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Title: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 14, 2017, 08:51:21 PM
So, from previous years it was suggested that the countdown not start until 50 days out to the season... so here it is! Gameday (September 2nd at Pitt) is 50 days out!  fb
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 14, 2017, 10:02:45 PM
Love it. Yes we lost some talent and experience but still have plenty coming back. No reason to think playoffs are out of the reach for this team.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 15, 2017, 11:07:02 AM
I agree Chief. The biggest fear that I had, once we made it back to the play-off, was being able to develop the post-season mentality. I was truly shocked at how the team came together last year. Now we will not be surprising anyone next year, the 3 QB season. I am really expecting coach Carl and Shane to do some work early, then put it in their back pockets ....especially on O ...for late/post season. That was a gift that previous YSU coaches had, especially coach T, who passed in on to coach H.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on July 15, 2017, 11:49:39 AM
The third year is the time when a new coach really "owns" a program.  He has selected many of the players and, logically, has chosen people that fit his system.  Mostly gone are Wolford's "athletes," most of whom had impressive physical credentials but just did not play football very well (with the notable exception of Rivers!) and had work ethics that were often lacking.  In their place are Pelini's "football players" who might lack the measurable physical traits but will play the game ferociously.  I'll take my chances with Bo.

After spring practice, Bo suggested that our defense would be faster than last season and have more depth. Obviously, losing the best PAIR of defensive ends in FCS history hurts, but good programs always replace quality.

If we are looking for an impact freshman, my candidate is Coates from JFK (assuming he has recovered completely from injuries that dogged him in his senior high school season.)  Kid has great bloodlines as his father played at Penn State, and he has speed comparable to the Zallow brothers.  Unlike the Zallows, he is a football player first.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 15, 2017, 01:46:58 PM
Well let's see, we return Savon Smith and Cody Squiric at DT along with Donald Mesier who backed them up very well last year. Dellovade and Lee Wright at LB along with Malachi Newell who played well last year as a true freshman returning. DB will be interesting to see who starts there. I'm guessing a combination of Powell, Hegedus (If he's fully recovered from his knee injury) Nico-Hurst and Warfield will start at safety. Corner, it could be anyone. Or possibly one of the JUCO kids. Chapman, Louigene and the Florida transfer will battle it out for the DE spot.

Offensively, obviously Hunter at QB. Probably see Mays and or Davis/Hosick at some point as well. O-Line we return Spencer, Wiggins and Hrynkiewicz. I'm guessing Cam Fraser starts at LG and LT will be up for grabs unless they move Spencer out there. Maybe we see an FBS transfer come in. Heard some rumors. RB will be McCaster and Alessi. Watch out for Christian Turner and Braxton Chapman as true freshman maybe seeing time. TE will be Rader and Durkin with Kuhn filling in as FB I'm guessing. WR's are all back except for Townsend who transferred. Bailey, Patterson, Scott, Derrick and Harvin (Who redshirted last year).

I'm excited and expecting playoffs again this year.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 15, 2017, 05:29:36 PM

If we are looking for an impact freshman, my candidate is Coates from JFK (assuming he has recovered completely from injuries that dogged him in his senior high school season.)  Kid has great bloodlines as his father played at Penn State, and he has speed comparable to the Zallow brothers.  Unlike the Zallows, he is a football player first.

Any relation to Bobby? Bobby was class of 2005 or 06 out of JFK I think Came in under-everything and was a real quality player by the time he left YSU
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 15, 2017, 11:36:54 PM
This is really late, but 49 lol.
Title: article on YSU football
Post by: Double ET on July 16, 2017, 08:28:42 AM
From today's Warren Tribune by Joe Simon

YOUNGSTOWN — There wasn’t much of a break for Youngstown State University football coach Bo Pelini, but that’s the way he prefers it.

The Penguins’ long playoff run ended in mid-January (with an ugly loss in the FCS Championship), and YSU started things back up quickly thereafter, with spring practices beginning in late February and going until April. Three months later, the Penguins are about to kick things off again.

Now, Pelini isn’t exactly clamoring for his mini vacation to end, but he knows the time has come.

“I try to block it out of my head,” joked Pelini at a recent football camp when asked how long it is until training camp begins. “Nah, we’ll be ready.

“It’s that time of year.”

It is, indeed.

Pelini’s Penguins could look quite different when camp breaks Aug. 3, with most of the offense returning and several key defensive players gone, but that doesn’t change much for Pelini, now in his third year leading YSU.

His system won’t change. His philosophies won’t change. His beliefs in how to win will not change. And while he’s not ready to predict another championship run, he likes the team that’s returning.

“It’s hard to tell,” said Pelini of whether the Penguins have a similar make-up as last year. “It (depends) how everything comes together. I think we have potential. Some kids have to step in at some spots. We have kids returning offensively, so I think we’ll be in pretty good shape there. In key areas, we need a couple of guys to step up. That’s just part of the deal. You lose kids here and there.

“I always believe it’s how does the make-up of the team comes together. Does the leadership take over? We have some good leaders we have to replace, but we have the potential in that area. It’s going to be, ‘Are we able to mix and match and kind of find our stride the right way?’ We have a chance.”

While offense seems to be the strength, Pelini said YSU’s chances could depend on a defense that must fill numerous holes, including the losses of NFL Draft picks Derek Rivers and Avery Moss. The pair of defensive ends wreaked havoc on opposing offenses all season, spearheading a defense that led the FCS in sacks.

Their back-ups, Fazson Chapman and Johnson Louigene, played sparingly last year, and while Pelini spoke highly about them, he didn’t take any chances. YSU brought in Florid Gator transfer Justus Reed, who has similar measurables to Moss at 6-foot-3 and 240 pounds. The junior played in nine games as a freshman at Florida and could have an immediate impact for the Penguins.

“He’s a nice-sized guy. He’s talented. He’s a hard worker,” Pelini said. “I think he’s a good addition to the team. I hope he comes in and not only wants to be part of the team, but I hope he wants to be a leader, too.”

Pelini faces an equally tough task in the secondary. YSU lost three senior corners — all of whom started at times — and two starting safeties, but Pelini isn’t overly concerned. A defensive guru, Pelini came into his position after several dismal defensive seasons. He quickly turned the ‘D’ into one of the better units in the nation, and he doesn’t expect that to change this year.

“We kind of do what we do,” he said of the defensive scheme. “When I came in, I think they were like 100th and something in pass defense. What’d we go to (in 2015), like fifth? And it was the same guys. The system helps. The way we coach it works. We’re going to need a couple corners to step up. I feel good at the safety position, and you’ve got to play well around those guys.

“It’s just a matter of working hard and staying with the process, and I think we’ll be fine. I like the potential of this team.”

Part of his confidence stems from a loaded group of linebackers. While it’s led by junior all-conference selection Armand Dellovade and senior Lee Wright, who led YSU in tackles in 2015, there are a number of other players who could contribute. Up-and-coming sophomore Malachi Newell, another linebacker, said the Penguins understand what it takes to return to the FCS Championship, and the LBs are a big part of the plan.

“I think they’ll expect us to lead the defense because, as a position group, we have the most coming back,” Newell said. “Coach expects us to lead the defense and make big plays — be leaders.

“We want to keep that winning program and tradition going. In order to do that, we have to work harder than they did (last year).”
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 16, 2017, 08:45:54 AM
48. Man I am so excited for the season now!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on July 16, 2017, 03:16:55 PM
IAA Fan,

No relation.  Bobby Coates was a lineman from the Canton area.  This Coates is a WR/DB/return man type from Warren Kennedy.

Three articles about YSU sports in the online version of the Warren paper today.  Thanks guys and keep them coming.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 16, 2017, 05:19:27 PM
Trib is doing a nice job, agreed. Saw Grove from the Vindy left so right now, nobody is covering YSU.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 16, 2017, 07:17:13 PM
He was at the Vindy for what a year? I didn't realize he left already.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on July 16, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
IAA Fan,

No relation.  Bobby Coates was a lineman from the Canton area.  This Coates is a WR/DB/return man type from Warren Kennedy.

Three articles about YSU sports in the online version of the Warren paper today.  Thanks guys and keep them coming.

I subscribe to both Tribune and Vindicator. IMO, the Tribune does a better job in their analysis of YSU sports (Joe Simon on Football & John Vargo on Basketball) than Vindy.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 17, 2017, 09:31:32 AM
IAA Fan,

No relation.  Bobby Coates was a lineman from the Canton area.  This Coates is a WR/DB/return man type from Warren Kennedy.

Three articles about YSU sports in the online version of the Warren paper today.  Thanks guys and keep them coming.

I subscribe to both Tribune and Vindicator. IMO, the Tribune does a better job in their analysis of YSU sports (Joe Simon on Football & John Vargo on Basketball) than Vindy.
Looks like we have a rich guy on the blog.  Can afford to waste money on both Trib and Vindy!  Only thing I know for sure ET is you are too old to be a millennial, huh ET?  (speaking from the prospective of a senior citizen that still subscribes to the Trib.)
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on July 17, 2017, 09:58:20 AM
IAA Fan,

No relation.  Bobby Coates was a lineman from the Canton area.  This Coates is a WR/DB/return man type from Warren Kennedy.

Three articles about YSU sports in the online version of the Warren paper today.  Thanks guys and keep them coming.

I subscribe to both Tribune and Vindicator. IMO, the Tribune does a better job in their analysis of YSU sports (Joe Simon on Football & John Vargo on Basketball) than Vindy.
Looks like we have a rich guy on the blog.  Can afford to waste money on both Trib and Vindy!  Only thing I know for sure ET is you are too old to be a millennial, huh ET?  (speaking from the prospective of a senior citizen that still subscribes to the Trib.)

Rich? On YSU Faculty salary?
I subscribe to both papers for Sunday for the discount coupons to save $$ so I can afford the season tickets.
I drive a Chevy....does that sound rich to you? Millennial? I am at the front end of the baby boomer.... Lol

Seriously, I am looking forward to both the YSU football & football season.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 17, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
IAA Fan,

No relation.  Bobby Coates was a lineman from the Canton area.  This Coates is a WR/DB/return man type from Warren Kennedy.

Three articles about YSU sports in the online version of the Warren paper today.  Thanks guys and keep them coming.

I subscribe to both Tribune and Vindicator. IMO, the Tribune does a better job in their analysis of YSU sports (Joe Simon on Football & John Vargo on Basketball) than Vindy.
Looks like we have a rich guy on the blog.  Can afford to waste money on both Trib and Vindy!  Only thing I know for sure ET is you are too old to be a millennial, huh ET?  (speaking from the prospective of a senior citizen that still subscribes to the Trib.)

Rich? On YSU Faculty salary?
I subscribe to both papers for Sunday for the discount coupons to save $$ so I can afford the season tickets.
I drive a Chevy....does that sound rich to you? Millennial? I am at the front end of the baby boomer.... Lol

Seriously, I am looking forward to both the YSU football & football season.
Did you get down for the Art Fair?  Great event for showing off campus and what is good beyond sports at YSU.
You can tell the boomers, we think coupons from the paper.  My kids and grandkids scoff at printed media and show off far better deals and variety from on-line deals! 
Seriously YSU season tickets about the best value in sports out there!  FB season ticket with tailgate pass about equal to 1 browns game and we actually have a chance to win!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ysubigred on July 17, 2017, 11:20:29 AM
It's a new season "BUT" we will never forget!!!

(https://lintvwytv.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/jmu-fans.jpg?w=650)
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on July 17, 2017, 11:44:22 AM
IAA Fan,

No relation.  Bobby Coates was a lineman from the Canton area.  This Coates is a WR/DB/return man type from Warren Kennedy.

Three articles about YSU sports in the online version of the Warren paper today.  Thanks guys and keep them coming.

I subscribe to both Tribune and Vindicator. IMO, the Tribune does a better job in their analysis of YSU sports (Joe Simon on Football & John Vargo on Basketball) than Vindy.
Looks like we have a rich guy on the blog.  Can afford to waste money on both Trib and Vindy!  Only thing I know for sure ET is you are too old to be a millennial, huh ET?  (speaking from the prospective of a senior citizen that still subscribes to the Trib.)

Rich? On YSU Faculty salary?
I subscribe to both papers for Sunday for the discount coupons to save $$ so I can afford the season tickets.
I drive a Chevy....does that sound rich to you? Millennial? I am at the front end of the baby boomer.... Lol

Seriously, I am looking forward to both the YSU football & football season.
Did you get down for the Art Fair?  Great event for showing off campus and what is good beyond sports at YSU.
You can tell the boomers, we think coupons from the paper.  My kids and grandkids scoff at printed media and show off far better deals and variety from on-line deals! 
Seriously YSU season tickets about the best value in sports out there!  FB season ticket with tailgate pass about equal to 1 browns game and we actually have a chance to win!
Yes, I went down to the Arts festival last weekend. The weather was great and my wife(YSU grad) and I both enjoy the music in the fountain square. Planetarium always put on a good show also.
YSU football season ticket is truly a bargain. The campus improvements have come a long way since Tres took over as YSU president although parking is still a problem.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 17, 2017, 12:14:02 PM

Yes, I went down to the Arts festival last weekend. The weather was great and my wife(YSU grad) and I both enjoy the music in the fountain square. Planetarium always put on a good show also.
YSU football season ticket is truly a bargain. The campus improvements have come a long way since Tres took over as YSU president although parking is still a problem.
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Parking has always been a problem.  I started at YSU when the largest lot was referred to as the "mud lot". 
(Careful what you credit to Tres.  1AA thinks Strollo is responsible for all the improvements!) 
That JMU sign still KILLS me!  WTF were they thinking of sending "our" tickets to the opponent?  Whatever.  I do hope we get some "enlighted" leadership in our sports marketing effort, but I am sure Strollo has a good excuse.  He IS the master of that, at least!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 17, 2017, 10:26:18 PM
It's a new season "BUT" we will never forget!!!

(https://lintvwytv.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/jmu-fans.jpg?w=650)


Forget what, that we could not sell as many tickets as JMU. Yes I was embarrassed, but that is about the extent of it. Already forgotten, this is 2017. Maybe we will get there again and fans will have more income. How about they move this game to someplace more accessible (aka less than a day drive)?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 17, 2017, 10:45:30 PM
It's a new season "BUT" we will never forget!!!

(https://lintvwytv.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/jmu-fans.jpg?w=650)


Forget what, that we could not sell as many tickets as JMU. Yes I was embarrassed, but that is about the extent of it. Already forgotten, this is 2017. Maybe we will get there again and fans will have more income. How about they move this game to someplace more accessible (aka less than a day drive)?

The athletic department is a joke and fumbled the whole situation but let's move on.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 18, 2017, 09:47:53 AM
I'm OK with the concept of "moving on".  But experience is the only way you learn and I would feel better about it if I had any sense the athletic department had learned anything.  Last I heard, they were still trying to convince me they did the right thing.  Whatever.  Tressel will have to pay a little closer attention next time.  If it is worth doing right, it is worth doing it yourself, and obviously he can't trust his own athletic department.
Moved on.
Biggest hole for 2017 was obviously DE.   The freshmen look to have potential but at least the top 2 recruits are 215 lbs, and they isn’t enough.  They will certainly add in the weight room, but for 2017 we seem to be pretty thin if Justis Reed isn’t healthy.  Anybody have an input at DE? 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 18, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
DE will be interesting to watch. Reed is healthy and ready to go. Ready to compete for a starting job.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 18, 2017, 11:48:42 AM
46!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 18, 2017, 02:19:17 PM
DE will be interesting to watch. Reed is healthy and ready to go. Ready to compete for a starting job.
He damn sure better be ready to compete for starting job, we don't have any DE's!  Question is, compete with who (or is whom?)  I'm going to go out on a limb and say, I don't think Reed can play both sides at the same time.  We still need another starter and a couple back-ups.  Fazson Chapman looked like an adequate back-up last year, but replacing Moss/Rivers is a BIG step from "adequate back-up"
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 18, 2017, 10:21:32 PM
I'm OK with the concept of "moving on".  But experience is the only way you learn and I would feel better about it if I had any sense the athletic department had learned anything.  Last I heard, they were still trying to convince me they did the right thing.  Whatever.  Tressel will have to pay a little closer attention next time.  If it is worth doing right, it is worth doing it yourself, and obviously he can't trust his own athletic department.
Moved on.


Why I thought he did everything ... I understand he does not need a landing for the boat at the Pitt game. LOL. Sure, if there even is an issue he can be part of it right? Say you know that you can write a letter to the editor at the Vindy? You know that two former Vindy Penguin beat writers still work close bye and have no reason not to answer your emails. You can certainly find the answer. You can even email or call Eric McLellan or Sheryl Schuff at the school. So many options. Here is another good one, Trina Simerly of the NCAA (tsimerly@ncaa.org). We emailed her when we had as many as 80 people talking about going. It ended up being 9 (myself not included) but she was more than prepared to put all of us together in the YSU section. This was well after everyone started talking crap. So yes, let's move on, but down the right path ...shall we?

Also our biggest gap to fill (by far) is at TB. It will actually be nice to see some DE's stay at home so our safeties can do the same.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 19, 2017, 03:47:45 AM
45.

IAA, while I think losing Jody Webb and Martin Ruiz at TB does put us worse off at that position, I like what I've seen from McCaster and Alessi. We will be fine at tailback. Its an opinion but I was thinking our biggest gap would be at DE.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on July 19, 2017, 06:39:20 AM
45.

IAA, while I think losing Jody Webb and Martin Ruiz at TB does put us worse off at that position, I like what I've seen from McCaster and Alessi. We will be fine at tailback. Its an opinion but I was thinking our biggest gap would be at DE.

We are not going to be able to replace 2 NFL caliber DE. How many teams in the country have 2 DE drafted by NFL in the same year?
In absence of these 2 DE, it is critical for our LB to put pressure on the QB and our DB/safeties to cover the receivers.
With Wrght and other starters coming becoming back, LB will be pretty good.
My concerns are with DB and Safeties since we lost most starters. Because we had a history of giving up big plays, we need these players to step up.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ysubigred on July 19, 2017, 09:00:47 AM
It's a new season "BUT" we will never forget!!!

(https://lintvwytv.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/jmu-fans.jpg?w=650)


Forget what, that we could not sell as many tickets as JMU. Yes I was embarrassed, but that is about the extent of it. Already forgotten, this is 2017. Maybe we will get there again and fans will have more income. How about they move this game to someplace more accessible (aka less than a day drive)?

(http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4325958.jpg)
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 19, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
This was well after everyone started talking crap. So yes, let's move on, but down the right path ...shall we?
Right path?  Whatever

Also our biggest gap to fill (by far) is at TB. It will actually be nice to see some DE's stay at home so our safeties can do the same.


WHAT!!!  In the day of the spread offenses, DE's planted on the end the line and safeties planted in the backfield is absolutely the kiss of death!  For better or worse, defensive football is all about pressure on the QB and receivers.  You let the QB stand back and gaze across a field with 5 receivers running all over the place and you will give up 100 points!  You talked all last year about all these guys that could run, Davis, Hosick and Mays and when we got a guy that at 6-5 could stand back and look for a receiver to throw to, we started to win and went all the way to the national championship game.  DE’s need to sell out on damn near every play and DB’s need to pressure the receivers on damn near every play or you will lose for sure.  Glad Pelini is coach and not you!
We will be almot as good at RB this year as last, it's the QB pressure that has me worried.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 19, 2017, 12:44:48 PM
Good points go and this could just be my paranoia getting the better of me, but this is not the NFL. By late last year, teams figured out what to do with our DE's. In fact, WVA had in figured out from the start. You either run a 2 TE set and/or you run the play at the DE. Then his job quickly changes from QB presser to pass-blocker or run-stopper. That is when Carl was pulling in his secondary (safeties in particular) and we were getting burnt deep. If our secondary, can shift more laterally, then the QB has to move and wait. At this point, any solid DE can finish the job. I am not saying that our 2016 tandem were not above awesome, just that I would like to see a little less reliance on pressure from the ends, and more balance.

You saw what we were w/o Ruiz against JMU. With Ruiz in that game, JMU is tired earlier than the last quarter) and it is a completely different game. At TB, the drop from Ruiz/Webb to McCaster/Alessi is at least one season. Then again coach M probably knows something we don't with the new guys. He better ... we are a TB, drop-back passing offense.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 19, 2017, 01:16:19 PM
1AA, I didn't see anybody with a "plan" to stop both Rivers and Moss.  WVU had better players those other teams and that always helps.  JMU had the second best players of the teams we played, that helped them too.  Both offensively against the rush, as well as defensively against the RBs.  Late in the season Moss’s ankle injury really slowed him and made our pressure much less effective.  That’s what worries me with the returners.  Nobody stepped up.  Even the replacement safeties made a couple plays against EWU, but not at DE.
Ruiz was always twice the runner Webb was.  “Experts” always listed Webb as the key guy, but that was never true.  I do expect McCaster to continue to improve and we have a real speed guy in Coates to replace Webb.  Biggest need, and it isn’t even close, is DE’s. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 19, 2017, 01:36:29 PM
Good points go and this could just be my paranoia getting the better of me, but this is not the NFL. By late last year, teams figured out what to do with our DE's. In fact, WVA had in figured out from the start. You either run a 2 TE set and/or you run the play at the DE. Then his job quickly changes from QB presser to pass-blocker or run-stopper. That is when Carl was pulling in his secondary (safeties in particular) and we were getting burnt deep. If our secondary, can shift more laterally, then the QB has to move and wait. At this point, any solid DE can finish the job. I am not saying that our 2016 tandem were not above awesome, just that I would like to see a little less reliance on pressure from the ends, and more balance.

You saw what we were w/o Ruiz against JMU. With Ruiz in that game, JMU is tired earlier than the last quarter) and it is a completely different game. At TB, the drop from Ruiz/Webb to McCaster/Alessi is at least one season. Then again coach M probably knows something we don't with the new guys. He better ... we are a TB, drop-back passing offense.


You are delusional. They were showing clips of the WVU game for the NFL draft and NFL scouts where Rivers and Moss were dominating their tackles during the game. Nobody ever had a stop for either of them all year long. The greatest and most dominant DE in YSU history. The most dominant DE duo in YSU history. As for RB's. There probably will be a drop off, especially with Jody's catch and run and pull away speed. Lord help us if we are relying on Montgomery to save the day.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 19, 2017, 03:09:41 PM
Absolutely nothing in your post makes any sense. Of course they were showing clips of the WVU game. Not because of how well they played, but because of the logo on the oppsing helmets. WVU is recognized. No one ever heard of NDSU or YSU no matter how many titles they have won. The guys simply (and smartly)  wanted the scouts to know they could play with the big boys.

Your comment on coach M makes no sense either. How many times did he save our butts from pathetic DC's? The answer is just about every year but 3. If any coach is "saving the day" we are in trouble. Just like last year.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 20, 2017, 03:56:25 AM
44 days
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 20, 2017, 08:34:45 AM
Absolutely nothing in your post makes any sense. Of course they were showing clips of the WVU game. Not because of how well they played, but because of the logo on the oppsing helmets. WVU is recognized. No one ever heard of NDSU or YSU no matter how many titles they have won. The guys simply (and smartly)  wanted the scouts to know they could play with the big boys.

Your comment on coach M makes no sense either. How many times did he save our butts from pathetic DC's? The answer is just about every year but 3. If any coach is "saving the day" we are in trouble. Just like last year.
1AA, correct me if I've read your post incorrectly, but it seems to me that after you say Chief "doesn't make any sense", you then set about making the case FOR him, not against?  And your argument that NFL scouts never heard of NDSU or YSU is absurd.  I think Carson Wentz #2 overall and Derek Rivers being the 1st pick of the Super Bowl champ. Patriots says pretty clearly "they've heard of us!" 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 20, 2017, 09:16:26 AM
Absolutely nothing in your post makes any sense. Of course they were showing clips of the WVU game. Not because of how well they played, but because of the logo on the oppsing helmets. WVU is recognized. No one ever heard of NDSU or YSU no matter how many titles they have won. The guys simply (and smartly)  wanted the scouts to know they could play with the big boys.

Your comment on coach M makes no sense either. How many times did he save our butts from pathetic DC's? The answer is just about every year but 3. If any coach is "saving the day" we are in trouble. Just like last year.


Wow ummm wrong, just absolutely wrong lol.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ysubigred on July 20, 2017, 02:31:19 PM
Good points go and this could just be my paranoia getting the better of me, but this is not the NFL. By late last year, teams figured out what to do with our DE's. In fact, WVA had in figured out from the start. You either run a 2 TE set and/or you run the play at the DE. Then his job quickly changes from QB presser to pass-blocker or run-stopper. That is when Carl was pulling in his secondary (safeties in particular) and we were getting burnt deep. If our secondary, can shift more laterally, then the QB has to move and wait. At this point, any solid DE can finish the job. I am not saying that our 2016 tandem were not above awesome, just that I would like to see a little less reliance on pressure from the ends, and more balance.

You saw what we were w/o Ruiz against JMU. With Ruiz in that game, JMU is tired earlier than the last quarter) and it is a completely different game. At TB, the drop from Ruiz/Webb to McCaster/Alessi is at least one season. Then again coach M probably knows something we don't with the new guys. He better ... we are a TB, drop-back passing offense.

Yawn!! And JMU sure figured out how to handle Monty's anemic pitiful offense right?! Geeesh!


Back on point. Did anybody take into account for the transfer from Austin Peay Steven Pappadakes Good size kid who sat out last year due to transfer as a DE?  Also Shereif Bynum another DE that looks promising. I think DE will be ok next year I'm still concerned with the offense since we still have the same "O" coordinator  :-\
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 20, 2017, 03:30:42 PM
Good points go and this could just be my paranoia getting the better of me, but this is not the NFL. By late last year, teams figured out what to do with our DE's. In fact, WVA had in figured out from the start. You either run a 2 TE set and/or you run the play at the DE. Then his job quickly changes from QB presser to pass-blocker or run-stopper. That is when Carl was pulling in his secondary (safeties in particular) and we were getting burnt deep. If our secondary, can shift more laterally, then the QB has to move and wait. At this point, any solid DE can finish the job. I am not saying that our 2016 tandem were not above awesome, just that I would like to see a little less reliance on pressure from the ends, and more balance.

You saw what we were w/o Ruiz against JMU. With Ruiz in that game, JMU is tired earlier than the last quarter) and it is a completely different game. At TB, the drop from Ruiz/Webb to McCaster/Alessi is at least one season. Then again coach M probably knows something we don't with the new guys. He better ... we are a TB, drop-back passing offense.

Yawn!! And JMU sure figured out how to handle Monty's anemic pitiful offense right?! Geeesh!


Back on point. Did anybody take into account for the transfer from Austin Peay Steven Pappadakes Good size kid who sat out last year due to transfer as a DE?  Also Shereif Bynum another DE that looks promising. I think DE will be ok next year I'm still concerned with the offense since we still have the same "O" coordinator  :-\
Pappy has good size, that much is true, but he red shirted at Austin Peay in '15 which means they didn't think he was good enough to play for them as a freshman.  Sat out last year as a transfer so hasn't played a down in 2 years.  I wouldn't be counting on too much there.
I still think DE is a HUGE area of concern.  Rivers and Moss also keep guys off Armand and and Wright.  Single blocking on DE's leaves RB's to get on LB's putting added pressure on them too.  Simply boggles my mind that we loose 2 DE's, on as the first pick of the Super Bowl Champs and the other to the New York Giants and we seem to think some guy that couldn't get on the field for Austin Peay and Bynum who saw the field in what 1 game in 2 YEARS and made, let me count.... NO TACKLES in 2 years at YSU, is the answer??   You guys aren't part of the opoiod problem are you?  Somebody is on something!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ysubigred on July 20, 2017, 03:41:32 PM
Good points go and this could just be my paranoia getting the better of me, but this is not the NFL. By late last year, teams figured out what to do with our DE's. In fact, WVA had in figured out from the start. You either run a 2 TE set and/or you run the play at the DE. Then his job quickly changes from QB presser to pass-blocker or run-stopper. That is when Carl was pulling in his secondary (safeties in particular) and we were getting burnt deep. If our secondary, can shift more laterally, then the QB has to move and wait. At this point, any solid DE can finish the job. I am not saying that our 2016 tandem were not above awesome, just that I would like to see a little less reliance on pressure from the ends, and more balance.

You saw what we were w/o Ruiz against JMU. With Ruiz in that game, JMU is tired earlier than the last quarter) and it is a completely different game. At TB, the drop from Ruiz/Webb to McCaster/Alessi is at least one season. Then again coach M probably knows something we don't with the new guys. He better ... we are a TB, drop-back passing offense.

Yawn!! And JMU sure figured out how to handle Monty's anemic pitiful offense right?! Geeesh!


Back on point. Did anybody take into account for the transfer from Austin Peay Steven Pappadakes Good size kid who sat out last year due to transfer as a DE?  Also Shereif Bynum another DE that looks promising. I think DE will be ok next year I'm still concerned with the offense since we still have the same "O" coordinator  :-\
Pappy has good size, that much is true, but he red shirted at Austin Peay in '15 which means they didn't think he was good enough to play for them as a freshman.  Sat out last year as a transfer so hasn't played a down in 2 years.  I wouldn't be counting on too much there.
I still think DE is a HUGE area of concern.  Rivers and Moss also keep guys off Armand and and Wright.  Single blocking on DE's leaves RB's to get on LB's putting added pressure on them too.  Simply boggles my mind that we loose 2 DE's, on as the first pick of the Super Bowl Champs and the other to the New York Giants and we seem to think some guy that couldn't get on the field for Austin Peay and Bynum who saw the field in what 1 game in 2 YEARS and made, let me count.... NO TACKLES in 2 years at YSU, is the answer??   You guys aren't part of the opoiod problem are you?  Somebody is on something!

OK rocket scientist you seem to know how bad the DE situation is so I'll step back and watch  ;D I never said they were the answer but I don't think DE is as bad as you all think just because YSU had two guys drafted into the NFL Geesh!!! Rivers is a good one but Moss was hurt quite a bit so his loss is 50/50. NDSU has players drafted mostly every year and they don't miss a step.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 20, 2017, 04:52:04 PM
One thing we do have going for us at DE and could be the saving grace is that Carl and Bo both do a great job developing defensive talent. So we will see.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 20, 2017, 05:41:38 PM
One thing we do have going for us at DE and could be the saving grace is that Carl and Bo both do a great job developing defensive talent. So we will see.

Amen. I'm more worried about cornerback.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on July 20, 2017, 06:17:21 PM
One thing we do have going for us at DE and could be the saving grace is that Carl and Bo both do a great job developing defensive talent. So we will see.

Amen. I'm more worried about cornerback.
I agree with you.
As I said in the past, it is hard to expect that we will be replace two NFL caliber DE at our levels (not even at the next level). The question should be whether we have two good DE at our level? Based on some of the the discussions on this blog , we do, although not at the levels of last year. I am ok with that.

My concern is whether we have good enough talents for DB and Safeties to play at our levels. Same goes for the running backs.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on July 20, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
Sometime during spring practice, a local reporter asked Pelini the obvious question.  How much will the loss of those two stud ends damage our defense?  After dutifully praising Rivers and Moss, Pelini stated that he did not expect much slippage at all.  He said that we have more depth and he plans to rotate four men at those positions, some better at stopping the run and others proficient at the pass rush.  His lack of concern surprised me, but if he is not overly worried, perhaps we should just trust the guy who has rebuilt this program.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 21, 2017, 08:35:21 AM

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OK rocket scientist you seem to know how bad the DE situation is so I'll step back and watch  ;D I never said they were the answer but I don't think DE is as bad as you all think just because YSU had two guys drafted into the NFL Geesh!!! Rivers is a good one but Moss was hurt quite a bit so his loss is 50/50. NDSU has players drafted mostly every year and they don't miss a step.
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I don't claim any scientific status, but I can read, and understand a little of what I read, and I read your post touting post 2 guys that have done NOTHING in 2 years each as replacements for the best 2 DE's every to suit up for YSU.  Some guys worry about CB's.  Want to help the CB's?  The answer is DE's!  All I am saying is in this era of spread offenses, if you don't pressure the QB you are going to be torched.  NOBODY can cover WR all day.  If the QB can sit back and survey the field, you are going to get beat and our DE's are highly suspect.  I have expectations for Reed, the kid from FL, but you need a rotation of at least 2 and I see us as 2 short.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on July 21, 2017, 08:47:21 AM


OK rocket scientist you seem to know how bad the DE situation is so I'll step back and watch  ;D I never said they were the answer but I don't think DE is as bad as you all think just because YSU had two guys drafted into the NFL Geesh!!! Rivers is a good one but Moss was hurt quite a bit so his loss is 50/50. NDSU has playerselli I  drafted mostly every year and they don't miss a step.
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I don't claim any scientific status, but I can read, and understand a little of what I read, and I read your post touting post 2 guys that have done NOTHING in 2 years each as replacements for the best 2 DE's every to suit up for YSU.  Some guys worry about CB's.  Want to help the CB's?  The answer is DE's!  All I am saying is in this era of spread offenses, if you don't pressure the QB you are going to be torched.  NOBODY can cover WR all day.  If the QB can sit back and survey the field, you are going to get beat and our DE's are highly suspect.  I have expectations for Reed, the kid from FL, but you need a rotation of at least 2 and I see us as 2 short.
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I do not have any insider information. Is it possible (when Pellini was asked that question) that Pellini did not express concerns was because he knew the kid from FL would be coming in and he might have additional DE transferring in from D-1A?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 21, 2017, 10:12:54 AM
Hey guys, Pelini has been here a couple years now.  If you haven't noticed by now, he NEVER says ANYTHING, when asked a question about ANYTHING.  NO coach worth a damn is going to say, "oh boy, the quys we have back look like sh** and we are in big trouble at DE."   EVERYBODY says "next man up" etc. but they know where the weaknesses are.  You think they went after Reed because Bo though they would have very little dropoff?  They went after Reed big time because they knew they had little to nothing back and a couple recruits that are 25 lbs. and a year away.  It's called "coach speak".  One of the reasons Bo likes YSU is the press here buys the coach speak, the guys in Nebraska called him on it.  Go back and listen to what he said about media day here vs. the Big 10.  MUCH easier at 1AA
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ysubigred on July 21, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
Here's another "D" guy I think might make an impact Jonathan Pollock. Transfer from Rutgers didn't play at RU but has one hell of a HS resume from FL.

Anybody know about Malik Richmond? Steubenville BR kid that transferred back and sat out last year because of it.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 21, 2017, 09:35:10 PM
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Post by: ytownchief22 on July 21, 2017, 11:09:02 PM
Pollock had a concussion last year and redshirted. We are loaded at LB so we'll see.


Mr. Malik was the one involved in the rape case down there in Steubenville.... So.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 22, 2017, 03:27:55 PM
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on July 23, 2017, 10:38:23 AM
I ask myself this question the other day. How many FCS (1AA) Championship's have been won with a combination like Rivers and Moss? I couldn't really come up with any other then Kyle Emanuel who is now a linebacker with the Chargers. Bo's comments on the DE's and secondary after spring camp i believe is accurate. Getting the Florida transfer was obviously a need for starting purposes and or Depth. Everyone just needs to relax, the defense will be able to bend a little and hopefully not break..They will have a very strong offense behind them that will produce and take some pressure off tbeir shoulders. I say we win 2 out of 3 against NDSU, SDSU, and Illinois St. at home and share the MVC and return to the playoffs!!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 23, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Pollock had a concussion last year and redshirted. We are loaded at LB so we'll see.


Mr. Malik was the one involved in the rape case down there in Steubenville.... So.

Any further news on Richmond Chief? I work with 3 Big Red fans/former players here in Columbus and they are high on him. They said he needed to spend time back home under care of parents/guardian. Then I read the victim recanted her story and a judge agreed she would not face charges, instead he wanted a paper no less than 10-pages in length explaining and apologizing. Mays still had an issue of a naked minor photo being on his phone.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 23, 2017, 12:45:55 PM
Not sure of all the details about him but he is a talented kid and seemed to have pay his dues. We'll see.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on July 23, 2017, 01:10:08 PM
IAA Fan,

Your co-workers are feeding you something from an alternative universe.  There is a VIDEO of this semi-conscious girl being violated and literally dragged along by her assailants.  A crowd, later identified as including more Steubenville football players, gathered around and cheered.  Sorry, this guy has no business on our football team.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: OleYSUfan on July 23, 2017, 02:15:43 PM
Wick250:  I fully agree this guy per my Steubenville sources should not be on are team!!!
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on July 23, 2017, 03:36:09 PM
I also agree with you wick. Reno felt he deserved a second chance and the fans cheered when Richmond took the field. That's kind of how they roll down there along the river. That case was much worse then the public will ever know. I noticed he is listed as a DT on our roster. If he's on the team he will more then likely be DE
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 23, 2017, 04:40:42 PM
I doubt he ever sees the field. Practice body.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 23, 2017, 07:03:54 PM
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Post by: The YO Show on July 24, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
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Post by: ysubigred on July 24, 2017, 01:53:22 PM
Pollock had a concussion last year and redshirted. We are loaded at LB so we'll see.


Mr. Malik was the one involved in the rape case down there in Steubenville.... So.

YIKES! Thanks Chief. Wasn't aware of either kid's past, just scouring the roster posted on the "Official YSU site". I feel the "D" will be just fine with or without these two.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on July 26, 2017, 12:06:07 AM
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Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: IAA Fan on July 26, 2017, 10:47:30 AM
I don't know, but I stay out of legal issues. The video on line must not have been the entire thing then.  Which makes sense, they would want to protect the victims. I guess we just have to trust the judges and coaches.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 26, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
I don't know, but I stay out of legal issues. The video on line must not have been the entire thing then.  Which makes sense, they would want to protect the victims. I guess we just have to trust the judges and coaches.
I did a brief Google search on this and boy, what a MESS.  I can't tell if Richmond is guilty or not, and if he is legally guilty but not so much in public opinion or just to opposite.  Tons of stuff with investigators etc on this.  However, he was back on HS team, so not sure why not YSU team?  Afterall, we've taken guys with guns where HS would not? 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 26, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
I don't know, but I stay out of legal issues. The video on line must not have been the entire thing then.  Which makes sense, they would want to protect the victims. I guess we just have to trust the judges and coaches.
I did a brief Google search on this and boy, what a MESS.  I can't tell if Richmond is guilty or not, and if he is legally guilty but not so much in public opinion or just to opposite.  Tons of stuff with investigators etc on this.  However, he was back on HS team, so not sure why not YSU team?  Afterall, we've taken guys with guns where HS would not?


Yeah and Moss exposed himself to a girl while at Nebraska lol and he is NFL bound. But rape is a completely different level... He was on the team last year and red shirted so nobody knew.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 26, 2017, 03:46:39 PM
I don't know, but I stay out of legal issues. The video on line must not have been the entire thing then.  Which makes sense, they would want to protect the victims. I guess we just have to trust the judges and coaches.
I did a brief Google search on this and boy, what a MESS.  I can't tell if Richmond is guilty or not, and if he is legally guilty but not so much in public opinion or just to opposite.  Tons of stuff with investigators etc on this.  However, he was back on HS team, so not sure why not YSU team?  Afterall, we've taken guys with guns where HS would not?

Yeah and Moss exposed himself to a girl while at Nebraska lol and he is NFL bound. But rape is a completely different level... He was on the team last year and red shirted so nobody knew.
Rape is different that exposure, in my mind too, although both require you to register as a known sex offender.  Do they register as sex offenders in athletic dorms?  How's that for a question?  This will go off Richmond's record when he turns 21 and the rape was in 2012  so he is probably over 21 so he may not show up on the on-line registeries.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on July 27, 2017, 04:41:13 AM
http://wkbn.com/2017/07/26/ysu-football-working-to-regain-high-attendance-of-the-90s/amp/ I like the idea of selling beer
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on July 27, 2017, 08:40:42 AM
http://wkbn.com/2017/07/26/ysu-football-working-to-regain-high-attendance-of-the-90s/amp/ I like the idea of selling beer
I here Strollo talking about doing a bunch of stuff to get fans in the stands and NOT ONE IDEA was expressed.  The actual situation is they are doing nothing on their own to help.  Very sad.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 27, 2017, 09:44:56 AM
Just an extra way of getting more money by selling beer. It's not going to put more butts in the seats. People need to realize the crowds will never get back to the way it was in the 90's. That was shown by attendance at the 2 home playoff games last year. Sad...
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: stuperman17 on July 27, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
Just an extra way of getting more money by selling beer. It's not going to put more butts in the seats. People need to realize the crowds will never get back to the way it was in the 90's. That was shown by attendance at the 2 home playoff games last year. Sad...

Yes, it'll never be like it was in the 90's... Much like the Indians in Cleveland.  They go to a World Series and ticket sales will still never be like it was then. 

However, selling beer will increase attendance... Plus increase revenue. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 27, 2017, 11:12:27 AM
You'll have a hard time convincing me the sale of beer will increase attendance greatly at a YSU football game.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on July 27, 2017, 11:38:25 AM
If you are a season ticket holder, did you receive a phone call from the athletic office sometime in late June or early July, thanking you for your patronage and asking you to complete a short survey?  I really appreciated the gesture.  It was the first attempt that I can recall to get feedback from fans in about two decades.  Beer sales was one of the questions along with price of tickets and a few other items.  During the course of the conversation, the young man stated that they were puzzled because seasons ticket renewals were actually down from the same time as last year.  I think that the athletic department still does not understand the damage done by the handling of the championship game tickets.  I hope that I am wrong, but beer sales might be an act of desperation.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on July 27, 2017, 01:05:16 PM
Cindy article on YSU football today:

Pelini, Penguins comfortable together

FCS playoff run showed players, staff bought into Pelini’s culture change
Published: 7/27/17 @ 12:10


By Brian Dzenis

bdzenis@vindy.com

As Bo Pelini enters his third season in charge at Youngstown State, the football team is truly his.

While there are holes to fill and roles to figure out when camp opens on Aug. 3, everyone involved in the program knows what the expectations are and they’ve bought into the culture.

“I guess I’m a little bit more comfortable now knowing what the challenges are and a couple years in, your culture has got stronger,” Pelini said. “The players have a better understanding of where I’m coming from and where the staff is coming from.

“It’s a never-ending thing where you continue to work and continue to try and develop your team and your culture. I think where we are now, we’ve got the chance to compete on a yearly basis in this conference.”

The Penguins are coming off a 12-4 campaign that ended with a 28-14 loss to James Madison in the Football Championship Subdivision national championship game.

They made it to the title gamelast season after a 10-year postseason drought.

Despite those accomplishments, the Penguins are ranked No. 3 with no first-place votes in the Missouri Valley Football Conference’s preseason poll. Pelini was dismissive of the poll itself and said wasn’t inclined to compare his team to the two sides above his: South Dakota State at No. 2 and top-ranked North Dakota State.

Where the Penguins have seen a more tangible impact from their postseason performance is on the recruiting trail and when scheduling out-of-conference opponents. YSU’s national championship run left the coaching staff with just 25 days, to National Signing Day, but the team was able to sign 19 players and add a few transfers.

“I think it certainly helped, there’s a lot of competition for players in this region,” Pelini said. “Kids want to win, when you have the success we’ve had, maybe you have a chance to get in on kids that you previously couldn’t get in the past.

“I thought we had a good recruiting year and our success had a lot to do with that. Hopefully we build on that and keep the momentum going.”

On the scheduling side, Pelini and his MVFC coaching peers have noticed FBS teams have been reluctant to schedule any MVFC teams, lest they end up like Iowa, which saw its No. 11 rank fall after losing to North Dakota State, 23-21, last season.

“Teams don’t necessarily want to play teams in our conference. They may want to play an FCS team, but they don’t want to play our conference because of the challenges that come with that,” Pelini said. “We have some things for the future — open dates that we we’re working to fill — and we’re not getting a lot of takers.”

The Penguins open their season Sept. 2 at Pittsburgh. Now more than ever, the head coach thinks the foundation is set.

“Hopefully some of that success we had last can carry over while we continue to build on our culture,” Pelini said. “You do that and I think we have a fighting chance.”


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Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: guinpen on July 27, 2017, 08:22:57 PM
If you are a season ticket holder, did you receive a phone call from the athletic office sometime in late June or early July, thanking you for your patronage and asking you to complete a short survey?  I really appreciated the gesture.  It was the first attempt that I can recall to get feedback from fans in about two decades.  Beer sales was one of the questions along with price of tickets and a few other items.  During the course of the conversation, the young man stated that they were puzzled because seasons ticket renewals were actually down from the same time as last year.  I think that the athletic department still does not understand the damage done by the handling of the championship game tickets.  I hope that I am wrong, but beer sales might be an act of desperation.

I am and I did not get such a call.

I am not happy about the beer sales, already enough drinkers in the crowd saying crude things in front of my family
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 27, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
I'd rather have some loud, rowdy fans than fans who sit there on their hands and say nothing during the game. But hey that's just me.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on July 27, 2017, 09:59:56 PM
Fans who are dedicated, committed, and loud: that is fine.  Inebriated fans who ruin the experience for others, no thanks.  For those so inclined, hanging out with drunks is what the NFL is for.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: guinpen on July 27, 2017, 10:16:54 PM
Fans who are dedicated, committed, and loud: that is fine.  Inebriated fans who ruin the experience for others, no thanks.  For those so inclined, hanging out with drunks is what the NFL is for.

You get it Wick, loud and rowdy is one thing. Having my wife and kids having to listen to raw language from a bunch of drunks is another thing.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 28, 2017, 02:13:07 AM
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Post by: go guins on July 28, 2017, 08:53:58 AM
You'll have a hard time convincing me the sale of beer will increase attendance greatly at a YSU football game.
We will sell beer, and if attendance goes down, it will be bad, so if attendance goes up, you won't believe it or what?
 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on July 28, 2017, 12:40:36 PM
2 new kids coming into the program this fall:

Logan Creek- 6-4, 295 OL from Butler CC in Kansas


DeShon Taylor- 6-2, 190 DB from Fullerton CC in California
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Post by: ytownchief22 on July 29, 2017, 02:16:34 PM
Devonte Smith, a 6-1 205 DB from Ventura College in CA.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 29, 2017, 08:13:48 PM
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Post by: go guins on July 31, 2017, 09:47:04 AM
I could only find spring practice for Creek and that means nothing.  The 2 DBs were both from JC games, so that is slightly more meaningful than HS games.  They are both very agressive, closing hard against both the run and pass.  With Larry, Curly, and Moe, along with Justus Reed at DE, we will need a ton of tackles from our LBs and DBs.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 31, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
We probably will Go, but with the secondary being improved, and knowing we already have talent at DT and LB, we may be in good shape for that to happen.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 31, 2017, 11:04:17 AM
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Post by: go guins on July 31, 2017, 12:03:12 PM
We probably will Go, but with the secondary being improved, and knowing we already have talent at DT and LB, we may be in good shape for that to happen.
How do you see the secondary imporved?  Altough both safeties had INTs against EWU, they were pretty much torched from then on.  The CBs are all new so we know little to nothing?
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Post by: ytownchief22 on July 31, 2017, 12:37:44 PM
I agree. The secondary is what worries me the most. Besides Powell, nobody is proven back there. Bo is magic when it comes to pass defense so I guess we'll see.
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Post by: go guins on July 31, 2017, 01:24:47 PM
My point through this whole tread is Bo has been magic when it comes to pass RUSH.  You put Tom Brady on the Browns last year and you get, what 3-4 wins?  He can't throw from his back.  Bo has covered some marginal DBs with some GREAT pass rush.   While the DB may be as good, or even a little better, the pass rush stands to be MUCH weaker and that is going to cause problems.
Remember:
Easton Stick is only a jr at NDSU,
Christian is only a jr at SDSU
Kollmorgan is still eligible at UNI but may not play with concussions which is good for YSU, but Dunne is only a jr at UNI.
Straub is only a jr at Southern Il
Kolbe is only a soph at Ill State
Streveler is back for his senior season at South Dakota
(see a trend?  Not going to be easy if you don't get pressure!)
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Post by: The YO Show on July 31, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
I can only see the secondary being improved from experience plus Bo brought in transfers. He made comments during the conference call to the effect that the secondary is better this year than last year. Although, it may very well not be the case, I'm going to be hopeful.
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Post by: go guins on July 31, 2017, 02:36:44 PM
I can only see the secondary being improved from experience plus Bo brought in transfers. He made comments during the conference call to the effect that the secondary is better this year than last year. Although, it may very well not be the case, I'm going to be hopeful.
Here's the point about "coach speak"  He says in his presser about the secondary being better than last year, then he goes out and signs 2 JUCO transfers because he knows he has big trouble there.  Same about DE in spring ball, saying they had good strength there and then he goes out and signs Reed.  What do you expect a coach to say, "we have crap back in the backfield and I'm not sure how we can cover anybody"?  He is going to say good things about his players, he's their damn coach!  He throws his players under the bus and you don't think HS coaches will notice and offer advise to prospective recruits?
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Post by: Wick250 on July 31, 2017, 03:44:06 PM
We enjoyed the great luxury last season of placing heavy pressure on the quarterback by rushing only the front four.  Clearly that is gone, but there are other methods to apply pressure.  I expect Pelini to fully utilize our talent and depth at linebacker by crafting complicated blitz packages.  Pelini understands perfectly well that harassing the quarterback is an essential feature of the modern game.
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Post by: The YO Show on July 31, 2017, 04:33:48 PM
Go, I'm not disagreeing with you, the situation is a big ?. I know we lost amazing pressure with losing amazing DEs. I'm being optimistic I'm sure, but until I hear about how the secondary is doing, or the defensive line from camp, I might as well be optimistic  ;D
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Post by: The YO Show on August 01, 2017, 05:17:15 AM
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Post by: go guins on August 01, 2017, 09:27:32 AM
Go, I'm not disagreeing with you, the situation is a big ?. I know we lost amazing pressure with losing amazing DEs. I'm being optimistic I'm sure, but until I hear about how the secondary is doing, or the defensive line from camp, I might as well be optimistic  ;D
And I'm not disagreeing with your optimism.  I do disagree with 1AA who thinks tailback is the biggest position of concern.  With Tevin and Joe back, TB is among my LEAST concerning positions (IMO QB #1 and LB #2 in returners)
I do get worried when we talk of using the blitz to cover weakness at DE, then you weaken the LB position.  Hopefully Reed is a real stud and the problem is 1/2 fixed already!
I don't recall a year when I had as much confidence in the offense this early in camp.   Should be strong at every position. 
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 01, 2017, 08:24:59 PM
New true freshman addition. Justin Herold, a 6-2, 275 DT from St. Edward. Probable red shirt due to the depth at the position but he's a nice size, strong kid. Could definitely be a contributor moving forward.
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 01, 2017, 09:52:20 PM
Camp starts tomorrow boys and girls.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 02, 2017, 05:12:20 AM
31! Happy start of camp  fb
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Post by: go guins on August 02, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
New true freshman addition. Justin Herold, a 6-2, 275 DT from St. Edward. Probable red shirt due to the depth at the position but he's a nice size, strong kid. Could definitely be a contributor moving forward.
Redshirt my a _ _ !  This kid has a 4.85 40 and half his high school snaps were at DE.  at 260 he is big enough and strong enough to play DE. 
From HUDL:
Positions: DE, DT
Height & Weight: 6'2" 260lbs
40 Yard Dash: 4.85
Shuttle: 4.46
Vertical: 25
Bench: 365
Squat(LBS): 450
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 02, 2017, 10:43:27 AM
New true freshman addition. Justin Herold, a 6-2, 275 DT from St. Edward. Probable red shirt due to the depth at the position but he's a nice size, strong kid. Could definitely be a contributor moving forward.
Redshirt my a _ _ !  This kid has a 4.85 40 and half his high school snaps were at DE.  at 260 he is big enough and strong enough to play DE. 
From HUDL:
Positions: DE, DT
Height & Weight: 6'2" 260lbs
40 Yard Dash: 4.85
Shuttle: 4.46
Vertical: 25
Bench: 365
Squat(LBS): 450
Just watched a video of Justin benching 405 with ease. Looking at the updated roster looks like both DE's that played last year have added some weight(Hopefully from the weight room) and are around the 250 range . Excited to see what the transfer DE from Rocky River can do and Reed from Florida
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 02, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
New roster is out. One addition I see is OT Jamie Herr. 3 stars coming out of high school in 14. Committed to WVU out of high school but wasn't eligible. Transferred to Marshall but did not play, and now he's here. Could be a guy who could gain playing time in a year or 2.
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Post by: go guins on August 02, 2017, 02:19:32 PM
New roster is out. One addition I see is OT Jamie Herr. 3 stars coming out of high school in 14. Committed to WVU out of high school but wasn't eligible. Transferred to Marshall but did not play, and now he's here. Could be a guy who could gain playing time in a year or 2.
6'5" and you can't teach height!  Spencer's last year, and I don't recall ever thinking "too many O linemen!"
Had great interest coming out of HS, including WVU (obviously) FSU BostonC UConn, wonder what happened?
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Post by: go guins on August 02, 2017, 02:53:43 PM
Starting with Herr and Reed, but going down the whole roster, position by position, this may be the most talented, athletic roster we have ever had.  Doesn't mean we are going to beat Pitt, or NDSU, or SDSU, or UNI or anybody else, and certainly doesn't mean a national championship, but the position by position, it is damn good.  May be better next year even with Wells gone.  (it's college, you lose players every year.  We lost our best player last year too)
With what Calhoun is doing, if Nikki Arbanas Sarah Cash are healthy, YSU is going to win a LOT of games this fall/winter!
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 02, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
Good point Go Guins..I will say Bo and his staff have done a great job getting the pieces they want in place especially with incoming recruits, and the transfers from last year to this year. I have been following other teams in the conference very closely and all of them have brought in a high amount of FBS transfers this year..The conference will be very strong this year..probably stronger then its ever been..We need to continue to find ways to win the close games
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Post by: The YO Show on August 03, 2017, 02:56:36 AM
30 days!
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Post by: go guins on August 03, 2017, 08:17:59 AM
Good point Go Guins..I will say Bo and his staff have done a great job getting the pieces they want in place especially with incoming recruits, and the transfers from last year to this year. I have been following other teams in the conference very closely and all of them have brought in a high amount of FBS transfers this year..The conference will be very strong this year..probably stronger then its ever been..We need to continue to find ways to win the close games
IMO you're 100% right about winning the close ones.  It looks like we could have a ton of those!  I am going to miss the NDSU game and it's killing me!  Families, can't live with them, can't shoot them!
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Post by: Double ET on August 03, 2017, 08:25:19 AM
I don't know, but I stay out of legal issues. The video on line must not have been the entire thing then.  Which makes sense, they would want to protect the victims. I guess we just have to trust the judges and coaches.
An article on this subject in today's Vindy:

Steubenville's Richmond gets an opportunity at YSU

Former Big Red player Richmond walk-on defensive lineman with Penguins
Published: 8/3/17 @ 12:10


By Brian Dzenis

bdzenis@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

A teen involved in one of Ohio high school football’s biggest scandals will be a member of Youngstown State’s football team this fall.

Ma’lik Richmond, one of two former Steubenville football players found delinquent in connection with the sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl during a 2012 party, will play defensive end for the Penguins.

The incident, captured and shared on teens’ cellphones, brought national attention to Steubenville amid a firestorm of protests.

YSU sports information director Trevor Parks said Richmond enrolled at YSU as a student in August 2016 before walking onto the team in January.

YSU President Jim Tressel said he was aware Richmond had enrolled at the school as a student, but was not consulted about him joining the football team.

Tressel said he views second chances as something “that’s important for everyone.” If Richmond — or any student — handles their academics while being a model citizen — there is a place for him at YSU.

“He’s been here [for a year] and I haven’t heard of any issues with him,” Tressel said. “What’s important now is the future, my expectations for him are the same as I would have for any student.”

YSU athletic director Ron Strollo and head football coach Bo Pelini have not commented on Richmond being on the team.

When Richmond was released from a juvenile detention facility in 2014, he played his senior season with the Big Red. After graduating, he attended California University of Pennsylvania and Potomac State College of West Virginia University. Potomac State does not have a football team.

A spokesman for California said Richmond enrolled for the spring 2016 semester and left the university “in good standing.” He did not play for the Vulcans’ football team.

Richmond, along with Rig Red teammate Trent Mays, received the juvenile equivalent of a guilty verdict for raping the victim while she was unconscious at a party. Richmond served a year in a juvenile detention facility, while Mays served two. Mays also was charged with the dissemination of child pornography for posting pictures of the girl on social media.

The case lead to the resignation of Steubenville’s superintendent. The school’s IT director faced charges of tampering with evidence, obstructing and perjury and took a plea deal to serve 90 days in jail. A volunteer coach received a six-month suspended sentence along with community service and fines.

Upon Mays’ release in 2015, he attended Hocking College and played football. Hocking’s president, Betty Young, wrote a campus-wide email about the matter, as reported in The Dayton Daily News.

“Second chances do not excuse or defend previous behavior. There are a lot of second-chance stories at every community college,” Young wrote. “Trenton’s story is just one. His path will be challenging, but many of our students face challenges and they overcome them to reach success. It is up to him to determine what to do with this opportunity.”

Mays later transferred to Central State.

As of November 2014, Richmond’s status as a sex offender was downgraded to tier 1 from tier 2 — a lower-risk distinction — according to multiple media reports at the time. He has to register his address with the appropriate sheriff’s office. Only tier III offenders require notification being sent to nearby residents or schools where they live.

Richmond is not listed in online sex offender databases. According to the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department — the jurisdiction where he was found delinquent — juvenile offenders are never listed online, even after they turn 18.
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 03, 2017, 08:52:46 AM
Opening day of camp and the Vindy prints this ?
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Post by: Wick250 on August 03, 2017, 11:25:36 AM
Fever,

Sad, but not unexpected.  We should be thankful that a newspaper located 15 miles away is providing quality coverage for the "local" university.  Tribune today has an article on the now healthy Sarah Cash.

Nobody knew about Richmond until it was reported on this website about 10 days ago.  Does anybody doubt that the new reporter for the Vindicator got his initial information here?

I find it rather important that Pelini did not recruit this guy....he enrolled first and then walked on the football team, as any student has a right to do.  With juvenile records in Ohio sealed, it is entirely possible that nobody at the university realized this character was involved in that infamous business.  I knew all about the Steubenville affair, but the name Richmond meant nothing to me until he was identified on this site.
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 03, 2017, 12:44:00 PM
Bo did not recruit him no, but Bo was the one who decided to allow him on the team. We'll see how the reaction is as time moves on.
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Post by: Buddy on August 03, 2017, 03:02:22 PM
I don't think this should be an issue.  People have to have a second chance.  hell if not then all crimes should have the death penalty! 

And remember Leo Hawkins?  Or Shawn Patton?   Guys Tress gave a second chance. 
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Post by: go guins on August 03, 2017, 03:27:28 PM
Opening day of camp and the Vindy prints this ?
I don't want to argue the good/bad of the POTUS, but he has a point with his trash news comments.  Even the long established local paper trashes the main business left in town on the day camp opens.  Completely outrageous. 
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Post by: The YO Show on August 03, 2017, 04:17:25 PM
There are alot of people I know that this is not resonating well with, and I may be in the minority here that feels that this guy probably shouldn't be on the football team. Just my opinion.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 03, 2017, 04:19:51 PM
Not that it really makes a big difference in my view on the situation, but chief apparently Bo did try to recruit him:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2017/aug/03/ysu-coach-bo-pelini-explains-decision-former-steub/?mobile
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 03, 2017, 05:02:05 PM
I agree everyone deserves a second chance but when the crime revolves around the word "rape" that's just... Idk. A little uneasy for myself.
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Post by: YSU FAN#34 on August 03, 2017, 07:41:04 PM
For some reason this has blown up on my FB today.  Lots of unhappy folks.  Wondering if this will end up being a mistake.
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 03, 2017, 10:39:54 PM
People are very upset around the community.
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 03, 2017, 11:46:20 PM
I also see Xavier Bailey from Brookfield on the roster. He originally committed to OU but has since joined the guins. He's a very explosive athlete with some good speed. Nice local addition.
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Post by: Double ET on August 04, 2017, 08:34:56 AM
Article published in today's Warren Tribune on first day practice:

YOUNGSTOWN — Day one of practice in a college football player’s career is often a tough day on a number of levels, but some instances strike more fear into a player than others.

At Youngstown State University, that fear comes in different forms.

First, there are bigger, stronger, faster players to go up against. Then there’s a new, larger coaching staff to get used to, one that is going is going to be evaluating their every move on film after practice.

But maybe the biggest intimidating factor when joining the Penguins is … Bo Pelini. It’s not necessarily his temper-filled rage that is hard to deal with (although that can be a bit frightening), it’s all the Xs and Os he insists you comprehend that can make players’ heads spin.

“There’s a lot to learn,” said Pelini after YSU broke camp Thursday at Stambaugh Stadium. “There’s a lot of detail if you’re playing the game the right way. We require detail. You have to be pretty disciplined. It’s a little bit of a rude awakening if you’re a guy coming out of high school to be able to play at the level and do the things that we’re asking them to do consistently.”

Not many true freshmen have been able to deal with it all during Pelini’s two years with the Penguins.

The only non-special teams players to make an impact as a true freshmen under Pelini were linebacker Armand Dellovade, who is now a junior and one of the top defenders in the conference, and offensive lineman Gavin Wiggins, who was forced into action two years ago because of injuries but is now a starter.

The schemes and attention to detail needed to play right away aren’t easy to comprehend, not even for the most gifted players.

“It takes some instincts, some football knowledge,” Pelini said. “All guys come in at a different level, and some guys can handle that, and some guys can’t.”

The Penguins might be looking for a few quick-learners this year.

They lost six starters to one of the nation’s best defenses, including all four in the secondary. Also gone are NFL-bound defensive ends Avery Moss and Derek Rivers and two all-league running backs.

There are holes to fill for a team that has expectations of not just returning to the FCS Championship game but winning it, and while Pelini admits it’s hard to do, he’s not going to hold anyone back.

“We’re going to play the best guys,” he said. “The guys that earn it. The guys that give us the best chance to win. I don’t care if that’s a freshman, a senior — I don’t really care who that is.”

One player who knows that all too well is returning starting quarterback Hunter Wells.

The senior was able to start as a true freshman (albeit under a different coach) at the most important position on the field, only to see himself drop to fourth string last year as a junior. He almost left the team before injuries and poor performances gave him one last chance — one he didn’t let slip away.

Wells is now one of the leaders for YSU, and he, too, wants the best players on the field — regardless of class — and is doing his best to develop the incoming freshmen.

“It’s more mental at this level,” Wells said. “You need to be able to translate it from the film room to the field. It’s not as much as what your 40 time is, how fast you are, how big you are; it’s more mental, so if these guys can come in and get a grasp on it, we know coach Bo has no problem playing the best player. I support that.”

That could be good news for running backs like former Farrell High School star Braxton Chapman and Cincinnati La Salle product Christian Turner, or defensive ends Antoine Cook and James Jackson, or even former Brookfield star Xavier Bailey, a wide receiver.

They all have a steep hill to climb, but the opportunities are there — and Pelini sees the potential.

“We have a few guys in this class here that have the ability to do it,” he said of true freshmen playing right away. “Now, are they going to be able to translate it to them being able to earn our trust? I don’t know. It’ll be interesting to see.”
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Post by: go guins on August 04, 2017, 08:35:39 AM
I agree everyone deserves a second chance but when the crime revolves around the word "rape" that's just... Idk. A little uneasy for myself.
You say everyone deserves a second chance, but you apparently don't think everyone deserves a second chance.
Does he, or does he not deserve a second chance?  It should be noted, this kid was on our team all last season, apparently without issue.
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Post by: Double ET on August 04, 2017, 08:39:34 AM
Vindy's story on first practice today's:


Wells, Penguins open fall camp

Published: 8/4/17 @ 12:10


Wells, entrenched as top QB,

opens camp with Penguins

By Brian Dzenis

bdzenis@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

A few defensive linemen jump offsides, there were a few false starts and some passes landed on the sidelines instead of in receivers’ hands.

The Youngstown State football team was not its polished self when it opened its fall camp Thursday morning, but there are still 30 days to go before the Penguins face Pittsburgh on Sept. 2.

“There was a lot of energy around here and that’s kind of what you want on the first day,” Penguins linebacker Armand Dellovade said. “I know everybody messed up. Me, the entire defense and the entire offense. We got a long way to go, but this is a good first step.”

Head coach Bo Pelini shares the sentiment.

“It’s about evaluation on both sides of the football,” Pelini said of day one. “It gives you a start and then you build things from there.”

BACK ON TOP

Senior quarterback Hunter Wells appreciates the head coach naming him the starting QB at the beginning of camp, but there’s still work to be done.

“It’s nice having that in the back of your head, but I put a lot of pressure on myself,” Wells said. “It’s my senior year and there’s a lot I need to improve and there’s no room for me to ease back as the ‘starter.’”

Wells came out of last year’s camp fourth on the depth chart.

“That was a unique position to be in. It taught me to keep fighting no matter where you are [on the depth chart],” Wells said. “There’s always hope.”

On of those guys ahead of him on the depth chart in 2016 — Ricky Davis — caught a pass from Wells on Thursday. Wells said Davis is making a good transition to wide receiver.

“He’s athletic. I’m not surprised and I don’t think anyone on staff is — that’s why they put him there,” Wells said. “He can play a lot of positions for this university.”

NO PARTICULAR ORDER

Pelini cautioned against interpreting a lot from who got the carries at running back on the first day of practice.

Incumbents Joe Alessi and Tevin McCaster received the most reps with the returning offensive starters, but on the next rung down the ladder, Cincinnati La Salle freshman Christian Turner saw extensive work.

“He’s a good player, but we have a bunch of guys and we’re not concerned with who’s working with what group right now,” Pelini said. “We’re just giving them reps to see where they are.”

NOT MANY CHANGES

Not many Davis-esque position switches appear to be on the horizon, per the head coach. Freshman Jake Cummings — a Canfield graduate — moves from QB to wide receiver in college and sophomore defensive end Ma’lik Richmond (Steubenville) will plant a hand on the ground after spending his high school career as a linebacker.

PREDICTIONS

Pelini’s said his golf viewership had fallen by the wayside with camp starting, but he mustered a prediction for the Bridgestone Invitational, which started in Akron on Thursday.

“I guess I gotta go with [Jordan] Spieth,” Pelini said.

JUST VISITING

Longtime Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mike Tomczak watched the Penguins practice. There’s a chance he could be doing more than that this fall.

“I’ve known Mike for a while and he wants to volunteer a little bit,” Pelini said. “He wants to observe a little and get his feet wet before jumping back into football things.”

Tomczak’s last coaching gig came in 2010, when he was the offensive coordinator for the Arena Football League’s Pittsburgh Power.



Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 04, 2017, 05:07:55 PM
I agree everyone deserves a second chance but when the crime revolves around the word "rape" that's just... Idk. A little uneasy for myself.
You say everyone deserves a second chance, but you apparently don't think everyone deserves a second chance.
Does he, or does he not deserve a second chance?  It should be noted, this kid was on our team all last season, apparently without issue.

Go he wasn't on the team till 2017.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 04, 2017, 05:08:46 PM
29 days
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 05, 2017, 08:36:49 AM
People are outraged now because he's on the football team. The kid has been on campus since January of 2016. Haven't heard a peep back then...
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 05, 2017, 08:49:55 AM
I heard that a few different groups are organizing protests for the home opener on the 9th..Still find it hard to believe that Bo got a tip that Malik was on Campus..Richmond was on Nebraska's radar when Bo was coaching there and before his legal problems began
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Post by: HappyPenguin on August 05, 2017, 09:11:27 AM
I heard that a few different groups are organizing protests for the home opener on the 9th..Still find it hard to believe that Bo got a tip that Malik was on Campus..Richmond was on Nebraska's radar when Bo was coaching there and before his legal problems began

Protests? Really? Wow.

I guess the University President's comments weren't enough.

I can see not wanting the kid around campus, but like was noted earlier he has been here quite a long time. No one seemed to mind that he was a student but God forbid he walks onto the football team.

Remember folks, just because you are offended, that doesn't mean you are right.
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Post by: Double ET on August 05, 2017, 09:39:13 AM
I heard that a few different groups are organizing protests for the home opener on the 9th..Still find it hard to believe that Bo got a tip that Malik was on Campus..Richmond was on Nebraska's radar when Bo was coaching there and before his legal problems began
Gee, he is a YSU student first and a football player second. Many of my students (past and present) had questionable past and there wasn't any protest against them.
I did not treat them any of differently than all my other students in my classes nor did I ever research into their past. If the university has accepted them as students, it is my job to teach them without exceptions.

Were there any protests against him since he had been a student at the university?

 If you don't want him on the team, don't go to the game.

Give the kid another chance and closely monitor his behavior. Let the athletic dept. and the coaches do their job.
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Post by: Buddy on August 05, 2017, 12:59:49 PM
Many of the football players had issues in the past  The difference I this social media and instant new times that we live in.  As I said before, I do not condone what these guys have done but they paid their penalty.  They have a right to a second chance.  Need to move on. 
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Post by: The YO Show on August 05, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
28 days
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Post by: YSUGO on August 05, 2017, 05:20:32 PM
It's there right to protest but it's his right to play.  He served his time or whatever the punishment was.  My guess is most of the protestors don't go or support the team.  Pelini is a no nonsense coach.  He also try's to mold these kids into men if they are receptive to what he wants and expects.  They real crime is how Steubenville handled this and the coach is King there in a Paterno sort of way.  I hope this kid turns his life around and ignores the bs.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on August 05, 2017, 07:04:11 PM
I agree with all the excellent points that you guys have made in the past day.  According to local news reports today, a student is circulating a petition to have Richmond removed from the football team.  What utter nonsense.  (And I am not happy that he is here.)  I might be more concerned about the feelings of students if they actually supported our teams.  But they don't.  With apologies to Yo Show and a handful of others, YSU students are the worst sports fans in the Horizon League and probably worse than any other schools in the MVFC except for Missouri State and Indiana State.  So if you do not support the product, just shut up.  You have forfeited your right to complain.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Karl Hungus on August 05, 2017, 07:38:08 PM
Amen
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: guinpen on August 05, 2017, 07:59:32 PM
I do not condone what these guys have done but they paid their penalty.  They have a right to a second chance.  Need to move on.

ditto
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 05, 2017, 09:56:45 PM
A student petition has been started to kick him off the football team and it has over 2600 signatures. This may get very interesting. The pressure is on Bo and JT. Do they back down or stand firm and piss off thousands of students ?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ValleyTalk on August 05, 2017, 10:34:12 PM
A student petition has been started to kick him off the football team and it has over 2600 signatures. This may get very interesting. The pressure is on Bo and JT. Do they back down or stand firm and piss off thousands of students ?
They stand firm. I'm sure a majority of those signing the petition aren't even students.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on August 05, 2017, 11:17:29 PM
How many of those 2600 people attend YSU football games?  A dozen?  Two dozen?  I really dislike defending this character, but you must look at this affair through the prism of the law.  In Ohio, juvenile records are sealed, no matter how horrific the offense.  He could have been tried as an adult, but he wasn't.  Therefore, once he enrolled as a YSU student, he was entitled to all the benefits, including participation in athletics if he is good enough.  Depriving a student from a benefit because somebody started a petition against him?  Not going to happen.  THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL.  Of course, he might walk away on his own because of the furor this has created.  That might actually be the best resolution.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 06, 2017, 03:38:20 AM
I didn't sign it but did consider it. I know two of the people that have signed it are my friends, and they went to a good number of games last year including spending the money with me to go to the national championship game in Frisco. Oh and they are really students too. I don't know what the total number is but if it's students like this feeling that way wick, I'm thinking it's more than a dozen just my thoughts. Also big difference between benefit and privilege. If it was a benefit it wouldn't have a sunset provision for eligibility nor would the NCAA be able to regulate participation in collegiate sports like they do. So no participation in sports is not a benefit it is a privilege. Maybe I'm in the wrong on my thinking here, and maybe I'm letting the emotional aspect cloud my normally objective logic based aspect, but again I would prefer not to see him play on the football team.

 At the same time, with everything I have said above, even I'm not sure you can prevent it now. At this point, while I prefer he not be on the team, what message does it send to kick him off now? We cave to public pressure? I honestly don't know how to resolve this now. Because looking at this, even though I feel in agreement with him not playing at this point I don't think the genie could be put back in the bottle so to speak. Kicking him off the team gains us nothing now. I'm very conflicted. Which is why I haven't signed the petition.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 06, 2017, 03:42:11 AM
27 days
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on August 06, 2017, 06:48:30 AM
A student petition has been started to kick him off the football team and it has over 2600 signatures. This may get very interesting. The pressure is on Bo and JT. Do they back down or stand firm and piss off thousands of students ?
YSU is on the Semester break last week. I was on campus last week and I did not see too many students. How could they possibly get 2600 student signatures.

 We didn't even have 2600 students going to the football game last season.

I wonder how many of those students who "signed" the petitions have "prefect" background.

What is next? Get a petition to boot him off campus for his past prior to attending the university while not having violated any university policies ?

I don't believe university performs background check on studens before admitting them to the university. I am all for giving students a second chance.

I don't think even the NFL would suspend players for substance violation if they have passed all the drud test but rather, for their past violations.

Based on all the known facts, admission to the university is determined by the administration and acceptance to the football team is the responsibilities of the head coach/AD.

My 2 cents worth for the day.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 06, 2017, 07:03:56 AM
http://www.wfmj.com/story/36070305/student-starts-petition-to-remove-richmond-from-football-team Here it is..The goal is 5k and they have over 3,600 signatures..obviously not all students
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 06, 2017, 08:48:20 AM
You can sign it online. I just don't want this to turn away the students for a game. We're losing fans over the years as it is, we don't need another situation to continue the downfall. I did not sign it myself. Although it makes me a little uneasy. When you bring up the NFL or college, yes lots of kids get second chances, but when it comes to women, not so much. Ask Ray Rice who couldn't sniff a job after what happened with him. It's a delicate situation because of the nature of his crime.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 06, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
I agree chief this is a delicate situation that is starting to spiral out of control. I think you could see less non student fans in the stands because of this. You could very well have more protesters on 5th street and in the tailgate lots then in the stands for the home opener. The media will not let up on this anytime soon. There is a board of trustees meeting on Sept 6th and another protest is being planned for that. Just curious to what other players and coaches are thinking. Bo has stressed cultural change for years and we have made great strides in that area. Opening days of camp should be filled with excitement and a time for the team and fans to reflect back on last years success and build on that for the upcoming season instead we seem to have this dark cloud hanging over the football program.This really couldn't come at a worse time just trying to make sense of it all..Still looking forward to attending as many games as possible
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on August 06, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
You can sign it online. I just don't want this to turn away the students for a game. We're losing fans over the years as it is, we don't need another situation to continue the downfall. I did not sign it myself. Although it makes me a little uneasy. When you bring up the NFL or college, yes lots of kids get second chances, but when it comes to women, not so much. Ask Ray Rice who couldn't sniff a job after what happened with him. It's a delicate situation because of the nature of his crime.
I agree that this is a delicate situation.

Going back to my earlier point, Rice was not punished for what he had done in college or high school. He was punished for what he did in NFL.

I will be the first one in line to sign a petition to kick him out of YSU if he would commit any other crime.

However, this case begins to make less and less sense to me. Students and others are ok with him being admitted to the university where he could be exposed to all the female students (over 50% of the student body) whom could be his preys. However, they are not ok for him to be next to football players who are capable of taking care of themselves (not to mention that he will be closely monitored by the staff).

If the issue is with him potentially being awarded with scholarship, then, let me ask if the university performs background check on all students receiving scholarships/financial aids prior to awarding them.

Do I want this guy to marry my daughter? NO!

Do I think this guy should be given a second chance to enroll at the university and participate in the sports sponsored by the university? Why not!

I hope this young man can turn himself around (being helped by his participation in the football program).

 I wish all my students to be successful in and after YSU regardless of their past issues. This is my objective or responsibility for being a faculty member. All my students understand that I am here to help them to succeed (and not to punish them).

Give the kid a second chance. Let the faculty and coaches to do their jobs to change his life around.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 06, 2017, 02:36:30 PM
Very much agreed.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: guinpen on August 06, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
So a teenager makes a dumb mistake, said teenager pays the price, said teenager wants to move on with his life. He has that right. If he screws up again I have no doubt that he will be dealt with.

I am not impressed with that number of signatures, it is a feel good thing. Doubt that there are 10 people there that would not go to a game because he is on the team. And if you would stay home then you are not a real fan anyhow. If you want to stay home then stay the h*** home.

Lets move on to something else
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Buddy on August 06, 2017, 07:09:42 PM
My guess is that most people signing the petition have no idea of what the charges were or the outcome of the case.  just read a rapist is on campus!

I have no idea if this is their first offence of they are just A-holes but I have to have some trust in our systems here. They were tried and convicted and served time.  The way our system works is now they have a chance to become productive citizens in society.  Keep an eye on him.  If he screws up he is done.

This is our system... Like it or not.   
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUGO on August 07, 2017, 08:04:34 AM
Sadly this starting to get out of control.  I saw a woman poster on my Facebook say that he doesn't deserve a spot on the team.  That is actually the send poster that I have who has voiced their displeasure on this.  My response to this was What about your QB that you love for the Steelers he was accused twice.  Why support that bum.  I heard "crickets".  I have come to the conclusion that social media is destroying everything.  We don't know what conditions were made other than the normal football rules that Pelini has.  The problem is it's hurting the rest of the team.  They are National runner ups and now we are treated like a rogue program. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 07, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
You can't just throw out Richmond because he has a "public" story.  You need rules, and then follow the rules.  Maybe we make a rule that no registered sex offenders are allowed at YSU, not staff, faculity or students?  Oh, wait, Richmond is NOT even a registered sex offender.  Maybe we should throw him out bacause he is black?  No, my guess is that won't do.  Maybe we go the Nazi way and throw him out for being unpopular?  From now on, if you can find 3600 people to sign a petition that you are unpopular, you're ass is kicked out of YSU! 
Think about this for a minute kids. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 07, 2017, 09:16:01 AM
He will not be kicked off the team. Some of the players I've talked to say they are rallying around him.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUFANSINCE1990 on August 07, 2017, 09:32:13 AM
 A dumb mistake is shooting a gun in the air or smoking pot and costing you and opportunity to play in the playoffs.  Rape is more than a dumb mistake.  Murder may be the only crime that is worse. 

He should have a chance to get his degree and move on with his life.  But football is a different story, he blew that opportunity. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 07, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
I am surprised how open everyone is to this kid playing here and how resigned people are to "he paid his debt".  Moreover, I don't really care if the petition is signed by students or other members of the YSU community (including alumni).  We all want to be proud of our institution and team as a representative of the larger YSU community.  It is hard to be proud of welcoming this person on the team. 

It may be a delicate situation, but there is certainly a significant level of tone deafness here between issues of rape culture on college campuses and, quite frankly, college football in general.  To me, there is much more to this than, "people make mistakes". 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 07, 2017, 11:08:20 AM
http://www.hudl.com/profile/5259949/deshon-taylor Here is a video of Deshon the incoming Juco transfer that Chief mentioned. I really like his size and think he can play multiple positions in the secondary and have an immediate impact..Good get!!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 07, 2017, 11:55:29 AM
http://www.hudl.com/profile/5259949/deshon-taylor Here is a video of Deshon the incoming Juco transfer that Chief mentioned. I really like his size and think he can play multiple positions in the secondary and have an immediate impact..Good get!!
Kid seems to be a hitter.  IMO that was the strength of Leroy Alexander, and we didn't seem to replace that until now.  I agree this is a good pick up!  Thanks for posting.
More fun to review HUDL tapes than talk about Richmond.  This trash about "everybody deserves a second chance", and then immediately say "but not Richmond" is hypocritical and I am tired of reading that type comment.  IF we want all previous sex offenders barred from YSU, then so be it, and if we want all persons with criminal records barred from YSU then so be it, but leave this kid alone or make new rules to be equally enforced.  This is outlandish treatment of an individual student who has, by all accounts, been a good citizen at YSU.  Good grief, everybody rallied in defense of the gun toting players last year.  They we shooting guns ON CAMPUS and nobody had a problem with that.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: pen4life on August 07, 2017, 12:22:02 PM
The kid did what Donald trump bragged about doing and we didn't have any trouble electing him president, give him a break he paid his debt
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 07, 2017, 12:24:34 PM
The kid did what bDonald trump bragged aout doing and we didn't have any trouble electing him president, give him a break he paid his debt


"what bDonald trump bragged aout doing"  and that quote is what?  (I know, it has to be true, you read it on the Internet, didn't you?)
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: goodnews on August 07, 2017, 12:33:43 PM
This story is now national....  It now appears on the sporting news with a pic of Bo..... The legal ramifications I would guess are immense either way.... The biggest joke is the liberal prick that wrote the garbage for the vinidocator suggesting this and the athletic budget are bargaining tools for the union at YSU..... Don't all liberals feel that everyone can be rehabilitated? The students and liberal faculty that preach this garbage is cutting their noses off in spite of there faces.... they certainly want it both ways as i see it!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 07, 2017, 12:58:15 PM
How is this a liberal/conservative thing? 

Moreover---the athletic budget, which doesn't have anything to do with the rapist on the team, is always at issue during union negotiations.  It is hard for it not to when the institution cries poor mouth about other things.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: goodnews on August 07, 2017, 01:28:56 PM
http://www.vindy.com/news/2017/aug/06/gift-for-ysus-faculty/?mobile

Here is the liberal that made it political.....

Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 07, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
I don't know if I would call de Souza "liberal".  Maybe he is---I always just read him more of a curmudgeon.  And, quite honestly, don't read him anymore anyway.  This article does some gymnastics to relate the rapist to the budget.  I guess there is some connect in terms of accountability---but you didn't need this kid on the team to make most of these observations.

To be clear, this is political though.  I just don't see it as a liberal issue or a conservative one.  This is a PR disaster for the athletic department...one they willing embraced, apparently.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 07, 2017, 02:05:16 PM
http://www.vindy.com/news/2017/aug/06/gift-for-ysus-faculty/?mobile

Here is the liberal that made it political.....
So now Richmond is personally responsible for holding down the staff pay raises at YSU?  Hey Ed, how is God's name do you stand behind trash reporting like this?  IMO the Vindy is worse than the checkout tabloids in the grocery stores!   The Vindy clearly has some vendetta against Richmond, that is clear.   What is not clear is why, but in the interest of responsibly journalism, they ought to put their cards on the table.  The Vindy reporters are also union workers, so their support of union workers at YSU is reasonable, but they ought to point that out in the interest of full disclosure.  What bothers me the most is the using a young man who has played football his senior year for the SBR and his freshman year at YSU to make political points and is being completely trashed by reporting trying to attack YSU.  Why YSU and why NOW?  Only they Vindy editorial staff knows and I’ll bet you whatever they won’t say!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 07, 2017, 02:49:04 PM
We are 26 days away.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on August 07, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
de Souza is not a liberal.  He is an elitist columnist who hates Youngstown State University.  Apparently, he cannot stand the fact that YSU provides high quality undergraduate education to the children of working class families. He has been muted for the past three years as our school has attained success after success.  Now this fell into his lap and he is running with it like a young child playing with his new toys on Christmas morning. 

As others have noted, tying this unfortunate affair to the university budget and contract talks is absurd.  But he does not care; anything that fuels his hate-filled agenda is valuable to him.  He has been an embarrassment to the Vindicator and the community for many years.

Note: Ed is the sports editor and has zero influence over the editorial page.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 07, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
de Souza is not a liberal.  He is an elitist columnist who hates Youngstown State University.  Apparently, he cannot stand the fact that YSU provides high quality undergraduate education to the children of working class families. He has been muted for the past three years as our school has attained success after success.  Now this fell into his lap and he is running with it like a young child playing with his new toys on Christmas morning. 

As others have noted, tying this unfortunate affair to the university budget and contract talks is absurd.  But he does not care; anything that fuels his hate-filled agenda is valuable to him.  He has been an embarrassment to the Vindicator and the community for many years.

Note: Ed is the sports editor and has zero influence over the editorial page.
I understand Ed Puskas doesn't control the editorial page, but he DID stand behind publishing the first Vindy article on Richmond on the 1st day of Fall Training Camp, which I called out as trash reporting, so I stand by my request for him to stand by this latest Vindy article which I think is completely OUTRAGIOUS. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: guinpen on August 07, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
A dumb mistake is shooting a gun in the air or smoking pot and costing you and opportunity to play in the playoffs.  Rape is more than a dumb mistake.  Murder may be the only crime that is worse. 

He should have a chance to get his degree and move on with his life.  But football is a different story, he blew that opportunity.

There were a lot of dumb things done in that incident, and not just by him.

I am curious, why is football different? Why is that opportunity blown? Looking for facts and logic here.

If he plays chess should he be banned from the chess club? If he is a christian should he be barred from the chapel? Where do you draw the line?

People a lot smarter than us and way better informed on the facts made a legal decision. He paid the price.

Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: KilrpengWin on August 07, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
How much press did this kid receive after he enrolled at YSU? If he hadn't  walked on to the playing field, would their still be a petition to prevent him from receiving an education only? Doubt it !
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 07, 2017, 09:01:08 PM
How much press did this kid receive after he enrolled at YSU? If he hadn't  walked on to the playing field, would their still be a petition to prevent him from receiving an education only? Doubt it !

Ummm...the letter accompanying the petition says they are fine with him trying to better himself as a student, but shouldn't receive the elevated status of representing the school on the football field.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: pen4life on August 08, 2017, 12:27:45 AM
golly go guins dont you remember our presidents discussion with Billy Bush? It was taped. If it's an old white guy it's just locker room talk but if it's a minority, they cant ever be redeemed. He was a stupid , drunk 16 year old kid. Trump was a 50+ white millionaire a-hole and we totally exonerated him.   
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 08, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
How much press did this kid receive after he enrolled at YSU? If he hadn't  walked on to the playing field, would their still be a petition to prevent him from receiving an education only? Doubt it !

Ummm...the letter accompanying the petition says they are fine with him trying to better himself as a student, but shouldn't receive the elevated status of representing the school on the football field.
This is complete bulls _ _ _  Football players are "student" athletes and are NO BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.  As an alum. wearing YSU gear, with YSU golf bag and club covers and a ton of hats, I REPRESENT YSU ALSO.  Does anybody have any issues WHATSOEVER about how Richmond has represented YSU in his year and a half?   You have rules for admission.  If this kid meets the requirements, then he is admitted.  Full status.  We don't have different levels of students, and we don't enforce those rules randomly as some here would like.  Most of you are former YSU students.  Didn't you learn anything is school or life about fair play?  IMO you guys are patsies for the anti-YSU editiorial staff of the Vindy.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 08, 2017, 11:10:11 AM
How much press did this kid receive after he enrolled at YSU? If he hadn't  walked on to the playing field, would their still be a petition to prevent him from receiving an education only? Doubt it !

Ummm...the letter accompanying the petition says they are fine with him trying to better himself as a student, but shouldn't receive the elevated status of representing the school on the football field.
This is complete bulls _ _ _  Football players are "student" athletes and are NO BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.  As an alum. wearing YSU gear, with YSU golf bag and club covers and a ton of hats, I REPRESENT YSU ALSO.  Does anybody have any issues WHATSOEVER about how Richmond has represented YSU in his year and a half?   You have rules for admission.  If this kid meets the requirements, then he is admitted.  Full status.  We don't have different levels of students, and we don't enforce those rules randomly as some here would like.  Most of you are former YSU students.  Didn't you learn anything is school or life about fair play?  IMO you guys are patsies for the anti-YSU editiorial staff of the Vindy.

and here I was thinking I was anti-rapist, rather than anti-YSU.  Who knew?

College campuses, college athletics, and more specifically college football has a rape culture issue.  I hope this kid can make a better life for himself---but I wish YSU's athletic department would show some better standards for who is representing the community.  The context here matters as it relates to his action and this sport, in particular.  If he were better at football, I am sure he'd be a team captain at Baylor or something.  It would have been easy to say, "you know what...we don't need a person like this on our team"----especially now that it appears that Pelini actually sought him out, rather than the other way around. 

And, this doesn't have to be "fair".  Players don't make sport teams all the time.  Your character is part of you.  I am all for second chances.  I am also all for setting a good example as an institution.  I think recognizing welcoming a gang rapist to your football team is probably in bad taste would have been a good start.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 08, 2017, 11:22:12 AM
Boston,
If your university doesn't have "fair" as part of its DNA, then by definition, it has "unfair" as part of its culture.  I want a university that attempts to treat everyone fairly.  Not everyone makes the football team, but I want the selection process to be fair.  Not giving everybody a “participation trophy" is NOT unfair.
"Your character is part of you."  Yes it is, and I hope YSU is about to step up and demonstrate its character.
 "I am all for second chances."  Seriously?  YOU are just what I described, saying one thing and advocating just the opposite. 
Kid served his punishment.  It is NOT the roll of the Vindicator to extract their own revenge, nor should the university violate its rules to mob pressure.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on August 08, 2017, 12:11:27 PM
golly go guins dont you remember our presidents discussion with Billy Bush? It was taped. If it's an old white guy it's just locker room talk but if it's a minority, they cant ever be redeemed. He was a stupid , drunk 16 year old kid. Trump was a 50+ white millionaire a-hole and we totally exonerated him.   

I was wondering when will the never-rump people going to charm in. You did not disappoint me.
Putting the emotion aside, let us look at the facts.

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities.

As a student, one can participate in university sponsored programs or events unless one violates the student code of conduct (covers both on and off campus).

To the best of my knowledge, university does not perform background check on students before allowing the students to participate in the activities and/or receiving university scholarships/financial aids. If there is one, please educate me. The participation of the activities (athletic programs, academic teams....) are based on his/her abilities/knowledge.

Having said that, therefore, on what ground should he prohibited to join the football program since he has not violated any student code of conduct at the university.

How could the university single him for punishment while others (students with past history of similar problems which we just did not know) could participate?

When faculty leads the academic team representing the university to participate in academic competitions , is he/she supposed to find out who had committed past crimes (asking this question is against the university policy!) before he/she can participate?

Would all of you who signed the petition are going to issue another petition to prohibit him to participate, for example, in the university's national mathematic competition team if he qualified?

The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.

Last time I checked, this country is still supposed to follow the law and order. In the case, it needs to be determined by the university based on their policy and not your emotions.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on August 08, 2017, 12:33:58 PM
Well said, Double ET.  In our poisonous, fractured political environment, people forget that we are first and foremost a nation based upon laws.  Clearly this kid has broken no law as an adult and a university student.  The thought that mob rule could supersede the rule of law should be repugnant to all of us.  And for the third time let me state that I am not happy that Richmond decided to come here.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSU FAN#34 on August 08, 2017, 12:47:29 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this yet but just throwing it out there.  Interesting read...

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/sports/tom-archdeacon-steubenville-offender-gets-second-chance-central-state/FdHHkpFheNnTIFHvfMMTLP/
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 08, 2017, 01:06:38 PM
Just last year, we had kids on the football who:

1. Exposed himself to a female student

2. Shot guns off on campus

3. Steroids

4. Weed


Not to mention our president who runs the school has his own demons as a football coach at this university and the one down in Columbus.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 08, 2017, 01:28:12 PM
25 days
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 08, 2017, 01:51:19 PM

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities. 


I read this three times and I don't see "previous violent criminal offenses" listed as one of the things YSU can't "discriminate" on.  If there is something illegal or against university policy for baring this kid from playing on the team, I haven't quite seen it yet.



The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.


As someone who signed the petition, I can assure you I won't be signing some other petition if he manages to get kicked off the team.  Suggesting as such is silly.

Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 08, 2017, 02:39:21 PM

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities. 


I read this three times and I don't see "previous violent criminal offenses" listed as one of the things YSU can't "discriminate" on.  If there is something illegal or against university policy for baring this kid from playing on the team, I haven't quite seen it yet.



The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.


 As someone who signed the petition, I can assure you I won't be signing some other petition if he manages to get kicked off the team.  Suggesting as such is silly.

If you kick this kid off the team, it believe it will be discrimination, as I don't believe he has a criminal record.  He was convicted/plead guilty as a juvenile and served his time.  I assume that has been expunged from his record.  I do know his is NOT a registered sex offender based on age and current age that has expired. 
If you don’t have a policy against, then it is OK.  No policy against previous criminal records says it does NOT come into play.  You need a previously established, and regularly and evenly enforced a policy to avoid discrimination charges.   Even having the policy, if not enforced previously leaves you exposed to charges.
This subject needs dropped, this kid deserves our support for putting up with the Vindy hatchet job and hanging in trying to improve his life.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on August 08, 2017, 02:40:57 PM

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities. 


I read this three times and I don't see "previous violent criminal offenses" listed as one of the things YSU can't "discriminate" on.  If there is something illegal or against university policy for baring this kid from playing on the team, I haven't quite seen it yet.



The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.


As someone who signed the petition, I can assure you I won't be signing some other petition if he manages to get kicked off the team.  Suggesting as such is silly.

Comments to your first Point:

You are correct. since as you said, YSU does not have it in writing specifically for "previous violent criminal offenses", then YSU really cannot discriminate against anything. University cannot manufacture a cause to prohibit certain students whom they want to exclude from participating in university sponsored programs.
Using your logic, I did not see a statement said "university can prohibit students from activities from previous violent criminal offenses" either

Comments to your second point:

The first petition is not done in the interests of the university. It try to force the university to act on issues that are not in line (or violating) with their own policy. If and when there is second petition (for race discrimination) initiated against the university, why would you not sign it since, in your mind, the university is doing something wrong again.

Let me ask you this, do you know for sure the reasons why other people (might not be you) sign the petition? How could we even know if some of them sign it because they are bias on his race?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 08, 2017, 03:03:48 PM

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities. 


I read this three times and I don't see "previous violent criminal offenses" listed as one of the things YSU can't "discriminate" on.  If there is something illegal or against university policy for baring this kid from playing on the team, I haven't quite seen it yet.



The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.


As someone who signed the petition, I can assure you I won't be signing some other petition if he manages to get kicked off the team.  Suggesting as such is silly.

Comments to your first Point:

You are correct. since as you said, YSU does not have it in writing specifically for "previous violent criminal offenses", then YSU really cannot discriminate against anything. University cannot manufacture a cause to prohibit certain students whom they want to exclude from participating in university sponsored programs.
Using your logic, I did not see a statement said "university can prohibit students from activities from previous violent criminal offenses" either

Comments to your second point:

The first petition is not done in the interests of the university. It try to force the university to act on issues that are not in line (or violating) with their own policy. If and when there is second petition (for race discrimination) initiated against the university, why would you not sign it since, in your mind, the university is doing something wrong again.

Let me ask you this, do you know for sure the reasons why other people (might not be you) sign the petition? How could we even know if some of them sign it because they are bias on his race?


From what I can tell, EEO regulations do not prohibit an employer from using criminal background as a screener.  Of course, this rapist isn't an employee...but it doesn't seem that EEO law is what "requires" the school to "give him a chance".

As for the other 10,000 signers---I don't know why they all signed.  I think the vast majority signed it because they didn't want a gang rapist on the football team. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 08, 2017, 03:10:01 PM

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities. 


I read this three times and I don't see "previous violent criminal offenses" listed as one of the things YSU can't "discriminate" on.  If there is something illegal or against university policy for baring this kid from playing on the team, I haven't quite seen it yet.



The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.


As someone who signed the petition, I can assure you I won't be signing some other petition if he manages to get kicked off the team.  Suggesting as such is silly.

Comments to your first Point:

You are correct. since as you said, YSU does not have it in writing specifically for "previous violent criminal offenses", then YSU really cannot discriminate against anything. University cannot manufacture a cause to prohibit certain students whom they want to exclude from participating in university sponsored programs.
Using your logic, I did not see a statement said "university can prohibit students from activities from previous violent criminal offenses" either

Comments to your second point:

The first petition is not done in the interests of the university. It try to force the university to act on issues that are not in line (or violating) with their own policy. If and when there is second petition (for race discrimination) initiated against the university, why would you not sign it since, in your mind, the university is doing something wrong again.

Let me ask you this, do you know for sure the reasons why other people (might not be you) sign the petition? How could we even know if some of them sign it because they are bias on his race?


From what I can tell, EEO regulations do not prohibit an employer from using criminal background as a screener.  Of course, this rapist isn't an employee...but it doesn't seem that EEO law is what "requires" the school to "give him a chance".

As for the other 10,000 signers---I don't know why they all signed.  I think the vast majority signed it because they didn't want a gang rapist on the football team.


Well the coaches and 100+ players on the football team which is where he will be the most seem to think it's okay.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: SoupCity on August 08, 2017, 03:14:17 PM
This is what kills me about you and EVERYONE else who signed it. 

"I think the vast majority signed it because they didn't want a gang rapist on the football team."

But it is OK with all of you that he can walk around the campus as a NON "Student-Athlete" and go to class EVERY ******* DAY OF THE WEEK.  Are you people ******* SERIOUS???? 

And he can walk around this country with a big "Y" on his shirt or a  "YSU" on his shirt and that's NOT bringing any negativity to the university because he was in juvy for 12 months?  Once again, ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME???

Either way, he's repping YSU....pick the acceptable one.....WTF!!!!!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 08, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
This is what kills me about you and EVERYONE else who signed it. 

"I think the vast majority signed it because they didn't want a gang rapist on the football team."

But it is OK with all of you that he can walk around the campus as a NON "Student-Athlete" and go to class EVERY ******* DAY OF THE WEEK.  Are you people ******* SERIOUS???? 

And he can walk around this country with a big "Y" on his shirt or a  "YSU" on his shirt and that's NOT bringing any negativity to the university because he was in juvy for 12 months?  Once again, ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME???

Either way, he's repping YSU....pick the acceptable one.....WTF!!!!!
I don't get your point.  He can buy a damn YSU shirt anywhere.  He can buy a Cowboy shirt anywhere too, does that mean he represents the Cowboys?
You make a policy, you publish the policy, you fairly and consistantly enforce the policy.  ANYTHING ELSE THE UNIVERSITY DOES IS CRIMINAL DESCRIMINATION!  This kid plays or his YSU expericence is going to make him a lot of money.  Must be a lawyer on the blog somewhere, you want a chance to rep Richmond if YSU throws him out? 
SoupCity apparently wants total anarchy. Me?  Just a little reason. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSUinBoston on August 08, 2017, 03:24:23 PM
This is what kills me about you and EVERYONE else who signed it. 

"I think the vast majority signed it because they didn't want a gang rapist on the football team."

But it is OK with all of you that he can walk around the campus as a NON "Student-Athlete" and go to class EVERY ******* DAY OF THE WEEK.  Are you people ******* SERIOUS???? 

And he can walk around this country with a big "Y" on his shirt or a  "YSU" on his shirt and that's NOT bringing any negativity to the university because he was in juvy for 12 months?  Once again, ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME???

Either way, he's repping YSU....pick the acceptable one.....WTF!!!!!

I don't think it is particularly great that he is on campus either.  Of course, he managed to go pretty unnoticed until Pelini sought him out.

Like I said, I think it is pretty tone deaf of the program to invite a gang rapist on the team with the rape culture pervasive on college campuses, college athletics, and frankly college football.  I am repeating myself now though.  I just think with things like Baylor swirling around the NCAA that it is a bad look for YSU to act like this is "just giving a kid a chance".
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 08, 2017, 03:37:40 PM
This is what kills me about you and EVERYONE else who signed it. 

"I think the vast majority signed it because they didn't want a gang rapist on the football team."

But it is OK with all of you that he can walk around the campus as a NON "Student-Athlete" and go to class EVERY ******* DAY OF THE WEEK.  Are you people ******* SERIOUS???? 

And he can walk around this country with a big "Y" on his shirt or a  "YSU" on his shirt and that's NOT bringing any negativity to the university because he was in juvy for 12 months?  Once again, ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME???

Either way, he's repping YSU....pick the acceptable one.....WTF!!!!!

I don't think it is particularly great that he is on campus either.  Of course, he managed to go pretty unnoticed until Pelini sought him out.

Like I said, I think it is pretty tone deaf of the program to invite a gang rapist on the team with the rape culture pervasive on college campuses, college athletics, and frankly college football.  I am repeating myself now though.  I just think with things like Baylor swirling around the NCAA that it is a bad look for YSU to act like this is "just giving a kid a chance".
Why is it wroing if they are in fact "just giving a kid a chance?"  Pelini is clearly a Christian.  I don't think living what you preach is wrong, do you?  Oh sorry, we covered that, you clearly don't believe in what you say, do you?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: YSU FAN#34 on August 08, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
can we get some overseas hacker to figure out how many of the voters have been to more than 3 games in the last 10 years?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Buddy on August 08, 2017, 05:59:05 PM
This is getting ridiculous.  The kid screwed up.  I don't know him.  May be a one time thing or he is a bad kid.  I don't know.  He went to court.  Was tried.  Was convicted.  Served his time.  Finished high school.  Enrolled in college for a year. Then tries out for football.  This is how the system works. 

This is big news because it was a crime against a women.  Had it been the other way around no one would care.  Both are equally bad but society glorifies guys when raped by older women. 

The problem I see if you don't give these people a second chance then what?  Cant go to school.  Cant get a job.  Turn to crime.

Keep a close eye on the kid.  Zero tolerance for any issues.  He screws that up put him in prison for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytowngirl on August 08, 2017, 06:59:14 PM
If the military can give people a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th chances then I don't see what the big deal that he gets a 2nd chance.  I know for a fact I worked side by side with gang bangers that did awful stuff when I was in the military.  Stuff that would make this guy look like an angel.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ValleyTalk on August 08, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
Anyone see a certain person going off the rails on another website about this? Far too often nowadays people, thanks in part to the media, get so emotionally vested one way or another on issues it really clouds their judgment. With anything, people need to take a deep breath and think through these types of things rationally. You can be for or against Richmond being on the team, but good lord don't make yourself look foolish trying to argue that the world is going to cave in on Tressel, Bo, and our great university because of this decision.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 09, 2017, 12:04:37 AM
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Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: SoupCity on August 09, 2017, 08:07:42 AM
This is what kills me about you and EVERYONE else who signed it. 

"I think the vast majority signed it because they didn't want a gang rapist on the football team."

But it is OK with all of you that he can walk around the campus as a NON "Student-Athlete" and go to class EVERY ******* DAY OF THE WEEK.  Are you people ******* SERIOUS???? 

And he can walk around this country with a big "Y" on his shirt or a  "YSU" on his shirt and that's NOT bringing any negativity to the university because he was in juvy for 12 months?  Once again, ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME???

Either way, he's repping YSU....pick the acceptable one.....WTF!!!!!
I don't get your point.  He can buy a damn YSU shirt anywhere.  He can buy a Cowboy shirt anywhere too, does that mean he represents the Cowboys?
You make a policy, you publish the policy, you fairly and consistantly enforce the policy.  ANYTHING ELSE THE UNIVERSITY DOES IS CRIMINAL DESCRIMINATION!  This kid plays or his YSU expericence is going to make him a lot of money.  Must be a lawyer on the blog somewhere, you want a chance to rep Richmond if YSU throws him out? 
SoupCity apparently wants total anarchy. Me?  Just a little reason.

That is my point....exactly!!!  There are people on this website and a certain other one (AGS) who are claiming that this is bad press for YSU. I have not seen anyone say something to the effect of or complain to the President of YSU about removing him from campus.  Guess why???  Because YSU can't legally remove him from the campus.  He's done nothing wrong to this point. 

Mark my words....if this kid is removed from the football team for ANY reason now.  The NAACP, Civil Liberties Union, Rev's Al and Jesse will populate YSU like stink on sh**. 

I'm not about anarchy in any way.  My point was, removing him from the football team at this point does absolutely nothing.  Hopefully, he has been conveyed a VERY CLEAR set of rules to follow with NO exceptions.  The most minor breakage of said rules results in dismissal.....IMMEDIATELY.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: SoupCity on August 09, 2017, 08:09:13 AM
This is getting ridiculous.  The kid screwed up.  I don't know him.  May be a one time thing or he is a bad kid.  I don't know.  He went to court.  Was tried.  Was convicted.  Served his time.  Finished high school.  Enrolled in college for a year. Then tries out for football.  This is how the system works. 

This is big news because it was a crime against a women.  Had it been the other way around no one would care.  Both are equally bad but society glorifies guys when raped by older women. 

The problem I see if you don't give these people a second chance then what?  Cant go to school.  Cant get a job.  Turn to crime.

Keep a close eye on the kid.  Zero tolerance for any issues.  He screws that up put him in prison for the rest of his life.

Thank you, I agree. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 09, 2017, 10:42:42 AM
Bo won't do anything unless he's forced by JT.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 09, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
Chief thinking the same and i feel J.T. won't change his mind. The last time i checked the petition had 10,000 signatures..Just wondering when it will be delivered. I've heard some women are voting in response to Bo's comments towards Nebraska's A.D..Could this be tied in anyway?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 09, 2017, 01:40:07 PM
And I'm sure a lot of those women don't even care about football so in the end, who cares ?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on August 09, 2017, 03:35:21 PM
Chief thinking the same and i feel J.T. won't change his mind. The last time i checked the petition had 10,000 signatures..Just wondering when it will be delivered. I've heard some women are voting in response to Bo's comments towards Nebraska's A.D..Could this be tied in anyway?

Am I reading this right? The petition wants YSU to kick Richmond and Bo off the football team because of what they did before coming to YSU?

If this is true, will a petition be initiated to do background checks on all YSU students and employees prior to them coming to YSU to kick out those with unacceptable past behavior?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 09, 2017, 04:01:04 PM
Double E.T. there NOT petitioning to get rid of Bo.. I just think some that are signing against Ma'lik have Bo's comments towards Nebraska's A.D. in the back of their mind
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: go guins on August 09, 2017, 04:56:25 PM
Double E.T. there NOT petitioning to get rid of Bo.. I just think some that are signing against Ma'lik have Bo's comments towards Nebraska's A.D. in the back of their mind
If you are going to let students and community activitists pick the players on the team, why would we want to keep Bo to coach?  Let some of the petition signers coach too.  Doesn't that sound reasonable?
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 09, 2017, 08:15:22 PM
Statement from the University:




Youngstown State University takes the matter of sexual assault very seriously and continues to educate everyone within the campus community about the impact and prevention of sexual assault.
The University is fully aware of the gravity of the situation and of petitions that are circulating on social media in protest and support of one of our students, Ma’lik Richmond. We value the input of the entire YSU community and are committed to providing a safe learning environment and growth opportunities for all students, faculty and staff.
Ma’lik Richmond transferred to Youngstown State University in good standing from his prior institution for Fall 2016. After matriculating at YSU, he expressed a desire to try out for the football program. Ma’lik was advised by the coaching staff that if he integrated himself within the campus community academically and socially and completed the fall semester in good standing, further discussions could occur.
In January, Ma’lik again inquired about trying out for the team. At this time, he was permitted to participate on a tryout basis with the team, for winter workouts. At the conclusion of winter workouts, he was permitted to practice with the team as a walk-on from February to April. Ma’lik Richmond earned a spot on the 105-man roster on August 2 as a walk-on and is not receiving an athletic scholarship. He continues to be in good standing on the YSU campus.
YSU does not restrict any student’s ability to take part in extracurricular activities as long as they are in good standing with the institution. YSU believes that extracurricular activities assist in a student’s ability to succeed.
For the Fall 2017 football season, Ma’lik will not be permitted to compete in any games, but will continue to be a part of the football program as a practice player, forfeiting a year of eligibility. He will be given the opportunity to benefit from group participation, the lessons of hard work and discipline, as well as the camaraderie and guidance of the staff and teammates. He will also continue to work with the University’s director of student outreach and support who assists young men and women in becoming successful students and YSU graduates.
As a state university, YSU is fully committed to complying with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 which prohibits gender discrimination in education programs and activities, including sexual assault. The University has increased its efforts in the past years to inform, educate and prevent sexual assault and to provide services to victims of sexual assault. YSU is committed to eradicating sexual assault and educating our students beyond the classroom in order to be productive members of society.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytowngirl on August 09, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
Well I guess the protestors win.  This kid will probably quit the team now.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 09, 2017, 09:28:46 PM
So this ends up being a compromise. Lose a year of eligibility, remain in good standing and play next year
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytownchief22 on August 09, 2017, 09:36:30 PM
People STILL aren't happy. Amazing...
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Wick250 on August 09, 2017, 10:58:43 PM
This sets a very bad precedent that might haunt the university in the future.  Never sacrifice principle to please the whims of the crowd. Compromises never satisfy intolerant people.  And for the fourth time I hate to be defending this guy.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Double ET on August 09, 2017, 11:01:16 PM
People STILL aren't happy. Amazing...

Why would they be happy? To them, how dare the university follows their own policy and the laws to allow him to participate in university activities instead of kicking him out!

I am not sure he will lose a year of eligibility if he does not play this year (like being red shirted). I hope he can turn his life around. If that happens, YSU has done its job as an academic institution.
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 10, 2017, 05:34:43 AM
23 days
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 11, 2017, 05:09:51 AM
22 days!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: ytowngirl on August 11, 2017, 09:53:05 AM
If anyone has ESPN3.  They now have a MVFC Football channel.   Hopefully all YSU games will be on.  Pitt vs YSU is already showing as a game to stream. 
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: NDSUSR on August 12, 2017, 08:54:13 PM

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities. 


I read this three times and I don't see "previous violent criminal offenses" listed as one of the things YSU can't "discriminate" on.  If there is something illegal or against university policy for baring this kid from playing on the team, I haven't quite seen it yet.



The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.


 As someone who signed the petition, I can assure you I won't be signing some other petition if he manages to get kicked off the team.  Suggesting as such is silly.

If you kick this kid off the team, it believe it will be discrimination, as I don't believe he has a criminal record.  He was convicted/plead guilty as a juvenile and served his time.  I assume that has been expunged from his record.  I do know his is NOT a registered sex offender based on age and current age that has expired. 
If you don’t have a policy against, then it is OK.  No policy against previous criminal records says it does NOT come into play.  You need a previously established, and regularly and evenly enforced a policy to avoid discrimination charges.   Even having the policy, if not enforced previously leaves you exposed to charges.
This subject needs dropped, this kid deserves our support for putting up with the Vindy hatchet job and hanging in trying to improve his life.

He actually is registered.

At the time he was sentenced, Lipps ordered Richmond to register his address every six months for the next 20 years.

Lipps on Friday reduced that requirement ordering Richmond instead to register his address with authorities once a year for the next decade.

http://www.cleveland.com/steubenville-rape-case/index.ssf/2014/11/judge_reduces_sex_offender_reg.html
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: The YO Show on August 12, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
21 days!
Title: Re: COUNTDOWN TO FOOTBALL SEASON!
Post by: Buddy on August 12, 2017, 10:28:44 PM

He is a current student at YSU. YSU has the policy for EEO and non-discrimination (see university policy below)
Youngstown State University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and/or expression, disability, age, religion or veteran/military status in its programs or activities. 


I read this three times and I don't see "previous violent criminal offenses" listed as one of the things YSU can't "discriminate" on.  If there is something illegal or against university policy for baring this kid from playing on the team, I haven't quite seen it yet.



The action has to be taken based on university rules and regulations rather than emotions. If he is kick off the football team for this, somebody will either issue another petition or file a law suit against the University for Race Discrimination because he (an African American) was singled out for exclusion. I would assume some of you people (who signed the original petition) would sign this one too.


 As someone who signed the petition, I can assure you I won't be signing some other petition if he manages to get kicked off the team.  Suggesting as such is silly.

If you kick this kid off the team, it believe it will be discrimination, as I don't believe he has a criminal record.  He was convicted/plead guilty as a juvenile and served his time.  I assume that has been expunged from his record.  I do know his is NOT a registered sex offender based on age and current age that has expired. 
If you don’t have a policy against, then it is OK.  No policy against previous criminal records says it does NOT come into play.  You need a previously established, and regularly and evenly enforced a policy to avoid discrimination charges.   Even having the policy, if not enforced previously leaves you exposed to charges.
This subject needs dropped, this kid deserves our support for putting up with the Vindy hatchet job and hanging in trying to improve his life.

He actually is registered.

At the time he was sentenced, Lipps ordered Richmond to register his address every six months for the next 20 years.

Lipps on Friday reduced that requirement ordering Richmond instead to register his address with authorities once a year for the next decade.

http://www.cleveland.com/steubenville-rape-case/index.ssf/2014/11/judge_reduces_sex_offender_reg.html

The article is from 2014
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Post by: NDSUSR on August 12, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Yes its from 2014.  You do understand what a decade is right?
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Post by: Buddy on August 12, 2017, 11:16:37 PM
Yes its from 2014.  You do understand what a decade is right?

Yes but you said "Lipps on Friday....."
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Post by: NDSUSR on August 12, 2017, 11:18:35 PM
Yes its from 2014.  You do understand what a decade is right?

Yes but you said "Lipps on Friday....."


It was a quote from the posted article.  I suppose I should have used quotation marks.
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Post by: penguinpower on August 13, 2017, 02:01:25 AM
This sets a very bad precedent that might haunt the university in the future.  Never sacrifice principle to please the whims of the crowd. Compromises never satisfy intolerant people.  And for the fourth time I hate to be defending this guy.


Hello Wick....Haven't been on here in a while.  Here are my thoughts on this kid. 

He did some bad things.  Really bad.  I have thought about this considerably.  Here is where I'm at with this situation.  This kid will wear the predator badge his entire life.   It will affect him getting a job and affect his ability to be a productive member of society.  I probably would have taken matter into my own hands if it affected my family.  That being said, this person will either be a thug the rest of his life or he have a chance to change.  I guess my point is that he will either be a productive member of society or a burden.  Football may give him a second chance.  It instills the discipline needed to have that.  It is an outlet for people with troubled pasts. 

Today I had a conversation with a person from Stubenville.   Unbelievably , 29% of the girls volleyball team in Richmond Hill, Ga (an affluent suburb of Savannah) is made of up kids from NE Ohio.  They are the 3 time defending champions in volleyball here and my daughter made the 14 member team that had more than 130 try to get on it.  NE Ohio people know how to work for what they want.  Anyway, I had some YSU gear on and one of the fathers asked me about this situation and what I thought. 

At the end of the day,  I told him that he is either going to be a burden or a productive member of our society and he is young enough to change.  He told me the kid lived with foster parents and his dad was a gang member.  At least he is trying to better himself in some ways.  I think it is prudent to deal with these situations on a case by case basis.  This kid (as I understand) went to a community college and then California University of Pennsylvania with no incident.  I guess my point is that giving him a chance as an adult may be better for society than giving him the clear path to being a burden.   My understanding is that he had foster parents and never got into any other trouble outside of the incident that he will live with for the remainder of his life. 

Something to think about.  Lastly, the girl that is in question does not want to see him get kicked off the  team.  If you read the lesser published articles she does not wish him ill will.  She is a better person than me because I struggle to reason with it and may have committed a mortal sin if it was my daughter.

Finally, there are kids with just as bad or worse on campuses all over the US.  Unfortunate but true.
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 13, 2017, 08:09:21 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/youngstown-state-prez-coach-jerks-letting-richmond-team-article-1.3403403 I found this article a few days ago that came from a writer with the daily news in New York. Not very happy that 21 WFMJ Youngstown put it on their website. They also reported that Richmond got his jersey number changed from 96 to 12 and he did not show up for Thursday's practice. I have know idea if he took the day off or quit the team
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Post by: IAA Fan on August 13, 2017, 10:54:25 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/youngstown-state-prez-coach-jerks-letting-richmond-team-article-1.3403403 I found this article a few days ago that came from a writer with the daily news in New York. Not very happy that 21 WFMJ Youngstown put it on their website. They also reported that Richmond got his jersey number changed from 96 to 12 and he did not show up for Thursday's practice. I have know idea if he took the day off or quit the team

If this is from News Day, I have to laugh, everything about the guys ability to write ("jerks" ...LOL) to his opinions is so under-educated and third-rate. It is just this reason why our nation is in the trouble that it is. Why not do an article on what this kid is going to be going through the rest of his life? Yes media...why not publish something that may actually deter others from getting into the same situation in their lives.

What is my opinion on Richmond? Well I am my daughter's father. I tried to do research & their simply is not enough information, so I will go with what the judges and coaches on this one. One thing is for sure, I have done more research on this subject than the embarrassment that wrote this Junior-high article. Gee, let's not say anything more than a mention about Mays because he went to a predominantly black university.

Enough preaching ...I am heading north to Ytown tomorrow for a week of practices!!!!!
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 13, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
Agree 1AA..Safe Journey to Y-Town and please give us some reports out of practice if you get a chance!!
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Post by: Wick250 on August 13, 2017, 12:39:08 PM
Penguinpower,

Thought you would be back when football began.  Congratulations to your daughter; that was quite an accomplishment.  Your opinion about this mess makes sense.  Rational thought is always more valuable than blind emotion when dealing with complicated issues.
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Post by: guinpen on August 13, 2017, 08:34:30 PM
Got my tics on Sat, ready to rock
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Post by: The YO Show on August 14, 2017, 06:06:23 AM
19 days
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Post by: go guins on August 14, 2017, 09:31:10 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/youngstown-state-prez-coach-jerks-letting-richmond-team-article-1.3403403 I found this article a few days ago that came from a writer with the daily news in New York. Not very happy that 21 WFMJ Youngstown put it on their website. They also reported that Richmond got his jersey number changed from 96 to 12 and he did not show up for Thursday's practice. I have know idea if he took the day off or quit the team


Enough preaching ...I am heading north to Ytown tomorrow for a week of practices!!!!!
Looking forward to your reports! 
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Post by: The YO Show on August 15, 2017, 10:46:18 PM
18
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Post by: penguinpower on August 16, 2017, 01:51:46 AM
What I like about this team is expectations.  Period.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 16, 2017, 06:19:55 AM
17
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Post by: IAA Fan on August 19, 2017, 04:28:43 PM
I was at a few practices this week and today's scrimmage and I have so many little things that I noticed. I was trying to take notes/

Here are just some general observations.

-I did not see a large gap between the 1's and 2's today. That could be good or bad.

-Nathan Mays is clearly #2, but I do not even recognize Wells. Montgomery was calling QB motion on just about every play today. I liked Hunters 1st, 2nd and 3-series and he fell back into old habits in the 4th & threw an INT. That "QB Keeper" by Mays was outstanding, he almost walked in from 5-yards out. I had no idea that he even had the ball. Welcome aboard Craycraft. Very confident and clearly trying to show what he can do. I think that is the first time I have ever seen the 3's get a second series. There was several staffer's saying that Craycraft's camp has been exceptional and all the talk that they we considering him outside of QB has stopped. Collins is built, I hope he works out. Bishop Hartley pedigree is hard to pass up.

-At safety, I am surprised to see Kyle Hegedus take all the reps at S today, but I latter found out that Warfield had a family issue and is out of camp for a day or 2. Kyle is very good, but not always properly positioned between receiver and QB Really more of a SS, where Warfield plays more like a FS. If Kyle does not win the starting job he will still have a great deal of playing time.

-Breathing a little better at night after seeing the TB's in camp. No clear standout as of yet. McCaster is still solid. Turner is a stud, he and McNutt are going to be tough to bring down. As a couple of you have noted, it is all going to be up to the OL.

- Several down-linemen working both 1 & 2 today ...I do not know how to read that.. Lots of new blood though. We look very deep at OG

Durkin was strong at TE today. Though not as tall as others, he has very strong arms & knows where the ball is.

I will write more after I look over my notes. I have some photos, including Mays' keeper. Unfortunately I was using Evernote, with voice over & it did not seem to be automatically-updating as it is supposed to. SO I lost several notes on the number of series on 1 and 2. SO I need to go through the images to get the jersey numbers. I think I have enough to get most both squads.

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Post by: The YO Show on August 19, 2017, 04:42:13 PM
Thanks for the observations IAA. We are now 14 days away. Looking forward to your further observations.
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 19, 2017, 09:31:48 PM
Kyle just got cleared from his ACL tear on the first day of fall camp. He's a solid player though. Was Powell out there at safety with the starters I wonder or did something happen ? Thought he and NH would be starters back there for sure.
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Post by: IAA Fan on August 20, 2017, 04:37:00 PM
Kyle just got cleared from his ACL tear on the first day of fall camp. He's a solid player though. Was Powell out there at safety with the starters I wonder or did something happen ? Thought he and NH would be starters back there for sure.

You know I do recall seeing #2, but need to get the disk loaded to see if he was a 1 or a 2.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 20, 2017, 10:36:17 PM
13 days
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Post by: The YO Show on August 21, 2017, 01:12:23 AM
12 days
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Post by: NDSUSR on August 21, 2017, 08:44:58 PM
Man whats up with Richmonds family?
Todays events make this a crazy situation.
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Post by: goodnews on August 21, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
Pretty sure the petition most likely contributed to todays events.  I'm sure the father was upset that the actions of his son will follow him the rest of his life. 
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Post by: robmat2571 on August 21, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
What were todays events regarding Richmonds family?
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Post by: robmat2571 on August 21, 2017, 09:18:17 PM
Nevermind, I found the info on the Vindicators site. 
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 21, 2017, 10:04:19 PM
Has nothing to do with football. The man had his own problems with that judge. Nothing had to do with Malik. Let's move on here.
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Post by: go guins on August 22, 2017, 08:27:16 AM
Pretty sure the petition most likely contributed to todays events.  I'm sure the father was upset that the actions of his son will follow him the rest of his life.
"goodnews"??? this is amazingly negative and 100% speculative.  You're sure???  What it the world makes your sure of what Richmond was thinking.  This judge wasn't Mi'lik's judge so how could you be sure?
That petition was ill conceived and very damaging to one Richmond, but there is no evidence it affected the father.   
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Post by: The YO Show on August 22, 2017, 04:16:56 PM
11 days
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Post by: The YO Show on August 23, 2017, 01:31:26 PM
10 days
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Post by: The YO Show on August 24, 2017, 09:22:33 AM
9 days! We are in the single digits
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 24, 2017, 10:13:40 AM
Just wondering if anyone knows the overall health of the team..I heard there was a possible knee injury with one of our linebackers hopefully this is not true
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Post by: NDSUSR on August 24, 2017, 09:39:54 PM
Pretty sure the petition most likely contributed to todays events.  I'm sure the father was upset that the actions of his son will follow him the rest of his life.
"goodnews"??? this is amazingly negative and 100% speculative.  You're sure???  What it the world makes your sure of what Richmond was thinking.  This judge wasn't Mi'lik's judge so how could you be sure?
That petition was ill conceived and very damaging to one Richmond, but there is no evidence it affected the father.

The news is reporting that the father thought the judge had thrown out the wrongful death lawsuit.  Apparently he did not understand it was just a motion to dismiss.  He was reportedly very pissed off about that.  He was also very mad about the petition and his son not getting to play.  Cumulative factors = snapped.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 25, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
8 days
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Post by: The YO Show on August 26, 2017, 05:11:19 AM
1 week away  ;D
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Post by: The YO Show on August 27, 2017, 05:01:27 AM
6 days
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Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on August 27, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
Watched the kickoff classic between two top ten teams Jacksonville St. and Chattanooga..We would handle either one of those teams with ease
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Post by: IAA Fan on August 27, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
nice coverage is what I noticed. UTC offense was terrible. JSU could not stop any kind of quality running team.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 28, 2017, 05:13:27 AM
5 days!
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Post by: ytownchief22 on August 28, 2017, 09:14:09 AM
Getting excited ladies and gents.
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Post by: The YO Show on August 28, 2017, 08:30:20 PM
I know! I just want it to be Saturday already!  fb
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Post by: The YO Show on August 29, 2017, 01:24:45 AM
4 days
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Post by: go guins on August 29, 2017, 08:25:14 AM
4 days
This waiting is ridiculous!  From now on, I vote we start with a Thursday night game!
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Post by: The YO Show on August 30, 2017, 01:22:10 PM
It would be happening in 1 day instead of 3 more if that was the case go. Kinda wish it was tonight even though!!!
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Post by: go guins on August 30, 2017, 01:31:54 PM
It would be happening in 1 day instead of 3 more if that was the case go. Kinda wish it was tonight even though!!!
Tomorrow we have Browns Buckeyes and Stealers (spelling intentional) plus Indians-Yankees, to take our minds off the wait.  Friday will be a long day.  Guess I'll have to play golf instead of work to keep my mind occupied!?
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Post by: The YO Show on August 31, 2017, 12:03:58 AM
2 days!
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Post by: The YO Show on September 01, 2017, 12:26:09 AM
1 day away!
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Post by: go guins on September 01, 2017, 08:49:59 AM
Glad to see this thread end. NOT because I don't appreciate YO efforts, because I do appreciate it,  THANKS YO!  I'm glad to see it end but because the season is about to start!  GO PENGUINS!!
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Post by: Double ET on September 01, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
Glad to see this thread end. NOT because I don't appreciate YO efforts, because I do appreciate it,  THANKS YO!  I'm glad to see it end but because the season is about to start!  GO PENGUINS!!
Glad that the game is finally here.... Driving down to Pitt tomorrow with my rain gear...paid $25 for a ticket for seat behind the YSU bench among the hostile crowd (especially if YSU is winning).
Go penguins.
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Post by: The YO Show on September 01, 2017, 01:50:10 PM
haha thanks Go! Yeah I'm stoked the game is less than 24 hours away myself too. This is the best part of the countdown!  fb