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This board has to liven up a bit here...
What's everyone's thoughts on some of the predictions for the season. I just made my annual trip to Barnes and Nobles to nab the season preview magazines and here's what they're saying...
-Sporting News; YSU 6th in the MVFC, unranked nationally. Derek Rivers listed as the Top NFL Prospect in the League. (Rest of MVFC - #1 NDSU, #4 UNI, #10 Illinois State, #12 SDSU, #16 W. Illinois)
-Lindy's Sports; YSU 6th in the MVFC, ranked #24 nationally. Sites YSU as possibly being able to slink from the middle of the pack to the upper tier of the league. (Rest of MVFC - #1 NDSU, #4 UNI, #6 SDSU, #17 W. Illinois, #20 Illinois State)
-Compughterrankings.com; YSU ranked #22 nationally. (Rest of MVFC - #1 NDSU, #3 UNI, #5 SDSU, #6 Illinois St, #14 W. Illinois)
I also saw a couple individual posters (that were not YSU faithful haha) at various sites that had YSU as a Top 10 contender! The funny thing is based on 1 or 2 big games we honestly could go anywhere from Top 5 to completely unranked... I guess its like that when 5 or 6 of our conference teams are in the Top 25.
I know Game 1 is a month and a half away but Duquesne is ranked #22 in Lindy's Sports Preseason Rankings and seems to be a continually improving program (coming off close playoff loss to William & Mary after making the FCS postseason for the first time in program history). Was listed as a Top OOC matchup on another site (I cant remember which). Also, they gave us a game a couple years ago (34-23). I think it may be a little overhyped if you actually know about the disparity between the MVFC and any mid-major FCS conference but its an intriguing matchup nonetheless. And the biggest thing is that it should give us at least some indication of how the season will go.
On a side note, Illinois State and North Dakota State were listed as the #3 and #5 FCS recruiting classes respectively... the rich keep on getting richer I guess.
Any thoughts?
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Good. Finally something meaningful to discuss.
First, the gap between the MVFC and the rest of FCS has never been larger. That was graphically proven last year when NDSU dismantled a supposedly powerful Jacksonville State team in the finals. At least five of the top ten teams in the nation reside in the MVFC. Whether we are one of the five, time will tell.
Rating FCS recruiting classes is rather silly. Everybody knows the top high school talent that gets distributed among the FBS powers. At the G5 or FCS level, players that are overlooked by the big boys might evolve into a Derek Rivers, or they might be multi-star high school recruits that can not even play at our level. Anyone who guarantees that an incoming freshman in FCS will be a dominant player is being foolish or dishonest.
Why the preseason love for Western Illinois? Did they not nearly embarrass our league by struggling against non-scholarship Dayton in the playoffs? As for Illinois State, let us see how they perform without their stud quarterback and running back, both FBS transfers, that are now gone.
Duquesne is to be commended for building a competitive team with scholarship limitations. Their quarterback is good, and they will toss it at least fifty times against us. Against a Wolford defense, that would be a problem. Against a Pelini defense, not so much. And Duquesne cannot play defense at MVFC standards.
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I think the preseason love for western is due to such a high percentage of returning starters. Their team was very young last year. Whether or not that will translate to success is yet to be seen, but they may turn out to have a pretty good season this year.
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Hopefully, a statement is made in the Duquesne game. If the offense shows lots of promise, and the defense is playing to the level I am expecting, this will be a pretty good year. Regarding rankings, it doesn't really matter yet. I would put YSU in the top 25 near the end for now, and give it a wait and see type attitude. But I do think at worst they finish 4-6th MVFC placement with the chance for greatness. Giving it a hopeful wait and see 8) fb
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Derek Rivers gets drafted. That's my prediction for the year ;)
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Wonder what Tressel really thinks of the MVFC? He was never much for conference focus, rather focused on "getting better every week" and focusing on the playoffs. Didn’t bother him to lose a game or 2 along the way, just get better and get in the playoffs.
One thing for sure, we control our own destiny. Win, we're in the playoffs.
Should be good season, but concerned about DB's and OL and lack of a power back for short yardage and pass blocking. LB corps could be hurt a ton with gun incident. Anybody have an update on that?
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Why the preseason love for Western Illinois? Did they not nearly embarrass our league by struggling against non-scholarship Dayton in the playoffs? As for Illinois State, let us see how they perform without their stud quarterback and running back, both FBS transfers, that are now gone.
Agreed. I would put YSU ahead of these two.
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Nice football chatter here. Also, look at the coaching move from WIU to USD. USD is the team to watch ...not WIU. BTW, UD is a very good football team, if we had them on our schedule every year (which we should ...along with RMU and Duquesne), it would be Dayton that would be the first team to upset us.
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Nice football chatter here. Also, look at the coaching move from WIU to USD. USD is the team to watch ...not WIU. BTW, UD is a very good football team, if we had them on our schedule every year (which we should ...along with RMU and Duquesne), it would be Dayton that would be the first team to upset us.
If we are serious about costs, budgets, travel etc. then membership in the Pioneer Football League is the best option for YSU.
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Nice football chatter here. Also, look at the coaching move from WIU to USD. USD is the team to watch ...not WIU. BTW, UD is a very good football team, if we had them on our schedule every year (which we should ...along with RMU and Duquesne), it would be Dayton that would be the first team to upset us.
Neither of those 3 teams should ever upset YSU. Should play maybe 1 of them a year. Time to step up and start playing other power FCS schools.
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Nice football chatter here. Also, look at the coaching move from WIU to USD. USD is the team to watch ...not WIU. BTW, UD is a very good football team, if we had them on our schedule every year (which we should ...along with RMU and Duquesne), it would be Dayton that would be the first team to upset us.
Neither of those 3 teams should ever upset YSU. Should play maybe 1 of them a year. Time to step up and start playing other power FCS schools.
Agree, but as long as money games are allowed, any power FCS school (OOC) is just not practical. Do you realize how many YSU fans live in Columbus (myself included)? It would be awesome to go see them in Dayton. I bet 500 would be the low side of people traveling to the game. 2k upside. That is more than we will have at WVU or Pitt.
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1-AA, I'm all for playing in the PFC if we want, but playing Dayton so people in Columbus could save an hour over a home game sounds kind of silly to me.
Again, from the total expense standpoint PFC makes huge sense. From "being the best you can be" it makes no sense. We'll see what happens this season. Maybe Bri’onte Dunn wants to get in on a good thing and we get competitive with the elite in FCS!
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It would be awesome to go see them in Dayton. I bet 500 would be the low side of people traveling to the game. 2k upside. That is more than we will have at WVU or Pitt.
A road game at Dayton?? Over a road game at an Ohio MAC program?? No way you're serious.
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It would be awesome to go see them in Dayton. I bet 500 would be the low side of people traveling to the game. 2k upside. That is more than we will have at WVU or Pitt.
A road game at Dayton?? Over a road game at an Ohio MAC program?? No way you're serious.
That's what I was thinking.
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Never should we ever play AT Dayton lol.
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Agreed with the NEVER should play at Dayton sentiment here. Unless we go the way of Western Illinois and squeak into the playoffs and have to play them at Dayton, only way I could accept that under fathomable current / relative future conditions.
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Just a few things:
1. Again with the MAC ...that conference is dead to us. No return ...no home.
2. Chief ...we have no choice. As these partial-scholarship teams get more players, there will be no more home-only teams for us. Dayton, Duquesne and RMU will ALL expect returns.
3. Go, it is more than just a few people, it s recruiting. We recruit quite a bit from SEOH. We even have a summer camp there. This is what we need.
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Who cares about a home and home. Go to their place and whoop their butts. What happened to playing the Montana's and McNeese St's and heck I think we even played Cal Poly, Hofstra and all them one year. Get back to those schools. Playing the Dayton and Duquesne's of the world do not get you prepared for MVFC football. Just another W on the schedule, which in turn actually hurts our playoff chances.
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Not sure that I agree with the Duquesnes and Daytons dragging us down. In fact, in some cases I think they might (unfairly as it is) drag us up (the perception that Dayton is a playoff team but is, in actuality, equivalent to a lower level MVFC team). The reason people have talked about, say, Ohio State's OOC schedule in the past, is because their conference didn't offer them a lot of ranked games... the idea being that they played weak OOC AND weak conference opponents. OOC has little to do with YSU's specific playoff situation... it is entirely based on our conference. We are guaranteed 4 or 5 ranked games a year in conference games alone. Why play 1 or 2 more when they can only hurt us?
You're pretty much guaranteed to go 2-1 against an FBS and 2 medium/low teams and you will have to go at least 5-3 in conference to have a chance at playoffs. On a good year, you MAY go 2-1 OOC games against an FBS and 2 ranked teams and you STILL have to go 5-3 in conference to have a chance at playoffs. And as far as preparation for MVFC football, there are pros and cons to playing both Dayton/Duquesne and Montana/McNeese St.
The problem isn't the OOC. We have to perform better in-conference... plain and simple.
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IAA Fan, you do understand that Dayton, Duquesne, and RMU have very few fans. With ideal weather conditions, they draw at most several thousand, and many of those are students who probably don't pay. They will never be in any position to demand a return game from a full scholarship FCS program. That guarantee would bankrupt them. I would be willing to wager that the guarantee that YSU gives to those schools is more than the total of their gate receipts for their home games for the entire year.
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Can't, for example, pays FCS schools >$300k. If I am correct, we pay ~$30k for OOC visitors. What would a 1AAA team like the Flyers pay us? Either game should result in a W, and costs of travel would be less with Can't.
No return game? We don't expect that from other FBS schools.
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We are playing the little sisters of the poor, meanwhile teams in our league are playing meaningful games against great opponents with national attention. It is happening all around us. Our scheduling sucks. I am not interested in these games and I don't think I will watch them anymore. That is the only way to send the message. Don't buy tickets to the garbage games where we will curb stomp the competition. I am sick of the mediocrity approach. I wouldn't let us into the play-offs with our garbage schedule either. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best. In businesses 10's hire 10's and 7's hire 5's. 5's suck, but you know what they are.......7's are the worst hires you can make. 10's are not afraid to be shown up, they don't hide behind their weaknesses, they want to be tested and improve from it. 7s'surround themselves with 5's so they will always look better than a 5 but he is still only a 7. We act like 7's and pad our wins against weak competition , meanwhile UNI is scheduling like a 10 and playing Montana. Sick of it. It is driving me away. Time to man the F up. Times have changed. We are now reaching decades of mediocrity with our throwback schedule vs other teams at our level. Pisses me off
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Just a few things:
1. Again with the MAC ...that conference is dead to us. No return ...no home.
2. Chief ...we have no choice. As these partial-scholarship teams get more players, there will be no more home-only teams for us. Dayton, Duquesne and RMU will ALL expect returns.
3. Go, it is more than just a few people, it s recruiting. We recruit quite a bit from SEOH. We even have a summer camp there. This is what we need.
I respectfully disagree. The MAC wants to pay us to play, I'm in.
For somebody who doesn't offer home and home with the PFL, how do we say "NO MAC"?
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We are playing the little sisters of the poor, meanwhile teams in our league are playing meaningful games against great opponents with national attention.
I read this and see NDSU playing Charleston Southern and Eastern Washington and wonder what exactly you are talking about?
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We are playing the little sisters of the poor, meanwhile teams in our league are playing meaningful games against great opponents with national attention.
I read this and see NDSU playing Charleston Southern and Eastern Washington and wonder what exactly you are talking about?
Eastern Washington is a power 5 FCS team in the big sky. What are you talking about?
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I read this and see NDSU playing Charleston Southern and Eastern Washington and wonder what exactly you are talking about?
Eastern Washington is a power 5 FCS team in the big sky. What are you talking about?
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WTF is a "power 5 FCS team" mean and do you really thing Eastern Washington qualifies as:
"meaningful games against great opponents with national attention"? Who watched that game on TV?
I think they were 6-5 last year, hardly GREAT OPPONENTS WITH NATIONAL ATTENTION to me.
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I'm not asking to load up the schedule at this point, but playing Duquesne and Robert Morris types every year is getting real annoying. Strollo needs to put his ego aside and man up and play better competition. He's always worried about losing home game money... How about actually worrying about making the playoffs??? A home playoff game will generate plenty of money.
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I read this and see NDSU playing Charleston Southern and Eastern Washington and wonder what exactly you are talking about?
Eastern Washington is a power 5 FCS team in the big sky. What are you talking about?
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WTF is a "power 5 FCS team" mean and do you really thing Eastern Washington qualifies as:
"meaningful games against great opponents with national attention"? Who watched that game on TV?
I think they were 6-5 last year, hardly GREAT OPPONENTS WITH NATIONAL ATTENTION to me.
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Meaning that the conference they play in gets an Autobid with secondary teams. Bobby Morris can get an auto bid for conference champ but no one else would get in. Eastern Washington was in the semifinals a few years ago they are a team to be reckoned with unlike the garbage team that is booby Morris , Duquesne, and saint Francis. Study up
http://www.khq.com/story/32430420/ewu-football-ranks-in-top-10-for-sporting-news-and-lindys-polls
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First of all, EWU & Iowa are on the schedule in the same year because NDSU thought the Iowa game was cancelled. Then Iowa could not come up with the cash for a buyout after YSU was given a massive buyout from OSU.
EWU just won the national championship 4 years ago and were just in it last year & 2-year prior. It is just like Marshall and YSU YSU dominated the post-season in the early 90's and team like Mashall, GSU and Montana were almost ignored, but great teams all of them. NDSU steals the little bit of limelight that is I-AA/FCS, but EWU is behaps the second-most dominating team in the last 10-years.
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Just a few things:
1. Again with the MAC ...that conference is dead to us. No return ...no home.
2. Chief ...we have no choice. As these partial-scholarship teams get more players, there will be no more home-only teams for us. Dayton, Duquesne and RMU will ALL expect returns.
3. Go, it is more than just a few people, it s recruiting. We recruit quite a bit from SEOH. We even have a summer camp there. This is what we need.
I respectfully disagree. The MAC wants to pay us to play, I'm in.
For somebody who doesn't offer home and home with the PFL, how do we say "NO MAC"?
Easy, it's a matter of pride, I have a long memory.
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Just a few things:
1. Again with the MAC ...that conference is dead to us. No return ...no home.
2. Chief ...we have no choice. As these partial-scholarship teams get more players, there will be no more home-only teams for us. Dayton, Duquesne and RMU will ALL expect returns.
3. Go, it is more than just a few people, it s recruiting. We recruit quite a bit from SEOH. We even have a summer camp there. This is what we need.
I respectfully disagree. The MAC wants to pay us to play, I'm in.
For somebody who doesn't offer home and home with the PFL, how do we say "NO MAC"?
Easy, it's a matter of pride, I have a long memory.
Yes, and false pride does a lot of damage. Looks like we are being shut out of the Big10 and self-shut out of the MAC. With nobody left to play, looks like pride has left us with home and home against Dayton! Reallly good decision making.
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Just a few things:
1. Again with the MAC ...that conference is dead to us. No return ...no home.
2. Chief ...we have no choice. As these partial-scholarship teams get more players, there will be no more home-only teams for us. Dayton, Duquesne and RMU will ALL expect returns.
3. Go, it is more than just a few people, it s recruiting. We recruit quite a bit from SEOH. We even have a summer camp there. This is what we need.
I respectfully disagree. The MAC wants to pay us to play, I'm in.
For somebody who doesn't offer home and home with the PFL, how do we say "NO MAC"?
Easy, it's a matter of pride, I have a long memory.
Yes, and false pride does a lot of damage. Looks like we are being shut out of the Big10 and self-shut out of the MAC. With nobody left to play, looks like pride has left us with home and home against Dayton! Reallly good decision making.
Just a tad on the negative side I would say, but if that is what you believe I am cool with it.
I am pretty sure that there are other schools out there that are not big ten or mac. Big ten is the big ten but the mac is a different story, I will be shocked if the look of the mac does not have a big change in the next 5-6 years that will have a positive effect on YSU.
Not false pride - Penguin Pride!
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Look ... that mention on Dayton, Cinci and possibly Columbus news is worth a lot of cash to us in terms of in-state recruits. We need to be smart. The two Pittsburgh games (RMU and Duquesne) give the fans a reasonably close game & mentions on 2, 4, 11 and 53. Add in a few games with Pitt and we can really control wPA recruiting (at the mid-major level of course). With Monty's connections, a solid camp and maybe a couple games down in Dayton (eventually Cinci) we begin to make a better recruiting presence in the central to southwest part of the state. You know ...the "state of Youngstown" as coach T used to call it. There seems to be so much untapped talent in that part of Ohio.
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The best recruitment tool is winning, and the bigger the wins the more allure to the recruit. We could own non-P5 recruiting in NE Ohio with a few thumpings of Akron and Can't. Want a game in SW Ohio? Then let's play Miami (OH)...prolly more winnable than even Akron or Kent. Like I said earlier, they are paying a ton of $$$.
Instead we play patty cake with 1AAA schools, excuse me but that's a schedule for p---ies. Small risk, small reward. Big risk, big reward......although playing MAC schools isn't even that high risk.
Now we have BP and CP running the team. If we can't swing for the fences now with a bolder schedule, then when? Is it our destiny to always be a rung below the crappy MAC in terms of perception?
I suspect after a few embarrassing losses to YSU, MAC teams will stop playing us. I understand NDSU is having trouble findings FBS opponents for that reason.
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Want to recruit today's kids? TV.
We can't even get on local TV live. These kids could care less if you play Dayton in Dayton. Look at the Dayton attendance, the parents of their players hardly care. You think good player from let's say Kettering is thinking about D-1 Akron vs 1-AA Youngstown and he thinks OH, didn't I see YSU at Dayton and that's where I'm going? C'mon man, get on TV vs NDSU in the payoffs on none of that means s _ _ !
I did notice a Dayton news piece titled:
"Football team excels despite home attendance"
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Time to make the playoffs and get some national exposure. That has all faded away. The younger generation does not even remember the penguin teams of the 90's.
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Neither do I and I went to every championship game. No playoffs=no fans=no interest. Makes recruiting tough.
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Guys ...winning and it's exposure is obvious. My comments are on the art/science of recruiting and scheduling to benefit your team. Scheduling (not post-season) loses against power-FCS schools will chase away more fans/recruits faster than you can count. We thought (and many still think) that we could have played well or beaten OSU back in the 90's. The only thing that kept that feeling alive was NOT playing the Buckeyes.
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Guys ...winning and it's exposure is obvious. My comments are on the art/science of recruiting and scheduling to benefit your team. Scheduling (not post-season) loses against power-FCS schools will chase away more fans/recruits faster than you can count. We thought (and many still think) that we could have played well or beaten OSU back in the 90's. The only thing that kept that feeling alive was NOT playing the Buckeyes.
1-AA I hate to say this, but you are starting to sound like a civilized Paladin. "The art/science of recruiting”? C'mon man, recruiting is 2 things. Having a staff that recognizes talent that will help your program and a coach that can sell a kid and his parents when sitting in their living room is all that matters.
Tressel has lots of great traits, but at those 2 he was masterful. He could recognize talent that would help YSU better than any person who has ever lived and when sitting down one on one, the sob can sell snowballs to eskimos! Look at the job he is doing selling rich guys on giving millions to YSU!
We still don’t know how BP is doing or can do at the 1-AA level. Without Nebraska transfers last year's D would have been significantly less effective. I haven’t heard one guy say the last 2 classes were anything special. The jury is out, but where we play Dayton has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
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YSU was not beating the Buckeye's in the 90's. Although it is fun to think it. 8)
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Guys ...winning and it's exposure is obvious. My comments are on the art/science of recruiting and scheduling to benefit your team. Scheduling (not post-season) loses against power-FCS schools will chase away more fans/recruits faster than you can count. We thought (and many still think) that we could have played well or beaten OSU back in the 90's. The only thing that kept that feeling alive was NOT playing the Buckeyes.
1-AA I hate to say this, but you are starting to sound like a civilized Paladin. "The art/science of recruiting”? C'mon man, recruiting is 2 things. Having a staff that recognizes talent that will help your program and a coach that can sell a kid and his parents when sitting in their living room is all that matters.
Tressel has lots of great traits, but at those 2 he was masterful. He could recognize talent that would help YSU better than any person who has ever lived and when sitting down one on one, the sob can sell snowballs to eskimos! Look at the job he is doing selling rich guys on giving millions to YSU!
We still don’t know how BP is doing or can do at the 1-AA level. Without Nebraska transfers last year's D would have been significantly less effective. I haven’t heard one guy say the last 2 classes were anything special. The jury is out, but where we play Dayton has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
I agree completely on coach P's recruiting being new Go; but I do like the local concentration, so I am willing to give him an extra couple of classes then I was willing to give coach Wolf.
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1-AA "I agree completely on coach P's recruiting being new Go; but I do like the local concentration, so I am willing to give him an extra couple of classes then I was willing to give coach Wolf."
The problem is it takes a couple of years to know what you've got. ESPECIALLY at 1-AA level, the scouting combines hardly know the guy's names much less what potential they have. We've had some "star" recruits come in and lay huge eggs, AND we've had the oposite, guys without hype come in and be big time players. And you don't always know after 1 year.
We'll see, that's for sure.
I always thought Wolford was a decent recruiter, but his retension and development programs SUCKED!
I expect a lot more from Bo in those two areas.