YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: ytownchief22 on September 14, 2016, 09:55:27 AM
Title: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 14, 2016, 09:55:27 AM
Game should be a blowout as RMU is not very good at all. They are on their 3rd string QB... Bo said a lot of players are banged up, including Ricky who did not practice yesterday. Also said Brock is progressing nicely from a foot injury and could play this week. I would hold out all injured or semi injured players with the bye next week and get 100% healthy for conference play.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: go guins on September 14, 2016, 10:49:57 AM
Game should be a blowout as RMU is not very good at all. They are on their 3rd string QB... Bo said a lot of players are banged up, including Ricky who did not practice yesterday. Also said Brock is progressing nicely from a foot injury and could play this week. I would hold out all injured or semi injured players with the bye next week and get 100% healthy for conference play.
Ditto on the "hold out" thought. If we need Ricky and Brock to beat RM, then we will get killed in the MVFC anyway. Anyway, I want to see full game from the start for Hosick (with mop-up duty for Wells)
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 14, 2016, 11:27:36 AM
Bo just didn't seem happy in his most recent press conference. Several questions were ask about Robert Morris and he either tried to dodge them or praise them for whatever he could. They had a total of 16 passing yards last week and 49 yards rushing. I believe they start two DT's that weight around 230-240. It's going to be ugly..Mooney or Boardman could probably beat them
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 14, 2016, 11:31:22 AM
When does Bo ever look happy during a press conference ? ;) I agree though, not much to say about Bobby other than to say they stink.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Wick250 on September 14, 2016, 12:19:33 PM
Their veteran quarterback probably returns from injury this week. How much that makes them resemble a real college football team, who knows. One could argue that we are not good enough to overlook anybody. Look no further than last year against these guys after we played well in Pittsburgh.
This does shape up as exactly what we did not need right before our conference opener. Weak opponent, projected bad weather, another stupid 4:00 start with a poor crowd. Not conducive to building up interest or confidence before South Dakota.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: go guins on September 14, 2016, 12:20:01 PM
Bo just didn't seem happy in his most recent press conference. Several questions were ask about Robert Morris and he either tried to dodge them or praise them for whatever he could. They had a total of 16 passing yards last week and 49 yards rushing. I believe they start two DT's that weight around 230-240. It's going to be ugly..Mooney or Boardman could probably beat them
You were doing good up until the "Mooney or Boardman" remark. Besides being wrong, let's not be offensive to young men that are trying hard.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 14, 2016, 12:47:48 PM
I will give them credit they did win 4 games last year and gave us a scare of a life time. When you lose to a D2 school it's never a good thing. If they beat Malone next week I will be very Surprised. I understand the reasons for both programs having a game like this but in the long run it does more damage then good
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: go guins on September 14, 2016, 01:24:46 PM
So far they had scored 7 points and in a perfect world I would love a "throw the ball all over the field" team to give our secondary some work, but now you are hoping for -0- injuries and some backup experience. (At least I hope, after the overtime mess last year!) Last year's RM game was what happens when you look ahead!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 14, 2016, 02:29:02 PM
I just looked at RMHS's stats. Geez. I'd be surprised if this ramshackle team not only scores, but generates 100 yards of offense. The red zone should be as unattainable as a date with Rihanna. The D2 team that beat them lost the following week. Maybe have the healthy first team in for a series or two, anyone injured sits, and let everyone play. Have Trent in for the first half, and get Mays in there early. We may need Trent to start for the MVFC opener.
I was surprised to see RMHS ranked as high as 111 out of 125 FCS schools by Massey (YSU #13). This game will generate as much hype as watching paint dry.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUFANSINCE1990 on September 14, 2016, 03:07:57 PM
Our scheduling sucks, until athletic department shows me I am wrong, we are afraid to play quality FCS opponents outside of conference.
Look at UNI, back to back weeks Montana and Eastern Washington; ND State played Eastern Washington and Charleston. We play two scrimmages. And they wonder why fans don't show up.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 14, 2016, 05:30:43 PM
Our scheduling sucks, until athletic department shows me I am wrong, we are afraid to play quality FCS opponents outside of conference.
Look at UNI, back to back weeks Montana and Eastern Washington; ND State played Eastern Washington and Charleston. We play two scrimmages. And they wonder why fans don't show up.
What makes you think more people would show up if we scheduled any one of those opponents? I bet not a single ticket sale increase (possibly students). IMO ... Until we show that we can get to and perform well in the post-season, what you say is simply not true. Then at that point it does not matter, there will be people waiting at will-call for the tickets the hard-core fans will give up.
Look at all the lightweight crap that Tressel scheduled. Multiple D-II's on more than one occasion. MAC teams that were much less powerful than the conference teams of today. Yet we had sellouts based on weather. Same thing will happen now. We just simply need the weakest possible schedule to make the play-off. Nothing else matters.
Back then people called OSU cowards for being afraid to play us. Then teams better than Tressel's were manhandled down in Columbus. We were better-off having never played Ohio State ...less $1.5mil of course. Now you want to play the toughest schedules to make people think that you are a good team. When we start beating the top-20 teams in the post-season, again no one will care. Win and they will come.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: guinpen on September 14, 2016, 08:07:06 PM
Our scheduling sucks, until athletic department shows me I am wrong, we are afraid to play quality FCS opponents outside of conference.
Look at UNI, back to back weeks Montana and Eastern Washington; ND State played Eastern Washington and Charleston. We play two scrimmages. And they wonder why fans don't show up.
A YSU fan would show up if for no other reason but to see YSU play and support the team.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 14, 2016, 08:30:08 PM
YSU football is a product YSU is selling to its market. The consumers need to be convinced that the value of YSU FB is > than the cost, time, and effort of going to the game. If all hopes rest on brand loyalty, well, you wont have any trouble finding a good parking spot or an even better seat.
Playing 2 NEC games insults our D1 athletes. It tells them this is the best their leadership thinks they can handle. The OOC schedule is an absurdity that will continue for as long as moRon remains AD (another absurdity).
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 14, 2016, 08:49:06 PM
Our scheduling sucks, until athletic department shows me I am wrong, we are afraid to play quality FCS opponents outside of conference.
Look at UNI, back to back weeks Montana and Eastern Washington; ND State played Eastern Washington and Charleston. We play two scrimmages. And they wonder why fans don't show up.
We just simply need the weakest possible schedule to make the play-off. Nothing else matters.
1AA , I get what your saying. Then again I ask myself what does playing Duquesne and RMU do for the Guins in terms of getting them ready for conference play. SD could beat North Dakota this week and come into Stambaugh with 2 victories over Big Sky opponents-Advantage Coyotes. Say if we beat them and they finish with the same conference record and they up end SDSU and we don't we stay home and they go. Even the Illinois teams in our conference are scheduling OVC teams and beating them and the same OVC teams are beating the MAC teams..Just saying the committee looks very hard at these match-ups when selection time comes around. That's why I'm in favor of a stronger non-conference schedule. Then again I realize we need the extra revenue that home games can generate, but I would rather be prepared for conference play and make the playoffs based on strength of schedule. If I had the extra money I would gladly give it to the University
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 14, 2016, 09:14:16 PM
YSU football is a product YSU is selling to its market. The consumers need to be convinced that the value of YSU FB is > than the cost, time, and effort of going to the game. If all hopes rest on brand loyalty, well, you wont have any trouble finding a good parking spot or an even better seat.
Playing 2 NEC games insults our D1 athletes. It tells them this is the best their leadership thinks they can handle. The OOC schedule is an absurdity that will continue for as long as moRon remains AD (another absurdity).
Good point!! It does make you wonder what our players are thinking behind closed doors. In any successful business you need to spend money to make money and take chances along the way. I wish the University would have that same approach with football
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 14, 2016, 09:26:47 PM
YSU football is a product YSU is selling to its market. The consumers need to be convinced that the value of YSU FB is > than the cost, time, and effort of going to the game. If all hopes rest on brand loyalty, well, you wont have any trouble finding a good parking spot or an even better seat.
Playing 2 NEC games insults our D1 athletes. It tells them this is the best their leadership thinks they can handle. The OOC schedule is an absurdity that will continue for as long as moRon remains AD (another absurdity).
You are dreaming. DO you actually think there is an educated market out there? Our community would rather sit the stands of some HS and remember when they were cool, or can better understand the play-calling. Strollo schedules fine for what we are. Why don't you blame your man Tressel? Funny, people on this board think that anything good with the program is Tressel and anything else is Strollo ...LOL. You are all a bunch of cowards looking to justify lack of support. Read what guinpen posted just two comments back about fans. Then when someone calls you out:
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Wick250 on September 14, 2016, 11:52:08 PM
We have gone over this scheduling business too many times. Always remember that it is the loge rental revenue that drives everything. It generates more money than gate receipts from common folk. It is paid up front, it is immune to bad weather, and, very, very unfortunately, it does not differentiate Robert Morris from Northern Iowa. We must play six home games because we cannot afford to forfeit 1/6th of that loge revenue. And there is another important factor. The folks that buy those loges, and there is a waiting list, are also the biggest university donors. You cannot alienate those guys. And many of them (not all) know so little about sports that they can not distinguish between a Robert Morris and somebody good. Say what you want about Ron Strollo (and my record proves that I am not his fan,) the man sucks up to our fat cats about as well as any mid-major athletic director in the country.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 15, 2016, 08:32:55 AM
Wick, I do understand the importance of the 6th home game. Still other M.V.C. Schools only play 5 home games because the other conferences they play want the home and away. A large part of this has to do with logistics. I would rather trade a home game for a home playoff game any day of the week. Is there any other F.C.S. conference out there better then the N.E.C. that would come to us each year?
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 15, 2016, 08:43:48 AM
Wick, I do understand the importance of the 6th home game. Still other M.V.C. Schools only play 5 home games because the other conferences they play want the home and away. A large part of this has to do with logistics. I would rather trade a home game for a home playoff game any day of the week. Is there any other F.C.S. conference out there better then the N.E.C. that would come to us each year?
No and one of the two that exist is soon going to require a return. Probably already is.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 15, 2016, 09:24:37 AM
Thank you Fan and Wick for all the info. I just want the playoffs desperately and don't want the lack of non-conference strength to come back and bite us is all. Hopefully Duquesne can win their conference and RMU can get things turned around and we can get off to a good start in conference play
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 15, 2016, 09:38:12 AM
And when they build the east side multimedia center next year and put all the radio and television guys over there, it frees up even more loge space for more money to flow in.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 15, 2016, 10:25:31 AM
We have gone over this scheduling business too many times. Always remember that it is the loge rental revenue that drives everything. It generates more money than gate receipts from common folk. It is paid up front, it is immune to bad weather, and, very, very unfortunately, it does not differentiate Robert Morris from Northern Iowa. We must play six home games because we cannot afford to forfeit 1/6th of that loge revenue. And there is another important factor. The folks that buy those loges, and there is a waiting list, are also the biggest university donors. You cannot alienate those guys. And many of them (not all) know so little about sports that they can not distinguish between a Robert Morris and somebody good. Say what you want about Ron Strollo (and my record proves that I am not his fan,) the man sucks up to our fat cats about as well as any mid-major athletic director in the country.
There was a horribly painful pregame radio interview with moRon who claimed a necessity for six home games. However, in 2013 and 2014, both of which were 12 game seasons, we played 7 home games. If six is a "magic number", why not be innovative with the extra game? Am I supposed to believe that if we played five home games, loge patrons would walk away, but are content and have a waiting list with six? It makes no sense...because it has no sense.
The answer is that all OOC, non-solitary $$ games are 1AAA opponents under moRon. Kent was just beat by a MEAC school that they paid >$300K to. My understanding is home games generate ~$200k. So we forego $100K of revenue because of a false fear of POing loge renters?
The truth is with an OOC schedule that preps our team for conference play (rather than softening them), there would more likely be at least two additional home games/season...playoff home games...in which you'd have higher occupancy in the stands (and obviously the loge folk)..and would be much further ahead financially (I realize playoff games have a buy in, but its a fraction of MAC game revenue).
There are intangibles with enhanced hype created by a better OOC schedule, such as apparel sales, interest in the University as a whole, etc.
My preference would be to replace one NEC game with a MAC away game. My plan B would be a home/home with a CAA team, giving us 6 regular home game every other year. Some may still consider Delaware a rival, and IMO is our second best all time rivalry. JMU would be also exciting.
Only the hamster-wheel brain of moRon could conclude that we are trapped with a NEC junior membership. There are much better options.
....and oh yeah....Jerry Slocum is still the MBB HC.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ysuguins4 on September 15, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
My preference would be to replace one NEC game with a MAC away game.
I'm with you. I would much rather drive to Kent or Akron for a game than play a second NEC or Pioneer Conference team. Based on the money Kent and Akron have payed FCS schools recently, it would offset the loss of a 6th home game.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 15, 2016, 01:37:51 PM
Nation you have said this same thing 1,001 times. So here is response 1,001:
The MAC can kiss-off. No return ...no game. Any game scheduled with a MAC school must be home and home, with the MAC school traveling to Stambaugh FIRST.
I want as many home games as possible EVERY year ..not every other. The game itself is only one part of a Penguin game day experience. I guess you have to be a fan to know that.
Until YSU has regular postseason experience, I want the two easiest DI games we can get. On 12-game seasons, we need to be scheduling the MVFC team that would would be that season's normal Bye-game. I do not care about playing other conferences, as YSU is not in those conferences. My hope would be to defeat them in the post-season.
The former non-scholarship schools (like Duquesne) will be full scholarship in 2-years. At that point all of those AD's are going to demand return games. So I would like to schedule Duquesne and RMU because they are only an hour's drive for the fans.
You seem to forget that we are in the toughest conference in I-AA/FCS, so any of these non-conference teams should be inferior to us.
I do not have an ego to boost in the OOC regular season, I have one to show in the post-season and in conference play.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: go guins on September 15, 2016, 02:31:29 PM
"The MAC can kiss-off. No return ...no game. Any game scheduled with a MAC school must be home and home, with the MAC school traveling to Stambaugh FIRST."
1AA, I hate to say this but you are more than wrong, you are DAMN FAR WRONG! I agree, I'd rather drive to Kent or Akron than watch Dayton etc.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: HappyPenguin on September 15, 2016, 03:06:47 PM
The schedule maker doesn't care about us being entertained. Money is the only factor here, and the home loge money drives that. Therefore we "need" to schedule teams that can come in on the cheap.
That's it as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 15, 2016, 04:12:26 PM
Nation you have said this same thing 1,001 times. So here is response 1,001:
The MAC can kiss-off. No return ...no game. Any game scheduled with a MAC school must be home and home, with the MAC school traveling to Stambaugh FIRST.
I want as many home games as possible EVERY year ..not every other. The game itself is only one part of a Penguin game day experience. I guess you have to be a fan to know that.
Until YSU has regular postseason experience, I want the two easiest DI games we can get. On 12-game seasons, we need to be scheduling the MVFC team that would would be that season's normal Bye-game. I do not care about playing other conferences, as YSU is not in those conferences. My hope would be to defeat them in the post-season.
The former non-scholarship schools (like Duquesne) will be full scholarship in 2-years. At that point all of those AD's are going to demand return games. So I would like to schedule Duquesne and RMU because they are only an hour's drive for the fans.
You seem to forget that we are in the toughest conference in I-AA/FCS, so any of these non-conference teams should be inferior to us.
I do not have an ego to boost in the OOC regular season, I have one to show in the post-season and in conference play.
You and Strollo are the only ones who think that. No mac school is going to travel to an FCS school, which is what we still are. FCS. Get real.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 15, 2016, 04:51:46 PM
I do not have an ego to boost in the OOC regular season, I have one to show in the post-season and in conference play.
NEWS FLASH: We've made the playoffs once in the Strollo era. IT'S NOT WORKING.
Conference play? Is RMU on Saturday going to prepare us for UNI, SDSU, and NDSU?
What is the primary objective of the non-money game OOC schedule?
If it's revenue generation, as I detailed above, the current scheduling model doesn't even accomplish that. If it's winning, and representing the YSU brand, it absolutely doesn't accomplish that. If it's about reducing the costs of cleaning up Stambaugh after games, and causing less traffic on campus on gameday, it definitely accomplishes that.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: goodnews on September 15, 2016, 04:54:45 PM
What do the OOC schedules look like for 2017 (Pitt) and 2018 (WVU)... Any plans for 2019?
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Wick250 on September 15, 2016, 06:07:04 PM
Nation,
Here is the flaw in your scheduling plan that includes the CAA. The athletic directors at the better schools in that conference are doing the exact same thing that Strollo does.
Delaware plays lowly Delaware State (MEAC) and Lafayette (Patriot) before Wake Forest JMU plays lowly Morehead State and Central Connecticut (NEC) before North Carolina
A P5 and two dogs, then their conference schedule. Neither school would want a real game with us.
As far as playing MAC schools on the road instead of the sixth home game, I disagree with you and have no interest in debating a dead issue. However, in response to your suggestion earlier in this thread, we would actually lose money playing at Kent. The 200k revenue from the home game does not include loge revenue which is kept in a separate account. If you include that money, each home game yields over 400k.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ValleyTalk on September 15, 2016, 06:08:40 PM
I would propose that in the years with 12 games, we either schedule a nearby MAC school in addition to a P5 school, or arrange a home/home with another FCS school.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: The YO Show on September 15, 2016, 08:38:29 PM
Valley, that is a good compromise between all viewpoints, alas it would only work when we would have a 12th game
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: guinpen on September 15, 2016, 08:45:12 PM
Nation you have said this same thing 1,001 times. So here is response 1,001:
The MAC can kiss-off. No return ...no game. Any game scheduled with a MAC school must be home and home, with the MAC school traveling to Stambaugh FIRST.
I want as many home games as possible EVERY year ..not every other. The game itself is only one part of a Penguin game day experience. I guess you have to be a fan to know that.
Until YSU has regular postseason experience, I want the two easiest DI games we can get. On 12-game seasons, we need to be scheduling the MVFC team that would would be that season's normal Bye-game. I do not care about playing other conferences, as YSU is not in those conferences. My hope would be to defeat them in the post-season.
The former non-scholarship schools (like Duquesne) will be full scholarship in 2-years. At that point all of those AD's are going to demand return games. So I would like to schedule Duquesne and RMU because they are only an hour's drive for the fans.
You seem to forget that we are in the toughest conference in I-AA/FCS, so any of these non-conference teams should be inferior to us.
I do not have an ego to boost in the OOC regular season, I have one to show in the post-season and in conference play.
You and Strollo are the only ones who think that. No mac school is going to travel to an FCS school, which is what we still are. FCS. Get real.
Add me to the group, I have a long memory no games at Kent or Akron until they play here again.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ScarletRook on September 15, 2016, 09:37:42 PM
The new(est) administration at Akron may change things in the near future. The foundation may fund the football program, but there is a lot of faculty willing to ruffle feathers whether it is their business or not.
But first we have R.M. to play so to keep the focus....GO GUINS!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 15, 2016, 10:50:17 PM
FYI: The reason Kent of Akron have come to YSU first is because they will simply ask us to travel there, and then cancel the return. Happens all the time.
Again, if we are supposedly in the strongest conference, then why not schedule the conference bye in 12-game seasons?
Right now we have to worry about getting those additional loges built, as soon Duquesne will want a return game and we need the revenue that we will lose.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 15, 2016, 10:59:54 PM
FYI: The reason Kent of Akron have come to YSU first is because they will simply ask us to travel there, and then cancel the return. Happens all the time.
Again, if we are supposedly in the strongest conference, then why not schedule the conference bye in 12-game seasons?
Right now we have to worry about getting those additional loges built, as soon Duquesne will want a return game and we need the revenue that we will lose.
LOL. The day we play a game AT Duquesne with their 2,000 seat stadium is the day I stop caring about YSU football. Joke.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 16, 2016, 02:44:55 AM
Just watched the Dayton and Robert Morris game. I have to give them some credit Defensively. Both of their defensive ends our pretty good players along with their nose guard. The linebackers are all undersized and around 200. Their secondary shows a decent abillity to cover at times.The only points they scored this year was on a kickoff return against Alderson Broaddus. Last year I thought their offensive line was the strength of their team, but not this year. Rivers and Moss and company will have a field day
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 16, 2016, 09:52:54 AM
Here is the flaw in your scheduling plan that includes the CAA. The athletic directors at the better schools in that conference are doing the exact same thing that Strollo does.
Delaware plays lowly Delaware State (MEAC) and Lafayette (Patriot) before Wake Forest JMU plays lowly Morehead State and Central Connecticut (NEC) before North Carolina
A P5 and two dogs, then their conference schedule. Neither school would want a real game with us.
As far as playing MAC schools on the road instead of the sixth home game, I disagree with you and have no interest in debating a dead issue. However, in response to your suggestion earlier in this thread, we would actually lose money playing at Kent. The 200k revenue from the home game does not include loge revenue which is kept in a separate account. If you include that money, each home game yields over 400k.
Wick, the CAA was only an example, but now that you mention it, maybe we are more suited for the CAA (ranked 5th in FCS) if we are so similar in our anemic OOC schedule. In order to be on par with our MVFC competition, we need an OOC schedule similar to theirs, and others in the MVFC can find legit OOC games, I'm sure we could.
Do you have any links with those numbers? They are very different than revenue #s I've seen before. I'd rather be proven wrong than misinformed. For example, according to this (http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2015/07/youngstown_state_-_draft.html), our ticket revenue/home FB game is $67, 460. For non-loge revenue to be $200k, we are getting >$130k/game in advertising revenue? In order, to get $200k in loge revenue/game, YSU is receiving $7,692/loge/game (based on 26 loges), and >$46k/loge/season? Is that right? If so, those are stratospheric #s, particularly in the Ytown market, than what I believed them to be. So we get $400k for playing RMU at home, and $500k (minus travel expenses) for playing WVU? Maybe RMU should also be referred to as a money game.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 16, 2016, 11:43:21 AM
The 200k revenue from the home game does not include loge revenue which is kept in a separate account. If you include that money, each home game yields over 400k.
Do you have a link to those figures? That seems high. In an article Joe Scalzo published on 9/10/14, Strollo told Joe, "YSU nets about $200,000 for each home football game through a combination of ticket sales, loge sales, corporate sponsorships (whose advertisements get more exposure), concessions, merchandise and parking."
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Wick250 on September 16, 2016, 12:31:11 PM
Nation,
About four years ago, sports-related figures that were reported to the government became available. I wished that I had saved these, but I didn't. That is how we learned that the loge revenue surpassed the ticket receipts in any given year.
As far as how much money we make on a single game, that 67k figure does not hold up. Let's figure a crowd of 13k.
Start with about 5,000 season ticket holders (used to be over 6k, tanked under Wolford, then recovered under Pelini, or so I am told.) Say half of them (2500) pay full price which is $18....that is 45k. The rest get university discounts which is half-price....that is 22.5k more.
Include 1,000 students which is 0. Then add 7,000 non-season ticket individual game buyers. Say 6,000 buying reserved seats....108k, and 1,000 purchasing general admission....about 16k
That comes out to over 191k, not counting concessions or advertising. So I think that your 200k estimate is more accurate than the figure reported in that report. And, of course, that does not count the loges.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 16, 2016, 03:10:41 PM
Not even one prediction for tomorrow's game ?
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 16, 2016, 03:23:09 PM
7,000 to 10
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 16, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
The 200k revenue from the home game does not include loge revenue which is kept in a separate account. If you include that money, each home game yields over 400k.
Do you have a link to those figures? That seems high. In an article Joe Scalzo published on 9/10/14, Strollo told Joe, "YSU nets about $200,000 for each home football game through a combination of ticket sales, loge sales, corporate sponsorships (whose advertisements get more exposure), concessions, merchandise and parking."
Here's the quote:
"YSU nets about $200,000 for each home football game through a combination of ticket sales, loge sales, corporate sponsorships (whose advertisements get more exposure), concessions, merchandise and parking."
"He (Wolford) said he would be in favor of playing another money game, even if it’s against a Mid-American Conference team like Akron or Kent." “Eric’s not afraid to play anyone."
One of the reasons I liked Wolford. Dude had a pulse and a pair.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: peteonastick on September 16, 2016, 05:00:53 PM
Maybe for the first quarter and as the YSU touchdowns add up and the rain falls and kickoff for the OSU-OU game gets closer - look for about 500 in the stands by the 3rd quarter...should have been a 1:00 game as Bo wanted. Would have been a great day of football for the YSU-OSU fans out there. There is no way to avoid the Buckeye Nation and the power they have. You have to realize it and work around it.
GO GUINS
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 16, 2016, 05:12:55 PM
I predict we will punt very little or not at all and Zac Kennedy will have a sore leg after the game
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 16, 2016, 05:20:16 PM
I predict most RMU players will reluctantly take the field, although a few will be found clustered in the locker room rocking back and forth in a fetal position and blowing snot bubbles. A few players from both teams will be later seen at C Staples in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: guinpen on September 16, 2016, 05:44:50 PM
FYI: The reason Kent of Akron have come to YSU first is because they will simply ask us to travel there, and then cancel the return. Happens all the time.
Again, if we are supposedly in the strongest conference, then why not schedule the conference bye in 12-game seasons?
Right now we have to worry about getting those additional loges built, as soon Duquesne will want a return game and we need the revenue that we will lose.
LOL. The day we play a game AT Duquesne with their 2,000 seat stadium is the day I stop caring about YSU football. Joke.
Wow interesting comment
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 16, 2016, 06:24:03 PM
while it is fresh ...please let's not blame the opponent for tomorrow's rain-game attendance. You know as well as I that it will be a bs lie. I think the only rain game sellout ever was against UNI ...I think it was 2006 or 07. Tressel never sold out a home rain game ...even in the post-season with only 16k seats. I was at every home game in the entire Tressel tenure. The closest he came was that first Akron game, where we had rain and a great crowd. I think that was his second year. Those were the days where fans stood around the fence though and looked for free ...no visitors seats. Awesome site to see.
Go Guins 42-10 good guys.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: peteonastick on September 16, 2016, 06:50:16 PM
I predict most RMU players will reluctantly take the field, although a few will be found clustered in the locker room rocking back and forth in a fetal position and blowing snot bubbles. A few players from both teams will be later seen at C Staples in the third quarter.
Just telling you like it is...attended way to many of these games at Stambaugh...it is a perfect storm...the triumvirate of disaster, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost of football conflict - rain, weak opponent, OSU on at 7:30 with OU (Which has the Mooney following to boot)...the three factors that lead to poor attendance.
GO GUINS
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 16, 2016, 07:22:05 PM
I predict most RMU players will reluctantly take the field, although a few will be found clustered in the locker room rocking back and forth in a fetal position and blowing snot bubbles. A few players from both teams will be later seen at C Staples in the third quarter.
Just telling you like it is...attended way to many of these games at Stambaugh...it is a perfect storm...the triumvirate of disaster, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost of football conflict - rain, weak opponent, OSU on at 7:30 with OU (Which has the Mooney following to boot)...the three factors that lead to poor attendance.
GO GUINS
The game is going to be moved to the WATTS. why should 30 fans get wet?
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: HappyPenguin on September 16, 2016, 08:24:02 PM
I predict most RMU players will reluctantly take the field, although a few will be found clustered in the locker room rocking back and forth in a fetal position and blowing snot bubbles. A few players from both teams will be later seen at C Staples in the third quarter.
Just telling you like it is...attended way to many of these games at Stambaugh...it is a perfect storm...the triumvirate of disaster, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost of football conflict - rain, weak opponent, OSU on at 7:30 with OU (Which has the Mooney following to boot)...the three factors that lead to poor attendance.
GO GUINS
The game is going to be moved to the WATTS. why should 30 fans get wet?
Haha I like it
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 16, 2016, 10:10:11 PM
Maybe 1,000 in attendance tomorrow. And yes we can, and will blame the opponent.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: guinpen on September 16, 2016, 10:57:09 PM
Ok so here is a suggestion, there are folks on this board that are convinced they have a better understanding of how to run a Division 1 football program then the folks now running it. Better understanding of the costs of running such a program. Better understanding of how to generate funds. Better idea of how to put together a schedule. Hey maybe you do have a better idea. So put that knowledge to work, put the details in writing and present them to the AD, if he does not listen go to JT if he does not listen go to the trustees. If none of them listen let us know. Trust me when I say that I do not have a horse in this race, anything that can improve YSU football I am for.
In the meantime how about we agree to support our team and be upbeat.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ScarletRook on September 17, 2016, 06:22:42 AM
Well Guinpen, I thought we had a solution. Blame the people who follow Ohio State. Blame the people that follow N.D. Blame the uneducated football people that follow high school football to re-live their glory days. Just don't hold anyone accountable for putting out an inferior product. Heck, we might even be able to get government subsidies for doing such.
OK, sarcasm aside - you have a very valid point. I know JT reads his mail as I have gotten replies. The rest...who knows?
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 17, 2016, 07:44:08 AM
Rise and shine fans it's penguins game day !! The kids fun day has been cancelled do to the expected rain. I just hope we don't go through the motions like last year. Never a easy thing for the players or fans to get up for a game like this, but it is what it is
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 17, 2016, 12:31:10 PM
NDSU 7 Iowa 0
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Buddy on September 17, 2016, 12:49:41 PM
7-7
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 17, 2016, 01:05:02 PM
Iowa 14-7
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 17, 2016, 02:04:19 PM
14-14 3rd
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ValleyTalk on September 17, 2016, 02:15:01 PM
"@YSURickyDavis: I'll be back, thanks for the prayers. We're in good hands with Mays and Hosick. Let's get the W! #GU1N6"
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 17, 2016, 02:23:13 PM
Jaws could play QB today and we would still win.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 17, 2016, 06:45:30 PM
This Quarterback play needs to improve..Thankfully Robert Morris is struggling Offensively
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: OleYSUfan on September 17, 2016, 06:55:23 PM
Trent can run, but he is very weak at passing. If he can't find open receivers against Bobby Morris, there is very little chance against MVFC teams. Ricky get well!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 17, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
Ricky is by far the best QB on this team. Smart to hold him out this week, need him healthy for conference play.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: KilrpengWin on September 17, 2016, 07:13:39 PM
Depressing. Disappointing, and Disturbing! My own fault thou. The next time I'll know better than to watch North Dakota State beforehand........... :-[
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: penguinpower on September 17, 2016, 07:14:36 PM
What have I been saying? Horrible. Rather have a bye.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: KilrpengWin on September 17, 2016, 07:26:39 PM
What have I been saying? Horrible. Rather have a bye.
You're wish is granted! We'll be better next week! ;)
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 17, 2016, 08:58:01 PM
Did what they had to. Get healthy and lets move forward.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ValleyTalk on September 17, 2016, 10:21:20 PM
Thought some folks on here wanted to see more of Hosick after his play last week vs. WVU. Well he had a chance to shine against a weak opponent and his performance left a lot to be desired. I'll take the win and the bye week to get our guys healthy.
Look forward to getting Ricky and Jody back for MVFC play!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 17, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
Looking forward to Mays taking the team, but with Wells leaving? Hosick has thrown a key INT in every game/scrimmage that I have seen this year.
Kick coverage took a step backwards today.
We are still giving up the big gain plays. Sweeps and slant passes open all day. That RMU TE dropped a sure td pass at the end of the game.
O line surprisingly struggled today. At least at times.
Did you guys hear the pregame? Interesting that coach Shane took on the punting this year. Not kicking.
THANKS FOR THE PANTS!!!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 17, 2016, 10:51:50 PM
Looking forward to Mays taking the team, but with Wells leaving? Hosick has thrown a key INT in every game/scrimmage that I have seen this year.
Kick coverage took a step backwards today.
We are still giving up the big gain plays. Sweeps and slant passes open all day. That RMU TE dropped a sure td pass at the end of the game.
O line surprisingly struggled today. At least at times.
Did you guys hear the pregame? Interesting that coach Shane took on the punting this year. Not kicking.
THANKS FOR THE PANTS!!!
Mays is not taking the team over....
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUGO on September 18, 2016, 07:50:27 AM
All I learned from this game is if Ricky Davis is our best option at QB we are in trouble. Hosick performance was mediocre and against that competition he should have destroyed it. I don't want to hear that we weren't up for the game and it's the competition and we aren't showing anything. The league already know what this sh**ty offense will do after what 8 yrs of Monty. Let's hope we win 7 games. I am in the Penguin Club and spend good money and what I see is a program with no identity or direction and I think it's time to pull the plug on me giving so much. Let me clarify about Davis. We expose him to to many unnecessary hits and he doesnt protect himself as well and play smart. I like him but just don't see him staying healthy. Makes me sad I love YSU but it's on fumes right now and if it's losing my interest why would the casual fan want to come see them play. Well newsflash! They aren't. Especially against that competition.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 18, 2016, 09:12:09 AM
Good post YSUGO!! I know Bo is never really happy in his press conferences, but he was VERY upset with the offense. RMU had Hosick figured out to a T and he should've been picked at least 3 times. They defended the run pretty good against him and that was a weak team from the NEC. They would have done the same to Ricky, But Davis would have been more effective. All what it takes is a few games for these other teams to figure our Quarterbacks out. We need to start being more effective in the passing game. These 40 and 50% completion rates will not get it done plus our Qb's are going to get killed. To bad that Wells will be leaving..Best of luck to him !!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Buddy on September 18, 2016, 09:18:16 AM
Is Wells still on the team now or did he already transfer? I thought I saw him on sidelines calling in plays. If he is still there I would have used him. I still think if we were going to use two QBs he would have been better to use. And we could have seen if there was improvement.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: IAA Fan on September 18, 2016, 10:08:10 AM
Yes Well's is definitely the best passer of the 3. Not sure he is better than Mays though ...we have not seen Mays in real action. Bo has no right to complain about Hosick.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 18, 2016, 10:19:21 AM
Mays should have started the second half. A missed opportunity in my honest opinion
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ValleyTalk on September 18, 2016, 10:44:39 AM
As an aside, Lynn Bowden was offered by YSU: @h_huncho: Blessed and honored to receive and offer from my home town college Youngstown State ⭕️⭕️⭕️⭕️
We won't get him, but it is good to at least offer him. He will go to the upper half of the B1G.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on September 18, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
Buddy, Wells is still with the team for this season. He is still our best option in the passing game, but he will not play this year. This offense to my understanding needs a quarterback that is mobile
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ValleyTalk on September 18, 2016, 11:14:04 AM
He went from #2 to not playing at all. Just speculating, but this is typical for a redshirt. I don't see why someone can't be redshirted outside of their freshmen year. The idea behind it is to get a fifth year. That is the only thing that would make any sense to me.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUGO on September 18, 2016, 11:27:09 AM
No snaps in last 3 games Wells is as good as gone.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 18, 2016, 11:47:13 AM
Wells is an after thought now, let it go. Same with Mays. Not concerned by yesterday. Obviously they didn't show much of any of the playbook. Hosick left me underwhelmed but as long as Davis is back healthy that's no problem. Onto conference play fellas.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: penguinpower on September 18, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
All I learned from this game is if Ricky Davis is our best option at QB we are in trouble. Hosick performance was mediocre and against that competition he should have destroyed it. I don't want to hear that we weren't up for the game and it's the competition and we aren't showing anything. The league already know what this sh**ty offense will do after what 8 yrs of Monty. Let's hope we win 7 games. I am in the Penguin Club and spend good money and what I see is a program with no identity or direction and I think it's time to pull the plug on me giving so much. Let me clarify about Davis. We expose him to to many unnecessary hits and he doesnt protect himself as well and play smart. I like him but just don't see him staying healthy. Makes me sad I love YSU but it's on fumes right now and if it's losing my interest why would the casual fan want to come see them play. Well newsflash! They aren't. Especially against that competition.
Post of the year material here.
I fully agree. I hate these games and I am not going to watch them anymore. I don't care about it and if we lose we more than deserve it. We don't belong playing these stupid teams and we don't belong in the MVFC. Wish the people at the top would recognize this.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: mayor on September 18, 2016, 12:19:42 PM
Wells is an after thought now, let it go. Same with Mays. Not concerned by yesterday. Obviously they didn't show much of any of the playbook. Hosick left me underwhelmed but as long as Davis is back healthy that's no problem. Onto conference play fellas.
I couldn't agree more. People on here say things like they know what's going on, some of it is comical, but I want to clarify something... people keep saying Ricky got hurt running the ball and needs to be less physical in his play, Ricky was not hurt running the ball against WVU. On the interception that got called back at the end of the first quarter, he was nowhere near the runner and was targeted by a DL and a LB who drove him into the turf face first with both of them on top of him. Bo went to his defense against the refs but no flag was thrown. He played the 2nd and 3rd qtrs a little dizzy. When Bo questioned a decision late in the 3rd qtr he found out he wasn't thinking clearly and took him out. The kid is tuff and we will be good with him at the helm. Go Guins!!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Wick250 on September 18, 2016, 12:29:03 PM
Mayor, thanks for the clarification. Those of us who just watched the WVU game on TV obviously did not see that.
As far as Wells, there is clearly a "gentleman's agreement" in place here. He will help the team prepare and work the headphones but will not see the field. That way, he can redshirt and preserve two more years of eligibility after he transfers to a lower level school. This is the honorable solution for all parties concerned.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUGO on September 18, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
Being tough is all good but we and he need to be smart about how we use Ricky. We all know he is tough. I want a running QB that's a threat to run, not a threat to pass. His body of work hasn't showed that's he's a complete QB. If you would ask any league Defensive coach what 12's tendencies and strength is I am sure the response would be all the same. Good athlete that can run, still needs work on his pass game . He reminds me of Pryor to be honest. Again he has improved and let's hope he continues to develop
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: guinpen on September 18, 2016, 12:53:54 PM
I fully agree. I hate these games and I am not going to watch them anymore. I don't care about it and if we lose we more than deserve it. We don't belong playing these stupid teams and we don't belong in the MVFC. Wish the people at the top would recognize this.
Wow,
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: mayor on September 18, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
Being tough is all good but we and he need to be smart about how we use Ricky. We all know he is tough. I want a running QB that's a threat to run, not a threat to pass. His body of work hasn't showed that's he's a complete QB. If you would ask any league Defensive coach what 12's tendencies and strength is I am sure the response would be all the same. Good athlete that can run, still needs work on his pass game . He reminds me of Pryor to be honest. Again he has improved and let's hope he continues to develop
His body of work is 1 3/4 games. He runs the plays that are called and if he can get some help with the dropped balls he will get better. He currently has the same completion percentage that Hunter had last year and gives us the running ability. Remember, he led the team in rushing and passing against WVU and didn't play the 4th qtr. Not saying he don't need to improve but he watched other people take all the snaps the last 3 years in games and practices, I would expect a little rust. If you want to be a hater, go on and hate. The Coaches and the players picked him to be the man. Ricky and the Guins are going to be just fine.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUGO on September 18, 2016, 02:17:02 PM
Far from a hater but a fan but a YSU season ticket holder and. Penguin Club member for 25 yrs that have seen the program regress and lose its fan base. We have not made the playoffs in 10 yrs and I want us and Rickey to do well but with all the near misses etc it's hard to believe. I agree about the WR play it's been inconsistent. Go YSU!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: mayor on September 18, 2016, 02:30:45 PM
Far from a hater but a fan but a YSU season ticket holder and. Penguin Club member for 25 yrs that have seen the program regress and lose its fan base. We have not made the playoffs in 10 yrs and I want us and Rickey to do well but with all the near misses etc it's hard to believe. I agree about the WR play it's been inconsistent. Go YSU!
Well good. Lets all get behind these boys and see what they can do! There will plenty of time to analyze after the season. Football should be fun for the fans and the players. Let's have some fun on here and support our team. :)
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUGO on September 18, 2016, 02:49:21 PM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: penguinpower on September 18, 2016, 02:50:32 PM
I fully agree. I hate these games and I am not going to watch them anymore. I don't care about it and if we lose we more than deserve it. We don't belong playing these stupid teams and we don't belong in the MVFC. Wish the people at the top would recognize this.
Wow,
I am asking myself if I should invest the time to watch a game where the outcome is predetermined, to watch a game that most certainly hurts us in the eyes of the playoff committee, to watch a game that doesn't provide an opportunity to be more prepared for league play. The fans don't want to watch it either. It is sickening. If we want to pussyfoot around, then we should join the NEC, that way we can tell everyone how we dominate our league, make the playoffs and have a chance to play for a national championship. These other teams have less scholarships and they are able to do what we aren't able to do. Is it fair? No but we need to do what it takes to:
1. Get the fans back at the games 2. Get to the playoffs 3. Compete for championships
My opinion is that athletics needs more money in order to do what we want them to do.
So build the new loges, change conferences (we could fit in CAA better), or say screw it and Join the MAC in 1A., but you have a better chance to get the fans back because the closest rival Towson would be 3.5 hours away in the CAA not 6 and by joining the MAC we would have true close natural rivals. That gets the fans back and helps generate revenue. We could get into the playoffs in the CAA and we could play all conference games except for the money game. That also keeps people interested.
I hate what they are doing now. I am not watching them play Bobby Morris anymore. The question is who got hurt in all that futility? Hopefully no one that will be needed to win the conference
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: guinpen on September 18, 2016, 04:48:20 PM
I fully agree. I hate these games and I am not going to watch them anymore. I don't care about it and if we lose we more than deserve it. We don't belong playing these stupid teams and we don't belong in the MVFC. Wish the people at the top would recognize this.
Wow,
I am asking myself if I should invest the time to watch a game where the outcome is predetermined, to watch a game that most certainly hurts us in the eyes of the playoff committee, to watch a game that doesn't provide an opportunity to be more prepared for league play. The fans don't want to watch it either. It is sickening. If we want to pussyfoot around, then we should join the NEC, that way we can tell everyone how we dominate our league, make the playoffs and have a chance to play for a national championship. These other teams have less scholarships and they are able to do what we aren't able to do. Is it fair? No but we need to do what it takes to:
1. Get the fans back at the games 2. Get to the playoffs 3. Compete for championships
My opinion is that athletics needs more money in order to do what we want them to do.
So build the new loges, change conferences (we could fit in CAA better), or say screw it and Join the MAC in 1A., but you have a better chance to get the fans back because the closest rival Towson would be 3.5 hours away in the CAA not 6 and by joining the MAC we would have true close natural rivals. That gets the fans back and helps generate revenue. We could get into the playoffs in the CAA and we could play all conference games except for the money game. That also keeps people interested.
I hate what they are doing now. I am not watching them play Bobby Morris anymore. The question is who got hurt in all that futility? Hopefully no one that will be needed to win the conference
Power, I actually agree with a lot of what you say, I am not a fan of our league, sure it is a great league but the schools are too far away, just can't get interested in them.
I also think there would be more interest in the CAA, not as much as if we were playing the Ohio schools but that will not happen soon. First the mac does not want us and second we do not have the money anyway. Until they drop down it aint happening.
The comments on this board that really puzzle me are when people indicate that they will not come to the games because of who we are playing. YSU could be playing Sebring and I would go and sit through the whole game because YSU is my team.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: penguinpower on September 18, 2016, 05:10:54 PM
I fully agree. I hate these games and I am not going to watch them anymore. I don't care about it and if we lose we more than deserve it. We don't belong playing these stupid teams and we don't belong in the MVFC. Wish the people at the top would recognize this.
Wow,
I am asking myself if I should invest the time to watch a game where the outcome is predetermined, to watch a game that most certainly hurts us in the eyes of the playoff committee, to watch a game that doesn't provide an opportunity to be more prepared for league play. The fans don't want to watch it either. It is sickening. If we want to pussyfoot around, then we should join the NEC, that way we can tell everyone how we dominate our league, make the playoffs and have a chance to play for a national championship. These other teams have less scholarships and they are able to do what we aren't able to do. Is it fair? No but we need to do what it takes to:
1. Get the fans back at the games 2. Get to the playoffs 3. Compete for championships
My opinion is that athletics needs more money in order to do what we want them to do.
So build the new loges, change conferences (we could fit in CAA better), or say screw it and Join the MAC in 1A., but you have a better chance to get the fans back because the closest rival Towson would be 3.5 hours away in the CAA not 6 and by joining the MAC we would have true close natural rivals. That gets the fans back and helps generate revenue. We could get into the playoffs in the CAA and we could play all conference games except for the money game. That also keeps people interested.
I hate what they are doing now. I am not watching them play Bobby Morris anymore. The question is who got hurt in all that futility? Hopefully no one that will be needed to win the conference
Power, I actually agree with a lot of what you say, I am not a fan of our league, sure it is a great league but the schools are too far away, just can't get interested in them.
I also think there would be more interest in the CAA, not as much as if we were playing the Ohio schools but that will not happen soon. First the mac does not want us and second we do not have the money anyway. Until they drop down it aint happening.
The comments on this board that really puzzle me are when people indicate that they will not come to the games because of who we are playing. YSU could be playing Sebring and I would go and sit through the whole game because YSU is my team.
They are also my team, but how do you get them to stop scheduling these poor teams? The only way a fan can do this is by attending games and buying merchandise. Unless there is a change at the AD level, I don't see this happening. I have to wonder if we really couldn't afford to join the MAC. If we played two money games as an FBS opponent we could get much higher payouts and we could schedule many of these games every week. Plus a significant cost reduction in travel would be obtained. I think we would have significantly higher attendance so with that being said, I think we could do it, especially looking at historical attendance of Kent, Akron, Buffalo and other MAC teams.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: guinpen on September 18, 2016, 05:35:01 PM
They are also my team, but how do you get them to stop scheduling these poor teams?
I wish I had a good answer, but I do not. I do not know Strollo, I have no inside contacts, I am not a big money guy, just a longtime fan. With that said I can think of no reason why Strollo would not want to be a top notch program. If it was easy every FCS school would be at the top
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: mayor on September 18, 2016, 05:41:12 PM
They are also my team, but how do you get them to stop scheduling these poor teams? As nice and approachable as Tressel is, has anybody asked him why we continue to do this? Just wondered.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUGO on September 18, 2016, 06:32:09 PM
I guess what bothers me is I guess fans in the stands don't matter. Are we getting more from the corporate side. We must or they wouldn't build loges. I love my Penguins anybody that knows me I bleed the red and white. But I feel the fans, and even the players are getting screwed with having 2 BS games on the schedule. I have attended every playoff game and championship game I spend bot loads of $$$ alone to just attend and Penguin Club and other events for football. If I am giving 2500 a yr to support athletics I want to feel we are scheduling the best competition and also create interest for the casual fan as well scheduling. Basically what is happening we are being used on that second game to pay for the non revenue sports. So 6 home games and no playoffs I am spending what $400 a game not counting tailgating stuff. YSU is laughing all the way to the bank on that. 1 game with the Bobby Morris of the world is okay 2 it's fleecing your true fan. So I guess my 2500 is chump change. Being in FCS is a sham anyways. You have some schools spending big bucks then you have the Butlers hardly spending anything the playoffs are even rigged. When you host or bid on a game you have to give the NCAA 85% of the gate I think of the gate so you lose money making the playoffs I think I have heard Strollo say it not a money maker at all. I think Penguinpower is right we need to find a better fit. CAA would be better for recruiting and traveling.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ucfpengbuck on September 18, 2016, 06:56:55 PM
Doesn't Ohio State and other big time schools play smaller schools before their conference season starts ? While RMC might not spark interest. playing WVU and the rugged MVC should allow YSU one or two lay downs.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 18, 2016, 07:56:58 PM
I'm fine with 1 of the NEC schools. But I hate being playing 2. Find another good FCS opponent to play. I'm fine with a home and home.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Wick250 on September 18, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
Ok guys, I am really getting bored with all this talk about finances and ooc scheduling, but I will submit one more thing for you to consider, and then I am done with this topic
The loges have very little to do with football. They have everything to do with wooing and stroking the egos of the donor class. Last year, under the leadership of Tressel and Paul McFadden and his staff, the university raised $20 million. That figure is also the goal for next year. I cannot prove this, but logically many of the big money people sit in those loges. Football is just one instrument that the university uses to reach into their pockets. You may not like this. I don't like this. But it is reality.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: YSUGO on September 19, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
Good point Wick. I am tired of it too. But the fans who spend their hard earned money want to be heard and we are being ignored. It is what is I guess.
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: go guins on September 19, 2016, 05:01:29 PM
Good point Wick. I am tired of it too. But the fans who spend their hard earned money want to be heard and we are being ignored. It is what is I guess.
I'm also tired of these threads, and I'm not sure I buy into the "hard earned money" aspect. Yes, hard earned, but not that much of it. Good grief, look around as see what "entertainment" costs. $79 and more for decent seats at Covelli. $50-400 for seats to see the Browns and my GOD, it's the BROWNS!
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: Buddy on September 19, 2016, 08:47:55 PM
Hey we moved up to 16 from 20 after our big win.......
Title: Re: Bobby Morris
Post by: go guins on September 21, 2016, 10:04:48 AM