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Dana Balash reporting and told by YSU sources Bo Pelini intends to have current coaching staff back for the 2016 season
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So offensively our plan is to run 3 plays and punt.
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I am feeling confident they will work out any offense woes we had this year.
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I am surprised but will trust that Bo knows better then any of us.
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I am surprised but will trust that Bo knows better then any of us.
Rebuild the OL and get a quarterback who can run coach M offense and will be OK (Offense was doing well under Hess). Couple more receivers who can get separations and catch the ball won't hurt either. We will be better next year.
Without a QB who could read the D, run and take a hit and with receivers who could not catch, what choices did we have but run the ball up the middle or roll out to the side. When the D caught on, we had to punt. Sorry, we couldn't do that either.
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Maybe we will see a transfer QB.
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Best wishes to TE coach Kyle Brey as he will be joining the Ohio St. staff and become the offensive quality control coach
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Pepe Pearson has accepted the RB job at Marshall... 2 coaches gone now.
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Can't fault the coaches for taking a step up. (well I am sure a few will) Pepe was a good recruiter and good coach.
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True, If Bo was not here, they may never have had these offers. Not that they are not good coaches, but lines on a resume can make a difference.
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I am surprised but will trust that Bo knows better then any of us.
Except Paladin of course! He knows more than anyone!
BTW, BP was NOT happy with the offense. Why else would he have gone out and got a new starting QB? This year the offense will be much different, with Hosick a FAR better runner than Wells or Davis. (good grief, I'M a better runner than Wells!)
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I am surprised but will trust that Bo knows better then any of us.
Except Paladin of course! He knows more than anyone!
BTW, BP was NOT happy with the offense. Why else would he have gone out and got a new starting QB? This year the offense will be much different, with Hosick a FAR better runner than Wells or Davis. (good grief, I'M a better runner than Wells!)
I could care less who wins the starting quarterback position as long as they move the ball and score points. Listen to Bo's comments carefully. Trent was brought in for competition at the quarterback position. All players have different skill sets. It's not Imperative that we have a quarterback that can run. There is know slam dunk for any position once spring ball starts..Bo and any staff member would tell you the same..competition is good at this level and it breeds success
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When I went to the last ice castle event on February 3 Pelini complimented Montgomery and the offensive line coach. He said they were a big help last year in transitioning him to this level. Etc. He has never said anything bad about either. He is on record about building depth and getting better football players that have the IQ and changing the culture of the program.
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I am surprised but will trust that Bo knows better then any of us.
Except Paladin of course! He knows more than anyone!
BTW, BP was NOT happy with the offense. Why else would he have gone out and got a new starting QB? This year the offense will be much different, with Hosick a FAR better runner than Wells or Davis. (good grief, I'M a better runner than Wells!)
They need to get players who can run Montgomery's offense. My problem with Wells is not as much with his lack of running ability than with his lack of toughness (refusing to take a hit to get extra yards).
If he does not want ot get hit, switch to playing volley ball or tennis.
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I am surprised but will trust that Bo knows better then any of us.
Except Paladin of course! He knows more than anyone!
BTW, BP was NOT happy with the offense. Why else would he have gone out and got a new starting QB? This year the offense will be much different, with Hosick a FAR better runner than Wells or Davis. (good grief, I'M a better runner than Wells!)
They need to get players who can run Montgomery's offense. My problem with Wells is not as much with his lack of running ability than with his lack of toughness (refusing to take a hit to get extra yards).
If he does not want ot get hit, switch to playing volley ball or tennis.
I believe Montgomery was instermental in recruiting Wells! Somethimes you think you see something and it works out to be not real. You think the Browns knew Weedone was about 10% better than me?
Guys like Paladin treat recruiting like a science but it's an art!
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Oh......... didn't know that. Art ? I guess UNI was artful all those years of winning MVFC titles and NDSU just became "artful" winning national titles ?
The reality is , it IS A SCIENCE. Measurables, times, film, disecting techniques ( if they have them), grades and test scores. Sure sounds like "art" ?
I think not.
Ohio St. isn't "artful". Neither is NDSU or UNI. Maybe YSU needs a refresher course. ;D
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"The reality is , it IS A SCIENCE. Measurables, times, film, disecting techniques"
You just couldn't be more wrong. If you are anywhere near correct, then Renaldo Nehemiah was a far better receiver than Jerry Rice? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning aren't anywhere near the top 10 QBs of all time?
You should read what you have written and think about it for a second and then issue me a formal apology for your stupidity.
You know tons of guys on the blog are threatening to block you and I haven't considered it because I can look past your silly bluster and sometimes see something of a point, but you are simply so ignorant with this topic, I am becoming bored with you.
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Thanks.... you just made my point. Some one who is fast isn't necessarily a good WRs. Hows his hands ? Moves ? Film will tell you that. level of competition he played against ? What is artful ? Typical local good old boy "expert" you are .
Guys are going to block me ? Who... the good old boys who think they have the answers ? The cheerleaders who contribute to YSU's failures by failing to demand excellence and coddling losers ?
STOP.... stop I say. I'm breaking out in a cold sweat worrying over that ....................................... NOT ! People who aren't blind and have REAL interest in what goes on here will continue to read me. My opinion may be of interest to more than you know. Lots of people READ here but don't post. Fair minded people are thirsty for info and those who don't blindly follow a good old boys club will read.
But keep spreading the BS. People laugh at the humor . The "self importance" of the feeble minded and their closed minds bothers me not. The world values different opinions. So do the readers of this board. Grow up.
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Oh......... didn't know that. Art ? I guess UNI was artful all those years of winning MVFC titles and NDSU just became "artful" winning national titles ?
The reality is , it IS A SCIENCE. Measurables, times, film, disecting techniques ( if they have them), grades and test scores. Sure sounds like "art" ?
I think not.
Ohio St. isn't "artful". Neither is NDSU or UNI. Maybe YSU needs a refresher course. ;D
Oh Paladin ...will you argue over anything? Recruiting is ART, LUCK, SKILL (which you could call a science, but inexact at best). However, the truth is, most of these guys are ranked & you (as a coach) are just going to take the best number that is available at the time you need someone. If there are 100 LB's available, YSU is going to try and not have to take #100, while OSU is going to try and not take #2. That is where the luck comes in.
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Oh......... didn't know that. Art ? I guess UNI was artful all those years of winning MVFC titles and NDSU just became "artful" winning national titles ?
The reality is , it IS A SCIENCE. Measurables, times, film, disecting techniques ( if they have them), grades and test scores. Sure sounds like "art" ?
I think not.
Ohio St. isn't "artful". Neither is NDSU or UNI. Maybe YSU needs a refresher course. ;D
Oh Paladin ...will you argue over anything? Recruiting is ART, LUCK, SKILL (which you could call a science, but inexact at best). However, the truth is, most of these guys are ranked & you (as a coach) are just going to take the best number that is available at the time you need someone. If there are 100 LB's available, YSU is going to try and not have to take #100, while OSU is going to try and not take #2. That is where the luck comes in.
As a Professor in the College of STEM, I can tell you that STEM is also an art in additional to being a Science. Using engineering principles to design a product is also an Art. I know, he is going to tell me that he knows more about science and engineering than I. My experience in managing a engineering team to design/market global products might not even matter to him.
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Thanks.... you just made my point. Some one who is fast isn't necessarily a good WRs. Hows his hands ? Moves ? Film will tell you that. level of competition he played against ? What is artful ? Typical local good old boy "expert" you are .
Guys are going to block me ? Who... the good old boys who think they have the answers ? The cheerleaders who contribute to YSU's failures by failing to demand excellence and coddling losers ?
STOP.... stop I say. I'm breaking out in a cold sweat worrying over that ....................................... NOT ! People who aren't blind and have REAL interest in what goes on here will continue to read me. My opinion may be of interest to more than you know. Lots of people READ here but don't post. Fair minded people are thirsty for info and those who don't blindly follow a good old boys club will read.
But keep spreading the BS. People laugh at the humor . The "self importance" of the feeble minded and their closed minds bothers me not. The world values different opinions. So do the readers of this board. Grow up.
You are a complete fool. If you were right, there would never be a bust 1st round QB in the NFL. The most important thing in picking a football player is not size, not speed, not arm or leg strength, not any of that. It's heart, and judging a person's heart is an art not a science. If you are right, Ryan Leaf and Todd Marinovich are in the NFL Hall of Fame and Payton Manning and Tom Brady are distant memories for NFL fanatics to remember. Unlike you I don't think I'm smarter than everybody on the planet. I just know I am smarter and think more clearly than you.
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While this "coaching staff" thread seems to evolved into the recruiting thread, I would like to add that if you look at a school like Alabama, it shows that recruiting isn't as easy as some suggest. Alabama gets top notch players and every year they over recruit and then thin the heard by removing players already on scholarship. Does that make the coaching staff poor at judging recruits? This is a practice that I certainly do not condone, but it show that even top tier coaches aren't experts.
If college football makes the scholarship shuffle the norm, then the Northwestern players have a case.
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ScarletRook, if I understand your point, then I think I disagree.
If 'bama or anybody else, recruits a football player and he "can't play" then you are saying he is entitled to his 4 year scholarship anyway? And if I have an academic scholarship and I let my grades slip, then they have to pay for schooling anyway? (they don't!) We enter into an agreement. I pay your school costs and you play for my football team. If you can’t play, then you aren’t honoring your part of the agreement and I revoke the agreement. That seems straight forward to me.
Back to coaching thread. There isn't a coach or GM/AD that doesn't have a long list of players they were high on and turned into complete busts. Some here think recruiting is just about the numbers, but the heart of the matter is the heart. I remember when Indy was back and forth between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf, as hard as that is to believe. One had heart and succeeded, but I bet you a buck Leaf could throw harder and run faster. Judging talent is the hardest part of coaching, IMO.
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ScarletRook, if I understand your point, then I think I disagree.
If 'bama or anybody else, recruits a football player and he "can't play" then you are saying he is entitled to his 4 year scholarship anyway? And if I have an academic scholarship and I let my grades slip, then they have to pay for schooling anyway? (they don't!) We enter into an agreement. I pay your school costs and you play for my football team. If you can’t play, then you aren’t honoring your part of the agreement and I revoke the agreement. That seems straight forward to me.
go guins:
I don't think you see my point entirely, but time doesn't permit me to elaborate right now. I understand your viewpoint.
As far as grades this is from the NCAA rules:
Remaining Eligible: Academics
Because intercollegiate athletics is part of the fabric of the university, student-athletes must be committed to academic achievement and the pursuit of a degree.
Student-athletes must meet academic standards throughout their careers on campus to remain eligible to participate in intercollegiate athletics. Member institutions in each division create academic standards specific to that division’s goals.
In Division I, student-athletes must complete 40 percent of the coursework required for a degree by the end of their second year. They must complete 60 percent by the end of their third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year. Student-athletes are allowed five years to graduate while receiving athletically related financial aid. All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements that are related to an institution’s own GPA standards for graduation.
Teams in Division I are also subject to the Academic Progress Rate (APR), a standard that measures a team’s academic progress by assigning points to each individual student-athlete for eligibility and retention/graduation.
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Rook,
You and I aren't on the same page. If you point is, once committed to a recruit, always committed to a recruit, I don't agree. That's how I read your original post on the subject. If you point is different, I missed it.
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go guins:
Didn't express myself very well in first post - things have come up so can't elaborate. We may be on the same page or just agree to disagree. Either way - GO GUINS Spring Practice coming soon.
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Any names for replacements of the coaches leaving??
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Per reports, Nic McKissic-Luke is the new RB's coach. Had the same title at South Dakota State the last few years. Coached Zenner when he was there.
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Per reports, Nic McKissic-Luke is the new RB's coach. Had the same title at South Dakota State the last few years. Coached Zenner when he was there.
Thanks Chief for keeping us informed. Coach Luke played at Alabama before transferring to Alabama A&M and then spent 5 years coaching in the Division 2 ranks before joining the Jackrabbit's in 2013. He's a true believer in the power running game. This could be a good thing
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LB Coach TJ Hollowell has left.
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I'm a little surprised to see these changes coming so close to spring camp. Hopefully we can get a tight end and linebacker coach in here quickly
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Did Bo hire his old GA at Nebraska Joe Ganz?
Decent QB coach if true.
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Did Bo hire his old GA at Nebraska Joe Ganz?
Decent QB coach if true.
Joe was very well liked and respected at Nebraska. He left the university about 5 days ago. Nothing has been made public yet on where he might go. Former YSU linebacker coach T.J. Hollowell has accepted the D.C. position at Santa Margarita H.S. in California..Good luck T.J.
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Did Bo hire his old GA at Nebraska Joe Ganz?
Decent QB coach if true.
Joe was very well liked and respected at Nebraska. He left the university about 5 days ago. Nothing has been made public yet on where he might go. Former YSU linebacker coach T.J. Hollowell has accepted the D.C. position at Santa Margarita H.S. in California..Good luck T.J.
I believe Ganz hasn't coached since Bo left Nebraska. I don't think Nebraska's coach kept any of the old staff.
Not sure what he did last season.
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Not sure about that..I would be surprised to see him step down to the FCS level as a position coach, but I think he would for a coordinator's position. Former players and coaches do have a habit of following Bo..anything is possible
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I still have nothing new to report on the two assistant coach vacancies. In a surprising development Bill Cubit was fired at Illinois by the new A.D. and Lovie Smith is expected to be named the the head coach. Maybe Bo can lure their TE and Linebacker coach away(Neither are expected to be retained ) He has ties with both.. spring ball is fast approaching we need to act quickly
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Joe Ganz is indeed joining the staff as TE coach.
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Joe Ganz is indeed joining the staff as TE coach.
Thank you for the update Chief. I believe he was out of coaching last year and was a Co-Host in some sort of broadcasting . Even tho he was a former Qb coach the transition to TE coach should go smoothly for him..welcome coach Joe
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Yes, looks like a nice pick-up ...welcome coach!
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OMG, where the heck is Paladin? This is OBVIOUSLY "good-ol'-boy" networking!
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Thinking that this is not the first time a Hc hired someone he knew.
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Thinking that this is not the first time a Hc hired someone he knew.
In fact, just the opposite would be the news worthy point! Just poking at Paladin is all.
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Apparently he has been banned again. Now he is on AGS saying that the entire athletic department and university are going down the sh**ter and drowning in debt. This is simply not the case. We are in far better shape than many of the schools within the MAC footprint and MVFC schools. Yes we have a lousy basketball coach but nobody really cares for basketball anyway.
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Power,
I am glad that you posted this information. I don't read the national boards. By his own actions, Paladin continues to prove his hatred for YSU. I hope that this time he is gone for good.
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Here is a portion of Paladin's OP on AGS:
"YSU football is in trouble, the U has financial problems and the decision to bring back a men's BB coach who has produced nothing in 11 seasons but losers isn't setting well. The athletic dept is in shambles."
Let's dissect it:
"YSU football is in trouble..."
A legendary program that was the "Team of the 90's" has one playoff season in the 15 years of the Strollo era. A 5-6 record last season. A controversial OC returning.
Although I am cautiously optimistic about this year, I do see big red flags. If I see #6 on the field versus WVU then I'll go on the record as saying 2016 will be a re-packaged 2015 with no playoffs.
Saying the program is in trouble, IMO, is an overstatement, but not by much.
"the U has financial problems"
duh. Most public Universities do. Tressel has improved the outlook considerably though, but even he would admit he has financial concerns.
"the decision to bring back a men's BB coach who has produced nothing in 11 seasons but losers isn't setting well"
Understatement, although so few care about MBB in the Strollo era that there are so few to be outraged. Absurd doesn't come close to describing it.
"The athletic dept is in shambles."
100% percent accurate. The AD is dangerously inept, and the lost revenue because of his neglect of the revenue generating sports likely is in the millions, and just like interest and debt compounds, so does lack of revenue, as that funding would've developed those programs further.
Banning someone doesn't change reality.
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One sick individual. I can't help but wonder where all the hatred comes from? This clown would like nothing better than for YSU said "we're broke and closing our doors forever." This A$$ would be posting "I told you so, I told you so" every place he could find to post something!
Well, I hate to disappoint him, but JT has the university on much improved finical footing and it is getting nothing but better. Enrollment is up, endowment is up, revenue is up and expenses are down. The general fund balance has improved by 111% from just 2015 to 2016. I also see above the average increases in athletic expenses, but expenses are growing at a much slower rate than athletic revenue. Expenses for 2016 +3.2% and Revenue + 8.9%
All this is going to make Paladin a sad guy. Now let’s make the damn playoffs and really ruin his day!
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Dan's quick hits:
1. Yes Paladin is banned. He was not warned this time, as he is lucky to be on here in the first-place. Stop making him out to be something Nation, he is a moron and always has been. Just as banning him does not change reality ...saying something does not make that a reality either. The difference between yourself and Paladin is that you flavor your disdain for certain people with wisdom, Paladin does not. However, having a mind does not make everything you say correct ...just as me starting this board does lend anymore credence to some of my opinionated and less-than-knowledgeable comments.
2. Neither the OC, MBB coach, or AD are controversial. You just do not like them. Which is fine. The OC does not run a traditional smash-mouth YSU offense; but he produces points and (last year aside) we certainly have had less than stellar defenses in the past 6-years. The MBB coach is doing everything that he can with what he has and we could not even hope to find anyone nearly as good with the investment that we have made. The idea that upping the salary to $200k will produce better results is a bad one as well (not yours Nation), as we will not see any improvement in coaching quality under the $300k to $500k mark. This will mean a couple of very expensive assistants as well. I really wish we would dump money into the program and keep Slocum in-charge just to show certain people what he can do. The AD has been stellar in my opinion. We ignored so much for so long, yet we have been able to address these issues without closing our doors.
3. The athletic department is actually doing well, but revenues are down & football is not picking up all of the costs anymore ...but we are still in good shape & you really have to credit Strollo's financial sense and his ability to work cooperatively.
4. Paladin's idea that we have some sort of "good ole boy" system is not true ...I wish it was. It was that way when Tressel was AD for about 5-years & Malmusar...things were smooth. Now Strollo has to fight for every nickel (as any AD does) and he has truly been the first YSU AD to have to do this. We have really only had 2 AD's; the first one was incompetent (Malmusar) ...Tressel was an on-the-cheap hire, given a stipend of $15k - then up to $50k. He did not even have time to learn the job, so he just focused on football and the new conference.
In short, YSU has always been able to make something out of nothing and you can credit the "good ole boy" system for that. Look at coach Duzzer ...working his back-side off and the result was "the Ice Castle". Back then, the university was not the athletic department's friend by a long-shot. The AD at YSU (and probably many other universities) has to be hated by everyone ...the business community (as he is always asking for money) and the academic community (for basically the same reason). Yet, we all have to assume that someone knows what they are doing and it is not president Tressel. It is Ron Strollo. Maybe we will find our trust is misplaced, but Strollo has done nothing to show us this.
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It's all been said...I can't bear to rehash it no mo'
I thought JT was paid at least another $100K as AD...I thought he went from ~$150k to ~$250k as AD/HC....I could be wrong.
Let's make it interesting.....if Slocum posts a winning HL record in the next two years.....then I will post a topic titled "Jerry Slocum is a good HC" at that time.....but only if you agree if he doesn't, then you must post a topic titled, "Jerry Slocum is NOT a good HC." No run to the sweet sixteen, no NIT invite....just a winning conference record in either of the two upcoming seasons.
Do you accept?
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I cannot accept your offer, as there is no way for me to validate my opinion, which is fine. Even a run to the NCAA would not be enough to overcome his record ...everyone knows that.
As to JT. I don't think he ever made above $140k total in any season. We did not have post-season bonuses at that point. I think it was about half-way through coach H's tenure that I think those came on. I know that JT did not make $100k until his first year as AD. I think we hired him for $70k. I remember reading that he renewed early for $79k. I would have to dig back to find out. I will see what I can find.
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I suppose those were competitive numbers "in the day," but today it reads like we should have been wearing a mask, stealing JT with those kind of numbers! Good grief, did he donate more to the WATTS that we paid him!?!?
We should have hired him as Pres. out of gratitude alone, not to mention the GREAT job he is doing.
Regarding Slocum. I am late to this subject and am confused. Do we hate him because he is: 1. a bad coach. 2. a bad person 3. both or 4. a good guy and good coach but bad recruiter?
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I hate him because he dresses like a carnival barker and smells like cabbage.
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I hate him because he dresses like a carnival barker and smells like cabbage.
Sorry I didn't list that as one of my options. I'm sure I would have thought of your choices if I had spent a few additional minutes composing my questions!
Now I understand. I hate people who dress like carnival barkers, and especially the ones that smell like cabbage!
I much prefer coaches like BP, who dress like a retail stock clerk and smell like lasagna
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Profit margin on athletics is a little misleading. They would have been in the red had it not been for Ohio State having to pay YSU a buyout of a game we had scheduled with them this year. So, really we had two money payouts, Pitt and Ohio State.
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Profit margin on athletics is a little misleading. They would have been in the red had it not been for Ohio State having to pay YSU a buyout of a game we had scheduled with them this year. So, really we had two money payouts, Pitt and Ohio State.
That is true, OSU agreed to pay us the difference
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Technically, it was for a game scheduled in 2015, and they only paid us the difference (as IAA pointed out) from what we would have made if we played them vs what Pitt paid us. So we didn't exactly have two money games, but it did increase our profit margin from the one by 100k~
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I heard two accounts of the totals. The Vindy reported (but only a Scalzo tweet) that OSU was to pay us $750k. So with the $420 that we made from Pitt ...OSU paid us and additional $330,000. Issue I haeb there is that both of these numbers seem high. I though we made $360k for Pitt? I thought OSU was to pay is $600k. IN either caser they would owe us about the same though.
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I had not previously seen that Donald D'Alesio is d-line coach. Seems a little inexperienced, but you could always tell he had a great head for the game.
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Hats off to tOSU for keeping good on the payout:
"..the Buckeyes had agreed to pay Youngstown State $750,000 for a game, but backed out in light of new Big Ten scheduling rules. Instead, the Penguins will play Pittsburgh to open the season, and will be paid $420,000. Ohio State will make up the difference to Youngstown State."
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/8/13/9148007/ohio-state-football-schedule-ysu-2015
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I had not previously seen that Donald D'Alesio is d-line coach. Seems a little inexperienced, but you could always tell he had a great head for the game.
So does this make the coaching staff complete? Sometimes it is hard to follow a thread as there are so many branch thoughts posted on each.
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I had not previously seen that Donald D'Alesio is d-line coach. Seems a little inexperienced, but you could always tell he had a great head for the game.
So does this make the coaching staff complete? Sometimes it is hard to follow a thread as there are so many branch thoughts posted on each.
I believe so. Carl Pelini moved from D-Line to LB's.
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Strength and conditioning coach Ben Iannacchione has left the program to go back to L.S.U..He was making great strides here with the players
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It would be nice to see the 2016 coaching staff stay intact for the 2017 season. With success does bring opportunities for the staff. On a side note former YSU head coach Eric Wolford has left the 49ers and has accepted the job as offensive line coach for the university of South Carolina