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The Youngstown State football team will play host to its first FCS playoff game in a decade on Saturday when the Penguins take on Samford. Kickoff for the contest at Stambaugh Stadium is set for 5:05 p.m.
Also on Saturday at YSU, the men's basketball team will be in action at noon against Canisius at the Beeghly Center. All parking for the YSU basketball game is in the M-60 deck just off Fifth Avenue.
Tailgating festivities are set to begin bright and early at 11 a.m. Beer will be on sale in both lots start at that time. Parking in the M-62, M-71, M-72 and decks (M-30 and M-60) is available for $5.
YSU students are reminded that seating for the contest is in Section 7 on the West side of Stambaugh Stadium. There is no seating in the usual YSU student section at midfield on the East side of the Stadium, which is located directly behind the Samford bench, per NCAA regulations.
Tickets are available for the contest on Friday from 9-6 p.m. by calling or visiting the YSU Athletics Ticket Office and on Saturday starting at 9 a.m. Online sales are available all day Friday.
YSU students can purchase tickets for $5 for the YSU Athletic Ticket Office on Friday and Saturday. Free student tickets are still available at the YSU Bookstore on Saturday starting at noon.
Tickets on Friday are $15 and on game-day prices increase to $18 for reserved seats. Tailgate parking passes are also available for $25.
For those individuals who cannot make Saturday's game can follow the game via LIVE AUDIO | LIVE VIDEO on Watch ESPN. The contest is also available on the iHeartMedia app (570 WKBN).
Saturday's Schedule
9 a.m. - Athletic Ticket Office opens
11 a.m. - Tailgate Lots (M-63 and M-70) open | Parking available in M-62/M-72
Noon - YSU Men's Basketball vs. Canisius (Beeghly Center)
3:30 p.m. - Stambaugh Stadium Gates Open
3:30 p.m. - North/South/East Side Ticket Booths Open/Handicap Parking Available behind East Stands
3:45 p.m. - YSU Marching Pride "Ice Breaker" North of the Andrews Wellness Center
4 p.m. - 570 WKBN YSU/Pizza Hut Tailgate Show Live from M-70 Lot
4 p.m. - Mosure Hall of Gridiron Glory Opens on Concourse Level
4:47 p.m. - YSU Marching Pride Pregame Show
5 p.m. - Tailgate Lots Closes
5:05 p.m. - YSU vs. Samford
Halftime: YSU Marching Pride
Postgame: Fifth-Quarter Call-in Radio Show on 570 WKBN
On Instagram, Snapchat and Twitter fans are encouraged to use #GoGuins and #PenguinNation when posting photos, videos or tweets. If you need assistance in the tailgate lot contact YSU Police @YSUpolice on twitter or call (330) 941-3527.
Fan Services and credit card sales are available on at the YSU Athletic Ticket Office inside Stambaugh Stadium. Visiting team will call is located behind the East stands.
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There is no seating in the usual YSU student section at midfield on the East side of the Stadium, which is located directly behind the Samford bench, per NCAA regulations.
Hilarious! Is that so D1 FB players can have a safe space? "Coach, that really mean boy called my mother a ____ ______....sniff "
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I think that the official reason for security of players and coaches to communicate. However, I think in reality you are spot-on Nation.
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There is no seating in the usual YSU student section at midfield on the East side of the Stadium, which is located directly behind the Samford bench, per NCAA regulations.
Hilarious! Is that so D1 FB players can have a safe space? "Coach, that really mean boy called my mother a ____ ______....sniff "
And everyone gets a participation trophy after the game too.
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It could also be for ESPN 3. It will look like the crowd is bigger on TV if most of the fans are all on one side and the cameras are pointed that way
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I think the MI/tOSU OT will cost YSU ~500 in attendance. Maybe next time embrace it and have the game on a jumbo screen in a tailgate lot with free food from a local sponsor.
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Avery Moss is out.....
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chief I saw that. Big loss for the penguins Defense today to have him out. Hopefully it is not a serious injury and he heals up soon.
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Crowd is small.
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Gotta love when you go to a playoff game and only two concession stands are open...the next time the baseball team cries because of decreased funds I won't care and site this game as an example of their lazinessness
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Fun fact: Samford is in the bottom 3 in the SoCon in total D, rush D, and Pass D.
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Please fire Montgomery.
Great call to the tightend
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Samford D getting tired ?
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Samford D getting tired ?
They are starting to look overmatched. The O line is getting a huge push.
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Great defense, great ball control. One more quarter fellas!
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Dominating.
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A FG? Samford's confidence is gone and they are calling it a night.
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See you guys in Jacksonville. Samford really wasn't a challenge for you. For those of you coming into Jacksonville for the game, all the travel info you need can be found on our board. Visit our board at: gojaxstate.boards.net
Good luck and safe travels...
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Fun fact: Samford is in the bottom 3 in the SoCon in total D, rush D, and Pass D.
Why the need?
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Fun fact: Samford is in the bottom 3 in the SoCon in total D, rush D, and Pass D.
Why the need?
Why the need for facts and perspective about the game?
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Ill St goes down, outscored 24-7 in the 4th
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Our CBs are still having problems with athletic receivers. We all knew that they have to score fast and yet, we kept giving up long pass plays. Our CBs could never turn around to look for the ball. Our corners will get pick on again next week by a better team. Let us hope we won't give their QB time to look for the long pass plays.
The crowd was relatively small. But it is about the same size of the last two home games (although the announced attendance was much higher). I think we have about 6,000 die hard fans right now comparing to about 12,000 back in the early 1990s. I do not know if we could ever get them back. The younger generation has a lot other interests in the digital media and I am not sure if they are that much into football anymore.
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I thought the secondary played pretty damn well. Later once the game was out of hand, they had some backups in and were playing soft coverage so I wasn't concerned. That's a damn good offense we shut down for 3 quarters. Offensive game plan was actually good for once. Now the real test....
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The guys on the post game call in show seemed to think Moss and Squiric both had a good shot to play next week.
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Interesting thread re: attendance on AGS:
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?189496-The-annual-quot-wow-1st-round-attendance-really-sucks-quot-thread
I watched a few G5 games yesterday and the stands were embarrassingly empty at all of them. It's a complicated subject as it involves marketing, scheduling, and the product itself. You can't be in the playoffs once a decade and expect a loyal following. You've got to earn it and build a following. I see lots of pressuring and even shaming of ppl to go to the games, esp from radio commentators and on social media. It hasn't worked, it's not going to work, and it's prolly counterproductive. I also don't see other schools doing it. I think enough ppl paid to pay off the guarantee. Keep winning and the fans will come. If you don't keep winning, than you don't deserve them.
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Some random reactions to the game this evening.
Believe it or not, we had the highest attendance of the eight FCS games played today. Edged Chattanooga by a little. No other site drew 4,000.
My favorite stat is this. Samford achieved 7.3 yards per pass play; YSU got 11.8 yards per pass play.
With the injuries, that was an amazing defensive performance. 10 points against the entire first unit. As Chief noted, the final two scores after the outcome was long decided came against a hybrid unit with many backups on the field.
Starting with the field goal at the end of the second quarter, we scored on five consecutive possessions, including touchdowns on the first four possessions of the second half. How many of us saw that coming after we needed that punt return to edge Indiana State?
While the offense struggled a bit in the first half, Schuler was the mvp with his sensational punting.
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I thought the secondary played pretty damn well. Later once the game was out of hand, they had some backups in and were playing soft coverage so I wasn't concerned. That's a damn good offense we shut down for 3 quarters. Offensive game plan was actually good for once. Now the real test....
ditto
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People should be shamed for not attending games. I've been going to games since I was a kid and I'm 34 now. They have been bad for a long time but if you are a true follower you will support the team or you will make excuses bottom line.
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Gotta love when you go to a playoff game and only two concession stands are open...the next time the baseball team cries because of decreased funds I won't care and site this game as an example of their lazinessness
I know the crowd was small, and they staff based on pre-sale, but they easily could have used a third concession stand open. I went to the concession stand at the 11 minute mark in the second quarter and didn't return until halftime.
That said, enjoyed the game. Nice win by the Penguins.
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Interesting thread re: attendance on AGS:
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?189496-The-annual-quot-wow-1st-round-attendance-really-sucks-quot-thread
I watched a few G5 games yesterday and the stands were embarrassingly empty at all of them. It's a complicated subject as it involves marketing, scheduling, and the product itself. You can't be in the playoffs once a decade and expect a loyal following. You've got to earn it and build a following. I see lots of pressuring and even shaming of ppl to go to the games, esp from radio commentators and on social media. It hasn't worked, it's not going to work, and it's prolly counterproductive. I also don't see other schools doing it. I think enough ppl paid to pay off the guarantee. Keep winning and the fans will come. If you don't keep winning, than you don't deserve them.
You fail to mention the Mickey Monus effect. He conditioned the people of Youngstown that tickets should be free when he handed out free tickets to Youngstown Pride basketball games. Now they won't pay to attend anything because they have been conditioned like dogs.
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I slept on it before posting, but here it is:
We struggled to figure Samford out most of the entire first half. However from the last drive in Q2, we clearly had them figured out and opened up a "can-of-whoop-***" on them. Then to let those garbage drives (for TD's) just left a HUGE bad taste in my mouth & the coaches and players need to know that is all anyone was talking about after the game. Imagine winning a play-off game (in eventually a convincing fashion) and feeling like you lost the contest? We have got to have more pride in ourselves.
Sure, we did fumble and the Samford coach should have put in some back-ups when they were down 24-points with less than 3-minutes to go; but he did not, so we needed to respond in kind. We did fumble; but folks we let them score twice in 2:49 and they went the length of the field both times. The Bulldogs have some pride and I could have lived with the one TD against back-ups, giving them 17 ...but then to let them do it again, just exposed every single weakness in our defense for JSU to watch. I am ecstatic to win a play-off game again, but I feel somewhat empty & the players/coaches should have seen this. Once again this is all anyone was talking about.
People of Youngstown ...Shame on you. Your failure to support your team disgusts me. I grew up with Thanksgiving being the start of the post-season and my favorite Holiday for just this reason. Who gives a darn about the Buckeyes? You live in the Valley & that place should have been packed. This is coming from a man who lives in Columbus, Buckeye fan and a proud father of a daughter that graduated from OSU. Yet I drive to Youngstown every weekend. If you learned anything watching the OSU game, learn this ...the scarlet & gray sold 104k tickets and there were no empty seats. I know it has been a while. but YSU football needs to once again become part of our culture and I expect coach Bo, Ron Strollo and even President Tressel to be much more vocal when this hopefully becomes a habit in the Valley once again. To the fans in attendance ...congrats on being so vocal and supportive ...it was awesome and prideful to hear and see.
good luck next week ... hope see you some of you there.
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I slept on it before posting, but here it is:
We struggled to figure Samford out most of the entire first half. However from the last drive in Q2, we clearly had them figured out and opened up a "can-of-whoop-***" on them. Then to let those garbage drives (for TD's) just left a HUGE bad taste in my mouth & the coaches and players need to know that is all anyone was talking about after the game. Imagine winning a play-off game (in eventually a convincing fashion) and feeling like you lost the contest? We have got to have more pride in ourselves.
Sure, we did fumble and the Samford coach should have put in some back-ups when they were down 24-points with less than 3-minutes to go; but he did not, so we needed to respond in kind. We did fumble; but folks we let them score twice in 2:49 and they went the length of the field both times. The Bulldogs have some pride and I could have lived with the one TD against back-ups, giving them 17 ...but then to let them do it again, just exposed every single weakness in our defense for JSU to watch. I am ecstatic to win a play-off game again, but I feel somewhat empty & the players/coaches should have seen this. Once again this is all anyone was talking about.
People of Youngstown ...Shame on you. Your failure to support your team disgusts me. I grew up with Thanksgiving being the start of the post-season and my favorite Holiday for just this reason. Who gives a darn about the Buckeyes? You live in the Valley & that place should have been packed. This is coming from a man who lives in Columbus, Buckeye fan and a proud father of a daughter that graduated from OSU. Yet I drive to Youngstown every weekend. If you learned anything watching the OSU game, learn this ...the scarlet & gray sold 104k tickets and there were no empty seats. I know it has been a while. but YSU football needs to once again become part of our culture and I expect coach Bo, Ron Strollo and even President Tressel to be much more vocal when this hopefully becomes a habit in the Valley once again. To the fans in attendance ...congrats on being so vocal and supportive ...it was awesome and prideful to hear and see.
good luck next week ... hope see you some of you there.
Ditto on those late tds by Samford. I know they were scored during garbage time with our backups. With that being said, we should still be playing the same defense scheme by protecting long passes and fast scores. To let that happened, twice, was totally unacceptable. I was also looking at our defense front four, they did not push hard to go after their QB. They were just going through the motion. If they were backups, they were not trying very hard to impress the coaches.
In those late drives, they did not even call the timeouts to stop the clock. They were almost saying that here we come with the long TD passes in your face, try to stop it. We were still playing one on one on the corners. Wow.
As for OSU, my son is from Columbus and we went the game after watching OSU on tv. We live 25 miles north of the campus and we made it in time for the kickoff. If you want to go the game, that really should not be a factor.
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I agree with most of your post. I flew 4 hours yesterday morning to make the game and was disappointed in the turnout of the fans. My daughter is getting married next Sunday in South Carolina about 3.5 hours from Jax State. I will drive over to the game on Saturday morning and be back in South Carolina Saturday night.
It did take the Guins about a half to figure out Samford but once they did like you said they opened up a can of whoop :::(. That was some great adjustments by both coordinators.
As for having them score and that's all everyone was talking about. That's not what I heard, I think your nit picking. You need to take into consideration the personal that was on the field. It wasn't the starting D. Rivers barely played in the 4th quarter. They got Wright some valuable playing time going into next week. I take my hat off to Samford for not quitting but I don't think it tarnished the victory in any way.
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I agree with most of your post. I flew 4 hours yesterday morning to make the game and was disappointed in the turnout of the fans. My daughter is getting married next Sunday in South Carolina about 3.5 hours from Jax State. I will drive over to the game on Saturday morning and be back in South Carolina Saturday night.
It did take the Guins about a half to figure out Samford but once they did like you said they opened up a can of whoop :::(. That was some great adjustments by both coordinators.
As for having them score and that's all everyone was talking about. That's not what I heard, I think your nit picking. You need to take into consideration the personal that was on the field. It wasn't the starting D. Rivers barely played in the 4th quarter. They got Wright some valuable playing time going into next week. I take my hat off to Samford for not quitting but I don't think it tarnished the victory in any way.
I think you have the wrong Jax State. The one we are playing is in Alabama. I live in near Hilton Head and it is 5.5 hour for me to drive. They are located East of Birmingham near Talladega.
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We had the game clearly under control. We were simply better than them. The road to the championship runs through Eastern Washington. I think they can win the title this year.
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I agree with most of your post. I flew 4 hours yesterday morning to make the game and was disappointed in the turnout of the fans. My daughter is getting married next Sunday in South Carolina about 3.5 hours from Jax State. I will drive over to the game on Saturday morning and be back in South Carolina Saturday night.
It did take the Guins about a half to figure out Samford but once they did like you said they opened up a can of whoop :::(. That was some great adjustments by both coordinators.
As for having them score and that's all everyone was talking about. That's not what I heard, I think your nit picking. You need to take into consideration the personal that was on the field. It wasn't the starting D. Rivers barely played in the 4th quarter. They got Wright some valuable playing time going into next week. I take my hat off to Samford for not quitting but I don't think it tarnished the victory in any way.
I think you have the wrong Jax State. The one we are playing is in Alabama. I live in near Hilton Head and it is 5.5 hour for me to drive. They are located East of Birmingham near
It's 3.5 hours from Greenville
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All this shaming of the public for the lack of attendance is in my opinion unfounded. All of life is marketing. We have a product and you have failed to sell it to the public. I'm not sure the reasons, but there is PLENTY of competition for the disposable dollar (good grief, read the adds in the papers all week!) You don't get somebody to make a major commitment of time and some money by embarrassing or calling them names. You get them to come by making it attractive and convincing them that would be really enjoyable. We played on a very cold night following a major holiday. I left my wife with three grandchildren as my daughter and son-in-law were in Columbus for the "big" game. What did we do to make this game well aware to people in the valley? What did we do to make it attractive? Don't try to shame people, come up with ideas that can be used to compete for the $$
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My daughter is getting married next Sunday in South Carolina about 3.5 hours from Jax State. I will drive over to the game on Saturday morning and be back in South Carolina Saturday night.
I think you have the wrong Jax State. The one we are playing is in Alabama. I live in near Hilton Head and it is 5.5 hour for me to drive. They are located East of Birmingham near Talladega.
Jax State fan and Jacksonville resident here. The trip from points west of Greenville can probably be made in 3.5 hours or less. North Augusta could also conceivably be within a 3.5-hour drive, but I'd plan on four. I was just on the Georgia side of the Savannah River for Thanksgiving, and it took about 3 hours, 45 minutes each way.
Safe travels on Saturday, Penguin Ice, and congrats to your daughter. I hope the Gamecocks make the outcome clear by halftime so you can get back early.
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Thanks Jaxs. I hope to be back in Greenville early also with a Guin win well in hand. 🐧
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Home town newspapers:
I subscribe to both Youngstown and Warren newspapers.
In today's sport section,:
Youngstown Vindicator: top story on the top of the page: Warren JFK high school won the playoff game. The middle page (3/4 of the page in large print) OSU over Michigan. The bottom of the page: (in small print with less than 1/4 of the page) YSU won the game with one article.
Warren Tribune: top of page (1/3 of page) Warren JFK won playoff game. Center of page (over 1/2 page) YSU won. 2nd page, almost the whole page was on game analysis of the YSU game. A total of 3 articles on the YSU win. A small section on the side of first page on OSU win over Michigan.
So much for hometown coverage by the Vindicator which must believe there are more readers care about OSU then the Penguins. It must be a business decision.
Now we know.
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I have a question for you all who live in the Valley. What is attendance like on Friday nights for the High School games in comparison to what it was like 20 years ago? I was a student at YSU from 1990-1996. I watched with the others in close to sellout crowds at Stambaugh and attended several of the National Championship games. I now live in the Pittsburgh area and have noticed that the appetite for high school football over here has diminished in the past 20 years. Pitt often times only draws 25-30k for games... and that is a pretty good Power 5 team. It seems like people are much more willing to stay home, watch on their computers, get updates. and stay warm. IMO technology and the advancement of information has made it much easier to stay home. Thoughts? BTW- I was there last night! #goguins
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All this shaming of the public for the lack of attendance is in my opinion unfounded. All of life is marketing. We have a product and you have failed to sell it to the public. I'm not sure the reasons, but there is PLENTY of competition for the disposable dollar (good grief, read the adds in the papers all week!) You don't get somebody to make a major commitment of time and some money by embarrassing or calling them names. You get them to come by making it attractive and convincing them that would be really enjoyable. We played on a very cold night following a major holiday. I left my wife with three grandchildren as my daughter and son-in-law were in Columbus for the "big" game. What did we do to make this game well aware to people in the valley? What did we do to make it attractive? Don't try to shame people, come up with ideas that can be used to compete for the $$
^^^ This.
So when someone puts #NoExcuses in their tweet pressuring and shaming ppl to attend a FB game, IMO it is mental laziness, and counterproductive. The University is entitled for ppl to attend their games? PPl are obligated to see a sporting event? Absurd in the extreme. Are ppl obligated to shop at local non-chain stores, buy Lordstown cars, eat at non-chain local restaurants....regardless of quality or their needs? Obviously not, they are supposed to value their hard-earned resources and spend them wisely, if they spend at all. Prove why it is worth spending valuable time and $$ to attend a YSU FB game. Why is Atlantic City (a drive from Philly and NYC) floundering and a remote city in the Nevada desert thriving? Las Vegas makes it an experience to go there. Be creative and make YSU FB an experience. I thought having Jerreau at an OOC game was a good start. As I mentioned earlier, you could have had a jumbo screen with the tOSU/MI game in a tailgate lot. You are not going to compete with tOSU esp when they are #2....may as well turn it to your advantage.
....or you can continue to b---- and shame ppl and hope it magically starts to work.
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We had the game clearly under control. We were simply better than them. The road to the championship runs through Eastern Washington. I think they can win the title this year.
I agree Power..The message was clear in this game..We are going to run the ball down your throat untill we impose our will on you. I thought Wells did a good job of managing the game and made some nice throws. The one to #5 over the middle on a 3rd and 9 was a thing of beauty. Mays also did a nice job when he was in there. For our defense to basically hold them to 10 points before the two late touchdowns is a statement. This was a offense that put up 40 points on a S.E.C. foe in the middle of the season. I think is was smart not having Kennedy kickoff untill he is 100%. Glad to get out of this week healthy and get another week of rest for some of the injured..I really like how this is coming together..The pieces are there in all 3 phases of the game.
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My daughter is getting married next Sunday in South Carolina about 3.5 hours from Jax State. I will drive over to the game on Saturday morning and be back in South Carolina Saturday night.
I think you have the wrong Jax State. The one we are playing is in Alabama. I live in near Hilton Head and it is 5.5 hour for me to drive. They are located East of Birmingham near Talladega.
Jax State fan and Jacksonville resident here. The trip from points west of Greenville can probably be made in 3.5 hours or less. North Augusta could also conceivably be within a 3.5-hour drive, but I'd plan on four. I was just on the Georgia side of the Savannah River for Thanksgiving, and it took about 3 hours, 45 minutes each way.
Safe travels on Saturday, Penguin Ice, and congrats to your daughter. I hope the Gamecocks make the outcome clear by halftime so you can get back early.
Were you in Savanah or west? How do you avoid Atlanta traffic? How far were you from Savannah?
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I tailgated all day. We all had a wonderful time. Till we get rid of the deadweight in the marketing department nothing will change and we all know who that person is. They knew they were competing with the Buckeye game and instead of avoided they should of embraced it and tied both games together. We have lost the casual fans and the bandwagon fans. We have lost population as well. The demographics will represent why so few. The media and print media are worthless. The last thing is. Cable tv and ESPN has destroyed attendance too. This area having Power 5 conference overlap doesn't care either about FCS football and why should they.
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Turning point of game was the Schuler punt that went to their 3 yd line and we took control from there. We were well prepared and made adjustments to their crossing pattern in the middle zone. The 2 junk td's were what they were junk. We let guys play that worked so hard all season and it gave them a chance to play in a playoff game. No shame there. Hunter is improving every week and Webb looked like he was faster than everybody last night. Bailey made some nice catches as well. I was watching our jumbo package and #88 made a few couple of crushing blocks. I like it when the have #11 standing up it gives us a different winkle. The drive to start the second half was a thing of beauty and that pass down the visitor sideline was a game breaker and Wells rolled out to do it. Hell he even ran a few times. No reason to be negative here the offense has improved and I think the cold wore Stamford down as well.
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I tailgated all day. We all had a wonderful time. Till we get rid of the deadweight in the marketing department nothing will change and we all know who that person is. They knew they were competing with the Buckeye game and instead of avoided they should of embraced it and tied both games together. We have lost the casual fans and the bandwagon fans. We have lost population as well. The demographics will represent why so few. The media and print media are worthless. The last thing is. Cable tv and ESPN has destroyed attendance too. This area having Power 5 conference overlap doesn't care either about FCS football and why should they.
The marketing department is worthless in promoting any YSU sports. Most of the time, I didn't even know the baskets get team was playing an home game.
For this playoff game, I follow the link to get information on the ysu sports website. It linked to a page that displayed the ticket information. In 3 seconds, it moved another page about other sports page. I backed it up to the page, in moved again before I could read it. After a few times, I was able to find the link it to view this page. It was about how students could get free tickets to the game. I was unable to get the information on how to get tickets until the next day. On Sunday, they only sold tickets to season tickets, penguin club members. Others had to wait till the next day. Why couldn't they sell tickets to the fans on their day off? How many fans got turned off with this policy without buying the tickets? I can see if the game was a potential sellout so you want to take care of your season ticket holder first. In this case, it was totally rediculous.
In many cases, the promotion required purchasing tickets a day before the game day and at the ticket office only. If they people want to come, sell them at the promotional discount at the door for the walkups.
They refused to give out faculty discount at the door. I asked for the reasons. I was told because they did not have the computer system to handle it. It has been 20 years and apparently they still have not figured it out ot care about it. I understand I could pay the full price like everyone else. However, they always complained that we didn't support our students at reduced price. Does it sound like they really try.
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YSU has one of the worst marketing departments I've ever seen. Things wont change until something in that department does.
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YSU has one of the worst marketing departments I've ever seen. Things wont change until something in that department does.
Not to belaboring the point, I had a team of STEM students entering into technical competitions against Akron, Case WRU, Cleveland State and Kent. Our students wore golf shirts proudly displayed the penguin logo, ysu and stem logos.
The following year, we had to remove the penguin logo at the direction of the marketing department since they owned the rights of the logo. Last time I checked, we are all belonging to the same university. Since the marketing is an entity of YSU and YSU actually owns the rights and not the marketing department. Furthermore, we had to remove all the Penguins logo from all the screens of our computers.
Somebody must be protecting these guys for them to have this kind of power within the university. IMO, our accomplishments in the college of STEM far exceeds the accomplishments of the athletes marketing department. We have figured out how to increase the enrollments of CSTEM every year and they can't even figure out how to sell a few more tickets.
Next time I see my colleagues in the marketing department of the Williamson College of Business, I should ask them to show them how it should be done.
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YSU has one of the worst marketing departments I've ever seen. Things wont change until something in that department does.
Not to belaboring the point, I had a team of STEM students entering into technical competitions against Akron, Case WRU, Cleveland State and Kent. Our students wore golf shirts proudly displayed the penguin logo, ysu and stem logos.
The following year, we had to remove the penguin logo at the direction of the marketing department since they owned the rights of the logo. Last time I checked, we are all belonging to the same university. Since the marketing is an entity of YSU and YSU actually owns the rights and not the marketing department. Furthermore, we had to remove all the Penguins logo from all the screens of our computers.
Somebody must be protecting these guys for them to have this kind of power within the university. IMO, our accomplishments in the college of STEM far exceeds the accomplishments of the athletes marketing department. We have figured out how to increase the enrollments of CSTEM every year and they can't even figure out how to sell a few more tickets.
Next time I see my colleagues in the marketing department of the Williamson College of Business, I should ask them to show them how it should be done.
It's ludicrous they asked you to remove the logos. Well forced looks like a more accurate term to be honest. What could the point of that possibly be outside of an ego pump for them that they made you do what they wanted? How can the school allow this? You weren't profiting from it at their expense, you were showing pride in your school. I don't get it. What a disgusting slap in the face.
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It's ludicrous they asked you to remove the logos. Well forced looks like a more accurate term to be honest. What could the point of that possibly be outside of an ego pump for them that they made you do what they wanted? How can the school allow this? You weren't profiting from it at their expense, you were showing pride in your school. I don't get it. What a disgusting slap in the face.
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Precisely, that was my argument with them. We were not selling the shirts for profit. They were provided to the scholars for free as their uniform to represent the university.
We now use the block Y for all our computer screen background. Many of our students still missed that cute little penguin.
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That is absolutely disgusting. They made you take the penguin logo off the students shirts? For real? How and why? There is no way they could win that argument legally. I know you probably weren't trying to make waves and complied, but if they tried to pass that on me I would take that to the court and the court of public opinion. I would have refused. And are you saying that's why the penguin logo was taken off the college of stem computer screensavers a couple years ago?
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YSU has one of the worst marketing departments I've ever seen. Things wont change until something in that department does.
Not to belaboring the point, I had a team of STEM students entering into technical competitions against Akron, Case WRU, Cleveland State and Kent. Our students wore golf shirts proudly displayed the penguin logo, ysu and stem logos.
The following year, we had to remove the penguin logo at the direction of the marketing department since they owned the rights of the logo. Last time I checked, we are all belonging to the same university. Since the marketing is an entity of YSU and YSU actually owns the rights and not the marketing department. Furthermore, we had to remove all the Penguins logo from all the screens of our computers.
Somebody must be protecting these guys for them to have this kind of power within the university. IMO, our accomplishments in the college of STEM far exceeds the accomplishments of the athletes marketing department. We have figured out how to increase the enrollments of CSTEM every year and they can't even figure out how to sell a few more tickets.
Next time I see my colleagues in the marketing department of the Williamson College of Business, I should ask them to show them how it should be done.
Well they sure as hell don't promote it so the fact that they did that is unbelievable. What a joke that department is.
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Do you peoole know anything regarding copyright laws? You can't use the YSU logo without receiving permission from the university. You can't just use the logo anywhere you feel like and have it be ok because you are a student or whatever.
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JP21 you do realize the university owns the computers they decided to force the logo of the screensaver right? The logo on the shirts is a separate discussion. But the screensaver?
Regarding copyright and trademark law, "Trademark infringement claims generally are based on one of three legal theories. The first is a “likelihood of confusion” concept – the idea that the infringer, through the use of the senior holder’s marks, creates among consumers confusion over the origin of the goods or services in question.
A second trademark infringement legal theory is a “dilution” concept – the idea that if the senior mark holder fails over time to take action to protect its intellectual property, the marks might become so commonplace as to be considered generic and therefore no longer protectable. Dilution is also premised on the idea that if widespread infringement of famous marks occurs, then the brand value of the famous marks will be diminished in value. Applying the criteria used by courts to evaluate dilution, it appears more likely that a university might succeed against a high school with a dilution argument than with a likelihood-of-confusion claim, although once again, no college has ever attempted to litigate a trademark dilution case against a school.
The third common trademark infringement legal theory is a “tarnishment” concept – the idea that the use of marks by an alleged infringer on inappropriate products or the involvement of the alleged infringer in a scandal of some sort might damage the value of the marks to the senior holder. For instance, if a high school athletics program using the nickname, logo and mascot of a university were to be involved in an incident of hazing, sexual harassment or other misconduct resulting in extensive media coverage, the university might be damaged by association. Again, however, no college has ever attempted to litigate a trademark tarnishment case against a school.
I ultimately realize for copyright infringement of the penguin mascot image, the university or copyright holder should be contacted to request permission for its use. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but one would think it shouldn't be an issue for a college affiliated student group. Idk.
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Do you peoole know anything regarding copyright laws? You can't use the YSU logo without receiving permission from the university. You can't just use the logo anywhere you feel like and have it be ok because you are a student or whatever.
I worked for the research department one of the largest corporation in the world for over 30 years before coming to YSU. I have worked on patents for our new products with the legal department for years. While I was there, I also worked with YSU's Vice President of research and the legal department to establish academic partnership to collaborate research between the two organizations. You do not have to tell me about copy rights.
This is an internal use within the organization. Copy right does not apply here. It is all about control.
YSU requires us to use the block Y for our communications with organization outside the university. We were asked to use the official version. Block Y and another logo are both copy rights. We were not asked to seek permissions. Everyone of our students' presentations, research posters and research papers carries the YSU logo on them. Do you really think they have enough manpower to handle the requests? Is this how the department create life time job guarantees? Their jobs are to sell the products (tickets).
My job is to educate my students and not worrying about my student gives my lecture notes (my intellectual property) to another student without my permissions.
Enough discussions here and I will not address the issue anymore.
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Wick hit the nail on the head. To add to his point big changes are needed over there. The person I charge is clearly over his head. Even the selection of advertising agencies has been substandard. Does anyone ever remember the Mahoning County Green Team commercials? We they were horrible. I could make a better commercial from my garage. Anyhow, in one of the commercials they dressed Mahoning county solid waste employees in some sort of dinosaur costumes in the commercial. The commercial was so bad that it was embarrassing to some of their employees. Well, we hire the same agency. The season ticket commercials are bad too. You don't play the YSU fight song on a commercial where you are trying to bring in new people. They aren't familiar with it. You need to appear to the masses. the whole thing is bad all the way around.
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I hate to say that the school is correct here, but their logo guidelines are pretty straight forward and no different than any other school. I have to obtain permission to use them and I have to use the correct logos. They retain the right to tell me to stop using them at any time. Colors, size and type are all regulated and/or trademarked. Pete the Penguin is for athletics & not an academic logo ...that is the block "Y", the letters logo, and the actual use the words "Youngstown State University". Even the font and amount of white-space is defined. Pretty common in the marketing world actually. I work in the field.
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Wick hit the nail on the head. To add to his point big changes are needed over there. The person I charge is clearly over his head. Even the selection of advertising agencies has been substandard. Does anyone ever remember the Mahoning County Green Team commercials? We they were horrible. I could make a better commercial from my garage. Anyhow, in one of the commercials they dressed Mahoning county solid waste employees in some sort of dinosaur costumes in the commercial. The commercial was so bad that it was embarrassing to some of their employees. Well, we hire the same agency. The season ticket commercials are bad too. You don't play the YSU fight song on a commercial where you are trying to bring in new people. They aren't familiar with it. You need to appear to the masses. the whole thing is bad all the way around.
The short-lived Youngstown to Chicago flights this past summer, before the issues with the airline were uncovered, had some great locally produced commercials. Palo Creative produced them and they were top notch. They had previously done work at the Pittsburgh airport. They are a local outfit that does very professional work. I only mention it because I was so impressed with how a local firm produced such a quality commercial. We know some of the substandard work a few local outfits do every election season for some candidates.