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Renovations on the East stands are scheduled to begin soon to create a new press box, which would open new loges atop the West stands and increase loge revenue.
Why not include a club level as part of the East stand renovations? Look at this video of JMU's club level created during their recent renovations five years ago:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwja9eaWuLPRAhVH5oMKHfe4AagQtwIIKjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8Bl03lDXHKw&usg=AFQjCNF20yKT0-Ue4J9NklquSkcV9B1lWg
It doesn't have to be as extravagant as that, but what if a climate-controlled section was created with a few perks...comfortable seating, dedicated restrooms, and a dedicated bar and limited buffet? If there is such a waiting list for far more costly loges, wouldn't there be a demand for this? Wouldn't it bring out fans who are willing to spring more $$, but otherwise won't go to a game and sit in a cold rain? Especially after the success of this season?
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I like the idea and we have the elevator; but I am not certain club seats would have to be climate controlled ...what do you think about something more similar to traditional box seating? The idea would be more room to sit. From what I see in the stadium reference, we already have over twice the number of loges as Bridgeforth. Now if we converted the lower level to club, you are right, I think we would generate more revenue, as we would charge per seat or section ....where I think loges are per loge. I cannot see YSU giving up any loges for it though. What if it does not sell?
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I think more premium seating, even at the expense of overall seating capacity would be worth it. The days of 20,000 people at Stambaugh are long gone. Doing something to update the stadium, generate lots more revenue, and make the fan experience better would be worth it IMO. Maybe the athletic department/penguin club could put out floaters to see what kind of interest there would be along with a hypothetical cost.
And after attending the MSU-OSU game in East Lansing in the club section, climate-controlled seating would absolutely be worth it. Especially considering how attendance seems to tail off toward the end of the season, even when the games are against marquee opponents.
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I like the idea and we have the elevator; but I am not certain club seats would have to be climate controlled ...what do you think about something more similar to traditional box seating? The idea would be more room to sit. From what I see in the stadium reference, we already have over twice the number of loges as Bridgeforth. Now if we converted the lower level to club, you are right, I think we would generate more revenue, as we would charge per seat or section ....where I think loges are per loge. I cannot see YSU giving up any loges for it though. What if it does not sell?
There is a wide spectrum of possibilities from a simple glass enclosed section with 50 seats to, well, what Bridgeforth has. The investment made would be dependent upon perceived demand. IMO, based on loge demand, there definitely would be a market. Once built, the market would drive the rates. If demand is low, the price would have to reflect that. Initially I'd have low introductory rates. My suspicion is that once a fan experiences Penguin football in a comfortable and warm environment, they may never go back to wearing ponchos and long johns.
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I would have to know how many seats would fit in a loge, then do the math. The seats would have to be about 4" wider than the current chair-back and maybe even padded. I, along with the rest of America, am getting fatter.
We could convert a couple of the lower loges just to see how it sells and the cost would be minimal. At least the labor. Like these club seats, the media section is really loges divided up and amenities removed. All of this once we expand of course. If any of you have ever been up, to a post-game or any reason, to the 4th floor of Stambaugh ...you would see it is VERY nice. Really quite impressive actually. I have been to two Penguin games in a loge. One with a private group and the other I won in a Penguin Club raffle. They treated us very well.
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I would have to know how many seats would fit in a loge, then do the math. The seats would have to be about 4" wider than the current chair-back and maybe even padded. I, along with the rest of America, am getting fatter.
We could convert a couple of the lower loges just to see how it sells and the cost would be minimal. At least the labor. Like these club seats, the media section is really loges divided up and amenities removed. All of this once we expand of course. If any of you have ever been up, to a post-game or any reason, to the 4th floor of Stambaugh ...you would see it is VERY nice. Really quite impressive actually. I have been to two Penguin games in a loge. One with a private group and the other I won in a Penguin Club raffle. They treated us very well.
They charge a lot for our club seats. it's 125 a game, but you need to donate 2,250 in order to get the opportunity to pay for two 125 seats. It included two alcohol drinks and unlimited everything else from buffet, ice cream, soft drinks.....
1,000 seats at 125 each - or using my JMU math $125,000 a game. From what I understand it cost over half that to operate it each game. It is first class. What you get is better than both the Washington Redskins Club, and Washington Nationals Club areas.
But somehow we can't move to 1A? :-[
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Isn't the whole reason of building the new press box is to open more room for club and loge seating ? They are moving all radio, tv and press over to the east side.
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I would have to know how many seats would fit in a loge, then do the math. The seats would have to be about 4" wider than the current chair-back and maybe even padded. I, along with the rest of America, am getting fatter.
We could convert a couple of the lower loges just to see how it sells and the cost would be minimal. At least the labor. Like these club seats, the media section is really loges divided up and amenities removed. All of this once we expand of course. If any of you have ever been up, to a post-game or any reason, to the 4th floor of Stambaugh ...you would see it is VERY nice. Really quite impressive actually. I have been to two Penguin games in a loge. One with a private group and the other I won in a Penguin Club raffle. They treated us very well.
They charge a lot for our club seats. it's 125 a game, but you need to donate 2,250 in order to get the opportunity to pay for two 125 seats. It included two alcohol drinks and unlimited everything else from buffet, ice cream, soft drinks.....
1,000 seats at 125 each - or using my JMU math $125,000 a game. From what I understand it cost over half that to operate it each game. It is first class. What you get is better than both the Washington Redskins Club, and Washington Nationals Club areas.
But somehow we can't move to 1A? :-[
Move. Please. Move. No body cares about your programmar on here. Go play with your streamers.
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I would have to know how many seats would fit in a loge, then do the math. The seats would have to be about 4" wider than the current chair-back and maybe even padded. I, along with the rest of America, am getting fatter.
We could convert a couple of the lower loges just to see how it sells and the cost would be minimal. At least the labor. Like these club seats, the media section is really loges divided up and amenities removed. All of this once we expand of course. If any of you have ever been up, to a post-game or any reason, to the 4th floor of Stambaugh ...you would see it is VERY nice. Really quite impressive actually. I have been to two Penguin games in a loge. One with a private group and the other I won in a Penguin Club raffle. They treated us very well.
They charge a lot for our club seats. it's 125 a game, but you need to donate 2,250 in order to get the opportunity to pay for two 125 seats. It included two alcohol drinks and unlimited everything else from buffet, ice cream, soft drinks.....
1,000 seats at 125 each - or using my JMU math $125,000 a game. From what I understand it cost over half that to operate it each game. It is first class. What you get is better than both the Washington Redskins Club, and Washington Nationals Club areas.
But somehow we can't move to 1A? :-[
Move. Please. Move. No body cares about your programmar on here. Go play with your streamers.
I guess I can see why there is so much inter-fighting on here. I'll take my "programmar" somewhere else once I figure out what it is. ;)
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I would say Dukester is fine. I saw nothing wrong with what was said. I would hope he would stay.
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Isn't the whole reason of building the new press box is to open more room for club and loge seating ? They are moving all radio, tv and press over to the east side.
My understanding is that the plan is to simply create more loges, not a club section. Loges are cost prohibitive to >99% of Penguin fans and are usually purchased by corporations, at least that's my understanding. Short of that, one could pay $5k/year and get two loge seats ( http://ysusports.com/penguin_club/membership_levels ), which would be the closest thing we have to a club section.
What Dukester is describing would be like upgrading to First Class on a flight. It's a luxury to enhance the experience, and affordable to far more ppl than renting a private jet. I'd pay the entry fee and $125/seat in a heartbeat, but not much more. I think it'd increase attendance, interest, gameday experience, and revenue for the University.
I guess I can see why there is so much inter-fighting on here. I'll take my "programmar" somewhere else once I figure out what it is. ;)
My wife is JMU grad, and I am a damn picky fella. Thanks for your input on this thread and congrats on an epic season.
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Isn't the whole reason of building the new press box is to open more room for club and loge seating ? They are moving all radio, tv and press over to the east side.
My understanding is that the plan is to simply create more loges, not a club section. Loges are cost prohibitive to >99% of Penguin fans and are usually purchased by corporations, at least that's my understanding. Short of that, one could pay $5k/year and get two loge seats ( http://ysusports.com/penguin_club/membership_levels ), which would be the closest thing we have to a club section.
What Dukester is describing would be like upgrading to First Class on a flight. It's a luxury to enhance the experience, and affordable to far more ppl than renting a private jet. I'd pay the entry fee and $125/seat in a heartbeat, but not much more. I think it'd increase attendance, interest, gameday experience, and revenue for the University.
I guess I can see why there is so much inter-fighting on here. I'll take my "programmar" somewhere else once I figure out what it is. ;)
My wife is JMU grad, and I am a damn picky fella. Thanks for your input on this thread and congrats on an epic season.
I doubt you'd go to this extreme - but we're told this is part of the reason we were outbid for the playoffs a couple years. We were told a loss on the club was factored into our bid.
One common complaint from non club fans is the outside seats are frequently empty because the club seat holders are inside utilizing all the club benefits. But lets be real, we all know on message boards people will complain about everything - I'm guilty of that at time too. ;)
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I would say Dukester is fine. I saw nothing wrong with what was said. I would hope he would stay.
I agree--I'm about as far from being a JMU fan as there is but find nothing wrong or derogatory about his post. ???
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I doubt you'd go to this extreme - but we're told this is part of the reason we were outbid for the playoffs a couple years. We were told a loss on the club was factored into our bid.
One common complaint from non club fans is the outside seats are frequently empty because the club seat holders are inside utilizing all the club benefits. But lets be real, we all know on message boards people will complain about everything - I'm guilty of that at time too. ;)
if there is a 3-score lead on a NEC team, I'm prolly headed back in for more tacos and beer. :D I'm not sure what difference it makes if they are in or out. Our loge patrons are always in.
You'd know better than I would but my guess is that the club and rest of the expansion was with an eye on upgrading to the FBS.
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I doubt you'd go to this extreme - but we're told this is part of the reason we were outbid for the playoffs a couple years. We were told a loss on the club was factored into our bid.
One common complaint from non club fans is the outside seats are frequently empty because the club seat holders are inside utilizing all the club benefits. But lets be real, we all know on message boards people will complain about everything - I'm guilty of that at time too. ;)
if there is a 3-score lead on a NEC team, I'm prolly headed back in for more tacos and beer. :D I'm not sure what difference it makes if they are in or out. Our loge patrons are always in.
You'd know better than I would but my guess is that the club and rest of the expansion was with an eye on upgrading to the FBS.
That's what the fans thought. Not that many of your posters would care, but what was gut wrenching to us is our instate Rival ODU (for basketball) went from no football to 1A in four years about 5 years ago. Then this year our government in VA decided to pass a law limiting amount of student fees that could be used for sports that makes it even harder for us to make the move. We got a new president about 3 years ago that does not really see the importance of 1A football, although you can't miss him at most of the big football events that including College Game and the SMU win last year, as well at the NC championship. Our facilities are better than 1/3rd of 1A. You'd think that would point us to 1A - but we've watched conference mates GaState, ODU move after only 5 years in 1A. UMass left for the MAC. Coastal Carolina is now moving up. ASU and GSU successfully moved up a couple years ago. For some reason we can't figure out how to do it.
The conversation on our boards is what's better - Minor Bowls or Playoffs? I see both sides, but I'd rather be 1A with a good year being ranked in the top 25. Give me a shot to be Western Michigan and in the Cotton Bowl.
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IMO I'd rather be in FCS playoffs than the G5 and a meaningless bowl. WMU was never even considered for the CFP. Why not skip G5 and join the ACC and beat VT again? ;) I think there'll be major conference realignment with several G5 teams dropping to FCS in the next few years. I think Idaho is the first of many. G5 attendance is taking a big hit. I've heard JMU was offered MAC membership? If you passed on it...wise move.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-01-03/the-unravelling-of-college-football-starts-with-all-these-empty-stadiums
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I see club seating as a step down from loge and it will be purchased by businesses. It is an idea worth consideration, I just want to see some dollar figures to be certain the area makes more than additional loges.
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JMU uses semantics when it speaks. It will say we have not been "offered membership to any conference". They also say "if the right opportunity comes around" they will accept it.
Here's what this means - no conference will offer unless they know a school will accept.
I know the Sunbelt offered, but we wanted a Football only membership. I believe the offer has been outstanding for years for full membership, although I read about 6 months ago they gave up on us.
CUSA approached both ODU and JMU to gauge our interest in CUSA at the final four about 5 years ago. ODU said "hell yes, let's talk." JMU said, "thanks, but the timing is not right for us". Imagine when your rival's new football program is ready at 4 years, and a team that's been one of the top 5 1AA programs the last decade isn't quite ready. New stadium, new athletic center for football, and 23k average home attendance. >:(
As far as the MAC - about 3 years ago there was a lot of talk about JMU going to the MAC. We all the sudden were playing their teams in basketball and football. We even had a preliminary agreement for one of the MACSs 1A teams to play at JMU. That would of been the first time a 1A had played at a 1AA. MAC coaches were openly quoting what a good addition JMU would be for the MAC. Then all the sudden nothing happened. I assume that was not our precise choice.
Also 3 years ago we paid to have a company to evaluate our readiness for a move to 1A, and they said we were ready.
A year or two ago I, and most fans would of told you the admin was at a point where it was CUSA (we're ready now, but CUSA isn't offering) or better, and no Sunbelt or MAC. At this point with the new Virginia legislation limiting student fees for athletics, I'm not sure if CUSA is still an option for our Admin. I think our out fee is at $1,000,000 for the CAA. I think getting into a conference is more than that. Plus television revenues have dropped for CUSA. So there is a good chance JMU won't see 1A in my lifetime. Having recently hit 50, I only got so much time???
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I see club seating as a step down from loge and it will be purchased by businesses. It is an idea worth consideration, I just want to see some dollar figures to be certain the area makes more than additional loges.
It's not just clubs, but suites. Suites are normally for businesses, and clubs individuals. At least in our situation.
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I thought they were doing away with the FCS.
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Here's a scathing article about MAC finances. EMU takes >80% of its athletic budget from student fees (I think YSU is ~70%). I'd hate to see JMU (or YSU) pay the conference entrance fee, and the league admits they're busted and dissolves a year or so later and the $$ vanish.
http://www.hustlebelt.com/2016/4/18/11454190/midamerican-conference-athletic-revenue-and-expenses-released
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I see club seating as a step down from loge and it will be purchased by businesses. It is an idea worth consideration, I just want to see some dollar figures to be certain the area makes more than additional loges.
It's not just clubs, but suites. Suites are normally for businesses, and clubs individuals. At least in our situation.
Right, but that is what I am saying. Many small businesses cannot afford a loge ...they cost 10-20 times what it looks like a club seat will sell for. Very few people in Youngstown will have $2k-$3k for a club seat. It will have to be a business looking for the tax deduction.
Interesting story, I used to work for a man that was a huge buckeyes supporter. He played OSU marching band music all day every day in the office. Once a year the campus police arrest some of the prominent businessmen in Columbus and they ask money for their release on bail. I was unaware if this.
I was sitting at my desk and suddenly about 6-10 uniformed officers walk into the office (Gahanna, Columbus, State and campus), put him in cuffs and escorted him out the door. I was by that time basically hiding so as not to be a part of anything that I was not involved with. If I would have known players and staff I would have caught on, but I had no idea other than the fact that the owner my company was just arrested. I went down to the police station with our CFO and he gave them a check for what I think was a million dollars. Could have been $100k, but I did count the zeros. blew me away. Then Archie Griffin came and unlocked the cell. It was made of beer cans. In any case, I know that he had 6 club seats that were his in each facility. He used to leave tickets on the table for all of the sports. I usually saw MBB or hockey and it was fun.
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Went down around the campus last week, a lot of construction taking place along Fifth Avenue and Rayen. I thought they were to start on the new eastside press box right after the end of the football season but nothing is taking place as of yet. Anyone hear anything about a start up date? Having that press box would actually help enclose The Ice Castle with the additional height on the east end. It would change the appearance on the inside dramatically.
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I heard we didn't have enough money raised yet
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I heard we didn't have enough money raised yet
We get a million dollar donation and still can't raise enough funds. What a joke.
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Construction will be delayed for a year. A new design featuring a far better looking East Side than the original plans. New architectural drawings highlight the use of metal facing and glass. The look will be so much better than the present plans. Drawing and specifications are being ordered. Completion date will be the start of the 2018 football season.
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Better to do it right than on time. I hope they explore some variation of club seating.
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Better to do it right than on time.
Amen to that! That silly Jackson-Milton HS type press box on east stands is ridiculous, but it won’t be any worse in 2017 than the last 10 years. Do it right.
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Since that facility will be used year round for educational purposes, I doubt that Tressel will have much difficulty finding donations to cover the cost. As everybody has said, do it properly. We can wait one more year.
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I doubt that Tressel will have much difficulty finding donations to cover the cost.
You've got that right. The only issue you should have about Tressel rasing money is if he gets near your wallet! He was a GREAT coach, but getting business people do fork over $1,000,000 might be his true calling!
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Would've been nice to have it done this year coming off an appearance in the national championship. Wonder how different its going to look from the renderings when the announcement was first made ?
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Construction will be delayed for a year. A new design featuring a far better looking East Side than the original plans. New architectural drawings highlight the use of metal facing and glass. The look will be so much better than the present plans. Drawing and specifications are being ordered. Completion date will be the start of the 2018 football season.
I agree with everyone else by doing it right. I hope we get to see the new drawings when they are completed though. The last big outside project at The Ice Castle was the new scoreboard and that turned out great, so the eastside press box will be worth the wait.
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Would've been nice to have it done this year coming off an appearance in the national championship. Wonder how different its going to look from the renderings when the announcement was first made ?
I feel the same way chief. I was jacked up on having it up for this season and now I'm jacked up even more for the new design.
I did like the outside of the stadium drawing more than the inside one I have to admit.
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Would've been nice to have it done this year coming off an appearance in the national championship. Wonder how different its going to look from the renderings when the announcement was first made ?
I agree, heck I thought that the other design looked good - cant wait.
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They still need more funding. The Penguin Club is also ante up some money. From what I heard they were going to try to do it cheaper and that was squashed they want to do it right.
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They still need more funding. The Penguin Club is also ante up some money. From what I heard they were going to try to do it cheaper and that was squashed they want to do it right.
JT will find the money.
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I've been told by a couple folks that it will be built this year.
If I hear otherwise I'll post, but I'd imagine it will be ready for next school year/season.
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I've been told by a couple folks that it will be built this year.
If I hear otherwise I'll post, but I'd imagine it will be ready for next school year/season.
Interesting...
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I've been told by a couple folks that it will be built this year.
If I hear otherwise I'll post, but I'd imagine it will be ready for next school year/season.
If that is the case it sounds like the new drawings, blueprints, and additional money is in place. I'll believe it when I see them tearing down the existing shanty on the east end.
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Wish we could move the tennis courts to a different area on campus, preferably over by the softball stadium and soccer field so we can put a parking lot over there behind the east side. Wishful thinking haha....
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Wish we could move the tennis courts to a different area on campus, preferably over by the softball stadium and soccer field so we can put a parking lot over there behind the east side. Wishful thinking haha....
Might be wishful thinking, but I looked on google earth and the tennis space is about the size of the McDonalds across from Stambaugh Stadium. World won't miss 1 McD's for the benefit of parking. That space helps the East Side Statium and the WATTS as well.
You might be wishful, but I think you have a damn good idea.
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I thought the idea during the "master plan" initiative in 09-10 they were going to build new tennis courts behind were the softball field sits now and make the current tennis courts a big parking lot. Maybe they couldn't buy all the properties back there to get enough space... Oh well.
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I would imagine construction would have to start sometime this month in order to get this thing built in time, no ?
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I would imagine construction would have to start sometime this month in order to get this thing built in time, no ?
You would guess.
I went past there today and the eastside shanty is still up. I want the new one up this year, but I also want it done right.
That new steel structure at Fifth and Lincoln, is that the new 2 story bookstore going up? Lots of construction going on around the campus including Wick Avenue. I remember reading that after Wick is done this fall they are going to do the same to Fifth next year. It needs it.
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I would imagine construction would have to start sometime this month in order to get this thing built in time, no ?
You would guess.
I went past there today and the eastside shanty is still up. I want the new one up this year, but I also want it done right.
That new steel structure at Fifth and Lincoln, is that the new 2 story bookstore going up? Lots of construction going on around the campus including Wick Avenue. I remember reading that after Wick is done this fall they are going to do the same to Fifth next year. It needs it.
Yeah its the new barnes and noble bookstore, and next to it is the 2nd phase of the university edge. 5th is getting resurfaced next summer I believe ? Lots happening on campus.
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I would imagine construction would have to start sometime this month in order to get this thing built in time, no ?
You would guess.
I went past there today and the eastside shanty is still up. I want the new one up this year, but I also want it done right.
That new steel structure at Fifth and Lincoln, is that the new 2 story bookstore going up? Lots of construction going on around the campus including Wick Avenue. I remember reading that after Wick is done this fall they are going to do the same to Fifth next year. It needs it.
Yeah its the new barnes and noble bookstore, and next to it is the 2nd phase of the university edge. 5th is getting resurfaced next summer I believe ? Lots happening on campus.
Yep, lots of stuff. JT getting things cleaned up during the remainder of 2017 so he can move on to a bigger project, Sherrod Brown.
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Does this move up the timeline and get it built by football season ? That's 1.5 million all together now...
YSUPenguinsAthleticsVerified account @YSUsports 28m28 minutes ago
http://www.ysu.edu/news/payiavlas-family-donates-500000-sports-media-classroom
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Wow. Gosh that guy is charismatic. I've never been able to see someone get so many people to willingly open up their checkbooks. Tressel can fundraise :o