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Is the upcoming 2018 season Bo's last at YSU? His Nebraska contract expires in Feb. 2019 and his income would go from 150,000 to something like 22,000 per month. I know, money isn't everything, and that's what a ton of guys say, before they take the money every time! Somebody will bring up his daughter and Cardinal Mooney, but the family could stay until she graduates.
Bo has value in the market, no doubt. Nebraska was 27-22 before Bo, 67-27 with him (and never less than 9 wins in a season) and now 19-18 after him. Change the president at Nebraska and even they would want him back!
My choice as a replacement? Carl!
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Is the upcoming 2018 season Bo's last at YSU? His Nebraska contract expires in Feb. 2019 and his income would go from 150,000 to something like 22,000 per month. I know, money isn't everything, and that's what a ton of guys say, before they take the money every time! Somebody will bring up his daughter and Cardinal Mooney, but the family could stay until she graduates.
Bo has value in the market, no doubt. Nebraska was 27-22 before Bo, 67-27 with him (and never less than 9 wins in a season) and now 19-18 after him. Change the president at Nebraska and even they would want him back!
My choice as a replacement? Carl!
Bo had good following in Nebraska. With the AD (who orchestrated Bo's departure) being fried, they might want him back. I just don't think Bo wants to go back. There are few BIG teams which should need new coach: Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Maryland and Rutgers.
Carl is a reasonable choice. Just to get some board members worked up, how about Shane?
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Is the upcoming 2018 season Bo's last at YSU? His Nebraska contract expires in Feb. 2019 and his income would go from 150,000 to something like 22,000 per month. I know, money isn't everything, and that's what a ton of guys say, before they take the money every time! Somebody will bring up his daughter and Cardinal Mooney, but the family could stay until she graduates.
Bo has value in the market, no doubt. Nebraska was 27-22 before Bo, 67-27 with him (and never less than 9 wins in a season) and now 19-18 after him. Change the president at Nebraska and even they would want him back!
My choice as a replacement? Carl!
Bo had good following in Nebraska. With the AD (who orchestrated Bo's departure) being fried, they might want him back. I just don't think Bo wants to go back. There are few BIG teams which should need new coach: Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Maryland and Rutgers.
Carl is a reasonable choice. Just to get some board members worked up, how about Shane?
Good shot ET, I was going to list Shane just for the same reason as you! They'll bite, don't worry. Same as the Strollo crowd HAS to defend his indefensible performance.
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You are all delusional if you think Carl Pelini will ever be a head coach again. if not for Bo, he would be unemployed. Sleeping with co-eds, allegedly, and doing drugs with co-eds, allegedly, is a career ending move for a college football coach, unless your brother is a head a coach.
Shane was a disaster as a head coach at Miami. Jim Tressel is a smart man, he wouldn't turn over the program to either. Also, Bo has failed to make the playoffs in 2 of this 3 seasons here, if next year is not a playoff season, what makes you think he is marketable?
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You are all delusional if you think Carl Pelini will ever be a head coach again. if not for Bo, he would be unemployed. Sleeping with co-eds, allegedly, and doing drugs with co-eds, allegedly, is a career ending move for a college football coach, unless your brother is a head a coach.
Shane was a disaster as a head coach at Miami. Jim Tressel is a smart man, he wouldn't turn over the program to either. Also, Bo has failed to make the playoffs in 2 of this 3 seasons here, if next year is not a playoff season, what makes you think he is marketable?
He's marketable. Look at the Nebraska record before, during, and after Bo. Look at the YSU record for 10 years before Bo and during Bo. Look at Bo's coaching tree. The problem is we are paying next to nothing and we could get outbid by X2 by every single 1A school in the country, and because of the math, just about half of them have losing records. Several making 1,000,000+ have losing records.
If Carl goes with Bo, then it looks like Shane all the way! GO Monty!!
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Bo can go to a major university as a D coordinator and make 4-5 times what we pay him.
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Bo can go to a major university as a D coordinator and make 4-5 times what we pay him.
More like double with only the top 3-5 making 3x what we pay Bo, but your point is taken.
You ask if Bo is marketable? Cinn. is paying that IDIOT Luke Fickel 2 MILLION to go 3-8, beating only Austin Peay, Miami of OH and Tulane, with loses to traditional powers like Temple and East Carolina.
Somebody is going to have to figure something out or its Monty all the way!!
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I always thought Bo would head back to the NFL maybe once his kids are all graduated.
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Agree on Bo and the NFL, but it would have to be a very high position, like DC ...or else it is a very short career move and Bo may not want this. Shane great choice, he will never take it, already turned it down. No possible way on Carl, as 1990 pointed out his flaws; although Bo has pull and Carl has talent. If we lose Carl & we already set the FAU precedent with him, I still say go after Retskis at Rhode Island for DC.
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Monty ???? Hahahahaha
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What's Mangino doing these days.
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What's Mangino doing these days.
He appears to be retired. Guy is a "bit" of a lose cannon, but he can coach football!
On the lose cannon topic. Anybody notice the mellowing on the sideline and interview room of Pelini over the last couple years? He came in as the firebrand we knew from Nebraska, yelling at refs etc. but I don't recall one instance this whole season. Tressel influence?
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Nobody on this staff should be a head coach besides Bo. We'll see what unfolds as the years go on. Let's focus on the off season and next year.
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OK, next year:
Next season comes down to Jayden Cunningham and Braxton Chapman. If they can play as freshman (Chapman will be a redshirt freshman) then we should be pretty good. If not, we are going to be rebuilding. Spencer will be missed on the OL, but overall the group was a disappointment and so we shouldn't have any drop off with a couple new guys, maybe even see improvement. D should be pretty good. Smith and Reed to anchor the line, Armand the LB and Gibson, Smalls and Hegedus as DB's might be our best is many years. For me, with Chapman and McCaster at RB, I'd move Turner to the slot. He is a proven receiver and can move in the open field. I'd figure a way to keep him on the field and get him the ball in space.
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The Kent State job just opened
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The Kent State job just opened
And ? Bo is only leaving for a high profile job in college or the NFL. Hopefully Kent hires Monty.
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I do expect that you will see a former Guin in line for that Kent job. I cannot say that he will get it though.
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What's Mangino doing these days.
He appears to be retired. Guy is a "bit" of a lose cannon, but he can coach football!
On the lose cannon topic. Anybody notice the mellowing on the sideline and interview room of Pelini over the last couple years? He came in as the firebrand we knew from Nebraska, yelling at refs etc. but I don't recall one instance this whole season. Tressel influence?
No he had Ron Strollo on the sidelines to observe for a while. Heck Bo knocked the headset of an assistant about mid-season. He looks and sounds the same to me. :)
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What's Mangino doing these days.
He appears to be retired. Guy is a "bit" of a lose cannon, but he can coach football!
On the lose cannon topic. Anybody notice the mellowing on the sideline and interview room of Pelini over the last couple years? He came in as the firebrand we knew from Nebraska, yelling at refs etc. but I don't recall one instance this whole season. Tressel influence?
No he had Ron Strollo on the sidelines to observe for a while. Heck Bo knocked the headset of an assistant about mid-season. He looks and sounds the same to me. :)
I guess I wasn't specific. I meant Bo Pelini. You must have been watching some Columbus HS coach named Bo.
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Heard a rumor from a reliable source that Robert Morris has interest in SM as a head coach.
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Heard a rumor from a reliable source that Robert Morris has interest in SM as a head coach.
Heard they same. Not sure he would be interested.
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Bo is quite happy here. Shane is not going anywhere. We are hitting the juco colleges hard for a QB. I know they are high on one of the kids we red shirted last year. They are not satisfied going in next year with Mays
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Bo is quite happy here. Shane is not going anywhere. We are hitting the juco colleges hard for a QB. I know they are high on one of the kids we red shirted last year. They are not satisfied going in next year with Mays
I drive in to work every day for 2 weeks listening to ESPN talk about this opening and that opening and who is going to take this and who is going there. Good jobs like Oregon, Texas A&M Fl, Fl St. Tenn. etc. and I know Bo is a better coach than most of the candidates. I can't help but wonder where "quite happy" fits with 150,000 a MONTH vs. 21,000 a month? Somewhere that extra $4,000 a DAY has an effect on people. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it certainly allows you to look for happiness in a lot better places! We've all watched dozens and more people in sports and high profile public positions say how happy they were at a place and then leave for the money. We'll see. I'd love to have Bo for 15 years, but I just don't see it happening.
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He's staying until his 2nd daughter graduates from Mooney in a couple years. After that, who knows.
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I don't see Bo leaving this year and cannot afford to look any further ahead. Coach Shane has had many better offers and held better than RMU. He gets it done on the field and off; in addition to being a well-paid (at our level) "stable administrative cog" during a time where YSU's program has not had much of that. Despite personal indiscretions in the past, coach Carl is another coordinator that knows his business on the field & has done nothing, that we know of, to discredit this program. I would like to see Shane recruit in a couple of skilled areas on O and Carl focus on D "meat & potatoes" on the recruiting trail. Coach Stoops work with special teams has not gone unnoticed and made me quite happy. Although I am upset with coach Carm, this has really been the only poor year we have had up front & this is an area where recruiting can have an immediate impact; but this is an area where we will need to focus on JUCO in order to get some physically-developed players. Coach Crist (IMO) has really had a good year, with what is a deceptively modest talent, he has given us a solid group. Coach Ganz has done very-well over the past 2-seasons and deserves a chance to take on more responsibility; the word is still out on his recruiting abilities. McKissic-Luke seems to get the max effort from McCaster & I really like what I see in Turner. I would still love to see more another Ruiz come on board during the off-season. Honestly, Bo has been the only inconsistency on the staff this past year and that seems to be his "MO".
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1AA, I don't think we need another Ruiz, we already have McCaster. Who needs another back just a little too small and half a step slow? I'm moving Turner to the slot as he is a better receiver than RB and looking to Chapman to really be the key guy on offense this year.
I love your shot at Bricllo. Did you ever notice how the best coaches in the NFL, just by coincidence, have the best QBs? These guys are the same coaches year in, year out, it comes down to the kids and their commitment. This year both tackles seemed to have some other interest most of the time. Same with D'Alesio, he was a far better coach when Reed was able to play!
Personally, I think this team is in big trouble in the OL. We have just about -0- at OT and you simply can't run OR pass it you can't control the edges. Compound that with a TE that is mostly a receiver and it doesn't look good. What we need is a seasoned JUCO transfer or 2 at OT. IMO, much more of a need than QB.
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Go, I fully agree on your assessment of the need in the OL being greater than that of QB. I think you are confused when it comes to Ruiz ...he was a beast. I think he only had 1-year of less than 1,000-yards and could brake off of a mistake up front with ease. Although I really thought the world of Cook and will take a clone of either ...Cook had better hands than Ruiz, but Ruiz was stronger which more than made up for a possible slightly-weaker vision than Cook.
As to TE, I am not overly-worried with Joiner and Durkin ...do not know much about Burgett. I have also heard a rumor that Kuhn can graduate this year and would be granted an additional year, but I think he would then have to transfer.
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Go, I fully agree on your assessment of the need in the OL being greater than that of QB. I think you are confused when it comes to Ruiz ...he was a beast. I think he only had 1-year of less than 1,000-yards and could brake off of a mistake up front with ease. Although I really thought the world of Cook and will take a clone of either ...Cook had better hands than Ruiz, but Ruiz was stronger which more than made up for a possible slightly-weaker vision than Cook.
As to TE, I am not overly-worried with Joiner and Durkin ...do not know much about Burgett. I have also heard a rumor that Kuhn can graduate this year and would be granted an additional year, but I think he would then have to transfer.
Besides his stone hands, Ruiz has 3 things that held him back from even coming close to Cook or Mason. Too small for a power back, he was too slow for a speed back, and let's not forget, HE WAS ON ILLEGAL DRUGS. You may want a clone of that ********, but not me! Personally I expect Chapman to be 2X what Ruiz ever was.
I am not concerned about the TE's as pass catchers, but with the abysmal play of our OTs this year and having only the backups to replace the starters, I am concerned about having a semi-OT to play TE and help with the blocking. Durkin is a converted QB and Joiner is 215# I don't see either helping the running game much. The only thing any of us know about Burgett is was he was the 7th best TE on a 6-5 team last season. Doesn't say much.
To me, if we don't get at least 1, but hopefully 2 OT from the JUCO ranks, we will be headed to 6-5 again. The D should be very good, but I don't see how we score.
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I certainly hope that Chapman is 2x better than Ruiz & I think Mason was a phenom. As to your feelings on the D? We have more problems on D than O. If our QB gets the ball to our receivers they can catch and if the QB makes the hand-off the TBs can run; but our coverage does not even look for the ball most of the time and along with the middle, they have no fundamental tackling skills. Our linebackers become linemen and the secondary creeps up to try and cover short routs. However, all of this stems from a D-line that is not "pulling their weight" in shutting down the run game.
The offensive line wears the same hat that causes a multitude of problems on that side of the ball. Sure our TBs can run, but not much past the front line that is getting no push. Additionally, because the o-line is getting manhandled they cannot drop back into QB protection when needed. So we have to fortify the line with more bodies which basically telegraphs our plays to the opposing DC.
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Not concerned at all about the D. Biggest issue is going to QB and WR's.
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I am glad you feel that confident in the defense, but do not share the same confidence. Football is a numbers game to me & that may be very old-fashioned; however I see the following:
Goals for an offense (per drive):
1. Score a TD = 7
2. Score a field-goal = 3
3. Punt or put the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
Goals for a defense (per drive):
1. Get the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
2. Allow your opponent to Score a field-goal = 3
3. Allow your opponent to Score a TD = 7
So basically if we continue with accepting scores on defense, we have to be always scoring on offense. The team fails to do this will lose. The goal for my offense is to score a TD every time they have the ball & the goal of my defense is to never allow a score. Jim Tressel said that he would rather win a game 3-0, than 33-30 ...therefore he is defensive-minded. I am the same. I want my offense to score each time they get the ball, but it is really only required to score enough to win the game. So, this is where time-of-possession is key. If you can have long-drives on offense, your opponent will have less opportunities to score
I like shut-down defense and long drawn-out run-based offense. If my offense can produce 2 or 3 scores, I expect to win that game. Chief, you expect your offenses to produce 51-points as you think an offense should score 50 in a given game. You like high-powered offenses that can score enough to beat a team that scores more than 2 or 3 times a game.
You like the NFL and I like small-college ball. LOL I have not watched an NFL game in years.
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I am glad you feel that confident in the defense, but do not share the same confidence. Football is a numbers game to me & that may be very old-fashioned; however I see the following:
Goals for an offense (per drive):
1. Score a TD = 7
2. Score a field-goal = 3
3. Punt or put the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
Goals for a defense (per drive):
1. Get the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
2. Allow your opponent to Score a field-goal = 3
3. Allow your opponent to Score a TD = 7
So basically if we continue with accepting scores on defense, we have to be always scoring on offense. The team fails to do this will lose. The goal for my offense is to score a TD every time they have the ball & the goal of my defense is to never allow a score. Jim Tressel said that he would rather win a game 3-0, than 33-30 ...therefore he is defensive-minded. I am the same. I want my offense to score each time they get the ball, but it is really only required to score enough to win the game. So, this is where time-of-possession is key. If you can have long-drives on offense, your opponent will have less opportunities to score
I like shut-down defense and long drawn-out run-based offense. If my offense can produce 2 or 3 scores, I expect to win that game. Chief, you expect your offenses to produce 51-points as you think an offense should score 50 in a given game. You like high-powered offenses that can score enough to beat a team that scores more than 2 or 3 times a game.
You like the NFL and I like small-college ball. LOL I have not watched an NFL game in years.
The college game has changed thanks to the spread offense. Have to be able to score points. Defenses are going to give up points. Just how it is.
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I am glad you feel that confident in the defense, but do not share the same confidence. Football is a numbers game to me & that may be very old-fashioned; however I see the following:
Goals for an offense (per drive):
1. Score a TD = 7
2. Score a field-goal = 3
3. Punt or put the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
Goals for a defense (per drive):
1. Get the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
2. Allow your opponent to Score a field-goal = 3
3. Allow your opponent to Score a TD = 7
So basically if we continue with accepting scores on defense, we have to be always scoring on offense. The team fails to do this will lose. The goal for my offense is to score a TD every time they have the ball & the goal of my defense is to never allow a score. Jim Tressel said that he would rather win a game 3-0, than 33-30 ...therefore he is defensive-minded. I am the same. I want my offense to score each time they get the ball, but it is really only required to score enough to win the game. So, this is where time-of-possession is key. If you can have long-drives on offense, your opponent will have less opportunities to score
I like shut-down defense and long drawn-out run-based offense. If my offense can produce 2 or 3 scores, I expect to win that game. Chief, you expect your offenses to produce 51-points as you think an offense should score 50 in a given game. You like high-powered offenses that can score enough to beat a team that scores more than 2 or 3 times a game.
You like the NFL and I like small-college ball. LOL I have not watched an NFL game in years.
The college game has changed thanks to the spread offense. Have to be able to score points. Defenses are going to give up points. Just how it is.
IMO: What you are really saying is defenses have not kept up with offenses and I agree at the pro level and even upper tier college. Very unfortunate. As we continue to change rules to try and keep the flow of the game, things will only get worse.
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Reading some of these posts right now...
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I am glad you feel that confident in the defense, but do not share the same confidence. Football is a numbers game to me & that may be very old-fashioned; however I see the following:
Goals for an offense (per drive):
1. Score a TD = 7
2. Score a field-goal = 3
3. Punt or put the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
Goals for a defense (per drive):
1. Get the ball as close to your end-zone as possible.
2. Allow your opponent to Score a field-goal = 3
3. Allow your opponent to Score a TD = 7
So basically if we continue with accepting scores on defense, we have to be always scoring on offense. The team fails to do this will lose. The goal for my offense is to score a TD every time they have the ball & the goal of my defense is to never allow a score. Jim Tressel said that he would rather win a game 3-0, than 33-30 ...therefore he is defensive-minded. I am the same. I want my offense to score each time they get the ball, but it is really only required to score enough to win the game. So, this is where time-of-possession is key. If you can have long-drives on offense, your opponent will have less opportunities to score
I like shut-down defense and long drawn-out run-based offense. If my offense can produce 2 or 3 scores, I expect to win that game. Chief, you expect your offenses to produce 51-points as you think an offense should score 50 in a given game. You like high-powered offenses that can score enough to beat a team that scores more than 2 or 3 times a game.
You like the NFL and I like small-college ball. LOL I have not watched an NFL game in years.
I disagree with the defensive scenario. I think the goals are
1. Take the ball away
2. Stop them from scoring
3. improve field position
4. Score if you can
NDSU has this type of defensive mind set with their Tampa 2 defense.
We have given up big plays because we leave our corners on an island and we bring the safeties down to blitz often.
Most of the teams we face put their best players on offense, except NDSU. You are not factoring that in. The only thing that spread offenses have affected is speed and size of LB's, the number of people needed in the secondary, and the fact that you can put a boob in at QB and he can distribute the ball without having to read a defense. Otherwise nothing has really changed.. Montgomery's offense is not cutting edge