with reps much brighter than their performance so far, and both play positions that have been HIGHLY recruited this class?
I asked myself the same question when I read the Vindy or Trib special article on the team couple of weeks ago. In the WR position, a list of receivers was mentioned. Scott was not listed.
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Did we lose anyone?
Nobody of importance.
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Finally an article up on Vindy about the football team with a new reporter I've never heard of before ? The QB situation will be interesting. I think VanGorder still wins it.
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Finally an article up on Vindy about the football team with a new reporter I've never heard of before ? The QB situation will be interesting. I think VanGorder still wins it.
Vindy goes from negative coverage on most things YSU, to no coverage for spring football. This is about time!
There is a BOB ETTINGER that writes for the Warren Tribune. I am HUGE NCIS fan and so obviously I go with Gibb's rule #39 "There is no such thing as coincidence." Doesn't seem likely there are 2 Bob Ettinger's writing, one for each paper?
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I noticed both of those recent Vindy staff changes Chief ...Brian DZENIS and Bob Ettinger. It is nice to see what looks like expanded coverage. I am heading up to watch some practices and will report in. I can see VanGorder taking the reigns if the goal is to get to Craycraft a year earlier. I know that both Pelini and Montgomery are (were) high on Craycraft. However, I still think Mays has earned it and he is a good QB. He has increased his mobility, but clearly both Craycraft and VanGorder seem a bit more mobile. However, I really feel that with 2 more healthy bodies up front, Mays can take this team as far as anyone else. He works equally well back or under center. Size is good. Knowledge has really improved over his 5 or 6 games last year.
That being said, new head on offense can make a big difference, but I do not see big changes on offense, what we have had works at just over 35ppg average. It looks like we have two coordinators on offense, with Crist at OC and coach Carm is run-game coordinator. I also see where Chris Parry (from McKinley) is a volunteer coach. I wonder what he has been doing over the last few years, did he play any college ball?
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It is nice to see what looks like expanded coverage.
However, I still think Mays has earned it and he is a good QB. He has increased his mobility, but clearly both Craycraft and VanGorder seem a bit more mobile. However, I really feel that with 2 more healthy bodies up front, Mays can take this team as far as anyone else. He works equally well back or under center. Size is good. Knowledge has really improved over his 5 or 6 games last year.
That being said, new head on offense can make a big difference, but I do not see big changes on offense, what we have had works at just over 35ppg average. It looks like we have two coordinators on offense, with Crist at OC and coach Carm is run-game coordinator. I also see where Chris Parry (from McKinley) is a volunteer coach. I wonder what he has been doing over the last few years, did he play any college ball?
Expanded coverage? You've noticed expanded coverage? IMO I've seen less than past years, not more.
1AA, I hate your "he's earned it." What he has earned is the right to compete for the job. Both Montgomery and Nate have talked about competing, so Mays is getting what he "earned," the opportunity to compete.
You talk about not much change on offense, but I have felt since Bo's arrival there was a difference in approach from Montgomery and Pelini. Neither was right, neither was wrong, but they didn't match. Bo wanted multi threat QB and Shane wanted a drop back guy. I certainly HOPE we have a change so that both Crist and Pelini are synced up! Frankly the guy that seems on the outside is Craycraft. Both Monty and Nate are run/pass threats as is Cunningham next year (remember VanGorder is a "one and done" guy) Joe is the classic drop back guy that Montgomery recruited last year. He is the guy I see losing playing time based on style.
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I am talking about having more than one beat reporter ...that is expanded coverage.
We do not have a true running qb on the roster. These are pro-style guys For now, we need to wait and see what Crist brings to the table, but I do not see that much change coming on offense. Bo watched our QBs go down just like the rest of us ...he will not make the same mistake again. I hope we get more depth up front and add a more versatile back with some hands.
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I am talking about having more than one beat reporter ...that is expanded coverage.
We do not have a true running qb on the roster. These are pro-style guys For now, we need to wait and see what Crist brings to the table, but I do not see that much change coming on offense. Bo watched our QBs go down just like the rest of us ...he will not make the same mistake again. I hope we get more depth up front and add a more versatile back with some hands.
No, coverage is coverage, staffing is staffing. If they have expanded staffing, in theory, they could also provide expanded coverage. They haven't done that, so I disagree, an apparent addition to staffing so far has resulted in no expanded coverage!
You are right, we don't have a "running" QB on the roster, but we do have 3 guys with a run/pass option capability, and that is what Bo wants and Monty didn't. There are just as many QB's hurt in the pocket as there are running the ball. I don't think the threat of injury has anything to do with selection of which style of offense we are going to run. Ricky Davis was injury prone, but the shoulder to Wells was just football. I don't seen any change is Bo so he "won't make that mistake again."
My vote for newcomer of the year is Braxton Chapman. I have loved: Cook, Ruiz, Webb, McCaster, Turner etc. but they are all 195# "scatbacks". I am really looking forward to a 225# power back. I don't think Farrell threw him a pass, so we have no idea about hands, but Turner can catch, so that's your 3rd down guy.
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Mays is more of a runner than a passer.
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Mays is more of a runner than a passer.
That being said, his passing numbers were pretty good, 66% completion percentage 4 to 1 TDs to INTs
And a QB rating higher than Wells. He does the one thing most young QBs do. Check the first option; open, throw; not open tuck and run. If he can be convinced to look at the TE or TB for a quick second option, he could be quite adequate at QB. With our TEs and Turner on 3rd down, he has some pretty good weapons to throw outlet passes to. We don't have any film of Monty for the last 4 years, but his HS tape looks much the same as Mays. Frankly they are enough alike I think we are going to have to check numbers to know who is on the field.
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We lost games because of Mays inability to see and read plays and make throws and incompetent OC. Let's hope things are turned around this year.
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We lost games because of Mays inability to see and read plays and make throws and incompetent OC. Let's hope things are turned around this year.
If you list all the reasons we lost games, the QB is pretty much at the bottom of the list ... and that only because of the inconsistency created; not ability. Mays made drastic improvements last year under the tutelage of a terrific OC. We can only hope Crist picked up a few things.
Here are a few reasons that everyone saw:
No larger deep-visioned TB
No depth up front
Carl went back to his infamous creeping secondary
Bo's focus on local-first recruiting, which is why we still have to bring in so many JUCO's. He only get's one more year, then I better start seeing some depth.
You just want to continue trashing the name Montgomery, but stats are open to anyone that wishes to see them and if read there is not a sane person in the house that would not want Montgomery back. Then we can talk about why we were not able to replace him.
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You can certainly count on a few things on this blog. Chief trashing Montgomery and 1AA rushing to his defense. Monty here or not here, with QB or without QB, score 45 and give up 48, it doesn't make any difference, according to chief it's all Shane's fault. On the other hand, we have had some games when I thought they put all the plays on slips of paper, dropped them in a helmet and drew each play 100% at random, but according to 1AA, Monty never made a bad call.
I'm glad Montgomery is gone just to stop the same old bickering over and over and over!
If there was a unit that cost us a playoff spot and another run at a championship, it was the OL. Last year we recruited 3 OL, this year, with 3 inside returning starters and both tackle backups returning (although it appears Jeff Rotheram is MIA?) , we recruited 1 freshman and 3 JUCO transfers. THEY know where this problem is too! For me, the weakness in the coaching staff it with Carmen Bricillo and the OL. Everybody wants to take shots at Monty, or Pelini Bo and or Carl etc, but in 9 years Bricillo has produced 1, just one 1st team MVFC OT. That was Justin Spencer in 2017 and I though he played significantly less effectively in 2017 than 2016. I also though Vitas Hrynkiewicz and guard Gavin Wiggins went backward in 2017 from 2016. We give Bricillo credit for recruiting and JUCO recruiting, it is about time he show something on the field.
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On the bright side chief, you may still have a "Montgomery" to blame for all YSU offensive woes this season!
Has anybody been to practice to provide some inside into the Mays, vs VanGorder battle?
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They've been splitting reps with 1st team. In other news, I believe Richmond is going to be a starter at DE next year with Reed. He's a beast.
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They've been splitting reps with 1st team. In other news, I believe Richmond is going to be a starter at DE next year with Reed. He's a beast.
That is the way to handle the reps if it is an honest competition. Looking forward to 1AA's days in practice for feedback on who looks the best, noting that who looks best in Spring Ball means virtually NOTHING!
I believe what you say about Richmond, unfortunately, maybe in more ways that one!
Frankly you need at LEAST a 3 man rotation at DE and Johnson is solid too. More important is who plays 3rd down! I'm also looking forward to seeing RFr Cook at DE. In Rivals I believe he is the highest rated Pelini recruit since coming to YSU.
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They've been splitting reps with 1st team. In other news, I believe Richmond is going to be a starter at DE next year with Reed. He's a beast.
That is the way to handle the reps if it is an honest competition. Looking forward to 1AA's days in practice for feedback on who looks the best, noting that who looks best in Spring Ball means virtually NOTHING!
I believe what you say about Richmond, unfortunately, maybe in more ways that one!
Frankly you need at LEAST a 3 man rotation at DE and Johnson is solid too. More important is who plays 3rd down! I'm also looking forward to seeing RFr Cook at DE. In Rivals I believe he is the highest rated Pelini recruit since coming to YSU.
Cook was a three star recruit. He was ranked at .80 from 247
Pollock was a three star recruit. He transferred in from Rutgers. He was ranked at .83 from 247
I’m sure there are guys ranked higher than those 2.
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Competition is very high this year. Lots of talented kids fighting for starting spots. This team has real good depth.
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They've been splitting reps with 1st team. In other news, I believe Richmond is going to be a starter at DE next year with Reed. He's a beast.
That is the way to handle the reps if it is an honest competition. Looking forward to 1AA's days in practice for feedback on who looks the best, noting that who looks best in Spring Ball means virtually NOTHING!
I believe what you say about Richmond, unfortunately, maybe in more ways that one!
Frankly you need at LEAST a 3 man rotation at DE and Johnson is solid too. More important is who plays 3rd down! I'm also looking forward to seeing RFr Cook at DE. In Rivals I believe he is the highest rated Pelini recruit since coming to YSU.
Cook was a three star recruit. He was ranked at .80 from 247
Pollock was a three star recruit. He transferred in from Rutgers. He was ranked at .83 from 247
I’m sure there are guys ranked higher than those 2.
In terms of HS recruits, I think Cook is Pelini's #1 Pollock was not a YSU HS recruit, neither was Reed, Alexander or Moss.
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Pollock has announced he is retiring from football with a medical hardship due to several torn hamstrings. Unfortunate for the young man.
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Pollock has announced he is retiring from football with a medical hardship due to several torn hamstrings. Unfortunate for the young man.
Ditto that.
Never had a good feeling about this kid for some reason. Premonition? Who knows. Would have liked to see both he and the RB, Ryan Moore play. Came to YSU with great hopes and injuries cut them down before every contributing on the field. Football is a TOUGH sport.
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Pollock has announced he is retiring from football with a medical hardship due to several torn hamstrings. Unfortunate for the young man.
Ditto that.
Never had a good feeling about this kid for some reason. Premonition? Who knows. Would have liked to see both he and the RB, Ryan Moore play. Came to YSU with great hopes and injuries cut them down before every contributing on the field. Football is a TOUGH sport.
He came from a highly decorated high school in Florida. Was all state there and numerous D1 offers. Saw him play live in Dallas Texas against a team from Canada a few years ago. The kid was a beast. It’s a shame that his body let him down. I don’t see him walking away from the game and could end up coaching before his time is finished at YSU. God Bless him and thank you for representing YSU
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Pollock has announced he is retiring from football with a medical hardship due to several torn hamstrings. Unfortunate for the young man.
Tough break. Good luck to him in the future.
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1AA, when are you visiting spring practice? I'm I correct in thinking we are not playing a spring game?
I look forward to your 'reporting' from practice. I don't believe the JUCO OTs are here yet, so there won't be much there, but WR are practicing I believe and the Montgomery - Nathan battle should be in full swing.
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1AA, when are you visiting spring practice? I'm I correct in thinking we are not playing a spring game?
I look forward to your 'reporting' from practice. I don't believe the JUCO OTs are here yet, so there won't be much there, but WR are practicing I believe and the Montgomery - Nathan battle should be in full swing.
My mother called me and said that a letter came to sign up for the spring tailgate pregame, so I called the Penguin Club and left a voicemail. I also called the ticket office and she said she has not been told anything about it. So I now wonder myself about the party and the spring game. I think we will have at least once major scrimmage though. I am going up tonight.
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1AA, when are you visiting spring practice? I'm I correct in thinking we are not playing a spring game?
I look forward to your 'reporting' from practice. I don't believe the JUCO OTs are here yet, so there won't be much there, but WR are practicing I believe and the Montgomery - Nathan battle should be in full swing.
My mother called me and said that a letter came to sign up for the spring tailgate pregame, so I called the Penguin Club and left a voicemail. I also called the ticket office and she said she has not been told anything about it. So I now wonder myself about the party and the spring game. I think we will have at least once major scrimmage though. I am going up tonight.
Don’t bother going tonight. They are off till Sunday. From what I saw on Wednesday. The kid Farrer is the real deal and the kid from ND will win the QB battle
Thanks for the update Ice. I was not thinking the T&F championships will be Saturday. I hope we do not go with a 1-year guy at QB.
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No Spring game from what I hear. QB from ND playing really well. Still some concern about offensive linemen. Hoping to find a transfer.
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O-Line is going to be an issue. Not sure the transfers will help either.
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If it an issue to time for Offensive line coach to be let go. So is it a recruiting issue or a coaching issue.
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If it an issue to time for Offensive line coach to be let go. So is it a recruiting issue or a coaching issue.
Wolford was a good recruiter and was an O-Line coach for awhile so a lot of our good prospects came from him. When he left, the talent level dropped off.
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VanGorder will be the starter. He didn't come here to sit. Farrar, Mallory, Braswell and St. Surin will probably be your WR's who see the most playing time. Hawkins and Durkin at TE. OL needs a ton of work from what I hear.
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Well if we are going with a 1-year guy, at QB, then it is what it is. Not very happy about it, but I am not the coach. I was very upset with coach Carm, our line depth, last year. However, we have been stellar up front for quite a while so I am the kind of guy that would rather use him, to fix the problem, than lose him. However I will not be so kind if we continue to have issues in 2018. I will wait and see.
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No Spring game from what I hear. QB from ND playing really well. Still some concern about offensive linemen. Hoping to find a transfer.
Don't we have a couple JUCO guys that aren't here yet?
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No Spring game from what I hear. QB from ND playing really well. Still some concern about offensive linemen. Hoping to find a transfer.
Don't we have a couple JUCO guys that aren't here yet?
Finamore and Yoboue aren't here.
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No Spring game from what I hear. QB from ND playing really well. Still some concern about offensive linemen. Hoping to find a transfer.
Don't we have a couple JUCO guys that aren't here yet?
Finamore and Yoboue aren't here.
Your concern about the OL mimics mine. I think this team is a contender with either QB, IF the OL jells and plays effectively. Tackles are a huge concern, and we don't know if either Finamore or Yoboue can play. They are BIG enough, that's for sure, but that is far from the only question.
Jeff Rotherman leaving the program (nobody has mentioned why, injury etc?) is a blow no matter what. We are going to be VERY thin at OT, regardless.
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From what I'm hearing and seeing in practice, VanGorder is the man at QB. Much better thrower of the football than Mays. Looks pretty good so far.
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From what I'm hearing and seeing in practice, VanGorder is the man at QB. Much better thrower of the football than Mays. Looks pretty good so far.
only problem with Montgomery is "one and done."
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From what I'm hearing and seeing in practice, VanGorder is the man at QB. Much better thrower of the football than Mays. Looks pretty good so far.
I only saw a bit of practice, so I will go back if not this weekend, the following. I may take a vacation day and catch that scrimmage Friday. VanGorder seems to have the ability to throw against the grain, which does seem to fit our running plan. Distance seems about equal, but that extra power while running usually translates to accuracy, which would give the edge to VanGorder. Again. Neither of thes guys are runners. I am not a fan of a 1-year guy though. We have been much less complex on offense over the past 2-years, so I guess a new QB would not be too bad. There seems to be a lots of bodies up front on O, but that does not mean they can play. 3 of them are very, very tall, I need to write down numbers. Reall nice punters thsi year, nuch like we had 2-years ago with Bo's first year. Again it does not translate yet, but the ability is there.
I think they have a lot of plans for Hawkins (the OSU guy). He throws the ball further than the QB's I am told. Bryant out of GA looks good. He does have good size for his height; would match well with that Anderson from Mooney, very similar builds and they both reach inside to tackle (which I like when you are pass covering). I still like Heggedus as well.
Does anyone know much about Hall at CB? They had weird numbers on, but if I have him right, he looks awesome; yet only saw special teams play last year. Also what about Hewlett. Are we going to see him on O or D? Says he is 45, which was lining up at Xback when I was watching. Sure does not look 248lbs, but could be solid.
Other notes that I have are: 5-guys at safety, larger group at receiver and smaller group at TE.
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Bryant runs like a strong side safety, and has size like a strong side safety, but is pretty small for LB in the MVFC. That's my guess as to why he was used exclusively on special teams last year. Kid has a real nose for the football and created a lot of fumbles in HS. Hope they find a way to get him on the field some, we need playmakers on "both sides of the ball" (quote is my tribute to the worst announcer in all of sports, Campy Russell)
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Love the local coverage we have for the football program lol.....
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Love the local coverage we have for the football program lol.....
It's been just a bit underwhelming, hasn't it? The vindy did post 5 photos the other day. one of our coach, a couple of the kentucky coach and the former oklahoma coach and one of ONE OF OUR PLAYERS! (Connor Sharp)
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Very interested in how Braxton Chapman looks at TB. If anybody has any feedback, I would be grateful.
Thanks
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Very interested in how Braxton Chapman looks at TB. If anybody has any feedback, I would be grateful.
Thanks
He's in the mix but it's going to be McCaster and Turner again as the main backs.
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Unless we build depth and get some horses on Oline it will be another 6-5 season. Very disappointed we are still not making that priority#1.
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Unless we build depth and get some horses on Oline it will be another 6-5 season. Very disappointed we are still not making that priority#1.
We did go out a sign a couple of JUCO guys instead of HS guys that would probably redshirt a year anyway. I did a quick social media check on Jeff Rotheram and found current posts and tweets, but nothing about football other than he still lists himself as a YSU player. Not sure how current his profile is. Wonder what is up?
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2 articles from the Vindy:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2018/mar/01/ysu-football-dbs-duo-expect-to-make-more/
http://www.vindy.com/news/2018/mar/03/penguins-receivers-are-mostly-new-guys/
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2 articles from the Vindy:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2018/mar/01/ysu-football-dbs-duo-expect-to-make-more/
http://www.vindy.com/news/2018/mar/03/penguins-receivers-are-mostly-new-guys/
Two nice articles, Thanks Vindy!
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Spring ball has wrapped up. They scrimmaged today. VanGorder is the starting QB and head and shoulders above Mays. O-Line is in desperate need of help. Wiggins has been out with injury but regardless, they need some work.
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Spring ball has wrapped up. They scrimmaged today. VanGorder is the starting QB and head and shoulders above Mays. O-Line is in desperate need of help. Wiggins has been out with injury but regardless, they need some work.
We’re you there today
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Why no spring game?
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Pelini see’s no value in it.
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Spring ball has wrapped up. They scrimmaged today. VanGorder is the starting QB and head and shoulders above Mays. O-Line is in desperate need of help. Wiggins has been out with injury but regardless, they need some work.
We’re you there today
I will take that as a NO. Otherwise you would have listed Mays injury.
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Spring ball has wrapped up. They scrimmaged today. VanGorder is the starting QB and head and shoulders above Mays. O-Line is in desperate need of help. Wiggins has been out with injury but regardless, they need some work.
We’re you there today
I will take that as a NO. Otherwise you would have listed Mays injury.
I was not there but know he played. Regardless. VanGorder was not brought in here to be the backup QB.
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Is he our second or 3rd QB transfer since the graduation rules changed? I am not one for a 1-year guy at QB, but VanGorder was used in some trick plays and he was a finalist for that Mortell award, which is probably still not anything real, but it does show that VaGorder had respect from others.
Thanks,
Dan
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Pelini see’s no value in it.
This is an issue for me. Spring game is a big deal and should be much bigger. I used to take my daughter to the OSU spring game ...it was free or $5. Now they sell 80k tickets, at a much higher price, as Tressel put a real emphasis on it and that has continued. Without the spring game all I do is question position depth and Bo's recruiting.
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Pelini see’s no value in it.
This is an issue for me. Spring game is a big deal and should be much bigger. I used to take my daughter to the OSU spring game ...it was free or $5. Now they sell 80k tickets, at a much higher price, as Tressel put a real emphasis on it and that has continued. Without the spring game all I do is question position depth and Bo's recruiting.
Bo is right, the spring game is meaningless for football, but JT is right, it is a great time to focus on ticket sales! Bo needs to remember he isn't in the football business, he is in the entertainment business. The spring game could/should be a focal point to use to generate interest in preseason season ticket sales! They are missing the boat from a sports marketing prospective yet again.
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Bo could care less. This is why he likes being here so much. He can just coach football. If he didn't have to talk to the media or do one interview, he would be happy. He is not here to entertain us.
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Bo could care less. This is why he likes being here so much. He can just coach football. If he didn't have to talk to the media or do one interview, he would be happy. He is not here to entertain us.
what you say is very clearly true. But what I said about being in the entertainment business is also true. If YSU football was simply a business, it would be closed. Bo should understand there is significant responsibility to other parts of the job than just coaching. If not, his boss should explain it to him (yeah, right) If you look at price of season tickets between us and the top teams in 1AA and the number of season ticket sales sold between YSU and the top teams, you are literally talking millions of dollars difference in football revenue.
Bo's philosophy of "win and they will come" isn't without validity, but it takes more. It takes marketing and that is YSU's great weakness. I do like the "YSU and Proud" campaign, I wonder if the administration would hire that firm to do sports marketing? We do absolutely -0- and leave millions "on the table" because of it.
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Ytown Chief you nailed it why Bo will never be a big time college coach again. Coaching is just part of the job. Fundraising, stroking boosters, and the media part of it is a big piece of the job. Not only does he not want to do it, he is not good at it as well.
He could be a big time defensive coordinator, but he would have to recruit, and he despises that as well. Let's be honest, if he misses the playoffs this year, that would be 3 of 4 years no playoffs. I am not sure he has done enough as a coach to merit a big time job. Pelini is a pain to deal with. Most schools don't want or need that.
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Ytown Chief you nailed it why Bo will never be a big time college coach again. Coaching is just part of the job. Fundraising, stroking boosters, and the media part of it is a big piece of the job. Not only does he not want to do it, he is not good at it as well.
He could be a big time defensive coordinator, but he would have to recruit, and he despises that as well. Let's be honest, if he misses the playoffs this year, that would be 3 of 4 years no playoffs. I am not sure he has done enough as a coach to merit a big time job. Pelini is a pain to deal with. Most schools don't want or need that.
Yep true. I mean heck the guy was just told not to come back to a local high school HOF event because of the foul language and some of the convos he was having when speaking. Hence why I've been saying all along I believe he sticks around here longer than people think he will. Unless it's for an NFL assistant coach job.
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I think the real proof is our coordinators leaving. If Bo was short-term, both of them would have stayed. However, a title here and Bo does get bigger offers.
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I think the real proof is our coordinators leaving. If Bo was short-term, both of them would have stayed. However, a title here and Bo does get bigger offers.
I think just the opposite it true. If you are a coordinator for lame duck coach and you have an opportunity to get out, you're going to get out. I thought both leaving was the first sign Bo was "one and done" like his QB? (coincidence? I'll have to check with Leroy Jethro Gibbs on that)
Frankly, I think the BG opportunity was a nice step up for Carl and Monty had too many philosophical differences with Bo to go another season. I also think it will be easier for YSU to select EITHER as a replacement for Bo in 1 or 2 years with the additional outside experience. If I were betting and I don't bet, I'd say this is Bo's last year and Carl comes back to replace him.