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I hope we get a good crowd Friday. I took a day off work and plan on attending the pregame dinner as well. Last year at the pregame dinner, a member of our group won a field chair signed by Tressel and Pelini. The year before I won use of the loge for the spring game and the previous year I won a football signed by all of the team.
Dinner is at 6p with game starting at 7p!
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I was at the game and dinner last year. I am actually off work friday as well. I will definitely be at the game. My friend and I are coming. But I wont' be at the dinner
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1AAFan will there be a radio broadcast of the game?
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I am told "no" Fever.
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I am told "no" Fever.
It never has been before, so I'm sure 1AA is right. Boy, I'm thinking how tough a game that would be to broadcast. You have the problem of not tackling the QB, and the "trators" (IE guys that put on vests and play for both teams) Coaches on the field, goofy kick rules etc. It would be a nightmare to do play by play!
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WKBN radio, 570 doing a YSU broadcast tomorrow at 7:30 til 9. But Dan Rivers said today there is no game, more of a scrimmage.
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Great with radio news. I need all the help I can get keeping track of the players. (RE, Dan R, spring games ARE scrimmages) Good grief, there is only 1 team.
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Today is the day guys! ;D
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Today is the day guys! ;D
Hey YO, don't get to carried away, this is a practice! "The Day" might more logically be considered Sept. 1st, or even Nov. 26th!
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Ok fair enough. But this is going to still be the first time in months I've seen the team play. Plus it gives us a way to tide us over till fall (or maybe it will take more of our patience for the football season away). But either way, I'm excited. fb
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There's a red / white roster posted on YSU's site, and I noticed that Jalyn Powell is not listed. Anyone know if he is injured?
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I know a lot of guys were banged up and guys were mismatched but wow the offense needs a lot of work.
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Thanks everyone. really great crowd!!!
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Hosick who? If the season started tomorrow, Davis would start and Mays would be his back-up. No O-line of any kind, so no running either. Wells made deliberate running attempts, and was obviously trying to look-off his receivers; but still has the best "cannon". Would not surprise me to seem him keep his job.
Good coverage plays today, but white corners never saw the ball. Speed seems up this year. I would say that coach M is spot-on with his analysis.
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Before anybody draws conclusions from a spring game, go to the university site and listen to Pelini's postgame comments. That was not ones v. twos. Talent was split up, and the offensive lines were a mess because of injuries and inexperience. Remember that we have seen in the past brilliant individual performances from players who faded into oblivion by the fall. We have also seen lackluster spring games from teams that subsequently won national titles.
The one thing that stood out for me was the tackling. Few broken tackles and many nice one-on-one hits, including some on Webb and Ruiz. I am much happier with a good defense and an offense that needs some work than I would be if that were reversed.
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Great with radio news. I need all the help I can get keeping track of the players. (RE, Dan R, spring games ARE scrimmages) Good grief, there is only 1 team.
I put it on Iheart radio and they didn't switch the feed. Stupid boobs forget every time. Didn't bother to call this time
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Before anybody draws conclusions from a spring game, go to the university site and listen to Pelini's postgame comments. That was not ones v. twos. Talent was split up, and the offensive lines were a mess because of injuries and inexperience. Remember that we have seen in the past brilliant individual performances from players who faded into oblivion by the fall. We have also seen lackluster spring games from teams that subsequently won national titles.
The one thing that stood out for me was the tackling. Few broken tackles and many nice one-on-one hits, including some on Webb and Ruiz. I am much happier with a good defense and an offense that needs some work than I would be if that were reversed.
Wick you eloquently state exactly the same things that I think. It is unusual.
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I went specifically to see a few things:
1. QB's were a positive.
2. Pizanias was not kicking. I am still concerned for our punting.
3. Thomas got up after he took the hit, but then they walked him to the training room ...any word?
4. The guys from St. Ed's can play ...all 3 of them were good.
5. TE's saw limited action.
6. The addition of Chapman to Moss and Rivers will give us the best DE's in the conference ...if not the division. Chapman is really sound.
7. Sandidge & McCaster carry the ball well & hit speed quickly. Sandidge drives a little better may replace Moore, but hard too say. He has looked solid in 3 practices and the spring game.
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I listened to the WKBN feed which simultaneously played the Sean Hannity show, until the feed went out completely in Q4.
I thought Hannon and Sammarone were honest in their QB assessments. They discussed Wells' issues with pick 6's, lack of mobilty, and specifically discussed his lack of toughness, particularly after a play where he took an early dive to avoid contact. Sammarone spoke of the negative impact that lack of toughness has on the team as a whole.
Davis, who had the best passing efficiency and rushing yards of any YSU QB last year, again outperformed Wells as Davis had two scoring drives (Wells zero, Mays one).
Wells had a better Freshman year, regressed in his Sophomore year, and there is no indication that he will produce better results in 2016. Honestly, the best thing for Wells would be a program suitable for a pro style QB with a solid o line and strong receiver unit.
At least Hosick has the excuse of learning a new system, and in my opinion, the QB competition should be for the back-up between Mays and Hosick. Wells, if he doesn't transfer, would be the nuclear option if all others are injured.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/apr/16/defense-rules/
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Thanks everyone. really great crowd!!!
In short:
Hosick who? If the season started tomorrow, Davis would start and Mays would be his back-up. No O-line of any kind, so no running either. Wells made deliberate running attempts, and was obviously trying to look-off his receivers; but still has the best "cannon". Would not surprise me to seem him keep his job.
Good coverage plays today, but white corners never saw the ball. Speed seems up this year. I would say that coach M is spot-on with his analysis.
Ricky Davis is playing well enough that I would actually consider moving Trent Hosick to Running back. The question is can Ricky do this on a consistent basis? Wells is still the best passer we have, but from what I heard last night on the radio that wouldn't do much good. Coach M is spot on and has his work cut for him
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Thanks everyone. really great crowd!!!
In short:
Hosick who? If the season started tomorrow, Davis would start and Mays would be his back-up. No O-line of any kind, so no running either. Wells made deliberate running attempts, and was obviously trying to look-off his receivers; but still has the best "cannon". Would not surprise me to seem him keep his job.
Good coverage plays today, but white corners never saw the ball. Speed seems up this year. I would say that coach M is spot-on with his analysis.
Ricky Davis is playing well enough that I would actually consider moving Trent Hosick to Running back. The question is can Ricky do this on a consistent basis? Wells is still the best passer we have, but from what I heard last night on the radio that wouldn't do much good. Coach M is spot on and has his work cut for him
The reason he has his work cut out is his own fault. They are the ones solely responsible for getting the kids to come and making it interesting enough for them to stay. Right? Why do we always have these issues when others do not?
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I listened to the WKBN feed which simultaneously played the Sean Hannity show, until the feed went out completely in Q4.
I thought Hannon and Sammarone were honest in their QB assessments. They discussed Wells' issues with pick 6's, lack of mobilty, and specifically discussed his lack of toughness, particularly after a play where he took an early dive to avoid contact. Sammarone spoke of the negative impact that lack of toughness has on the team as a whole.
Davis, who had the best passing efficiency and rushing yards of any YSU QB last year, again outperformed Wells as Davis had two scoring drives (Wells zero, Mays one).
Wells had a better Freshman year, regressed in his Sophomore year, and there is no indication that he will produce better results in 2016. Honestly, the best thing for Wells would be a program suitable for a pro style QB with a solid o line and strong receiver unit.
At least Hosick has the excuse of learning a new system, and in my opinion, the QB competition should be for the back-up between Mays and Hosick. Wells, if he doesn't transfer, would be the nuclear option if all others are injured.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/apr/16/defense-rules/
Even NDSU had the QB running the ball in tough situations.
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Thanks everyone. really great crowd!!!
In short:
Hosick who? If the season started tomorrow, Davis would start and Mays would be his back-up. No O-line of any kind, so no running either. Wells made deliberate running attempts, and was obviously trying to look-off his receivers; but still has the best "cannon". Would not surprise me to seem him keep his job.
Good coverage plays today, but white corners never saw the ball. Speed seems up this year. I would say that coach M is spot-on with his analysis.
Ricky Davis is playing well enough that I would actually consider moving Trent Hosick to Running back. The question is can Ricky do this on a consistent basis? Wells is still the best passer we have, but from what I heard last night on the radio that wouldn't do much good. Coach M is spot on and has his work cut for him
The reason he has his work cut out is his own fault. They are the ones solely responsible for getting the kids to come and making it interesting enough for them to stay. Right? Why do we always have these issues when others do not?
When discussing the issues with the receivers and the o line on Rick and Roth, he seemed oblivious to the fact that he was the OC for 6 years, and all of the shortcomings of the offense are a direct result of his stewardship of the offense.
Unless there are some FCS transfers, I don't see how this offense allows the team to make a deep playoff run.
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Wick, if you looked at the projected roster, it did indeed appear to be one's vs twos. Now maybe it wasn't that way 100%, but it was for the most part. You had pretty much all the offensive starters on the white team (Ruiz, Webb, Harvin, Hosick, but not just the skill players. Look at the OL for the white: Justin Spencer, Sims, Cole Newsome, Fraser, Colucci, Zinni.
The red team had the following: Hunter Wells and Ricky Davis, and Isiah Scott along with the amazing defense: Avery Moss, Leroy Alexander, Derek Rivers, David Rivers, Dellovade, Cody Squiric
I'm sure Isiah will be a starter given he had good performance in comparison to all the other WRs but is probably on this squad for balance.
So I do think it was a sorta hybrid 1st team offense vs 1st team defense. Majority of the 1st team offense was on white with the 1st team defense mostly on the red. There seemed to be a couple of balancing things (eisenhuth on the red team and Fraser playing on both at line). But I think this does reflect that our offense needs alot of work in comparison to our defense (and our defense looks even improved from last year).
I don't think there was a whole lot of difference between any of the QBs. I think maybe Ricky looked the best, but I liked what I saw from Hosick too. And Wells would have been fine if anyone blocked or managed to catch a pass hitting them in the hands. I'm very concerned about the WRs. Not a whole lot we can do, but we certainly need to improve on the oline some and the receivers have to not mimic Greg Little in his heyday for the Browns.
I think maybe we can make some adjustments and get better with Fall camp, but we will have a tough year if the offense does not make those improvements.
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The O-Line needs to get healthy and get some continuity going or this will be a long season. Got beat up front badly last year. Were never able to run the ball effectively and Wells was a sitting duck because defenses were not worried about the play action at all and he cannot move at all. Davis and Hosick will give us the best chance to win because they can run, when things break down (and they will).
Another issue I have is the WR's. Who's going to step up besides Harvin and be that guy that the QB can rely on? Davis seems like he's comfortable with Scott. We shall see.
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We still have issues at WR, punting, and we better go out and get more O lineman. There was no way you could say which QB was better. I don't know who the WR coach is but since Coach Coleman left it seems like we are not coaching up our WR's . Still don't see what I want at QB. But again there was no way to tell. I already know that Davis and Hosick can run. I wanted to see them make throw the ball, to be a dual threat QB you have to keep the D honest with your throwing and right now Davis and Hosick are not anywhere close to being a dual threat. So just like the receivers there is little identity or separation. I think Pelini will not get us deep into the playoffs until we get a tougher identity on offense. It's not just Wells that is supposedly soft I don't see much nastiness on the line or any part of the offense. The one poster keeps picking on one player and I think as a whole our offense seems passive. Anyways there is a lot of work to be done.
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The one poster keeps picking on one player and I think as a whole our offense seems passive.
I seriously just like an honest discussion. I may rip Strollo, Slocum, and a delicate QB who is in way over his head, but I also praise Tressel, Bolden (I'm not completely sold on Barnes), and our better QB who IMO has gotten the shaft. I may call our AD moRon, but that's as personal as I get...I limit it to their performance....although once I made fun of how Slocum dresses....alright...mostly about their performance.......usually.....
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We still have issues at WR, punting, and we better go out and get more O lineman. There was no way you could say which QB was better. I don't know who the WR coach is but since Coach Coleman left it seems like we are not coaching up our WR's . Still don't see what I want at QB. But again there was no way to tell. I already know that Davis and Hosick can run. I wanted to see them make throw the ball, to be a dual threat QB you have to keep the D honest with your throwing and right now Davis and Hosick are not anywhere close to being a dual threat. So just like the receivers there is little identity or separation. I think Pelini will not get us deep into the playoffs until we get a tougher identity on offense. It's not just Wells that is supposedly soft I don't see much nastiness on the line or any part of the offense. The one poster keeps picking on one player and I think as a whole our offense seems passive. Anyways there is a lot of work to be done.
I read a lot of insane stuff on this site without responding and am not going to say much here. I just want to remind you that Ricky was 3 of 4 passing for 80 yards with a touchdown and Hunter was 1 of 8 for 2 yards with Shane calling their plays. Trent was 3 of 7 for 20 yards and Nathan was 5 of 13 for 102 yards with another coach calling their plays. For whatever reason Shane didn't throw the ball as much as the other coach. I have seen every play of Spring Ball and the Red-White game. Ricky is a true dual threat QB and has success when allowed to do so. Going back to last year and again during spring practice, Shane will not let that kid throw. I think I know why, I will keep it to myself, but one thing that is clear, it's not because he can't do it. (Take a look at last years stats and see his passing efficiency.)
Mayor, I am sorry but Ricky has been screwed over by an incompetent OC. Ricky should've started the Misery State game (actually earlier, but at that point it was insanely obvious Wells wasn't the guy) last year. He has proven himself consistently. Sammarone was clear during the WKBN broadcast that he felt Ricky is the superior QB, and not our current fragile statue.
Some of us see the obvious.
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Starting to think Pally has 2 of the identitys on here. I wasn't attacking any of the players. I like DAVIS, he is a hell of an athlete. We know he has wheels. But we need to see him Throw and make good reads. I want more from him. Maybe I worded it wrong. I want football smarts, toughness, and leadership. Who on this team has stepped up. Rivers has at times. I think when Wolford stripped this team down of all its upperclassman it set us back years because nobody had to pay their dues and respect the game for what it is.
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Last year I thought Ricky Davis should have been allowed to throw more and that he would be the productive QB and win the staring job. I am coming to the same conclusion after the Spring Game.
We have small quick backs and a questionable Oline. Without the threat of the QB run, our offense is in trouble. Davis is very quick and willing to run and has shown he can run effectively. And he can throw. Wells is a good thrower, but with no run option the defenses have our number, especially late in the game.
Ricky should start with Hosick in the hunt to start or back up. I don't think we have a chance doing the same thing as last year.
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Any red-shirts or seldom used players from last year's team that impressed anyone throughout the game?
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Last year I thought Ricky Davis should have been allowed to throw more and that he would be the productive QB and win the staring job. I am coming to the same conclusion after the Spring Game.
We have small quick backs and a questionable Oline. Without the threat of the QB run, our offense is in trouble. Davis is very quick and willing to run and has shown he can run effectively. And he can throw. Wells is a good thrower, but with no run option the defenses have our number, especially late in the game.
Ricky should start with Hosick in the hunt to start or back up. I don't think we have a chance doing the same thing as last year.
Is there an unwritten sentence in you post that says "because our coaches are all more stupid than any fan?" You say “Davis can throw”, but is that based on anything anybody has ever seen, our just because it help makes your argument? I suspect they don’t let Davis throw, because he can’t throw. And with no O-line, NOBODY is going to consistently gain ground rushing. QB runs are NOT a cure all for bad O-line play. What will happen is your QB is going to get clobbered and be our injured. Seriously, we’ve seen the spring game, you can’t see 2 cents difference in QB’s from that practice and the question about any of last season’s redshirts etc. do anything is all that is relevant at this point.
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68, you do need to realize that Davis is playing at a much higher level than last year. So if you liked then, you will really like him now.
There is no QB conspiracy, just have to weigh everything.
I have always liked Mays & certain people said he will never start for this program. Well, he can start now if we put him in there, but there is no reason. I can say this, he has a bit of a baseball throwing style when he drops straight back ...a lot easier to pick those guys off, because they throw just above defenders heads. Yet despite this, I see huge potential in the guy & he is our future.
Davis is stepping up into his potential as well. Yet again, Wells has a much stronger arm & that will be hard to beat.
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I watched Ricky Davis in the Spring Game last year I think it was or the year before that and in my opinion he threw the ball well. I saw a few throws in games last year and got the same impression; he throws well. Maybe he can't read defenses or learn the system; not sure there. And I don't advocate a running QB, but on third down it sure helps when no one is open or when our backs get the ball, his fake has meaning to the defense. I still think with our talent, he gives us the best chance to win compared to what we saw last year. The two new QB's, not sure, but he looked better to me compared to them in the Spring Game.
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I trust the coaches will make the right decision on the QB. There is potential here to have a great season this year and a good team. We just will need to see how the line and the receivers come together.
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NDSU was able to win regardless of who was at QB because they have the offensive line play, special teams, and defense to do it. Tressel won with Tidwell, who was a game manager because all the other facets were there. You can make safe throws to the TE's and throw screens when you can run the ball. Lets not forget the formula to success. We don't need a great QB, we just don't need stupid mistakes. We also need a group that can prove to the fans they wont give up when the breaks are beating them.
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NDSU was able to win regardless of who was at QB because they have the offensive line play, special teams, and defense to do it. Tressel won with Tidwell, who was a game manager because all the other facets were there. You can make safe throws to the TE's and throw screens when you can run the ball. Lets not forget the formula to success. We don't need a great QB, we just don't need stupid mistakes. We also need a group that can prove to the fans they wont give up when the breaks are beating them.
Your analogy regarding YSU make great sense, and I agree with your point, but not so sure about including NDSU. They just have had more than one GREAT 1AA QB after another. Good grief, Wentz is probably #1 pick in the NFL and to me, Stick is the best QB in the MVFC again this year.
The problem is as you correctly point out, NDSU had great OL, special teams and D, same as many JT teams at YSU. Well we have great D, but special teams are highly questionable and OL is frankly terrible.
Maybe we find some punting and kick coverage in the fall, and you can get the OL from terrible to OK with health and a good summer and fall, but "good" is a long way away.
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For a two year starter at quarterback to be unseeded the coaching staff has to be absolutely 100% sure. Regardless of who the starter is all 3 will play. I wasn't at the spring game and I'm not familiar with the injuries surrounding the offensive line. Spencer, Colucci, Eisenhuth have either played or started since their freshman year. Throw Vitas in there as well and Fraser, if we can't get it done up front and stay healthy we have serious problems. The last thing you want is quarterbacks running around and getting injured and they will. Spencer, Colucci and Eisenhuth's mobility are better suited for a pocket passer then a mobile QB and that's how Wolford recruited. The biggest challenge for receivers coming into this program is the quality of defenders they face compared to H.S. and the adjustment period. Having sure, soft hands and the ability to catch the ball in crowded situations and know that your going to take a hit is the skill that defines a wide receiver. I think the majority of our receivers possess a combination of good physical traits, body control, and agility. Moving their body in space seems to be a huge issue along with the drops. Some of the latest F.C.S. polls have the Bison, Illinois St, Northern Iowa 1,2,3 and S.D.S.U. 5th. All 3 will have very high powered offenses to go along with their strong defenses. Hopefully we will be ready for fall camp
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NDSU was able to win regardless of who was at QB because they have the offensive line play, special teams, and defense to do it. Tressel won with Tidwell, who was a game manager because all the other facets were there. You can make safe throws to the TE's and throw screens when you can run the ball. Lets not forget the formula to success. We don't need a great QB, we just don't need stupid mistakes. We also need a group that can prove to the fans they wont give up when the breaks are beating them.
Your analogy regarding YSU make great sense, and I agree with your point, but not so sure about including NDSU. They just have had more than one GREAT 1AA QB after another. Good grief, Wentz is probably #1 pick in the NFL and to me, Stick is the best QB in the MVFC again this year.
The problem is as you correctly point out, NDSU had great OL, special teams and D, same as many JT teams at YSU. Well we have great D, but special teams are highly questionable and OL is frankly terrible.
Maybe we find some punting and kick coverage in the fall, and you can get the OL from terrible to OK with health and a good summer and fall, but "good" is a long way away.
Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws. They would tuck it and run vs force the throw. We took away the throws last year and forced them to run the QB. However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him.
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Hey YSUGO,
What's the status of Jalyn Powell?
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penguinpower
"Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws."
Because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. You think the NFL is so interested in Wentz at #1 overall becuase he rarely made an incredable throw and just tucked and ran? Don't write stupid stuff, it detracts from some of your better comments.
"However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him."
I disagree. Somebody needs to lead!
IMO, you and everyone on this blog misses the point. Sometimes somebody has to step up and make a play. This team, and for all the Wolford years, now into Pelini's tenure there has had a dearth of playmakers. Although our defense looks stout, we need some playmakers on O to beat the good teams. At NDSU, Brock Jensen made plays, Wentz made plays, Stick makes plays, and in similar situations we seem to shrink into the background. I think Wells has plenty of talent, but I think Hosick is here to make plays under pressure. Wells has never done it, Davis has never done it. Let's hope somebody steps up on offense to be a difference maker.
It's always easy to blame the coach, but perfectly executed almost every play can score a TD. Sometimes you just don't have championship talent.
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penguinpower
"Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws."
Because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. You think the NFL is so interested in Wentz at #1 overall becuase he rarely made an incredable throw and just tucked and ran? Don't write stupid stuff, it detracts from some of your better comments.
"However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him."
I disagree. Somebody needs to lead!
IMO, you and everyone on this blog misses the point. Sometimes somebody has to step up and make a play. This team, and for all the Wolford years, now into Pelini's tenure there has had a dearth of playmakers. Although our defense looks stout, we need some playmakers on O to beat the good teams. At NDSU, Brock Jensen made plays, Wentz made plays, Stick makes plays, and in similar situations we seem to shrink into the background. I think Wells has plenty of talent, but I think Hosick is here to make plays under pressure. Wells has never done it, Davis has never done it. Let's hope somebody steps up on offense to be a difference maker.
It's always easy to blame the coach, but perfectly executed almost every play can score a TD. Sometimes you just don't have championship talent.
My point was that Wentz and the back-up did not force throws. Wentz is being looked at because of his size, the fact that he has multiple NC's, and the fact that he performed well in the combine and he is a straight A student. If he had not done well in the combine he would not be looked at. I have seen him make poor throws, but I have also seen him make some impressive ones when it mattered. My point is that in his game against YSU last year the back-up QB ran the ball vs making the throws. I have seen Wentz do that against good defenses...............run vs throw.
My understanding about Davis is that he could not read a defense. That was his main issue not his athletic ability.
I get that you want players to make plays, but our issues are on the OL. They have been unable to stay on the field when it mattered because against good defenses we have not been able to run the ball. Your problems go away when you can run the ball and stop the run.
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Penguinpower is right. The o line needs to improve. Rule of thumb in all team sports is to be strong up the middle and you have a good chance of being successful. How many running QB's has Alabama had and how many championships have they won. They have horses on the line. We need some of those horses.
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If everybody on the offensive line was healthy and playing in the proper position, then the performance at the spring game would be a cause for great concern. But we should really suspend judgment until fall camp. Some did not play in that game, some played just a little, some played out of position, and the redshirt freshmen displayed their inexperience while going up against a very sound defense. We might have a big problem. We might have no problem at all. We will know in August.
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Heard Powell was suspended.
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penguinpower
"Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws."
Because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. You think the NFL is so interested in Wentz at #1 overall becuase he rarely made an incredable throw and just tucked and ran? Don't write stupid stuff, it detracts from some of your better comments.
"However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him."
I disagree. Somebody needs to lead!
IMO, you and everyone on this blog misses the point. Sometimes somebody has to step up and make a play. This team, and for all the Wolford years, now into Pelini's tenure there has had a dearth of playmakers. Although our defense looks stout, we need some playmakers on O to beat the good teams. At NDSU, Brock Jensen made plays, Wentz made plays, Stick makes plays, and in similar situations we seem to shrink into the background. I think Wells has plenty of talent, but I think Hosick is here to make plays under pressure. Wells has never done it, Davis has never done it. Let's hope somebody steps up on offense to be a difference maker.
It's always easy to blame the coach, but perfectly executed almost every play can score a TD. Sometimes you just don't have championship talent.
The game is won and lost on the line of scrimmage. You make no sense to me. You have a superficial view of the sport with some of your statements. The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. Your fixation is as bad as ESPN's sensationalism with one player on each team.
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penguinpower
"Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws."
Because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. You think the NFL is so interested in Wentz at #1 overall becuase he rarely made an incredable throw and just tucked and ran? Don't write stupid stuff, it detracts from some of your better comments.
"However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him."
I disagree. Somebody needs to lead!
IMO, you and everyone on this blog misses the point. Sometimes somebody has to step up and make a play. This team, and for all the Wolford years, now into Pelini's tenure there has had a dearth of playmakers. Although our defense looks stout, we need some playmakers on O to beat the good teams. At NDSU, Brock Jensen made plays, Wentz made plays, Stick makes plays, and in similar situations we seem to shrink into the background. I think Wells has plenty of talent, but I think Hosick is here to make plays under pressure. Wells has never done it, Davis has never done it. Let's hope somebody steps up on offense to be a difference maker.
It's always easy to blame the coach, but perfectly executed almost every play can score a TD. Sometimes you just don't have championship talent.
The game is won and lost on the line of scrimmage. You make no sense to me. You have a superficial view of the sport with some of your statements. The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. Your fixation is as bad as ESPN's sensationalism with one player on each team.
So we get way ahead of NDSU at YSU last year and all of the sudden the OL got bad? All of the sudden the coach got bad? We have consistently failed to make plays in the 4th quarter for the last few seasons and always the OL and coach go away in the 4th quarter? Or, perhaps we failed in the on-the-field leadership and play making? Seems most of the blog is composed of "the coaching killed us" and don't want to examine ways to get better other than "fire the damn coach".
Wentz was climbing up mock draft boards BEFORE the combine, mostly on Browns interest. And because you say "The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. "
again, doesn't make is so. Look at what Jensen has done in Canada without the NDSU OL and Wentz's proformance at the combine was obviously sans OL at all. My point it these are PLAYMAKERS, Wells is not. I hope Hosick is.
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penguinpower
"Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws."
Because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. You think the NFL is so interested in Wentz at #1 overall becuase he rarely made an incredable throw and just tucked and ran? Don't write stupid stuff, it detracts from some of your better comments.
"However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him."
I disagree. Somebody needs to lead!
IMO, you and everyone on this blog misses the point. Sometimes somebody has to step up and make a play. This team, and for all the Wolford years, now into Pelini's tenure there has had a dearth of playmakers. Although our defense looks stout, we need some playmakers on O to beat the good teams. At NDSU, Brock Jensen made plays, Wentz made plays, Stick makes plays, and in similar situations we seem to shrink into the background. I think Wells has plenty of talent, but I think Hosick is here to make plays under pressure. Wells has never done it, Davis has never done it. Let's hope somebody steps up on offense to be a difference maker.
It's always easy to blame the coach, but perfectly executed almost every play can score a TD. Sometimes you just don't have championship talent.
The game is won and lost on the line of scrimmage. You make no sense to me. You have a superficial view of the sport with some of your statements. The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. Your fixation is as bad as ESPN's sensationalism with one player on each team.
So we get way ahead of NDSU at YSU last year and all of the sudden the OL got bad? All of the sudden the coach got bad? We have consistently failed to make plays in the 4th quarter for the last few seasons and always the OL and coach go away in the 4th quarter? Or, perhaps we failed in the on-the-field leadership and play making? Seems most of the blog is composed of "the coaching killed us" and don't want to examine ways to get better other than "fire the damn coach".
Wentz was climbing up mock draft boards BEFORE the combine, mostly on Browns interest. And because you say "The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. "
again, doesn't make is so. Look at what Jensen has done in Canada without the NDSU OL and Wentz's proformance at the combine was obviously sans OL at all. My point it these are PLAYMAKERS, Wells is not. I hope Hosick is.
Look at the 4th quarter rushing statistics from the game against NDSU last year. Matter of fact look at 3rd and 4th quarter. We started to fade about 6 min left in the 3rd quarter.
Look at the offensive series starting at 5:13 in the 3rd quarter. Keep in mind the defense gave up a FG, and Punt, and Punt, and then a TD. TOP in the 4th quarter possession times : 1:01, 0.59, and 2:18. We needed to run the ball and kill the clock and we could not do it. The QB was running for his life because we could not block. Total TOP of the entire second half was only 11:46. No wonder why the defense gave up so many plays........they were on the field way more than they should have been because we could not run the ball consistently in the second half.
Here is the play by play starting at the 5:13 mark of the 3rd quarter.
o 1st and 10 at YSU 34
(5:13 - 3rd) Ricky Davis run for 11 yds to the YngSt 45 YOUNGSTOWN ST Penalty, Offensive holding (Kevin Rader) to the YngSt 35
o 1st and 9 at YSU 35
(5:13 - 3rd) Martin Ruiz run for no gain to the YngSt 35
o 2nd and 9 at YSU 35
(5:13 - 3rd) Martin Ruiz run for 16 yds to the NDkSt 49 for a 1ST down
o 1st and 10 at NDSU 49
(5:13 - 3rd) Ricky Davis run for 1 yd to the NDkSt 48
o 2nd and 9 at NDSU 48
(5:13 - 3rd) Demond Hymes run for 21 yds to the NDkSt 27 for a 1ST down
o (2:14 - 3rd) Timeout YOUNGSTOWN ST, clock 02:14
o 1st and 10 at NDSU 27
(2:14 - 3rd) Ricky Davis run for a loss of 1 yard to the NDkSt 28
o 2nd and 11 at NDSU 28
(2:14 - 3rd) Jody Webb run for 1 yd to the NDkSt 27
o 3rd and 10 at NDSU 27
(2:14 - 3rd) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to Andre Stubbs
o 4th and 10 at NDSU 27
(0:39 - 3rd) Zak Kennedy 44 yd FG GOOD
Next Series:
o (14:22 - 4th) Ben LeCompte kickoff for 64 yds , Jody Webb return for 13 yds to the YngSt 14
o 1st and 10 at YSU 14
(14:18 - 4th) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to Andrew Williams, broken up by Cj Smith
o 2nd and 10 at YSU 14
(14:18 - 4th) Martin Ruiz run for 4 yds to the YngSt 18
o 3rd and 6 at YSU 18
(14:18 - 4th) Ricky Davis pass incomplete to Andre Stubbs
o 4th and 6 at YSU 18
(14:18 - 4th) Nick Sheely punt for 24 yds, punt out-of-bounds at the YngSt 42
Next Series:
o (9:57 - 4th) Ben LeCompte kickoff for 65 yds for a touchback
o 1st and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Martin Ruiz run for no gain to the YngSt 25
o 2nd and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to Martin Ruiz
o 3rd and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to I'tavious Harvin
o 4th and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Nick Sheely punt for 35 yds, downed at the NDkSt 40
Next Series:
o 1st and 10 at YSU 14
(7:44 - 4th) Ricky Davis run for 3 yds to the YngSt 17
o 2nd and 7 at YSU 17
(7:44 - 4th) Ricky Davis run for 4 yds to the YngSt 21
o 3rd and 3 at YSU 21
(7:44 - 4th) Jody Webb run for a loss of 5 yards to the YngSt 16
o 4th and 8 at YSU 16
(7:44 - 4th) Nick Sheely punt for 38 yds, downed at the NDkSt 46
This is not a QB problem as much as it is a OL problem.
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penguinpower: Very nice job of making my point for me. I see (and saw live at the time) nothing but imcomplete passes. When somebody needed to step up and make a play, nobody did. Wells was O-fer as was Wells.
What did Stick do in the second half after a dismail first half?
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu32 NORTH DAKOTA STATE drive start at 14:53.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu32 King Frazier rush for 9 yards to the NDSU41 (Alexander, L.).
Ndsu 2- at Ndsu41 Bruce Anderson rush for 3 yards to the NDSU44, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Rivers, Derek;Thompson, Eric).
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu44 Easton Stick rush for 9 yards to the YSU47, out-of-bounds (Rivers, Derek).
Ndsu 2- at Ysu47 Easton Stick pass complete to RJ Urzendowski for 41 yards to the YSU6, 1ST DOWN NDSU.
Ndsu 1- at Ysu06 King Frazier rush for 3 yards to the YSU3 (Smith, Jameel;Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2- at Ysu03 Easton Stick rush for 2 yards to the YSU1 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 3- at Ysu01 Easton Stick rush for no gain to the YSU1 (Rivers, Derek).
Ndsu 4- at Ysu01 Easton Stick rush for 1 yard to the YSU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 10:40.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu46 NORTH DAKOTA STATE drive start at 05:26.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu46 King Frazier rush for 7 yards to the YSU47 (Alexander, L.;Smith, Jameel).
Ndsu 2-3 at Ysu47 Bruce Anderson rush for 4 yards to the YSU43, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Alexander, L.;Dortch, Nate).
Ndsu 1- at Ysu43 Easton Stick pass incomplete to RJ Urzendowski.
Ndsu 2- at Ysu43 King Frazier rush for 1 yard to the YSU42 (Wright, Lee;Zaborsky, Steve).
Ndsu 3-9 at Ysu42 Easton Stick pass complete to Jeff Illies for 17 yards to the YSU25, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Wright, Lee).
Ndsu 1- at Ysu25 Bruce Anderson rush for 3 yards to the YSU22 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2-7 at Ysu22 King Frazier rush for 4 yards to the YSU18 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 3-3 at Ysu18 Easton Stick pass incomplete to Nate Moody (Durden, Kenneth), PENALTY YSU pass interference (Durden, Kenneth) 12 yards to the YSU6, 1ST DOWN NDSU, NO PLAY.
Ndsu 1-G at Ysu06 King Frazier rush for 2 yards to the YSU4 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2-G at Ysu04 Easton Stick rush for 4 yards to the YSU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:35.
I agree it doesn't all hang on the QB, but he is the leader of the offence and sometimes he just needs to step up and make plays to win a game. Stick did, Wells (and to some extent Davis) DID NOT.
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After alot of consideration, I think the "wait till Fall camp to worry" group is right. Realizing it is pretty hard to have perfectly accurate idea of where our line is at due to injuries. Same can be said due to WR injuries. Although, as a unit, it seems like only a small few will make an impact (my thoughts anyways).
I know we can look at last year too regarding oline, but while I am concerned, Wick and others have brought up a valid point that we don't have a good idea of this year for sure. So, I will wait to give judgement until Fall. I am hoping my opinion changes then too. In any case, Football season can't come any quicker!
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After alot of consideration, I think the "wait till Fall camp to worry" group is right. Realizing it is pretty hard to have perfectly accurate idea of where our line is at due to injuries. Same can be said due to WR injuries. Although, as a unit, it seems like only a small few will make an impact (my thoughts anyways).
I know we can look at last year too regarding oline, but while I am concerned, Wick and others have brought up a valid point that we don't have a good idea of this year for sure. So, I will wait to give judgement until Fall. I am hoping my opinion changes then too. In any case, Football season can't come any quicker!
I agree that we need to wait till fall. My point is that the QB is not the only answer.
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penguinpower: Very nice job of making my point for me. I see (and saw live at the time) nothing but imcomplete passes. When somebody needed to step up and make a play, nobody did. Wells was O-fer as was Wells.
What did Stick do in the second half after a dismail first half?
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu32 NORTH DAKOTA STATE drive start at 14:53.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu32 King Frazier rush for 9 yards to the NDSU41 (Alexander, L.).
Ndsu 2- at Ndsu41 Bruce Anderson rush for 3 yards to the NDSU44, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Rivers, Derek;Thompson, Eric).
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu44 Easton Stick rush for 9 yards to the YSU47, out-of-bounds (Rivers, Derek).
Ndsu 2- at Ysu47 Easton Stick pass complete to RJ Urzendowski for 41 yards to the YSU6, 1ST DOWN NDSU.
Ndsu 1- at Ysu06 King Frazier rush for 3 yards to the YSU3 (Smith, Jameel;Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2- at Ysu03 Easton Stick rush for 2 yards to the YSU1 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 3- at Ysu01 Easton Stick rush for no gain to the YSU1 (Rivers, Derek).
Ndsu 4- at Ysu01 Easton Stick rush for 1 yard to the YSU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 10:40.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu46 NORTH DAKOTA STATE drive start at 05:26.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu46 King Frazier rush for 7 yards to the YSU47 (Alexander, L.;Smith, Jameel).
Ndsu 2-3 at Ysu47 Bruce Anderson rush for 4 yards to the YSU43, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Alexander, L.;Dortch, Nate).
Ndsu 1- at Ysu43 Easton Stick pass incomplete to RJ Urzendowski.
Ndsu 2- at Ysu43 King Frazier rush for 1 yard to the YSU42 (Wright, Lee;Zaborsky, Steve).
Ndsu 3-9 at Ysu42 Easton Stick pass complete to Jeff Illies for 17 yards to the YSU25, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Wright, Lee).
Ndsu 1- at Ysu25 Bruce Anderson rush for 3 yards to the YSU22 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2-7 at Ysu22 King Frazier rush for 4 yards to the YSU18 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 3-3 at Ysu18 Easton Stick pass incomplete to Nate Moody (Durden, Kenneth), PENALTY YSU pass interference (Durden, Kenneth) 12 yards to the YSU6, 1ST DOWN NDSU, NO PLAY.
Ndsu 1-G at Ysu06 King Frazier rush for 2 yards to the YSU4 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2-G at Ysu04 Easton Stick rush for 4 yards to the YSU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:35.
I agree it doesn't all hang on the QB, but he is the leader of the offence and sometimes he just needs to step up and make plays to win a game. Stick did, Wells (and to some extent Davis) DID NOT.
When the QB is running for his life it is expected that he doesn't complete the passes.
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Pelini when questioned all season has Has said in his Coaches code that it wasn't always the QB. From game one when Pitt manhandlec our center this board even mentioned how we needed to get better on the line. Add in all the drops and execution at times I am surprised we did what we did. We also seem to forget that Ruiz wasn't always 100 percent healthy. If I was Pelini I would look for o line transfers and another wideout or tight end that can catch the ball.
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"When the QB is running for his life it is expected that he doesn't complete the passes."
Yes, but again, in the heat of the 4th quarter, sometimes you need the QB to step up and make a play.
"Pelini when questioned all season has Has said in his Coaches code that it wasn't always the QB."
Two points: 1 wasn't always the QB, is clearly saying that a number of times it WAS the QB, 2. What did you expect a head coach to say "our QB folded like a cheap suit in the 4th QTR." The HC needs to stand behind his players.
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Heard Powell was suspended.
Thanks for the update, although not what I wanted to hear. Hopefully they get it worked out by fall camp. I expect him to make an impact this season.
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Put Davis and Hosick in some of the same situations last season as Wells and they wouldn't have performed any better. How many times did we have a negative rushing attempt on first down and then another carry for know gain and then put Wells in a 3rd and 13 situation. Unfortunately quarterbacks can't catch the ball for the receivers. How much better do you want him to throw it to #9 in the NDS game? That was game set match. Sure his mechanics slipped up from his freshman year. Factor in all of the drops and his numbers probably would've been better then his freshman year. My point is this if you don't have a line, backs that can run up the middle, or a group of receivers who can catch the ball on a regular basis it really doesn't matter who your quarterback is and if he's mobile or not. If we have these same 3 problem area's in 2016 you will see what I mean
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Put Davis and Hosick in some of the same situations last season as Wells and they wouldn't have performed any better. How many times did we have a negative rushing attempt on first down and then another carry for know gain and then put Wells in a 3rd and 13 situation. Unfortunately quarterbacks can't catch the ball for the receivers. How much better do you want him to throw it to #9 in the NDS game? That was game set match. Sure his mechanics slipped up from his freshman year. Factor in all of the drops and his numbers probably would've been better then his freshman year. My point is this if you don't have a line, backs that can run up the middle, or a group of receivers who can catch the ball on a regular basis it really doesn't matter who your quarterback is and if he's mobile or not. If we have these same 3 problem area's in 2016 you will see what I mean
+1
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One more example is the Southern Illinois game. I believe Wells had 20 completions for 324 yards and 3 scores and wasn't sacked. Then again it's all the fault of Montgomery and Wells for giving up a eleven point lead with a couple minutes to go. Good things do happen when you play good around your quarterback. Bo's comments were accurate throughout the season and it had nothing to do with trying to protect anyone player. These two games that I'm referring to put you at a 7-4 mark and playoff bound. Obviously quarterback isn't our only problem ☺
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One more example is the Southern Illinois game. I believe Wells had 20 completions for 324 yards and 3 scores and wasn't sacked. Then again it's all the fault of Montgomery and Wells for giving up a eleven point lead with a couple minutes to go. Good things do happen when you play good around your quarterback. Bo's comments were accurate throughout the season and it had nothing to do with trying to protect anyone player. These two games that I'm referring to put you at a 7-4 mark and playoff bound. Obviously quarterback isn't our only problem ☺
Couldn't agree more
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"Put Davis and Hosick in some of the same situations last season as Wells and they wouldn't have performed any better."
As I have said many times recently on this blog, because you say it doesn't make it so. How in the hell do you know what Hosick, or even Davis" so in a similar situation? You are saying that bacause Weeden couldn't move the Browns for a couple years that NO QB could have done any better? Seriously. You don't know WHAT Hosick is capable of.
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"Put Davis and Hosick in some of the same situations last season as Wells and they wouldn't have performed any better."
As I have said many times recently on this blog, because you say it doesn't make it so. How in the hell do you know what Hosick, or even Davis" so in a similar situation? You are saying that bacause Weeden couldn't move the Browns for a couple years that NO QB could have done any better? Seriously. You don't know WHAT Hosick is capable of.
You aren't serious are you? I don't want to take the fodder but answer this: Why was Trent Richardson so good at Alabama but no good in the NFL?
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Look if it wasn't for the BS rules of the commish we would have what 2 wins. The instant replay if u have
It rule screwed us twice. Wells would have been a hero instead of a bum against Ill st. We got screwed for having replay. This year all schools have to have it. But we all forget he drove us down to try to get win.
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...and if my Aunt had different equipment, she'd be my Uncle.
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Look if it wasn't for the BS rules of the commish we would have what 2 wins. The instant replay if u have
It rule screwed us twice. Wells would have been a hero instead of a bum against Ill st. We got screwed for having replay. This year all schools have to have it. But we all forget he drove us down to try to get win.
The NDSU game was PI from the other angle, exactly where the ref was so it was the correct call.
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I heard Powell is in the dog house and may not be back once fall camp breaks.
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Put Davis and Hosick in some of the same situations last season as Wells and they wouldn't have performed any better. How many times did we have a negative rushing attempt on first down and then another carry for know gain and then put Wells in a 3rd and 13 situation. Unfortunately quarterbacks can't catch the ball for the receivers. How much better do you want him to throw it to #9 in the NDS game? That was game set match. Sure his mechanics slipped up from his freshman year. Factor in all of the drops and his numbers probably would've been better then his freshman year. My point is this if you don't have a line, backs that can run up the middle, or a group of receivers who can catch the ball on a regular basis it really doesn't matter who your quarterback is and if he's mobile or not. If we have these same 3 problem area's in 2016 you will see what I mean
Everyone has their own skill set and unique strengths and weaknesses, and therefore no two things in the universe are ever equal. That is why Davis, with the same conditions as Wells, was the third highest rusher (versus minus 44 yards rushing for Wells) and had a higher passing efficiency. In those conditions (receivers with hands of stone and a porous o line), you require a QB who can GTFO of the pocket ASAP. Davis can do that ( and prolly Hosick too), but Wells simply cannot.
Based on the 2015 Spring game, I thought Wells was the future. I was proven incorrect. Looking back at Hess as well, QB's just don't progress at YSU with our OC/QB coach. I think the QBs that do succeed at YSU will need to enter campus with strong skill sets and need to be self-motivated and improve their skills independently.
If we have these same 3 problem area's in 2016 you will see what I mean
That is 100% true, and something that concerns me. Other than acquiring Hosick, which was a great acquisition, I get the impression that the coaching staff feels that the 2015 5-6 record was due to bad luck and not much really needed to be fixed. I hope I am proven wrong with some FBS o-line and receiver transfers. The 2016 schedule has the MVFC power teams on the road and UNI replaces WIU...therefore will be a more challenging year than 2015. Many of our MVFC opponents are only growing stronger by adding FCOA schollies. I think our defense will be legendary, but even so they will tire in Q4 if on the field all game. There may be regression otherwise from a 5-6 season, as hard as that may be to fathom.
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If this team and staff is banking on landing some FBS transfers to help, they are sorely mistaken. More players may be on the way out, instead of coming in from what I hear.
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That's troubling if its true.
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One issue was that we gave Wolf another year and then when the end came; coach Shane and Carm could only do so much ... so we lost about half of a year's worth of recruiting. Wolf was not much of a recruiter to begin with, looked at paper before film. Now Pelini is just the opposite kind of recruiter, looks for football skill first, which is theoretically nice; but not when you are trying to stay local and the better talent leaves for school. Say what you want about the decline of prep ball in the Valley, but our kids are still very well coached; so if you get a gifted kid ...he is going to learn his trade.
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If this team and staff is banking on landing some FBS transfers to help, they are sorely mistaken. More players may be on the way out, instead of coming in from what I hear.
I've heard the same things