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WOW! We have lost our last three men's basketball games, all at home, and not one post here! What is worse that someone talking bad about you? When no one is talking about you at all.
This is a site of loyal YSU fans, probably the most loyal in our valley, and yet no BB talk.
I am one of those who still can't believe Slocum is employed as our coach. His record is awful, he has not engaged the community, and he looks miserable. How can Strollo and Tressel continue to let this go on and on?
Although Tressel is one of the greatest coaches of all time, and looks to be on his way to being a great President. He had very mixed results in hiring coaches as athletic director. He hired John Robic, probably because Larry Brown and John Calipari gave the basketball program money to do so.
YSU basketball fans deserve more. We haven't had a conference competitive team since Dan Peters was coaching us in the Mid Con.
Very sad.
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We lost our last four games.......may be five as UIC is an improved team late in the season.
This is JS's last few games. My hope is President Tressel takes an active role in hiring his replacement, much like he did with FB and Bo Pelini....otherwise we'll get a Strollo hire....like Slocum, Hill, Martin......I hope Tressel appreciates that the second highest revenue generating sport with an annual operating budget of $1.3M is worthy of his concern and attention.
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We lost our last four games.......may be five as UIC is an improved team late in the season.
This is JS's last few games. My hope is President Tressel takes an active role in hiring his replacement, much like he did with FB and Bo Pelini....otherwise we'll get a Strollo hire....like Slocum, Hill, Martin......I hope Tressel appreciates that the second highest revenue generating sport with an annual operating budget of $1.3M is worthy of his concern and attention.
Listening to his radio and TV interviews. JS appeared to be absolutely miserable. I would not be surprised that he had already been told about his future at YSU.
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When Slocum retires, I really don't look for Tressel to be actively involved in selecting his replacement, as he surely was in the hiring of Pelini. He has no expertise in basketball, and he got burned by his Robic hire while AD. (Although remember that Robic was brought in to coach a low major Mid-Continent squad that was suddenly thrust into the mid-major Horizon League.)
What I am worried about is the lack of interest among worthwhile candidates when Slocum is out of the picture. As Since1990 noted, the program is dead in the community, there are no funds to infuse into the operation, and any prospective coach will realize that hoops is secondary in the athletic department. Who would come here?
Someone suggested McFadden, the assistant at Akron and a valley native. Not knowing any details about this guy, he would seem on the surface to be a logical choice. He certainly knows the facts listed in the above paragraph. If he still would be willing to try, I say give him the chance.
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Again I say why hire McFadden when Wernicki is as-qualified ...if not more so. Then we do not lose so many players. I still think Slocum get's his final year at a minimum, but is not holding up his part of the bargain for anything further. This is a really good team and Slocum has always been able to bring in a couple of good players. I think there is going to be a lot of chemistry.
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If the selection process if left to our AD, then we will have a clone of Jerry Slocum as the next MBB HC. It will be a certain failure. Strollo was getting ready to hire Dean Hood as the FB HC (who I think had made two visits to the YSU campus) until Tressel inserted himself into the process. BTW, EKU has subsequently fired Hood. Tressel has networking skills, and is able to sell YSU. I am fully aware of the HC recruiting limitations, but YSU has had Tressel, Pelini, and Bolden as HC of sports, so we can swing for the fences on this one....if the right batter is at the plate.
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Again I say why hire McFadden when Wernicki is as-qualified ...if not more so. Then we do not lose so many players. I still think Slocum get's his final year at a minimum, but is not holding up his part of the bargain for anything further. This is a really good team and Slocum has always been able to bring in a couple of good players. I think there is going to be a lot of chemistry.
Define "really good."
Any coach associated with this debacle needs to leave.
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."
- Albert Einstein
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Again I say why hire McFadden when Wernicki is as-qualified ...if not more so. Then we do not lose so many players. I still think Slocum get's his final year at a minimum, but is not holding up his part of the bargain for anything further. This is a really good team and Slocum has always been able to bring in a couple of good players. I think there is going to be a lot of chemistry.
Need someone who does not have any ties to this program. I agree with Nation.
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Einstein was an idiot most of the time. His theories have never been proven or disproved ...just accepted. The first media boy from the scientific community.
The quote you made assumes that one can play basketball on a different level of consciousness. Guess what? This is NCAA basketball at YSU and always will be. The only thing that you can do is change the level of consciousness in the community-at-large and winning has only a little to do with that. You want more focus in general & I do not. I like football. YSU is football. I want more fans at football games. I want more tailgating at football games. I would give up the sport of MBB is a second to achieve my football goals. So you certainly better not spend any of my football monies on MBB.
So, this is an opinion share by more than a few fans of YSU. In addition, Title-IX means useless women's sports are here to stay (Sorry ladies, but the truth is the truth) & need every remaining ounce of non-football monies. So you have to respect the Strollo for the decisions that he has to make with this being the prevailing mentality. He has no on-campus friends, as most professors think any sport is a complete waste of time (and they may be right). I do not want to spend $300k+ on a new MBB coach and another $150 for a good assistant and another $100k if you want a second-assistant.
This is what AD's and HC's deal with everyday.
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Here's an Oliver Cromwell quote.....for some reason this seems like an appropriate place for it:
"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
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Many good points made in the post above It is accurate that Strollo was ready to hire Dean Hood as football coach, and he was indeed fired by Eastern KY at the end of this past year. Hood would have set our program back years.
The comment that our basketball program is 'really good' is ridiculous. As for hiring Wernicki, that is delusional. What program fires the head coach because the program is in shambles, then hires his top assistant? That makes no sense.
Agree as well that we need someone who has no ties to the program. McFadden would be a likely candidate, only he can decide if the blueprint that is in place at Akron can be successful here.
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I never said the program is good. I said that this is a good team & it is. This is the most depth that I can remember in a decade.
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With the hilarious insight you always provide 1AA......I would never "block" you.
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I never said the program is good. I said that this is a good team & it is. This is the most depth that I can remember in a decade.
Oh boy.... I'm sorry but you cannot say that about a 9-17 team.... Just can't.
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I never said the program is good. I said that this is a good team & it is. This is the most depth that I can remember in a decade.
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You have to remember how young this team is, and Slocum is totally wasting it! Two freshmen on the floor most of the time. One Junior starting, an red shirt freshmen, and true sophomore. I don't understand it every season Slocum craps the bed on the second half of the schedule.
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IAA, I like you, prefer football over basketball. But, since YSU has a basketball team, I want to see them succeed as much as possible. I'm not saying you don't, but if I were given the choice, I would still make sure the MBB team got their funding so they could live up to their potential. Believe it or not, ROI for MBB teams in mid-majors can actually be quite nice if we can get to the tournament and make a run. Its more of setting your program up for the best possible success. There has to be a balance of course. I wouldn't want to dump alot of money into the basketball team if it hasn't been a proven success, but I don't see why we wouldn't want to try to change the course of things. Just my two cents
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IAA, I like you, prefer football over basketball. But, since YSU has a basketball team, I want to see them succeed as much as possible. I'm not saying you don't, but if I were given the choice, I would still make sure the MBB team got their funding so they could live up to their potential. Believe it or not, ROI for MBB teams in mid-majors can actually be quite nice if we can get to the tournament and make a run. Its more of setting your program up for the best possible success. There has to be a balance of course. I wouldn't want to dump alot of money into the basketball team if it hasn't been a proven success, but I don't see why we wouldn't want to try to change the course of things. Just my two cents
I understand, but that is not the reality of YSU. We are going to be a women's basketball school for some time to come. When that point comes where this is no longer the case, we will not be in the Horizon League. I just get tired of people actually thinking that their administration does not see things that blind man can see ...and they are serious. Strollo sees so, so, so, so, so much more than we do & why would any of us ever think otherwise? People on this board think keeping Slocum is laughable, when the fact that Slocum, Strollo and to a lesser degree Tressel are quite aware of internal expectations. Slocum is probably the most talented HC in the league year after year, but has never had much of anything to work with.
So is the answer threatening the MVC to let us in & then we share the wealth of 3 post-season picks a year? We need another football trophy on our shelf before we can do that & more of a budget. Is it the MAC? (did anyone see Barne's salary for what is traditionally a mid-to-lower end program?). Then we need an increase in football budget as well. Is it staying a bottom-feeder in a conference and concentrating on the higher-priority sports? They are all questions and options that our administration deals with & I have yet to see anything to tell me that it is time to change. Maybe they feel the names Tressel and Pelini will do something. If it is, we have just a few years to act before they are both gone (or at least their names will be gone) & the time to act is now. If not, I like what we have in MBB and let's concentrate on other sports as we have been doing.
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Valid points. I have wondered if the time to act is nigh regarding making a move to the MAC. As cool as I would think that would be, I think that it is ultimately not in the cards for us, and as you said, after the names are gone we will not be in a position to try to get there. We would do very well against MAC competition, at least thats my two cents.
Back to the original discussion points you mentioned. I am not attacking the administration when I say we should be attempting to put our best foot forward with any changes we make. I don't envy the administration and their task of juggling fan interest and expectations for a MBB program that has fallen on hard times with unreachable expectations for the program. I do think that some positive changes could be taken though at this juncture though. My opinion would be a head coaching change, but to be realistic, it would not have an immediate affect on the program. There is no short term solution here, more of a mid to long range one.
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Good coaches (Rosselli, Tressel, DiGregorio, Boldon, Gorby, Barnes) recruit very well, and they win.
Bad coaches recruit leftovers and projects, and they lose.
Bad coaches always used as their primary excuse the lack of a social life at the commuter school. That poor excuse is now gone. With the dormitories and apartment complexes, including two under construction, we have built an on-campus community that offers the intimate social life of a small college with the academic resources of a large university. Frankly, it is a perfect balance.
For those who believe that we cannot improve the basketball program, even with the current finances, please explain how the first three men that I listed above won, and won big, with half the resources of the modern school.
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IAA, I like you, prefer football over basketball. But, since YSU has a basketball team, I want to see them succeed as much as possible. I'm not saying you don't, but if I were given the choice, I would still make sure the MBB team got their funding so they could live up to their potential. Believe it or not, ROI for MBB teams in mid-majors can actually be quite nice if we can get to the tournament and make a run. Its more of setting your program up for the best possible success. There has to be a balance of course. I wouldn't want to dump alot of money into the basketball team if it hasn't been a proven success, but I don't see why we wouldn't want to try to change the course of things. Just my two cents
I understand, but that is not the reality of YSU. We are going to be a women's basketball school for some time to come. When that point comes where this is no longer the case, we will not be in the Horizon League. I just get tired of people actually thinking that their administration does not see things that blind man can see ...and they are serious. Strollo sees so, so, so, so, so much more than we do & why would any of us ever think otherwise? People on this board think keeping Slocum is laughable, when the fact that Slocum, Strollo and to a lesser degree Tressel are quite aware of internal expectations. Slocum is probably the most talented HC in the league year after year, but has never had much of anything to work with.
So is the answer threatening the MVC to let us in & then we share the wealth of 3 post-season picks a year? We need another trophy on our shelf before we can do that & more of a budget. Is it the MAC? (did anyone see Barne's salary for what is traditionally a mid-to-lower end program?). Then we need an increase in football budget as well. Is it staying a bottom-feeder in a conference and concentrating on the higher-priority sports? They are all questions and options that our administration deals with & I have yet to see anything to tell me that it is time to change. Maybe they feel the names Tressel and Pelini will do something. If it is, we have just a few years to act before they are both gone (or at least their names will be gone) & the time to act is now. If not, I like what we have in MBB and let's concentrate on other sports as we have been doing.
Sorry 1AA but I just do not get it, I cannot comprehend why anyone in power would be content with the state of MBB. A good product would place a butt in every empty seat and the money would follow.
MVC is just more schools that our fan base does not relate to, What kind of trophy are you talking about before they would ALLOW us to threaten them to let us in and share their money.
You have to spend money to make money, I would rather drop MBB then take the position that we should be happy to end up not last.
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He got his 700 wins. He probably won't be here next year. He is just an average coach and we would be better in other leagues. Men's BB doesn't pay the bills.
We need to make the move to FBS in football so that we can get bigger paydays with FBS teams (B1G teams) etc. Our time with scheduling Pitt and WVU is running out and if we don't make the move we will slide into obscurity in all sports. Think about it.....there is no money in FCS football and the fan base isn't there to fund the other sports. I say we go FBS to get bigger paychecks and have more money to support better BB coaches etc. Perhaps we can also get football and basketball in the same conference and get some natural rivals that will draw more fans that may also provide more money as a result of more people in the stands. This may also help change the perception of YSU within the Youngstown community and help to draw more locals to enroll in the school for academic and athletic purposes.
It is the only option as I see it. The stadium is going to require major capital investment in a few years. How will this get paid for? The new loges will only cover the higher maintenance costs of an old stadium that requires more TLC. Here is the other thing to keep in mind, they have added better lighting for TV and new scoreboard etc. Things that will be needed to go FBS. I think the writing is on the wall and if they had a little more money they would make an announcement now. This is my opinion and I could be totally wrong. However, consider the fact that the assets that we have require more maintenance than most schools. The football assets are true FBS level (weight rooms, indoor facility, football field, locker rooms, etc) and they cost more to maintain than many other assets at other universities. How will we be able to properly keep them in great condition with the reduction of funds coming from FBS teams? Would you take that risk considering that the power 5 FBS teams are being penalized for strength of schedule in the new play-off system? I wouldn't.
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I don't get the "move to FBS for more money" movement. We can't compete in 1-A basketball, so we want to duplicate those failings in football too? Look at Kent, Akron, etc. They get maybe 1 (sometimes -0-) big pay games a year and are mired in mediocrity in a mid-major football conference. They don’t “draw flies” because they aren’t completive and have not much prospect of ever getting competitive. They lose more on their football program than we do ours, so that is what you wish for your team? What we need is 1-AA for basketball NOT 1-A for football! Just take a look at Akron and Kent. Giving away thousands of tickets and fudging the numbers to get minimum attendance numbers. Losing millions, losing seasons, bad publicity, things just a mess. This is what you want? This talk is crazy.
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Good coaches (Rosselli, Tressel, DiGregorio, Boldon, Gorby, Barnes) recruit very well, and they win.
Bad coaches recruit leftovers and projects, and they lose.
Bad coaches always used as their primary excuse the lack of a social life at the commuter school. That poor excuse is now gone. With the dormitories and apartment complexes, including two under construction, we have built an on-campus community that offers the intimate social life of a small college with the academic resources of a large university. Frankly, it is a perfect balance.
For those who believe that we cannot improve the basketball program, even with the current finances, please explain how the first three men that I listed above won, and won big, with half the resources of the modern school.
-Rosselli: Had DII success ...we are way beyond that now.
-Tressel: Football. Had to move the program to independent status (with a simple schedule) to get into the post season...once you start winning life becomes easier. An option for MBB perhaps.
-DiGeggorio: WBB ...something we have always been good at. Besides, we cannot compare men to women.
In MBB, we have had 2-years of success in modern times. We are never going to be attractive to a conference as a MBB program. We can be attractive in women's sports, baseball and football. It is in our best interest to invest our resources there first. I am just being practical.
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I don't get the "move to FBS for more money" movement. We can't compete in 1-A basketball, so we want to duplicate those failings in football too? Look at Kent, Akron, etc. They get maybe 1 (sometimes -0-) big pay games a year and are mired in mediocrity in a mid-major football conference. They don’t “draw flies” because they aren’t completive and have not much prospect of ever getting competitive. They lose more on their football program than we do ours, so that is what you wish for your team? What we need is 1-AA for basketball NOT 1-A for football! Just take a look at Akron and Kent. Giving away thousands of tickets and fudging the numbers to get minimum attendance numbers. Losing millions, losing seasons, bad publicity, things just a mess. This is what you want? This talk is crazy.
How can you avoid it? We have been collecting $400k to $600k paychecks for years and it is at high risk of going away. If these were your finances how would you deal with it? Would you take the risk of losing Pitt and WVU for a $100k payout?
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So you think the football situation in Akron and Kent is healthier than YSU? You want us to go down the same sorry path as Akron? Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree. Somebody please get me an update on the financial status of YSU since the arrival of Mr. JT. There is more than one way to make money in a university setting and winning football can be a help in ways outside of the gate receipts as well. Attempting to go 1-A would be the single biggest mistake YSU every made.
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So you think the football situation in Akron and Kent is healthier than YSU? You want us to go down the same sorry path as Akron? Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree. Somebody please get me an update on the financial status of YSU since the arrival of Mr. JT. There is more than one way to make money in a university setting and winning football can be a help in ways outside of the gate receipts as well. Attempting to go 1-A would be the single biggest mistake YSU every made.
I am not saying that this is a situation that I would prefer. I am simply saying how do you avoid it? One other thing you need to keep in mind. Kent and Akron have ZERO tradition. We do
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I think you can have a decent men's basketball program here. But Wick posed a question --
Rosselli -- ran a D-II program and for that the Youngstown area has some talent. The problem comes when you play D-I BB and need to recruit elsewhere. Its then that you face the MAC which is far more popular with Ohio kids and are forced to recruit the leftovers elsewhere.
Tressel was a once in a lifetime combination of being a good coach and being lucky. Some would also say cheat a little too. Great recruiter. But, he was as good a FB coach as you will find in the country. Ohio St. now has one that is better.
Eddie D -- good coach with limited coaching abilities who coached in weak leagues but had an area( Ytown Metro) that was pretty good for women's players. Strong players in a weak league racked up the wins.
McFarland is another example of the "local good old boy "club. Nothing special about him. But the area nepotism rears its ugly head again. Everyone thinks this area is the greatest ( it isn't) and the answer to all problems is to hire a local boy ( who promptly gets beat like a drum). Open it up. See what you can attract. Fund the program. Guys on the way up with head coaching success will be interested.
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Until there is a significant conference realignment, perhaps one that combines some G5 with some FCS programs, I think moving out of the FCS would be cost prohibitive. Last year there were calls in Akron from faculty to move FB to FCS, about the time they dropped their baseball program. We aren't even offering FCOA yet, which all of the MAC and 4 MVFC teams are (and Liberty U). This places us as a second class MVFC program, and we'd consider moving to the FBS?
My suggestion would be to replace a creampuff home game for a MAC away game, which would result in increased revenue generation, and then parlay those earnings (~$100k) into FCOA scholarships. Collectively, this would increase fan interest, improve our recruiting position, and improve our SOS which would enhance our resume to the playoff selection committee. I'd suggest start by playing Can't, who'd we pummel on a bad day.
Here is a Jambar article about the Athletic Department budget:
http://www.thejambar.com/doing-more-with-less/
The article borders on propaganda, which surprises me as the Jambar usually is more objective and critical. Regardless, the article claims that YSU is efficient in its use of Athletic Department resources, however completely ignores the lost revenue due to underperforming top revenue generating programs (FB, MBB), and scheduling of opponents that generate little appeal to the fans. The article also makes the case for the benefit of athletics on the University as a whole, which i agree with.
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Nation,
You might want to take into account that the author of this article, Katie Montgomery, is a member of the soccer team. (Or a Jambar columnist has the same name, which is most unlikely.)
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Nation,
You might want to take into account that the author of this article, Katie Montgomery, is a member of the soccer team. (Or a Jambar columnist has the same name, which is most unlikely.)
Funny. I didn't realize that.
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I still like like this team a great deal. I noticed that right now they are playing Slocum-ball ...that is riding on the heels of one or 2 players. However, when they move the ball around, as they did early this season ...you can see the results (at least on offense).
We all know that Morse, Santiago and Umude can play. Andrews and Donlan are really starting to contribute. Teams figure out our hot-player and then it seems we do not do enough to move the ball around & teams go on huge runs against us. Then we figure it out and do the same, but many times the game is just too far gone. I have not watched this many games in quite some time. It seems like every sub that comes in is really trying to make a statement for themselves. Perhaps that has something to do with the lack of sharing as well, but I like the attitudes.
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MBB pull off a 2OT WIN against UIC with a last second tap in on a missed shot, 92 -91.
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MBB pull off a 2OT WIN against UIC with a last second tap in on a missed shot, 92 -91.
Great job men, now lets fire the damn coach!
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MBB pull off a 2OT WIN against UIC with a last second tap in on a missed shot, 92 -91.
It was an exciting game, congrats guys!
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Hoping for at least a split of the rest of the regular season games!
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After yesterday's complete collapse at Green Bay its so obvious we need to make a coaching change. Slocum cannot win in February in every year he has been here. No one attends the games. We will lose 20 games this year AGAIN. Piss poor defense year after year and we have given up more than 100 pts 5 times this year.
Program is a complete mess. Strollo and Tressel need to make a change and fire him or make him retire. Men's basketball is an embarrassment. I have NEVER seen it this bad ever.
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Only 3 games left with JS at the helm. Thank goodness.
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Saw some highlights of the team on Sports Center last night. Just showed Milwaukee players going right by 4 defenders for a basket. Sad...
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As I projected pre-season, YSU posts another 20+ game losing season. Another fine Strollo "accomplishment". ;D
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Slocum is not the problem. He has had to dumb down his game plan until he can get the right people around him...dunno, works for Monty.
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As I projected pre-season, YSU posts another 20+ game losing season. Another fine Strollo "accomplishment". ;D
So tell us when you did not make such a prediction. Tell me, were you ever just wrong about anything? BTW: you need to change the word "Strollo" with "Slocum" for you statement to make any sense.
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ANNOUNCEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!
I projected the FB to have a winning record pre-season last year , winning with 7-4 and a chance at 8-3 with everything coming back, big time transfers coming in and addition of Jucos. I was wrong. Even with an average coach that Bo is, I figured the TEAM could overcome him and win. Mid -season , it was obvious that I way over estimated his coaching "brilliance" and revised my out look to a 5-6 record. That one proved to be correct.
And now , back to the comedy that is YSU.
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ANNOUNCEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!
And now , back to the comedy that is YSU.
The actual statement should be: "back to that clown Paladin is"
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Another loss to make it 20! Go Guins!
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It is interesting that a fellow HL school is out-recruiting YSU in Youngstown. Hughes, a starting guard as a freshman for WSU, is from Ursuline.
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Only 2 games left with JS at the helm.
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Only 1 game left with JS at the helm.
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Only 1 game left with JS at the helm.
We're going to beat Detroit. Third times a charm.
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Let's hope so, but they're track record in the tourney is not good. I'd be happy with two tourney wins to close out the season.
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Let's hope so, but they're track record in the tourney is not good. I'd be happy with two tourney wins to close out the season.
3 - 10 since JS took over, and they have never won back to back games in the HL tourney.
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Unfortunately, I know these things. Other than playing for the Mid-Con title against Oral Roberts and the OVC title against Middle-Tennesse State, I don't ever winning more than two tourney games in a row at the D-1level. ''
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lost to Valpo in the Mid-Con title game.
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Thank you!!! Age catching up with me!!!
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Welcome. I lost sleep that night :( I'll never forget it. Starting to wonder in my lifetime if we will ever come close to playing for a conference title again.
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lost to Valpo in the Mid-Con title game.
I think that was the year that we beat Valpo twice during the regular season? Then the coaches son shot a 3 to win their 1st-round tourney game if I remember.