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Hoping a new thread will help focus on who the next coach will be.
A proven D1 coach is no doubt out of the question due to money.
Please please please stay away from a lower division coach. May find a diamond now and then but usually they are at a lower division for a reason.
As I have posted before, go out find a young Wooden, enjoy a 3-4 year ride and after a big-time program grabs him, do it again.
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The Akron fans are talking more about our hire than we are!
http://zipsnation.org/forums/topic/37190-jerry-slocum-retires-from-ysu-gary-waters-retires-from-csu/
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The only lower division coach I would take is Fuline. Young guy, coached Massillon Jackson to a state title and now leads Mount Union. Really good recruiter, knows the area.
Same can be said about McFadden, although he doesn't have the head coaching experience.
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Sorry guys but I don't care about non-phsyical sports like basketball. Hate the sport. Boxing and football is where it's at. Too bad boxing has so many fixed situations.
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The only lower division coach I would take is Fuline. Young guy, coached Massillon Jackson to a state title and now leads Mount Union. Really good recruiter, knows the area.
Same can be said about McFadden, although he doesn't have the head coaching experience.
This is the difference. I could care less about someone HS success, this is DI college basketball yet we look at someone prep background? Let him go back. If you want a real small college guy, not that I do, then take a look at someone like Siroki over in Westminster. Player and coach at the international level. At least he has an upside.
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IAA, I don't get your disparaging comments regarding HS coaching. Good coaches win wherever they coach. Bad ones lose wherever they coach. Many great college coaches have had success in HS and smaller colleges. It is a GREAT hunting ground for a go getter!
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Read John Vargo's column online in today's Tribune Chronicle. He makes a compelling case for what the university should do.
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Read John Vargo's column online in today's Tribune Chronicle. He makes a compelling case for what the university should do.
Interesting. A lot of good points.
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This will be the most important hire in the history of the men's program....and it must be done swiftly...do we value the importance of the program or continue to fail...it starts and ends with recruiting....we cannot continue to recruit jc guys that do not start much less play at all while also getting kids to commit to 4 years...its past the time to straighten this thing out
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I thought John Vargo's article was from the heart and echo's my feelings. I am proud to be a YSU and Pitt grad and still have ties in the area. Everyone I known in the area has quit following YSU MBB. The YSU MBB program is in a state of apathy and needs a JT type coach to revive the program that has generated very little interest.
Sports give universities exposure to the nation and the MBB program is totally inept, so a good coach can be like a shining star for the university. Yes, it costs money, but you get what you pay for.
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Read John Vargo's column online in today's Tribune Chronicle. He makes a compelling case for what the university should do.
Well written.
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1 AA we seem to rarely agree, but this time I am with you. Need college experience as a head coach or assistant. I like Siroki, but a concern is this his first winning year there. But he has been around, and does have the international. I honestly don't think he has a chance, but that kid of guy.
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This will be the most important hire in the history of the men's program....and it must be done swiftly...do we value the importance of the program or continue to fail...it starts and ends with recruiting....we cannot continue to recruit jc guys that do not start much less play at all while also getting kids to commit to 4 years...its past the time to straighten this thing out
This will be the most important hire in the history of the men's program
I think the hiring after the Dan Peters hiring after the abysmal failures of Jim Cleamons and John Stroia was at least as important
and it must be done swiftly
I definitely disagree, it must be done correctly is FAR more important than quickly.
it starts and ends with recruiting...
It starts with recruiting, but if definitely doesn’t end with recruiting. You complain about Slocum bringing in good players and then losing them to a transfer. That is NOT ending with recruiting. Development, esprit de coup etc. all are major factors.
we cannot continue to recruit jc guys that do not start much less play
or don’t play, much less start?
at all while also getting kids to commit to 4 years...
Wake up, this is the real world of 2017. Many many don’t stay 4 years. The football team loses in the teens every year. Don't worry about things you can't do much about
its past the time to straighten this thing out
Does that mean it too late and so we don’t do anything or do you mean it is now time to straighten this thing out?
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Read John Vargo's column online in today's Tribune Chronicle. He makes a compelling case for what the university should do.
Article is spot on
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It is THE most important hire because apathy of the fans days so...no one goes to games because no one cares...it has never been this bad and if you cannot see that I feel bad for you...this program is at a crossroad....it cannot hire someone that recruits jc players that cannot play....we have had an inordinate amount of players leave this program and it sure isn't because of the lure of the NBA or Europe...10 losing seasons in 12 years is just plain pathetic...have we even had one recruiting class stay together til their eligibility was up? Not for a while...how do you build a program if guys don't stay long enough to improve...i maintain we will never have a more important hire than this one
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I have been a season ticket holder since 1982. I attended exactly two men's games this season. Simply could not stand to watch my team play no defense whatsoever. Since I became apathetic, I could just imagine the disinterest among casual fans. This is the most important hire of the DI era. Mess this hire up and we will have passed the point of no return.
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I like the article as well. However, Slocum was not a bad coach and we are going to be lucky to get someone of that caliber; so obviously a lot more than a new coach is needed at YSU. So what does everyone think it is? We don't need any bashing, this is a serious question.
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IAA, I don't get your disparaging comments regarding HS coaching. Good coaches win wherever they coach. Bad ones lose wherever they coach. Many great college coaches have had success in HS and smaller colleges. It is a GREAT hunting ground for a go getter!
I am sorry, but the jump from HS to DI college should be far, far too much to make. If not your program is in trouble.
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I like the article as well. However, Slocum was not a bad coach and we are going to be lucky to get someone of that caliber; so obviously a lot more than a new coach is needed at YSU. So what does everyone think it is? We don't need any bashing, this is a serious question.
A good coach does not lose more than 50% of his games. Facts are facts. We need a younger coach who can relate to these kids more and have a real passion for the community and for this program. Slocum looked and sounded like he'd rather be down in Florida on the beach.
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IAA, I don't get your disparaging comments regarding HS coaching. Good coaches win wherever they coach. Bad ones lose wherever they coach. Many great college coaches have had success in HS and smaller colleges. It is a GREAT hunting ground for a go getter!
I am sorry, but the jump from HS to DI college should be far, far too much to make. If not your program is in trouble.
And I continue to disagree. A good coach wins at AAU all the way through the NBA.
John Wooden whet from South Bend Central High to Indiana State University for one. I think that worked out OK.
Among others that started their coaching careers in High School:
John Beliein, Michigan
Tom Izzo, MSU
Steve Fisher San Diego State
Roy Williams, NC
Mark Few, Gonzaga
Get the right guy from a coaching standpoint and he can lean whatever else he needs as YSU. You get a .500 coach from anywhere, even the NBA and put him at YSU and you know what you get? A .500 record. take a 20-2 high school coach and what do you get? 20-10 at YSU.
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At one time I thought this could've been a possibility..hire h.s. coach Brian Danilov when Dan Peters left...Brians passion for coach g was over the top and I honestly felt he could've sold snow to the Eskimos...i see he is now an asst at Westminster...im not saying to do this but back then....
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I like the article as well. However, Slocum was not a bad coach and we are going to be lucky to get someone of that caliber; so obviously a lot more than a new coach is needed at YSU. So what does everyone think it is? We don't need any bashing, this is a serious question.
A good coach does not lose more than 50% of his games. Facts are facts. We need a younger coach who can relate to these kids more and have a real passion for the community and for this program. Slocum looked and sounded like he'd rather be down in Florida on the beach.
So you are putting it all on the coaching hire? You know that we could hire Mickey mouse and will have an initial tick up in fan interest. However, if that is it, then we will be having the same conversation again in 3-4 years of no success. FYI players like our staff so I do not buy it. Slocum's attitude toward the media is what it is ...I don't care. Pelini's is far worse, but the media gives him slack because he wins. MBB's community involvement is strong. So again I ask what the university needs to do (besides the new HC) to make the program successful?
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I would prefer someone in late 30's or 40's, still working their way up the ladder, rather than a coach who is established and older. I think if you hire the right guy, he will be 3-6 years, and that is what you want.
He would build a program, and take a better job, that is the way it works. Barnes won't be here forever, and Bob Boldon before him made a name for himself, and moved on. Tressel was the exception, staying 15 years and all those championships.
Head coach at YSU is a move up the ladder. I have heard that Ron Strollo wants head coaching experience, but I wouldn't eliminate all assistants. I don't know if Rickey McFadden at Akron is the right fit, but based on experience and being at a winning program, I would think he deserves an interview.
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If Mike Rice Jr. is/or would be interested YSU needs to hire him. YSU needs more than a shot in the arm they need to WIN now. I know this comes with baggage but so do a lot of the other employees of this university. Winning cures all right?
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If Mike Rice Jr. is/or would be interested YSU needs to hire him. YSU needs more than a shot in the arm they need to WIN now. I know this comes with baggage but so do a lot of the other employees of this university. Winning cures all right?
No thanks. We have enough baggage with our president and football coach. Do not need anymore lol.
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Mike can recruit his behind off...did great a Rob Morris recruiting kids to a little high school gym...itd be an ESPN story giving a guy a second chance...Akron went out on a limb for Dambrodt don't forget
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If Mike Rice Jr. is/or would be interested YSU needs to hire him. YSU needs more than a shot in the arm they need to WIN now. I know this comes with baggage but so do a lot of the other employees of this university. Winning cures all right?
No thanks. We have enough baggage with our president and football coach. Do not need anymore lol.
If you call Tattoogate and Pelini going off like many coaches baggage, what do you call Pitino, Sandusky, Baylor, etc??? ::)
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If Mike Rice Jr. is/or would be interested YSU needs to hire him. YSU needs more than a shot in the arm they need to WIN now. I know this comes with baggage but so do a lot of the other employees of this university. Winning cures all right?
No thanks. We have enough baggage with our president and football coach. Do not need anymore lol.
If you call Tattoogate and Pelini going off like many coaches baggage, what do you call Pitino, Sandusky, Baylor, etc??? ::)
Those programs are winners regardless. This men's basketball program is at its lowest point and can't afford any extra baggage.
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If Mike Rice Jr. is/or would be interested YSU needs to hire him. YSU needs more than a shot in the arm they need to WIN now. I know this comes with baggage but so do a lot of the other employees of this university. Winning cures all right?
No thanks. We have enough baggage with our president and football coach. Do not need anymore lol.
If you call Tattoogate and Pelini going off like many coaches baggage, what do you call Pitino, Sandusky, Baylor, etc??? ::)
Those programs are winners regardless. This men's basketball program is at its lowest point and can't afford any extra baggage.
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The program cant afford ON THE JOB TRAINING..... The program needs to overcome losing and cant afford 3 or 4 years ... The sports world is instant gratification. I think the decision makers realize that and need to act accordingly....
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This certainly is a dilemma. Do we hire a young assistant who demonstrates great promise but might have to experience growing pains? Or do we hire a retread who might win over half the games but then leave for a more lucrative job at the earliest opportunity? I am torn but also realize that quick fixes do not always work very well in any occupation.
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Whats the expectation for the program? As is? Be in middle of pack in HOrizon and occassionally compete for championship? Be competitive for championship most years? How that question is answered determines how much is spent on a coach and who is gone after.
Second, who are the comparables to YSU---FCS regional state universivties in low mid major basketball conferences. HOw much do competitive basketball programs spend compared to YSU? Is YSU about the same? Above or significantly below them?
These are rhetorical questions mostly, but presumably the powers that be are asking them as they go forward. The answers should define the search not wish lists of coaches.
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SDSU and NDSU are obviously very competitive in FCS football. They both have been to the NCAA tournament 3 times in the last decade. Summit league is probably just about on par with the horizon league now. There is absolutely no reason YSU can't have a competitive basketball program with a chance to get into the tournament. This year was the first time we've even been in the conference tournament semi finals in awhile! It is mind blowing to me. You watch all these cinderella teams everywhere make the tournament. We can't sniff it...
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Derrick Kellog let go at UMass...players highly upset...we better jump on him immediately to gauge his intetest...his record and recruiting ability doesn't seem to warrant his dismissal...somebody will get a good young coach...why not us?
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Whats the expectation for the program? As is? Be in middle of pack in HOrizon and occassionally compete for championship? Be competitive for championship most years? How that question is answered determines how much is spent on a coach and who is gone after.
Second, who are the comparables to YSU---FCS regional state universivties in low mid major basketball conferences. HOw much do competitive basketball programs spend compared to YSU? Is YSU about the same? Above or significantly below them?
These are rhetorical questions mostly, but presumably the powers that be are asking them as they go forward. The answers should define the search not wish lists of coaches.
I do not expect to win the league every year but now and then would be great. the league is not what it used to be, which is good for us. With our schedule I expect 20 plus wins
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They need a coach that will teach them offense and DEFENSE.
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They need a coach that will teach them offense and DEFENSE.
And making FT.
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Per Ryan Allison at WKBN:
I'm hearing YSU has serious interest in Akron assistant and Struthers grad Rick McFadden about their head coaching position.
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Liked McFadden since the beginning. Get it done Strollo.
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I'm with The Chief. He knows what's what.
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Coach from D2 Fairmont St I think is in play Calhoun is from Cleveland area
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Coach from D2 Fairmont St I think is in play Calhoun is from Cleveland area
I know nothing about the guy but I hope not. A D2 guy may be the best ever but I think that a D1 assistant would have a better understanding of the required talent for this level.
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http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20170308
Read this article I would bite on this tireless recruiter has D1 experience.
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WFMJ reported on their website today that they expect the salary for the new coach will be "more than $200k." That is a substantial increase over what we paid Slocum, and it should help to attract better candidates. That figure would still place us at or near the bottom of Horizon League coaching salaries.
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Per Dan Hiner if the Vindy:
"Ball State assistant coach Danny Peters, son of former YSU men's bball coach Dan Peters, is a candidate for YSU's vacant head coach position"
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Danny Peters has a bright future, but he has no shot at getting the YSU job at this point of his career. Strollo wants someone with head coaching experience, although McFadden will likely get an interview.
Strollo does like Calhoun from Fairmont State. He has done a great job there in just 5 years.
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After doing some research on candidates I really hope Calhoun from Fairmont St pushes for the job...he seems a perfect fit
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Interesting they noted they want head coaching experience. Would mean McFadden would probably not get the job, which would be a mistake.
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Interesting they noted they want head coaching experience. Would mean McFadden would probably not get the job, which would be a mistake.
Jerry Slocum before YSU, successful head coach. Obviously that is the only way to go! Meet the person, talk to the person, get to know their goals and methods. Pick the best person you can for the job. NO preconceved ideas as to who or what. Otherwise you lose, and WE lose.
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Does anybody know the complete list of applicants so far?
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Does anybody know the complete list of applicants so far?
I think it's a little too early for that. If I had to guess from what I've heard.
McFadden
Calhoun
Fuline
Peters
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Does anybody know the complete list of applicants so far?
I think it's a little too early for that. If I had to guess from what I've heard.
McFadden
Calhoun
Fuline
Peters
5 will get you 10 the next MBB HC isn't on this blogger's list!
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To amplify the point that jbags made, Calhoun indeed seems like a perfect fit. Here are some credentials, courtesy of a former poster who was the best researcher this board ever had:
-native of northeastern Ohio
-DI assistant under Bob Huggins at WVU
-76% winning percentage at Fairmont State (117-36.)
-stayed at that DII program for five years, suggesting he would, if successful, give us at least that.
-in his mid-thirties. Young enough to be ambitious and not complacent.
He is now at the top of my list, with McFadden second.
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I do think McFadden and Calhoun will get interviews. There is a lot I don't know. but what I do know is that Peters and Fuline have no shot, and will not be interviewed. Peters about 5 years from getting a D-1 job, and Fuline not even in the discussion.
I couldn't agree more, no preconceived plan, whether a D-1 assistant or current D-2 head coach, hire the best guy, much of that can be determined during the interview.
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I think Calhoun is a no brainer if he wants the job...unless a prominent alum pushes for McFadden...dark horse Pat Beilein and Derrick Kellogg
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I wonder if John Groce would have any interest, or if he will go back to OSU? Around .500 at Illinois, but had success at OU.
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I think Calhoun is a no brainer if he wants the job...unless a prominent alum pushes for McFadden...dark horse Pat Beilein and Derrick Kellogg
Forget Kellogg. He can't do anything at UMass in a basketball rich state.
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Think that I heard Joe Lombardi's name on the radio today. Interesting candidate, plenty of D1 assistant experience. And a 726 winning percentage at D2 Indiana.
Not to mention his ties to YSU. A bit older maybe mid 50s.
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I would take Calhoun. Still like McFadden as my favorite.
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Plain Dealer mentions Calhoun..Donlon..Ford...Groce..and Jermaine Kimbrough...no Jent....also..we need someone younger than Lombardi..if we go a guy in his 50's it better be a bigger name from D1....gut feeling tells me McFadden gets it...hope this doesn't mess up recruiting...like they say ..recruiting is like shaving..do it every day or you look like a bum
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Pomona-Pitzer: 76–129 in 8 seasons.
Know what that is? It's the head coaching experience of one Gregg Popovich before getting the head job with the Spurs! You don't make silly artificial rules. You interview the guy. Find out about his methods, goals, expectations etc. and hire the best person for the job.
What you guys are describing here is the same methodology that got us Slocum, Robic, Peters, Stroia and Cleamons. How has that been working out for us? Remember that definition of insanity: doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result!
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My gut feeling is Lombardi is Slocum 2.0 so no thanks. I would personally like someone younger.
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My gut feeling is Lombardi is Slocum 2.0 so no thanks. I would personally like someone younger.
Yep, nothing like a public institution of higher learning violating a ton of state and federal laws as well as the US Constitution! We need young guys, not the old (good grief he is mid 50s!) guys like Popovich and Belichick that are obviously too old to coach!
Let's hope the "powers that be" use their judgment and not follow a bunch of artificial rules!
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First of all let's set the record straight on Popovich...his record stunk at Pomona and the only reason he got to San Antonio as an assistant was his past connection with Larry Brown who hired him when he needed a job...hung around and was their GM before he basically named himself head coach ...YSU has tried 2 D1 assistant and 2 D2 successful head coaches..none has really worked out...what other options do we have? What else can we Do? Hire a successful D1 head coach? Explain how that happens..its all connections and I don't understand hearing Slocums recommendations ..why? So we can continue our losing pattern? I have a good idea..lets hire Popovicj so he can prove he can coach at the collegiate level...Akron rolled the dice on a tainted guy...lets hire Rice Jr and follow that pattern..we haven't tried that yet
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If we are letting Slocum dictate decisions on the new hire, I lose the little respect I have left for the athletic administration.
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Strollo (and no one else) will hire the best candidate that he can for the resources available.
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Your head is in the sand...strings pulled and favors owed are always in place...there are still people with say so that care about the program
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Your head is in the sand...strings pulled and favors owed are always in place...there are still people with say so that care about the program
Head is not in the sand, pulling strings is part of the process. The people that owe favors and have clout are the ones that get us a better candidate and hopefully improve resources. That does not change the fact that Strollo is going to make the hire with the best candidate that he can given resources.
Outside of Strollo, 90% of those involved will not be involved until Strollo has presented them with candidates. The other 10% are intimate with and respectful of Strollo.
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I remember how they hired Slocum..they paraded guys in front of the media which I found kind of strange..i just hope a better grouping of candidates is interested this time around...and I don't know if that's a good way of going about it...i hope recruiting doesn't suffer...we need some kids to come in and help immediately...especially inside..the cupboard is bare
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Fairmont State advanced to the quarterfinals of the D2 tournament as the number 1 seed. The D2 quarterfinals, semifinals, and championship game are all this week, ending on March 25. If Calhoun is being pursued by us, or by CSU, expect some action in the search after the 25th.
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Fairmont State advanced to the quarterfinals of the D2 tournament as the number 1 seed. The D2 quarterfinals, semifinals, and championship game are all this week, ending on March 25. If Calhoun is being pursued by us, or by CSU, expect some action in the search after the 25th.
I hope we are not competing against CSU. Since they do not have a football program, they probably have a much larger MBB budget. Do we know how much are they paying for their HC right now?
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CSU was paying Waters roughly 2x what you were paying Slocum. It was something like 450K a year
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CSU was paying Waters roughly 2x what you were paying Slocum. It was something like 450K a year
Thanks for the info. If YSU and CSU are going for the same guy, YSU Needs plan B and plan C. Does Wright State need a HC also? If yes, then YSU also needs plan D.
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Timing and Luck are not on YSU's side. By bringing back Slocum last year will probably cost us Calhoun to CSU. He would have been a perfect fit here. It depends on CSU if they want the glamour hire or Calhoun. The new AD has ties to many coaches at CSU, while ours has really no network to lean on. According to Dana Balash CSU wanted to cut back some on the coach salary I think they still owe waters money. Let's see what we are left with.
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I'll leave this right here:
National Prep Hoops @HoopReview 15h15 hours ago
I'm hearing Jarrod Calhoun is a lock for the Youngstown State job @YSUsports @YSUMensHoops
National Prep Hoops @HoopReview 15h15 hours ago
Jermaine Kimbrough is the clear front runner ( internally )for the Cleveland State job. @CSUVikingsHoops @CSU_Athletics
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Per sources, interested and perhaps early favorites, but yet to apply as they are still playing:
Rick McFadden, Akron Asst - Recruiting Coordinator
Jarrod Calhoun, Fairmont State Head Coach
Per WFMJ (http://www.wfmj.com/story/34958187/so-far-10-apply-for-ysu-mens-coaching-job), the following have formally applied:
LaShun McDaniel, can't find much on this candidate
David Ragland, Valpo Assistant
David Smith, Methodist University Head Coach
Daniel Sancomb, Wheeling Jesuit Head Coach
Dylan Howard, Morehead State Associate Head Coach
David Buchanan, Drake Director of Basketball Operations
Scott Sorenson, Northland College Head Coach
Michael Greant, (Think this is Grant and he was just let go as Coppin State head coach)
Mike Mahon, can't find much on this candidate
Dane Fischer, Buckner Associate Head Coach
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Better hope applications continue to arrive.... Dane Fischer from Bucknell would be my pick out of this list....
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Better hope applications continue to arrive.... Dane Fischer from Bucknell would be my pick out of this list....
One Horizon League fan that doesn't like YSU in the league, PantherU, is tweeting up a storm in strong support of Dave Buchanan. Has some great things to say of him.
Still think Calhoun and McFadden are favorites and will formally apply once their seasons conclude.
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My .02 worth...
LaShun McDaniel: Has lots of experience but has not paid his dues in the collegiate ranks. The guy from Westminster at least has 6-years of D-III to go with his European stints. Although McDaniel does have ABA experience.
Ragland: No direction. Too many stops with no cear direction up.
Smith: Did he not just resign from YSU?
Sancomb: Never been anywhere else, but you have to respect what he has done there at Wheeling. Worry about DI vision and recruiting.
Dylan Howard: Don't know enough about him. Love the program though.
David Buchanan: Is he far enough removed from the HS game? Everything is positive about him. Good program, and two good teams in WI. Could really help recruiting.
Scott Sorenson: Like Buchanan, seems to be doing a lot recently but is he ready?
Michael Greant: If it is Grant, losing to Howard they is what cost him his job.However at 51, I expect more.
Mike Mahon: There used to be a big time player over in Cinci...could be him, not sure.
Dane Fischer: I think they mean Bucknell. He is as ready as he is ever going to be. I do not know anything about his game.
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Dave Buchanan is most definitely not the DOBO at Drake, he was a full assistant coach. Beat us in recruiting a couple times.
There's a reason I'm pitching him. I think this conference is by and large stuck with each other, and the only way this conference gets good enough for multiple bids is if the bottom programs get better.
Buchanan also was a head coach in D-III for 7 years. He's the best of both worlds - experienced as HC and experienced as AC. Lower division AND mid-major assistant. Strong X's and O's coach AND strong recruiter.
He picks the right assistant job at a high-major or mid-major this offseason, YSU won't get a shot at him again.
I found him on LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/coachbuchanan
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Like Calhoun out of everyone.
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Calhoun better apply
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I could care less about basketball. Will we ever make the Tournament and be competitive? I see everything in basketball as a series of compromises because we do not have the facilities to attract the best.
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Strollo targeted Calhoun from the beginning. His Fairmont State team in the elite 8 of Division 2. When their season ends, look for Strollo to offer him the job, and I would think Calhoun would accept.
I think the only thing that could be an issue is if Cleveland State offers him. But from what I have been reading and hearing, Cleveland State not all that interested.
Calhoun right now the overwhelming favorite to get the YSU job. Whether we agree or not, Strollo has been, and his determined to hire someone with coaching experience. McFadden will not get this job. He has interviewed, or at least will. But that is to please those in town with influence who are pushing hard for McFadden.
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http://www.wfmj.com/story/34958187/so-far-10-apply-for-ysu-mens-coaching-job (http://www.wfmj.com/story/34958187/so-far-10-apply-for-ysu-mens-coaching-job)
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you know what bothers me? we are in the middle of spring football and all I read on this blog is idle speculation on the next MBB HC. who cares about MBB anyway? you ALL (with the exception of IA) say you don't care about it and yet you speculate endlessly about the next HC. hire somebody, let him have 2 years to recruit and coach and let's see where we are, otherwise, what's up with real sports.....IE: FOOTBALL!
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you know what bothers me? we are in the middle of spring football and all I read on this blog is idle speculation on the next MBB HC. who cares about MBB anyway? you ALL (with the exception of IA) say you don't care about it and yet you speculate endlessly about the next HC. hire somebody, let him have 2 years to recruit and coach and let's see where we are, otherwise, what's up with real sports.....IE: FOOTBALL!
Then don't comment on this thread. Some of us actually like basketball, and this program resurrected back from the dead. Spring football is a quiet time. It ramps back up right before the start of fall camp. Relax.
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The university offers 17 intercollegiate sports for men and women. I care about ALL of them, and I want as many of those as possible to be successful.
Again, I reject the widely held theory that football and basketball are in competition with each other. If the three revenue sports thrive, everybody benefits. People are happy and their attention is fixed upon the university from September into March.
I attended five men's basketball games during the past two seasons, completely turned off by the incompetence of the current staff. I want to go to ALL the men's basketball games. That is why I have an intense interest and concern for this hiring process.
Since1990,
I sure hope that you are correct. On paper, Calhoun fulfills every single item on our coaching checklist. We should know by next week.
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Then don't comment on this thread. Some of us actually like basketball, and this program resurrected back from the dead. Spring football is a quiet time. It ramps back up right before the start of fall camp. Relax.
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MBB used to be a GREAT game. Until the "one and done" ruined the big game and the lack of a IAA level for the YSUs of the world left us in a no man's land with nothing to really shoot at for a national tournament. Now it has the same level of interest and importance to university life as women’s bowling or track.
You seem a little condescending here aren't you? Just trying to stimulate some addition posts. I’ll relax when I’m damn good and ready to relax. (Beginning Friday on a 2 week golf vacation to Hilton Head)
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I had season tickets in the mid to late 90's before I had to give them up when the kids got busy with school activities. Now that I have more time and JS is gone, I am looking forward to purchasing season tickets again. I also believe with the right coach YSU will be competitive year in and year out in the Horizon.
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I also believe with the right coach YSU will be competitive year in and year out in the Horizon.
Sounds kind of "Captain Obvious" to me. Of course "with the right coach" we will be competitive. The question is; will we get the right coach? AND I guarantee I will know the answer and be happy to share it with you all! (In 2-3 years!) Before that it is all idle speculation.
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I hate to say this, but who cares about MBB! I've haven't seen YSU good teams in years and years. Strollo says they will have a nationwide search for the MBB head coach. He really means within a 75 mile radius. IF we are going to have a successful team, the search should be truly nationwide.
I still remember good and exciting teams in the 60's and 70's where it was fun to go to YSU games.
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I hate to say this, but who cares about MBB! I've haven't seen YSU good teams in years and years. Strollo says they will have a nationwide search for the MBB head coach. He really means within a 75 mile radius. IF we are going to have a successful team, the search should be truly nationwide.
I still remember good and exciting teams in the 60's and 70's where it was fun to go to YSU games.
Fairmont State is outside 75 miles! In fact, when I look down the list of prospects from the paper, I see most outside 75 miles. You are going back to the high school gym days here, and while the teams were good for what Div. II, the facilities weren't like a high school, they WERE a high school. Like me, you're just getting old! Memories get better than it actually was!
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you can not run a D1 basketball program on a D2 budget.
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you can not run a D1 basketball program on a D2 budget.
Nor can you run a D1 MBB program on distilled peanut oil, but what's that got to do with the price if tea in China? If you are implying we aren't paying enough, I would make the case we are in fact running a D1 program on the current budget, albeit not a very successful one, but we are D1. Second, while we are far from the top budget, I'll bet you a couple bucks we are not the lowest either.
If you point is we will need to pay a new head coach more that we were paying JS, that is very likely. We are paying BP about twice what we were paying EW, for what reason I have absolutely no idea, and the “management” (read JT) has demonstrated a willingness to step up if the cause is worthwhile. We have no reason to suspect otherwise in this case, do we?
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you can not run a D1 basketball program on a D2 budget.
Nor can you run a D1 MBB program on distilled peanut oil, but what's that got to do with the price if tea in China? If you are implying we aren't paying enough, I would make the case we are in fact running a D1 program on the current budget, albeit not a very successful one, but we are D1. Second, while we are far from the top budget, I'll bet you a couple bucks we are not the lowest either.
If you point is we will need to pay a new head coach more that we were paying JS, that is very likely. We are paying BP about twice what we were paying EW, for what reason I have absolutely no idea, and the “management” (read JT) has demonstrated a willingness to step up if the cause is worthwhile. We have no reason to suspect otherwise in this case, do we?
Slocum was the lowest paid coach in the HL. Cleveland State and Wright St don't have football so they can spend more on basketball.
Bo is getting the same exact salary Wolford got. Actually getting less from YSU because of his Nebraska buyout.
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you can not run a D1 basketball program on a D2 budget.
Nor can you run a D1 MBB program on distilled peanut oil, but what's that got to do with the price if tea in China? If you are implying we aren't paying enough, I would make the case we are in fact running a D1 program on the current budget, albeit not a very successful one, but we are D1. Second, while we are far from the top budget, I'll bet you a couple bucks we are not the lowest either.
If you point is we will need to pay a new head coach more that we were paying JS, that is very likely. We are paying BP about twice what we were paying EW, for what reason I have absolutely no idea, and the “management” (read JT) has demonstrated a willingness to step up if the cause is worthwhile. We have no reason to suspect otherwise in this case, do we?
Slocum was the lowest paid coach in the HL. Cleveland State and Wright St don't have football so they can spend more on basketball.
Bo is getting the same exact salary Wolford got. Actually getting less from YSU because of his Nebraska buyout.
Question wasn't HL, but D1 and I stand by my statement, we aren't the lowest. I had recalled BP was getting more than EW, but it's the same. However, I don't get the "actually getting less from YSU" part?
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you can not run a D1 basketball program on a D2 budget.
Nor can you run a D1 MBB program on distilled peanut oil, but what's that got to do with the price if tea in China? If you are implying we aren't paying enough, I would make the case we are in fact running a D1 program on the current budget, albeit not a very successful one, but we are D1. Second, while we are far from the top budget, I'll bet you a couple bucks we are not the lowest either.
If you point is we will need to pay a new head coach more that we were paying JS, that is very likely. We are paying BP about twice what we were paying EW, for what reason I have absolutely no idea, and the “management” (read JT) has demonstrated a willingness to step up if the cause is worthwhile. We have no reason to suspect otherwise in this case, do we?
Slocum was the lowest paid coach in the HL. Cleveland State and Wright St don't have football so they can spend more on basketball.
Bo is getting the same exact salary Wolford got. Actually getting less from YSU because of his Nebraska buyout.
Question wasn't HL, but D1 and I stand by my statement, we aren't the lowest. I had recalled BP was getting more than EW, but it's the same. However, I don't get the "actually getting less from YSU" part?
Wolford got 50k for doing media obligations. Bo doesn't get that, and doesn't need it lol.
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you can not run a D1 basketball program on a D2 budget.
Wolford got 50k for doing media obligations. Bo doesn't get that, and doesn't need it lol.
The Vindicator originally reported Pelini's contract equaled Wolford's which included the 50K, so according to the Vindicator, YSU is paying the same. Other sources (later including the vindy) report it as you say. Hate to go against the Vindicator, as they are like the Internet. If I read it on the Internet/Vindy, it MUST be true!
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We are paying BP about twice what we were paying EW
Not true.
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you can not run a D1 basketball program on a D2 budget.
We are paying BP about twice what we were paying EW
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last year both Bo and Shane took cuts when JT asked. Carl received a raise, but that was because he was moved up to DC.
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Any time table yet or are we waiting for the play-offs to be over?
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Any time table yet or are we waiting for the play-offs to be over?
Calhoun and Fairmont State won tonight so they will be playing saturday for the D2 national championship. I think its his job if he wants it.
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We might have caught a break when Cleve St hired Dennis Felton, whose name we never heard mentioned. That leaves Calhoun and Kimbrough for us...either would be a great fit. Hopefully early next week because we can get after it in recruiting as we need a couple inside players.i believe we have 3 scholarships available if Moss remains committed.
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They are just waiting for Calhoun to finish his season. Hopefully with a championship. He's our guy.
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Great news (for us) out of Cleveland. Of course, we know that Strollo wants Calhoun, but we have no indication that he is interested in us. Win or lose the D2 championship game tomorrow, this is definitely the time that he should move up. Let us hope that the substantial improvements that we have made to facilities (not counting the stupid bleachers) and an (unspecified) increase in pay will be enough to lure him here.
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Fairmont St lost the national championship today. Now I'm sure things will get started.
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And there it is. Great decision!
Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 5m5 minutes ago
.@21WFMJSports Multiple sources tell me Fairmont State basketball coach Jerrod Calhoun expected to be named YSU Men's basketball coach.
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Great news! Seems the perfect fit for us...hopefully opening up new recruiting avenues to finally get the program turned around
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And there it is. Great decision!
Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 5m5 minutes ago
.@21WFMJSports Multiple sources tell me Fairmont State basketball coach Jerrod Calhoun expected to be named YSU Men's basketball coach.
If true, congratulations. He is a great hire.
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Like the hire a lot. Have a feeling this program is about to get turned around.
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I thought we didn't want a competitive MBB program as it would take attention away from FB? Looks to me like the "hater" crowd is wrong again. Great new coach!