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Title: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 01, 2015, 12:40:02 PM
Biggest day of the season!!
Well, for the Browns it's 149 days until the NFL Draft, for the 'Quins it's 64 days until National Signing Day Feb 3rd 2016.
Any rumors?  Any good sites to watch?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSU45 on December 01, 2015, 12:42:12 PM
I was watching the D1 playoffs on STO.  Where is the QB from Stow going to school? 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 01, 2015, 01:26:50 PM
I don't know where he is going to go, but I guarantee he won't be playing for YSU next season.

KYLE VANTREASE #9 Junior QB
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysufratrat23 on December 01, 2015, 03:26:49 PM
I have family and friends that live in Stow. They tell me Cincinnati. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 01, 2015, 03:59:38 PM
I have family and friends that live in Stow. They tell me Cincinnati.
A BCS school is no surprise here.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 03, 2015, 01:25:52 AM
Have heard some rumors of Bo going after a lot of JUCO and FBS guys. Bo was also on campus at the University of Kentucky last weekend.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ValleyTalk on December 03, 2015, 07:30:05 AM
Have heard some rumors of Bo going after a lot of JUCO and FBS guys. Bo was also on campus at the University of Kentucky last weekend.
I'd take UK's QB that is transferring.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 03, 2015, 10:08:03 AM
Couldn't help but notice NDSU has 5 commits so far to YSU's -0-   Their QB commit looks like he's going to be a punter, but 6'5" receiver looks pretty darn good.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 03, 2015, 10:24:41 AM
I have family and friends that live in Stow. They tell me Cincinnati.
A BCS school is no surprise here.

This kid is more than obtainable. Montgomery's kids play in that same conference and he probably has already seen Vantrease. Coach M's son is the QB at Green (and very talented in his own right).
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 03, 2015, 10:27:51 AM
Have heard some rumors of Bo going after a lot of JUCO and FBS guys. Bo was also on campus at the University of Kentucky last weekend.
I'd take UK's QB that is transferring.

I'm sure thats why he was there. Stoops probably helping Bo out, but Towles graduates in december and can transfer to a D1 school immediately.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 03, 2015, 11:00:19 AM

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This kid is more than obtainable. Montgomery's kids play in that same conference and he probably has already seen Vantrease. Coach M's son is the QB at Green (and very talented in his own right).
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Tanner M has some talent, but at 5-10 155 (and I would question the 5-10) I doubt 1-AA potential.  Looks NAIA at best to me.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: footballfanatic on December 03, 2015, 11:50:41 AM
I don't think Montgomery's kid has any interest in playing college football. He wants to play baseball and was offered a spot on the YSU baseball team but he is weighing his options.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 03, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
JORDAN DEMARCO I see we have an interest in a Jordan DeMarco from Fredericksburg, VA.  I don't know about his ability, but his HS has the ugliest uniforms this side of the stripes in Pitt!  Periwinkle Blue and Hunter Green.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysuguins4 on December 03, 2015, 12:29:33 PM
I don't think Montgomery's kid has any interest in playing college football. He wants to play baseball and was offered a spot on the YSU baseball team but he is weighing his options.

Speaking of coaches' kids, Pearson's son London was named 1st team All-Ohio as a DB at the Division 2 level.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 03, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
I don't think Montgomery's kid has any interest in playing college football. He wants to play baseball and was offered a spot on the YSU baseball team but he is weighing his options.

Speaking of coaches' kids, Pearson's son London was named 1st team All-Ohio as a DB at the Division 2 level.
Good for him!  We could always use DB's!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 03, 2015, 03:10:03 PM
The staff has been coast to coast as of late looking for talent.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 03, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
I don't think Montgomery's kid has any interest in playing college football. He wants to play baseball and was offered a spot on the YSU baseball team but he is weighing his options.

Agreed. Better baseball prospect. Should receive more than 1 offer. If he is that talented I hope we get him.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 03, 2015, 04:25:07 PM

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This kid is more than obtainable. Montgomery's kids play in that same conference and he probably has already seen Vantrease. Coach M's son is the QB at Green (and very talented in his own right).
Tanner M has some talent, but at 5-10 155 (and I would question the 5-10) I doubt 1-AA potential.  Looks NAIA at best to me.

I think he is much better than that, but again he is an exceptional athlete. He just happens to be as good (or better) at baseball. Green is a solid sized program and he now owns just about every school record. I talked with him at the NDSU game, he was part of that large recruiting group for football, but he comes to many Penguin games. Does not look much over 150-160 lbs, so I see your point about him maybe not being DI material at QB. However, he is most-likely a really good future coach, so he has some decisions to make. Does he want to coach baseball or football :)
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 04, 2015, 11:33:27 AM
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However, he is most-likely a really good future coach, so he has some decisions to make. Does he want to coach baseball or football :)
Hey 1-AA, give the kid a chance to go to school and play the sport of his choice first!  He has plenty of time for career decisions down the line! 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 05, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
I wonder if coach Pelini or any of his staff have been in Columbus for the championship games. I'm Currently watching Bishop Hartley and Stubenville. I'm very impressed with both power backs Quri Hickman of Bishop and Johnny Blue of Stubenville. I would love to see a true power running game at YSU and either one of these 2 would definitely help
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ValleyTalk on December 05, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
I wonder if coach Pelini or any of his staff have been in Columbus for the championship games. I'm Currently watching Bishop Hartley and Stubenville. I'm very impressed with both power backs Quri Hickman of Bishop and Johnny Blue of Stubenville. I would love to see a true power running game at YSU and either one of these 2 would definitely help
I saw Big Red last week vs. Ursuline. I'd love to get a handful of those kids. They were good, yet they just lost in the state title which really surprises me!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 05, 2015, 11:21:05 PM
That was a great game tonight Valley. Just 2 really tough teams. I thought Bishop had some big time run stoppers that could really move for their size and get up field. The only other game I watched was Lasalle and they were just loaded with talent..several players from all 3 teams that could help YSU in some capacity
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSU1 on December 07, 2015, 02:30:18 PM
I watched the State Play offs and the games were entertaining.  The lower divisions were good. 3 teams from the same conference in Division V, VI and VII were in the state finals.  (2 won)  The quarterbacks threw the ball well and the wide outs made some great catches.  Plus these high school coaches had some excellent play calling.  I doubt roo many players from the lower divisions will go to  big colleges but they sure do play with a lot of heart, and discipline.  Fundamentally the teams were solid which is why they were there.
YSU needs a better offensive scheme.   Just move the chains.   Way too many 3 and outs. Plus you have to throw the ball downfield rather than in the flats.  2 runs up the middle and a pass in the flat does not do it.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 07, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
There is a very good chance Bo will bring in a dual-threat Quarterback. The last I heard they were looking at Trent Hosick a 6"2  225 pounder with 4.6 speed from Arizona Western Junior College. Signed with Missouri as a 3 star prospect but left after the first year because he felt he wasn't given a fair opportunity to start. Finished 7-0 his first season at the J.C. Level and was offered by San Diego St. and B.Y.U. but turned down their offers. Lost his starting job this season after several bad outings and fought various injuries along the way. The film looks very good on him but the level of competition is nothing compared to the Missouri 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 07, 2015, 10:26:44 PM
There is a very good chance Bo will bring in a dual-threat Quarterback. The last I heard they were looking at Trent Hosick a 6"2  225 pounder with 4.6 speed from Arizona Western Junior College. Signed with Missouri as a 3 star prospect but left after the first year because he felt he wasn't given a fair opportunity to start. Finished 7-0 his first season at the J.C. Level and was offered by San Diego St. and B.Y.U. but turned down their offers. Lost his starting job this season after several bad outings and fought various injuries along the way. The film looks very good on him but the level of competition is nothing compared to the Missouri

Yeah, Bo and Shane were out to see him today. Sounds like when times get tough he gives up and leaves though. Battled injuries this year. I might give him a chance.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 08, 2015, 10:09:09 AM
Not impressed ...besides he is in his second year. We are set at QB long before the line. I do not think any of us realize how good Mays can be. He is 6-3 and a 4-year player at basketball

If I was looking at the JUCO rout, it would have to be a kid that upped his grades enough the first year.  Maybe someone in the prep ranks or a IA transfer out of a red-shirt year? I want 3 years out of him. Then again, if Bo is in a hurry, we need someone proven ...I just hate using "the Delaware method". You can never get out of it.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 08, 2015, 02:17:52 PM
Not impressed ...besides he is in his second year. We are set at QB long before the line. I do not think any of us realize how good Mays can be. He is 6-3 and a 4-year player at basketball

If I was looking at the JUCO rout, it would have to be a kid that upped his grades enough the first year.  Maybe someone in the prep ranks or a IA transfer out of a red-shirt year? I want 3 years out of him. Then again, if Bo is in a hurry, we need someone proven ...I just hate using "the Delaware method". You can never get out of it.

If Mays sees the field, god help us all.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 08, 2015, 03:13:57 PM
BTW, the "Delaware Method" is constant transfers. All short-timers.

As to Mays ...he only took a couple of snaps at the scrimmage that I was at.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 09, 2015, 09:49:55 AM
I agree with 1AA Fan there's not a immediate need for a Juco Qb, but chances are good it will happen.The teams main issues are with the receiver's, offensive line, and punter and that is where the focus should be. 5 of 6 losses where by a average of 4 points. Not enough reason in my opinion to go National for a quarterback search. Both Ricky and Hunter played well enough for a 8 win season. Coaching alone cost the guins 3 games and I'm not afraid to say so. To this point the staff has looked at 3 dual/threat Qb's and not one even holds a FCS offer. After viewing all 3..Ricky Davis would be the better of the 3 in terms of dual threat..with Wells being the best passer. Like I said before bringing in transfers can be very damaging to a clubhouse as we learned that this past year. Bo is extremely embarrassed about going 5-6 at the FCS level..Hopefully he will make good decisions on the 2016 class and get this thing turned around 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 09, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Nice post Fever. Mays is also a solid punter ...all SW region in HS last year with a 41.3 yard average. Do you think we can make up for the losses at WR with what we have returning? What are your thoughts on recruiting a larger back for our nickel and dime packages, or do your think Shane can handle it?


The best thing Bo can do is trust his coordinators, be very involved in the recruiting (he has the name) and most of all ...get a dang special teams coordinator. This team has no need for two DC's and a defensive-minded HC.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 09, 2015, 01:52:01 PM
I agree with 1-AA in that we have exactly 1 too many DC's and 1 two few special teams coordinators. "Everybody" says you need to win all three phases of the game, and we obviously don't believe it, and we got burned in several games last season because of it.   
If you have 2 DC's you have 1 too many.  I think very inconsistant play by OSU defense is partly having 2 voices when you need one.  (BTW, that got fixed with Ash's new HC job)
It looks like we are in great shape for place kicking, but punting, kick-offs and coverage teams all need huge improvement.  Frankly I'd rather have a kick off guy than a QB.  (IMO we would have won NDSU and made playoffs if we could kick for a touchback every time.)
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 12, 2015, 10:15:14 AM
Thought I would list some of the players who have been offered so far by Bo and staff:

Andrew Armstrong- Cardinal Mooney- 6-2 ATH- Committed to Bowling Green (Who just lost their HC)

Tyler Walton- Canton CC- 6-2, 280 OL- (Other small FCS Offers)

Isaiah Anderson- Nordonia- 6-3, 300 OL (Other small FCS Offers)

London Pearson (Coach's son) - Licking Heights- 5-11 ATH (Other small FCS offers)

Brennon Tibbs (Walk on offer) - GlenOak- 6-0 ATH

Noah Ball (Walk on offer)- Walsh Jesuit- Kicker

Wes Thompson (Walk on offer)- Boardman- 6-0, 280 OL/DL

Adam Pastor (Walk on offer)- Walsh Jesuit- 6-2, 290 DT

Koby Welch (JUCO)- LA Pierce- 6-4, 220 LB (Northwestern State Commit)

Sam White- Boone (FL)- 6-3, 235 DE (Offers from Old Dominion)

Elijah Wilson- Omaha Central (NE)- 6-2, 240 DE (SDSU Commit)

Lynval Sutherland Jr- Hallandale (FL)- 5-11, 175 DB (Offers from Toledo, USF, Cincy, Buffalo)

Andrew Hines- Hallandale (FL)- 6-0, 190 DB (Offer from Northern Illinois)

Malik Forrester (JUCO)- LA Pierce- 6-1, 305 DT (Offers from Umass, Idaho, Hawaii)

Savohn Hunt- St. Johns (Washington DC) 6-0, 290 DT

Patrick Miranda (JUCO)- Chabot College- 6-0, 230 LB

Justin Berry- West Ashley (SC) 6-0 ATH (Offers from Akron, Temple, Arizona State)

Rahshaun Smith- IMG Academy (FL)- 6-3, 240 LB (#2 rated LB in nation)

Stephen Puhl- Woodland Hills (PA)- 6-4, 210 TE (Offers from BG, WF, Air Force, Delaware, Eastern Michigan)




Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 12, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Thanks for adding that list chief and please keep us updated. I would like to add that YSU quarterback Tanner Garry has transferred to Slippery Rock. To your earlier question 1AA FAN on the Current wide receiver situation. I do think there is a need but I don't think the staff is heading in that direction. The current  roster for the spring includes 11 WR's. I look for Townsend, Harvin, and Scott to be the 1, 2, and 3 guys and Williams, Shackleford, Brown and Swanson to fill in for added depth. It's interesting to see how some backs perform against Base, Nickel and dime packages these days in terms of yads per carry. That's where we really missed the likes of Ryan Moore this Season. If you can get positive yardage against all 3 your play selection and success on offense increases dramatically
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 14, 2015, 02:03:53 PM
Juco Qb Trent Hosick of Arizona Western will be making his official visit to YSU this weekend. It's my understanding the staff is very high on him and I look for him to be offered. He is actually closer to 6"0 215 then the original 6"2 225 that I had posted   
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 14, 2015, 02:13:21 PM
Yep, they are on high on him from what I heard.

New Offer: Vitas Hrynkiewicz- JUCO Center from Independence, KS. 6-4, 305.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 14, 2015, 02:18:19 PM
Also forgot to add Keevon Harris from LaBrae. 6-3 ATH who is getting several FBS offers. Be nice to keep this kid at home.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 14, 2015, 02:33:33 PM
Trent is a mirror image of Ricky Davis with Johnny Football size. I say if you want to go the Dual threat direction go with Ricky to preserve scholarships so you can bring in lineman that can support a running Qb
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 14, 2015, 03:30:24 PM
Trent is a mirror image of Ricky Davis with Johnny Football size. I say if you want to go the Dual threat direction go with Ricky to preserve scholarships so you can bring in lineman that can support a running Qb
I don't get this Ricky Davis, dual threat stuff.  This kid seems like a nice kid and all, but he can't pass well and he can't run well.  He runs better than Hunter, but not well.  Somebody go key up the games we played against running QB's and Ricky's "highlights" and it isn't compairable.  Ricky isn't a dual threat, damn, he isn't even a single threat!  I think you can win with Hunter, but you absolutely can't with Ricky.  Forget Ricky Davis. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 14, 2015, 04:43:00 PM
Trent is a mirror image of Ricky Davis with Johnny Football size. I say if you want to go the Dual threat direction go with Ricky to preserve scholarships so you can bring in lineman that can support a running Qb
I don't get this Ricky Davis, dual threat stuff.  This kid seems like a nice kid and all, but he can't pass well and he can't run well.  He runs better than Hunter, but not well.  Somebody go key up the games we played against running QB's and Ricky's "highlights" and it isn't compairable.  Ricky isn't a dual threat, damn, he isn't even a single threat!  I think you can win with Hunter, but you absolutely can't with Ricky.  Forget Ricky Davis.

You see Hunter throw the ball this year? Can't win with him either so guess we should go should with somebody new.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 14, 2015, 04:50:15 PM
I'm not a fan of a Dual-threat Qb because the risk of injury is just to great. What if this kid was named the starter and Wells and Davis transfer out and He goes down 3 weeks into the season? Who do we turn to Mays? I Know this is all speculation to this point, but the fact he left Missouri because things didn't go his way in terms of playing time early on and then backing out of his commitment to BYU at the last minute tells me he doesn't necessarily like the idea of competition
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 14, 2015, 05:24:07 PM
Trent is a mirror image of Ricky Davis with Johnny Football size. I say if you want to go the Dual threat direction go with Ricky to preserve scholarships so you can bring in lineman that can support a running Qb
I don't get this Ricky Davis, dual threat stuff.  This kid seems like a nice kid and all, but he can't pass well and he can't run well.  He runs better than Hunter, but not well.  Somebody go key up the games we played against running QB's and Ricky's "highlights" and it isn't compairable.  Ricky isn't a dual threat, damn, he isn't even a single threat!  I think you can win with Hunter, but you absolutely can't with Ricky.  Forget Ricky Davis.

You see Hunter throw the ball this year? Can't win with him either so guess we should go should with somebody new.
Hunter still throws better then Hosick..watching film of Arizona Western games reminds me of teams in the pioneer  conference..so that's not saying much
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 15, 2015, 10:09:45 AM
The stats for Southern Illinois QB recruit Jhakari Harrison out of Coconut Creek, FL are amazing.  I know, the 2 big questions about recruits are "system" and this kid is out of a wide open spread offence and "competition" and I don't know Cononut Creek from Duck Creek. but 3 games of 7+ TD's, 41 as a senior and 107 overall against even me would be at least something.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on December 15, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
The stats for Southern Illinois QB recruit Jhakari Harrison out of Coconut Creek, FL are amazing.  I know, the 2 big questions about recruits are "system" and this kid is out of a wide open spread offence and "competition" and I don't know Cononut Creek from Duck Creek. but 3 games of 7+ TD's, 41 as a senior and 107 overall against even me would be at least something.

Wow. I wonder who else was after him? If its just them I'd feel better.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 15, 2015, 03:22:29 PM
Jhakari Harrison Offers:
-Southern Illinois Southern Illinois    Committed (7/10/2015)       
-Alcorn State Alcorn State
-Bethune-Cookman Bethune-Cookman    
-Florida A&M Florida A&M    
-Northern Colorado Northern Colorado    
-Samford


If you look at his film, you see why. He is no where near 6-1. Also the lack of his film showing any long balls tells me his arm is weak. Nice speed though. So he could be killer in the red-zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auEKgOOjFqQ
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 15, 2015, 03:49:46 PM
What's everyone think about Keemari Murry and Lynn Bowden from Harding?

Murry is a senior and I think he would be a nice fit here. He's smaller but tough and has nice speed.

Bowden is a junior and is an exceptional athlete. Will probably play WR in college, already has a ton of FBS offers so he may end up in Columbus but would be nice to keep this duo at home.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on December 16, 2015, 08:19:48 AM
Thanks IAA. I do feel a bit better. It will be interesting to see what they do with him.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 10:08:16 AM
Today is the first official day Juco transfers can sign..I expect a good number to sign for the 2016 class..That's the direction Bo and staff have gone this off season
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 11:44:55 AM
YTOWNCHIEF22 Any word on Devin O'Hara Juco Qb DuPage? I like him better then Hosick. As highly rated as both were (some publications #3 and #4 they still have yet to receive any offers. The last I checked the top 12 or so have signed and are off the board
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 16, 2015, 01:02:30 PM
YTOWNCHIEF22 Any word on Devin O'Hara Juco Qb DuPage? I like him better then Hosick. As highly rated as both were (some publications #3 and #4 they still have yet to receive any offers. The last I checked the top 12 or so have signed and are off the board

I have not heard anything on him yet. Definitely has the size and physical attributes. Was committed WIU out of high school.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
YTOWNCHIEF22 Any word on Devin O'Hara Juco Qb DuPage? I like him better then Hosick. As highly rated as both were (some publications #3 and #4 they still have yet to receive any offers. The last I checked the top 12 or so have signed and are off the board

I have not heard anything on him yet. Definitely has the size and physical attributes. Was committed WIU out of high school.
I heard the staff is interested. He did take a official visit to Indiana, But the highest rated qb in the Juco rankings just signed with the Hoosiers. I like his size at 6"5 and 220 and his 4.6-4.7 speed is legit. I believe he completed about 67% of his passes this season with 21 td's and 5 int's and was only sacked twice
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 16, 2015, 02:21:00 PM
Any word on DL Malik Forrester? I am hearing he has decided to come here. Also I hear Contra Costa CB Damarius Brinson (6-1, 193) has signed. Both of these guys are "bigger" prospects and sound too good to be true.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 02:48:42 PM
No word yet on Malik, that would be a great get. Holds 10 offers including Colorado St, Fresno St, and Hawaii. Would like to make a decision today but may take some more visits and decide later
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 04:27:52 PM
1AA FAN we lost big Malik to Fresno St. his next choice was YSU
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: The YO Show on December 16, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
1AA FAN we lost big Malik to Fresno St. his next choice was YSU

Sorry to see that. Was getting excited about the possibility of having him.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 16, 2015, 07:12:16 PM
Contra Costa DB Billy Nicoe Hurst has committed to us. Signed his papers today.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 08:05:22 PM
Contra Costa DB Billy Nicoe Hurst has committed to us. Signed his papers today.
Good 4.5 speed. Other offers were Delaware St, Weber St, and Mississippi Valley St. Still good to get a California kid. Proximity is not always in our favor with the top Juco programs being out west. Matt Campbell of Iowa St. has hit alot of home runs today
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 09:02:43 PM
One more Qb to mention. Mason Dossey from orange coast college is being looked at by the staff. Holds 8 division 2 offers and zero division 1 offers. The other 2 quarterbacks Hosick and O'Hara hold No offers in division 1 or 2..So if anyone of them are offered I'm sure they will accept. .I hope we get this right
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: guins4dayz on December 16, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
I'm sure thats why he was there. Stoops probably helping Bo out, but Towles graduates in december and can transfer to a D1 school immediately.

Or maybe because he's leaving to be Kentucky's DC.....
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 09:27:59 PM
I'm sure thats why he was there. Stoops probably helping Bo out, but Towles graduates in december and can transfer to a D1 school immediately.

Or maybe because he's leaving to be Kentucky's DC.....
Shhhhhh!!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 16, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
I'm sure thats why he was there. Stoops probably helping Bo out, but Towles graduates in december and can transfer to a D1 school immediately.

Or maybe because he's leaving to be Kentucky's DC.....

Rumors
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 16, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Hosick ended up getting 0 offers and did not sign with anyone today.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 10:01:01 PM
Hosick ended up getting 0 offers and did not sign with anyone today.
Correct
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
I don't exactly know how many Qb's signed with division 1 and 2 programs today but it was a pretty high number
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 16, 2015, 11:25:00 PM
I'm sure thats why he was there. Stoops probably helping Bo out, but Towles graduates in december and can transfer to a D1 school immediately.

Or maybe because he's leaving to be Kentucky's DC.....

Rumors
More then likely just a rumor that is sure to pick up steam in the coming days. I really thought Bo's name would come up in the college coaching carousel the last 6 weeks but that hasn't been the case. Stoops needs all the help he can get Defensively and Bo could earn the label coach in waiting in a year or so. It does make perfect sense, what I do know is Bo cant afford another .500 season at Youngstown or that type of scenario will be less likely to happen
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 17, 2015, 12:15:00 AM
There's no way Bo leaves after 1 year to go be the DC at Kensucky of all places. Stoops there or not.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 17, 2015, 10:09:22 AM
Couple walk on offers the last couple days:

Clay Shreve- Lake- 6-2, 225 MLB. Also has a walk on offer from Akron.

Zane Bunnell- Eastlake- 6-2 QB.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Double ET on December 17, 2015, 10:24:07 AM
Couple walk on offers the last couple days:

Clay Shreve- Lake- 6-2, 225 MLB. Also has a walk on offer from Akron.

Zane Bunnell- Eastlake- 6-2 QB.
Does anybody have any information on whether we are targeting any local players?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on December 17, 2015, 12:41:27 PM
I'm sure thats why he was there. Stoops probably helping Bo out, but Towles graduates in december and can transfer to a D1 school immediately.

Or maybe because he's leaving to be Kentucky's DC.....

Rumors
More then likely just a rumor that is sure to pick up steam in the coming days. I really thought Bo's name would come up in the college coaching carousel the last 6 weeks but that hasn't been the case. Stoops needs all the help he can get Defensively and Bo could earn the label coach in waiting in a year or so. It does make perfect sense, what I do know is Bo cant afford another .500 season at Youngstown or that type of scenario will be less likely to happen

I seriously doubt he is leaving until after 2018, but it is interesting to watch UK fans drool over him the way the Maryland fans did:

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/bo-pelini-to-uk-as-dc.137339/
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 17, 2015, 01:34:46 PM
So true, they all are saying he would be a great hire as DC? LOL. I mean 2 years ago, they would be salivating over getting Bo as head coach from Nebraska. Is he suddenly less of a head coach :)
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on December 18, 2015, 08:47:28 AM
From the Vindy:

"A day after Internet speculation regarding Youngstown State football coach Bo Pelini possibly leaving the Penguins to join the staff at Kentucky, Pelini — who just completed his first season at YSU — denied the rumor.

“Yeah, that’s so ludicrous,” he said in a phone call Thursday evening. “That’s just ridiculous.” "


http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/dec/18/pelini-denies-kentucky-interest/
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 18, 2015, 04:00:44 PM
Juco quarterback Trent Hosick was offered
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on December 19, 2015, 10:45:53 AM
Juco quarterback Trent Hosick was offered

Let the great QB debate of 2016 begin  :o
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 19, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
He is on campus this weekend as well. Trying to seal the deal I'd imagine.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: MrGuin on December 19, 2015, 04:03:04 PM
Just saw this Chris Sailer Kicking....  K/P N. Needham offered by Youngstown St


Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 19, 2015, 05:31:01 PM
He is on campus this weekend as well. Trying to seal the deal I'd imagine.
It's really hard to say what type of offer it is, keep in mind he holds know other offers. Typically Juco's are brought in to fill an immediate void and or need. In this situation I think it's way to early to tell. The staff could be trying to light a fire under Hunters butt and feel Ricky isn't pushing him hard enough and they need the added depth. Or they could be planning on making him the starter. For right now nothing is official
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on December 19, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
Will Grier is transferring out of Florida. There are several other P5 QBs transferring.  JMU got Vad Lee. ISUr got Roberson.  Let's get ours.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on December 19, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
Grier was suspended for a year for Peds by the NCAA he is eligible for reinstatement mid Oct 2016.  He is from NOrth Carolina I think.  We have zero chance of getting him. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 19, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
I think Greir can play right away, but has been suspended. So I suspect he will still stay FBS.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on December 19, 2015, 08:37:10 PM
Grier can play as soon as Oct 15, 2016.....if he transfers to the FCS.  He has to sit out a year if he goes to another FBS program.  All he would miss at YSU would be the junk games, WVU, and only two MVFC games.  He could start for the final 6 MVFC games (a majority of the regular season) and the post-season.

He is a freshman and would have years of eligibility remaining.

Carson Wentz is an FCS/MVFC QB and is a top QB pro-prospect. IMO, a move to YSU, with BP as HC, makes a ton of sense.....if he stays off of the juice.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 20, 2015, 09:33:59 AM
I don't get it; but ...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWoWxUjUEAAgJAO.jpg)

I do like that he is only a freshman, but I do not think he has the passing skills of Wells. Then again, he seems much more mobile, has good touch on the ball and has not had 2-years to hone his skills at the DI level. Let's put it this way ...I trust coach M (in choosing a QB) more so than I do coach Bo. So if Montgomery likes what he sees, then for now ...so do I. Welcome to Youngstown!!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on December 20, 2015, 10:15:23 AM
.I trust coach M (in choosing a QB) more so than I do coach Bo. So if Montgomery likes what he sees, then for now ...so do I. Welcome to Youngstown!!

Didn't coach M also chose #pick 6?  Not the best record of choosing QBs since Big Ben.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 20, 2015, 10:30:15 AM
I don't get it; but ...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWoWxUjUEAAgJAO.jpg)

I do like that he is only a freshman, but I do not think he has the passing skills of Wells. Then again, he seems much more mobile, has good touch on the ball and has not had 2-years to hone his skills at the DI level. Let's put it this way ...I trust coach M (in choosing a QB) more so than I do coach Bo. So if Montgomery likes what he sees, then for now ...so do I. Welcome to Youngstown!!
I think Trent will wait to see if he picks up any other offers before making a decision on YSU. Without question he would bring a element of toughness to the quarterback position. I still don't like the fact he gave his word to two different programs and backed out of his commitment. He was benched this season at AWC and replaced with a true freshman. His passing skills are know where close to that of Wells. The speed and complexity of Missouri conference defenses will be alot different then that in the Juco ranks and will take time for him to adjust . I to trust Shane's opinion with player personell. .then again this might be all Bo's decision. We will welcome Trent with open arms if he picks YSU. The fact that he did have offers from Missouri and BYU says alot. Sometimes the road through the Juco rankings isn't the easiest and I fully understand that. It can either help or hurt your cause
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: peteonastick on December 20, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
All I need to see is at 2:07 in this video.  We have him this past year we beat Ill. State and NDSU.  Tough and can take a hit and sold out for that score!!  Unlike our current QB who fell in front of the goal line agains Ill. State and is a 0 threat to run the ball.  We need to land this kid...

http://www.hudl.com/v/DNZer

GO GUINS
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysuseasonticket on December 20, 2015, 12:01:45 PM
All I need to see is at 2:07 in this video.  We have him this past year we beat Ill. State and NDSU.  Tough and can take a hit and sold out for that score!!  Unlike our current QB who fell in front of the goal line agains Ill. State and is a 0 threat to run the ball.  We need to land this kid...

http://www.hudl.com/v/DNZer

GO GUINS

I just got done watching that video and agree with you 100%.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 20, 2015, 12:43:11 PM
He has not committed to YSU. Let's ease up on the expectations until he signs that LOI.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on December 20, 2015, 06:56:41 PM
So if he comes here who is out.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 21, 2015, 10:47:14 AM
So if he comes here who is out.
Well, you can argue if Wells can play or not, but Davis clearly can't so one way or the other, Ricky is out.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on December 21, 2015, 11:18:01 AM
So if he comes here who is out.
Well, you can argue if Wells can play or not, but Davis clearly can't so one way or the other, Ricky is out.

Wells had a fair test...tons of opportunity to prove himself...and failed.  It would be absolutely insane to have him start next year.   Why, it would be like Jerry Slocum returning as MBB HC and hoping we win the HL.

Davis was rarely allowed to pass, and when he did, he did reasonably well.  He ran well.  The body of work is limited though, so we don't really know.  The MSU game was a wasted opportunity to evaluate him.  He should've started and played all 4 quarters.

Ricky has a higher passing efficiency than Wells.  http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf

Ricky, despite limited action, was our third leading rusher with 195 yards.  Wells...an eye opening minus 44 yards.

Rushing TDs?  Wells: zero (which happens when you drop your knee when you decide to not take a hit for the team).  Davis:  Four....again after very limited playing time.


http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/teams/youngstownst?view=lineup

By every measure Davis >>> Wells.  Either way, one of the benefits of BP as HC is his ability to recruit a P5 transfer to YSU.  Maybe Trent is the answer, but I'd still be looking.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 21, 2015, 12:38:47 PM
Let's be real Nation, Receivers did Wells know favors. Probably should've been closer to a 65 to 70% completion rate. More and more colleges however are going the Dual-threat route while NFL teams are in search of guys who can make complicated reads, difficult throws and stay healthy. Different schemes and systems require different players. This program is know where close to having those players to support a running Qb..it could take years
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on December 21, 2015, 12:50:41 PM
Fever, I agree.....tons of dropped balls.....it was hard to watch.......but Davis had a higher passing efficiency w/ the same receivers. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on December 21, 2015, 01:32:30 PM
Let's be real Nation, Receivers did Wells know favors. Probably should've been closer to a 65 to 70% completion rate. More and more colleges however are going the Dual-threat route while NFL teams are in search of guys who can make complicated reads, difficult throws and stay healthy. Different schemes and systems require different players. This program is know where close to having those players to support a running Qb..it could take years

This is a really good point. Finally, someone mentioning style. Over the last 3-years, I have watched Montgomery "dumb-down" his offense and it has been less effective in terms of points. Now last year we really had no choice, as we had no power backs on offense & depleted O-Line. Prior to that it was a request from coach Wolf. Now we do have a better TOP and stronger second-half stats, but little else to show for it. So just how many changes do we want to make? I think we can score many more points with a bit more complexity & this means we need to recruit players with higher football IQ's.

Also, I do not feel it is that much of a stretch to infuse a more mobile QB into Montgomery's offense. Should not take long to make the adjustment. Indiana State and Jacksonville State both have mobile QB's with very similar styles of offense, compared to YSU.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 21, 2015, 02:08:05 PM
Unless you have an all time great offensive line that's been together for 3-4 years and has the experience and the toughness to get through the season, you need a mobile QB to be successful in college. It just is how it's done now a days. You don't need Michael Vick out there, but you need someone who can escape pressure and run for a 1st down, make 1 defender miss and scramble outside the pocket. Wells has a hard time getting that done.

IF Hosick decides to join this program, I'll be interested to see how it plays out.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysubigred on December 21, 2015, 02:22:46 PM
Let's be real Nation, Receivers did Wells know favors. Probably should've been closer to a 65 to 70% completion rate. More and more colleges however are going the Dual-threat route while NFL teams are in search of guys who can make complicated reads, difficult throws and stay healthy. Different schemes and systems require different players. This program is know where close to having those players to support a running Qb..it could take years

This is a really good point. Finally, someone mentioning style. Over the last 3-years, I have watched Montgomery "dumb-down" his offense and it has been less effective in terms of points. Now last year we really had no choice, as we had no power backs on offense & depleted O-Line. Prior to that it was a request from coach Wolf. Now we do have a better TOP and stronger second-half stats, but little else to show for it. So just how many changes do we want to make? I think we can score many more points with a bit more complexity & this means we need to recruit players with higher football IQ's.

Also, I do not feel it is that much of a stretch to infuse a more mobile QB into Montgomery's offense. Should not take long to make the adjustment. Indiana State and Jacksonville State both have mobile QB's with very similar styles of offense, compared to YSU.

I think Monty and his complicated offense should go #twocents

This is what the current power in FCS uses to be sucessful,,,,

You have to recruit kids willing to play smash mouth football and no self glory attitudes just a one for all and all for one type attitude. Strength and conditioning are vital as well as the willingness of the team to stay year round and train as a team even when the coaches can not be a part of it.

Everyone now days wants to see the high octane spread offense on the field and too many schools spend too much time worrying about their offense and not enough on creating a strong D.  Look at what NDSU runs for O the west coast offense which is power run and short passing. On D they run the Tampa 2. The D scheme is hard complicated to learn but so very effective to use.  
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on December 23, 2015, 03:08:33 PM
I see we signed BILLY NICOE HURST, a JUCO CB SS from Contra Costa College, San Pablo, CA

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/845009/billy-nicoe-hurst

Don't recall seeing a HS College or NFL team with too many DB's!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on December 28, 2015, 02:45:44 PM
Jacob Esarco, LB/DE from Canfield has been offered by YSU. 6-4, 225 pounds.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on December 31, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
Not to much to report on the recruiting front. Quarterback Trent Hosick did pick up his second offer from Charleston Southern. CSU enjoyed their best season ever and lost in the quarterfinals to Jacksonville St.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysuseasonticket on January 01, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
Not to much to report on the recruiting front. Quarterback Trent Hosick did pick up his second offer from Charleston Southern. CSU enjoyed their best season ever and lost in the quarterfinals to Jacksonville St.

Just a quick fact:

I see the Charleston Southern football stadium (Buccaneer Field) has a seating capacity of 4,000. That's equivalent to our D3 and/or D4 high school stadiums in the Valley. I'm not knocking CSU for this, just throwing out some numbers.

Advantage - YSU  ;)
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on January 01, 2016, 03:08:38 PM
I have a feeling he is coming here!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on January 01, 2016, 08:03:04 PM
I have a feeling he is coming here!
I do to..unless something crazy happens like Bo to LSU as the next D.C.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on January 02, 2016, 08:46:44 AM
He isn't going anywhere
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on January 02, 2016, 08:54:00 AM
LSU hired someone from Wisconsin.  Bo didn't come here to leave in a year or 2.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on January 02, 2016, 09:58:04 AM
Thanks for the update YSUGO..I didn't catch that..was just going on what Dana had reported a day or so ago
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 02, 2016, 10:45:00 AM
Bo is a head coach.  I don't thing emotions would sit will with another HC on the sidelines.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 05, 2016, 12:09:40 AM
Cameron Mackey, a 5-10 ATH from North Marion (HS) in FL has been offered.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 05, 2016, 10:27:29 AM
Vitas Hrynkiewicz (JUCO) has committed and I'm assuming will be in running to be the new center next year.
Listed at 6-4, 305.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on January 05, 2016, 10:45:27 AM
Thanks Chief. It say that he had solid grades and was a full-qualifier out of High School. Do you happen to know what year he is in? Had offers from Kansas, UAB and SMU. Was expecting an offer from Kansas State.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 05, 2016, 10:50:25 AM
I believe he has 3 years, I-AA fan. Not 100% sure though.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on January 05, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
It looks that way. Depends on whether or not he was a senior at Milford. Go to the SMU recruiting blog, they were real high on him. Look like he had issues his senior year (no details given), then one year as a JUCO ...so that should be 3-years left.  Looks like a nice job by coach Carm. Am I misreading his timeline, or did he commit to YSU 2-years ago?

https://southernmiss.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1085&script=%2Fcontent.asp&cid=1814627

This is a rivals site, so you have to join
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 06, 2016, 03:18:44 PM
Hosick has committed. New QB and Center combo next year?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on January 06, 2016, 04:42:38 PM
Hosick has committed. New QB and Center combo next year?
Not surprised about this latest development. Trent must feel pretty good about his chances of becoming the starter. My gut feeling is Wells beats him out ( If he doesn't transfer ) and Trent plays a similar role like Ricky did last year.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: peteonastick on January 06, 2016, 08:35:40 PM
Hosick has committed. New QB and Center combo next year?
Not surprised about this latest development. Trent must feel pretty good about his chances of becoming the starter. My gut feeling is Wells beats him out ( If he doesn't transfer ) and Trent plays a similar role like Ricky did last year.

NO WAY...this kid starts now...no doubt he came here because he saw Wells play on film and his complete inability to run and Pelini let him know it is his job to lose.  If Wells starts next year over this kid...I know this 30 year season ticket holder will be in the tailgate lot until he does start.  I cannot watch another year of option football where our QB NEVER KEEPS THE BALL AND ALLOWS THE RUNNING BACKS TO GET KILLED!!  Just by the film this kid is way better than both Davis, who is lazy, and Wells who runs like a giraffe.  Check out the highlight film...2:07 seconds in  is all I have to see about this kid and his desire to get into the endzone...If we have him this past year we win against Ill St. Ind St and NDSU...no doubt in my mind!  He went to Missouri was offered by BYU, San Diego State...and Wells is going to beat him out?? 

http://byu.247sports.com/Article/QB-Trent-Hosick-to-graduate-in-December-with-three-to-play-three-33476392

GO GUINS
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ScarletRook on January 06, 2016, 10:51:01 PM
Ricky Davis has problems no doubt, but being lazy isn't one of them.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 07, 2016, 01:11:08 AM
Hosick's mechanics need some work (Although so do Ricky and Hunter's), but Hosick's running ability I think will give this team its best chance to win. It'll be interesting to see how the competition pans out. Bo has had his fair share of running QB's at Nebraska.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on January 07, 2016, 11:23:07 AM
I agree with Chief. I aqm concerned with his short arm capabilities.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 08, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
Wheeling Park (WV) RB Savion Johnson will be taking a visit here in a couple weeks. Really like this kids game. Tough runner, good vision. Has an offer from Akron...


http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2270166/savion-johnson

Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on January 08, 2016, 02:02:45 PM
Surely you joke ?  This kid isn't a D-I player . No speed and played typical WV football where there is no blocking or tackling. Wasted schollie if they offer one.

BTW, Hosick isn't that great. Arm is questionable but he does add some running ability . Better than the current QB , but I told you two years ago that he wouldn't start for 4 years as his ability was low.

After a stinker first class, I see nothing so far in the current class to indicate Bo is a good recruiter , as I warned. BTW, The Youngstown area is AWFUL this year. Talent level really down overall.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 08, 2016, 02:16:21 PM
I'm not saying he should be the feature back. But would be nice to have this kid in a 3rd and 1 or 2 to run up the middle instead of watching Jody get stuffed and pushed back every time.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: The YO Show on January 09, 2016, 01:37:43 PM
Paladin, what about  Billy-Nicoe Hurst getting recruited? Seems like a solid get at DB so far.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on January 11, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
Yo -- he may work out but needs work and development  . Maybe a player at this   level and maybe not. Not a lock.

If they don't get down to Florida and sign some kids, this class will be questionable.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysubigred on January 11, 2016, 03:08:31 PM
Yo -- he may work out but needs work and development  . Maybe a player at this   level and maybe not. Not a lock.

If they don't get down to Florida and sign some kids, this class will be questionable.

 :o Why Florida? YSU already has 13 FL kids on the roster all return next year! NDSU has 6,,, Maybe the right answer for a great recruiting class is Minnesota  ::)
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 11, 2016, 10:13:45 PM
Yo -- he may work out but needs work and development  . Maybe a player at this   level and maybe not. Not a lock.

If they don't get down to Florida and sign some kids, this class will be questionable.

All those athletes that Wolf got out of Florida really worked out the last couple years, huh?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 12, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
London Pearson has committed to YSU.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on January 12, 2016, 01:04:55 PM
And how MANY of those kids START over local or Ohio or Pa players  ? Wolf won 8 games with those players and had increasing wins over the years.  Bo had 5 and a losing record. Hello ? I'm already on record in saying that Bo's first recruiting class was a stinker. Another, and I assure you, the program sinks, just as it did with  Heacock who recruited  poorly. Ohio is over-recruited. So is Pa.  Both are well picked over. Florida has an overflow of athletes among the tops in the nation. If you expect Bo to recruit locally and win you are sadly going to be disappointed royally. The Ytown area really sucked this year and wasn't much better last year.  Jucos and transfers may   be  the only way to avoid a huge   hole in the program.  We will revisit this when the NLOID are announced.

Its funny how some of you call yourselves fans and promote  this crap, expecting the program to improve. Clueless you are.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 12, 2016, 06:09:23 PM
Ruiz? Jameel Smith? Can't name any others besides them... How can you knock Bo for his record year 1? Or any coach for that matter. You always have to take the first 2 years with a grain salt until the head coach gets his coaches, players and style of play ingrained in the program. I agree with you the better athletes are down in FL, but at this level of football, you don't need as many athletes as you do "football" players. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on January 12, 2016, 08:07:44 PM
And how MANY of those kids START over local or Ohio or Pa players  ? Wolf won 8 games with those players and had increasing wins over the years.  Bo had 5 and a losing record. Hello ? I'm already on record in saying that Bo's first recruiting class was a stinker. Another, and I assure you, the program sinks, just as it did with  Heacock who recruited  poorly. Ohio is over-recruited. So is Pa.  Both are well picked over. Florida has an overflow of athletes among the tops in the nation. If you expect Bo to recruit locally and win you are sadly going to be disappointed royally. The Ytown area really sucked this year and wasn't much better last year.  Jucos and transfers may   be  the only way to avoid a huge   hole in the program.  We will revisit this when the NLOID are announced.

Its funny how some of you call yourselves fans and promote  this crap, expecting the program to improve. Clueless you are.

Tell us something that we did not figure out back in 2005. Mr. football-101. You have a knack for always stating the obvious, telling sus that we do not agree & then telling us that you were right.
FYI Ohio and PA have lots of talent. Youngstown HS scene does not.

Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 13, 2016, 12:04:21 PM
Paladin, you've lost me.  Are you saying we can't win if we don't have more players from FL on our roster?  Seriously, even you don't actually believe that, do you?  There are quality players in every state, and I'll bet with some time I could pick a roster of players from any of maybe 45 states that could win a national title.  Certainly Ohio and PA produce enough players if you get your pick.   You don’t “need” any Florida players.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on January 13, 2016, 01:23:12 PM
IF Bo goes without Fla. players, I'll be issuing the warning that the losing seasons are about to start. Certainly you don't "need" all Fla. players. But you "do" need  them. Ohio  is well picked over and most of the players that are FCS types go to the MAC. Pa is similar with many W. Pa players going MAC.

The Youngstown days are over.  The "Metro" area is down to under 600k now, multiple sports have taken out some athletes, the competitive level is down with much smaller schools  dominating as the  larger  schools have dropped enrollment and what talent is left is dominated by D-III- II types. D-Is   are few with fewer going big major and most going MAC type programs.  Most players weren't even born when YSU was  in their  heyday. Few area players now make much impact at YSU.

Make no mistake, I doubt Bo's recruiting ability and said so when he was hired. His first class here was a stinker. The next one will set the tone for immediately down the road. From my view, only Jucos and transfers will save him  now.  Or Fla players.

We'll see
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 13, 2016, 02:01:36 PM
I took a good look at the best team ever to pay FCS football and you know what I see?  TONS of players from Minn.  Yes a couple from FL (2) but mostly MINN.  Using your logic, I believe we should abandon our current recruiting efforts and concentrate on Minn. and secondly Wis. because that's where the best 1AA players are from! 
Paladin, you write this stuff like it is known fact and it simply isn't fact. 
"The Youngstown days are over” What does that mean, no good players will ever come from YO again?  Seriously? 
"The "Metro" area is down to under 600k now,"  WHAT???  What metro area is 600K, Cleveland?  CERTAINLY not Youngstown and it never was anything close to that.  Just more made up crap.

"Most players weren't even born when YSU was in their heyday"
Well NDSU was nobody when every single player they have was growing up.  You can build a program that doesn't rely on past history.  Look at App. State a few years ago, nowhere to greatness in 2 years.  While this comment of yours is technically correct it is total irrelevant.
IMO your blanket statements like “MAC type programs” etc. are inane comments.  Meant to confuse and distract from the nonessential content of your post.
“We’ll see”
At least you end with a statement that we all can agree on!  Yes we will.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on January 13, 2016, 03:30:25 PM
The "Metro" area is a commercial designation for Trumbull, Mahoning, Columbiana and Mercer Counties ( the Valley) for investment/commercial purposes and used to be well over 700k at one time.

Don't have a stroke ;D
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on January 13, 2016, 04:04:02 PM
FL is a much more populous state than Ohio, and has one less FBS program than Ohio....and HS FB is big here.  Makes sense it is ripe for recruitment.

Look at this map of FBS schools:

http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?/topic/48684-nice-fbs-map/

Look at how empty the entire Dakota region is, and how NDSU has no FBS schools to compete with.  Sure MN and NE take the top talent, but the G5 competition is nonexistent.

UNI and USD just joined NDSU in offering FCOA schollies (Liberty also does FWIW).  The MAC offers FCOA.  I don't see how we elevate the program to a top FCS program again without also offering it for FB, like we do for MBB and WBB.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on January 13, 2016, 10:09:56 PM
Pally doubts Pelini's recruiting ability. I checked the past 6 or 7 yrs there was like 20 players or more that were drafted in the NFL under his watch at Nebraska a bunch are playing.  So you are full of sh**.  You are a wanna be and a hater.  Pelini admitted that last year class was trying to address depth issues.  Your guy Wolford recruited a lot of pretenders but you like a lot of his recruits and I remember you saying years ago that Hess wouldn't be that good of a QB.  Every town has a village idiot and I am starting to think your our boards idiot. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 14, 2016, 09:24:22 AM
The "Metro" area is a commercial designation for Trumbull, Mahoning, Columbiana and Mercer Counties ( the Valley) for investment/commercial purposes and used to be well over 700k at one time.

Don't have a stroke ;D
Football players are recruited one at a time, so some idiotic "metro" population of >700K or <600K doesn't mean a damn thing.  If there is a good player at say West Branch, you recruit him, and what the hell does the population of Youngstown have to whether or not you want to offer the kid from West Branch?  All this pseudo intellectual bullsh** of yours is tiring.  "MAC type programs" and "metro populations" doesn't mean squat. 
You try to make is sound like coaching is easy and that recruiting is a science.  Just go to FL and sign a bunch of good players.  It isn’t easy to find, evaluate, recruit, and sign, than train, coach, and lead 60-80 college kids to a successful season.  Thank God we have a seasoned professional heading our program and not somebody who thinks like you!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on January 14, 2016, 10:10:21 PM
The "Metro" area is a commercial designation for Trumbull, Mahoning, Columbiana and Mercer Counties ( the Valley) for investment/commercial purposes and used to be well over 700k at one time.

Don't have a stroke ;D

Don't forget Lawrence.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: The YO Show on January 14, 2016, 10:38:59 PM
Can't wait to see the class we get on national signing day! Its only 20 days away. Too bad I will be working a 12 hour shift that day and won't find out the news till later  :-[
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 15, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
Too bad I will be working a 12 hour shift that day and won't find out the news till later  :-[

Not to worry about your work schedule.  Every class looks good on NSD, but the proof won't be for about 2 years.  With red-shirts etc. even the 1st year doesn’t mean much.  All these recruits that come in 6-2 210# LB's grow to 225# freshmen and 235# sophs don't really contribute for a couple years.   
Look at Shereif Bynum.  6-4 210 DL recruit from last year, was listed as a 235# freshman DL in 2015.  I don’t know this kid at all, and I don’t even know if he’s still with the program, but it will take him until at least his soph. year and 245# if he is ever going to contribute. 
Yes, there are Armand Dellovade’s that contribute right away, but not that many overall.  The guys like Paladin that write off a class as a bust after the freshman year, (mostly because not enough FL guys) don’t know what they are talking about.  These are kids and it takes most of them some time to develop.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on January 15, 2016, 04:44:34 PM
As I mentioned once before, we are going to have to recruit local. Everyone knows that it will be at an expense to us. However, C & B grade players can eventually become B & A players from the area. We just have to commit to it.

Think about back when there was less media coverage for YSU, we all said that local media had to view YSU sports coverage as a public service. The same applies to these early recruiting years.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: The YO Show on January 16, 2016, 12:45:43 PM
Too bad I will be working a 12 hour shift that day and won't find out the news till later  :-[

Not to worry about your work schedule.  Every class looks good on NSD, but the proof won't be for about 2 years.  With red-shirts etc. even the 1st year doesn’t mean much.  All these recruits that come in 6-2 210# LB's grow to 225# freshmen and 235# sophs don't really contribute for a couple years.   
Look at Shereif Bynum.  6-4 210 DL recruit from last year, was listed as a 235# freshman DL in 2015.  I don’t know this kid at all, and I don’t even know if he’s still with the program, but it will take him until at least his soph. year and 245# if he is ever going to contribute. 
Yes, there are Armand Dellovade’s that contribute right away, but not that many overall.  The guys like Paladin that write off a class as a bust after the freshman year, (mostly because not enough FL guys) don’t know what they are talking about.  These are kids and it takes most of them some time to develop.

I recognize that. But it is nice to see the students that sign anyway. I get excited about that stuff. Pretty much anything related to YSU football. Its like a little shot in the arm to keep me going till the camps and fall  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ValleyTalk on January 16, 2016, 04:14:19 PM
@coachmcnutt: WE JUST GOT BETTER!!!
GAME CHANGERS ARE IN THE BUILDING... JOINING THE ICE CASTLE!
#CodeRed #TheNextIsIn #YSUNext16
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: DoubleE on January 16, 2016, 05:17:05 PM
@coachmcnutt: WE JUST GOT BETTER!!!
GAME CHANGERS ARE IN THE BUILDING... JOINING THE ICE CASTLE!
#CodeRed #TheNextIsIn #YSUNext16

who was making recruiting visit this weekend ?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 17, 2016, 09:45:43 AM
Cameron Mackey from North Marion High School (FL) has committed. Had offers from Cincy, Kent State, UAB and South Alabama. Speedster athlete.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on January 17, 2016, 11:36:08 AM
Cameron Mackey from North Marion High School (FL) has committed. Had offers from Cincy, Kent State, UAB and South Alabama. Speedster athlete.

Nice  8)
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: DoubleE on January 17, 2016, 07:43:18 PM
per scout he is a 5-8 160lb wr whom is a no star recruit

sounds like stubbs replacement to me
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 18, 2016, 09:32:48 AM
per scout he is a 5-8 160lb wr whom is a no star recruit

sounds like stubbs replacement to me
A couple of points:
1. We NEED a replacement for Andre
2. watch the attached HUDL video and note how many of his pass catches are across the middle.
3. watch how many of his runs are up the middle
4. watch how many of his cuts are inside vs outside.
Stubbs was valuable, but not much of a threat between the hash marks.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/5568790/highlights/163429376/v2
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 18, 2016, 09:39:50 AM
And I forgot the most important point!!
Paladin gets another FL player!!  Now that's a big deal.  Let's keep Paladin less unhappy!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Double ET on January 18, 2016, 09:03:14 PM
Vindicator had an article/interview with the newly signed QB, Trent Hosick. See links below:

https://shar.es/1hHhkj

Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysuseasonticket on January 19, 2016, 01:25:58 PM
Vindicator had an article/interview with the newly signed QB, Trent Hosick. See links below:

https://shar.es/1hHhkj

I read that article yesterday and honestly saying it's getting my hopes up. They have to work on his passing game, that's quite obvious, but I'm liking what I read.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 19, 2016, 02:33:32 PM
As hard as this is to believe (NOT) the Vindy site is down! 
If anybody has this in text, can you post?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Double ET on January 19, 2016, 03:50:10 PM
As hard as this is to believe (NOT) the Vindy site is down! 
If anybody has this in text, can you post?

Here it is:

Former Missouri recruit a dual-threat quarterback
By STEVE WILAJ

swilaj@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

Really, there’s only one way – one simple sentence – for how Trent Hosick can describe his journey over the last three years of going from a highly touted, nationally sought-after high school quarterback in 2013 to the newest (and possibly next starting) Youngstown State signal-caller in 2016.

“It’s been a crazy journey,” Hosick recently told The Vindicator — emphasis on “crazy.”

On Jan. 6, the Penguins announced the signing of the former Arizona Western College – and originally University of Missouri – quarterback. The Springfield, Mo., native began classes at YSU last week with the start of the spring semester greeted by heavy snow, of course.

“The plan is to win a national championship,” said Hosick, who will be a redshirt junior this fall. “If there’s any other expectations, I wouldn’t have even considered it. But Coach [Bo] Pelini shares my passion for winning and I absolutely love that about him.

“So I’m really looking forward to my time here and – as soon as I get acclimated to the weather – I think I’m gonna enjoy myself thoroughly.”

Now, there’s no guarantee Hosick will be under center when the Penguins host Robert Morris on Sept. 1 to begin their 2016 season. YSU returns two-year junior starting QB Hunter Wells, as well as junior backup Ricky Davis.

But after a 2015 season in which pocket-passer Wells was just average and running-threat Davis only showed flashes, it appears a quarterback competition is in the making – especially with the dual-threat Hosick in the fold – when YSU begins spring practices in a few months.

“We talked about it in my recruiting,” Hosick said. “Basically, my focus is just to hone my skills as a quarterback and make sure that – if I’m chosen to be the guy – that I’m as ready as I can possibly be.”

It’s yet another challenge for the 6-foot-1, 225-pound right-hander who has faced many since coming out of Staley High School in 2013 rated as the 19th-best QB in the nation by Rivals.com.

Hosick’s journey included committing to and then transferring from Missouri, joining Arizona Western in 2014 and playing extremely well, committing to BYU before backing out to play another year with the Matadors and then suffering two brutal injuries this past season. The injuries devastated his recruiting stock, although he’s healthy now.

Hosick – a devout Christian – is no stranger to obstacles.

Here’s what he said he brings to YSU: “One of the things that makes me a little different is my personality. I have an unwavering desire to win – that’s the most important thing to me. People have always told me to just have fun playing football, but I’ve always found that winning is fun and losing is not. So I train and play and live in such a way that everything that I do is geared towards winning.

“And I feel like a can make all the throws that the coaches are gonna ask of me. As far as my athleticism goes, I can make plays when they break down, extend plays with my feet, take off and get first downs. But ultimately as a quarterback, it’s your job to facilitate drives and score. By whatever means necessary, I plan on doing that.”

Originally, Hosick figured he’d be doing those things for a BCS Championship-contending Missouri team.

After receiving 21 FBS offers in high school (including Arkansas, Baylor, Iowa and Iowa State), he committed to the Tigers early in the recruiting process. However, just five days before Signing Day, offensive coordinator and QB coach David Yost – the main reason he chose Missouri – resigned.

Fighting the urge to de-commit and go elsewhere, Hosick still signed with Missouri to stay loyal to his word. But he didn’t mesh with the new position coach during his 2013 redshirt freshman season and decided to transfer after 18 months.

“We didn’t fight or I didn’t get in trouble – I had a 4.0 GPA going,” Hosick said. “I just chose to leave because I wanted to play for someone who is like-minded.”

Upon leaving Missouri, Hosick – not wanting to sit out another season because of the transfer requirements – spurned FBS offers and joined junior college Arizona Western. He arrived late in the 2014 season, but was inserted as the starting QB in Week 6 and promptly guided the Matadors to a 7-0 record as he passed for 1,241 yards and 12 TDs and rushed for 628 yards and 11 TDs.

The strong showing drew interest from Ole Miss, which Hosick nearly joined prior to the 2015 season before the Rebels received a commit from Chad Kelly. He also was pursued by Maryland, San Diego State and BYU, verbally committing to the latter before deciding to return to Arizona Western for 2015.

“I was chasing the dream of playing for a school that I felt had a chance to win the BCS National Championship – that’s always been my dream,” Hosick said. “I didn’t feel at peace with going to any of those schools. So I felt that if I went back to Arizona Western for another season and played well again, it would help my recruiting. And it started out great.”

Prior to this past season, Hosick was ranked as the top JC quarterback, named a preseason first-team all-American and was in talks with some of the nation’s top football schools. But he suffered a cracked rib in a Week 1 win and a broken ankle in a Week 2 loss, before losing in Week 3 while attempting to play through the injuries and sitting out for the next eight weeks.

He returned on Nov. 7 for Arizona Western’s playoff finale and threw for 256 yards and three TDs and rushed for more than 100 yards in a victory. He then guided the Matadors to an upset win in their bowl game to end his JC career.

“I ended the season well, but being injured really, really hurt my recruiting,” said Hosick, who finished 2015 with 787 passing yards, six TDs, six interceptions and 216 rushing yards. “No big schools came through with offers. You can’t really blame them, but at the same time, it was really disappointing.

“So when I finally got a call from Youngstown State – considering my dream of playing for a BCS championship – it was kind of tough to come to grips with going to a D I-AA school. But when I found out Coach Pelini was the head coach here, that was a big factor for me.”

Hosick almost joined Pelini at Nebraska in 2013.

After getting an “unofficial offer” from the Cornhuskers, Johnny Stanton committed to Nebraska at the last second, which caused Nebraska to not offer Hosick. Still, he never forgot his interactions with the fiery head coach.

“My dad [Tom] always told me I’d be a good fit for Coach Pelini because of the passion that I play with and he’s a passionate coach,” Hosick said.

Three years later and an unpredictable ride in between, yes, the two are indeed a match.

Pelini and Penguins offensive coordinator Shane Montgomery visited Hosick in Arizona on Dec. 7. Hosick then visited YSU on Dec. 19 before accepting its offer. He was also talking to Virginia (where a majority of BYU’s former coaching staff recently relocated to), Central Florida and Southern Illinois, while Charleston Southern had already offered.

But the next stop for Hosick’s roller-coaster ride is in Youngstown. And injuries in the past – he’s “full-go” and training every day – he simply wants to return the favor to YSU.

“They did their part,” Hosick said. “They recruited me and made me feel special and now it’s my time to reward them. It’s my time to go to work for them and go win a championship for them. That’s exactly what I intend to do.”
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 20, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
Thanks ET!
Says all the right things, that's for sure.  Now if he can run and throw like he did in JC all will be good!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: guins4dayz on January 24, 2016, 03:02:36 PM
Pally doubts Pelini's recruiting ability. I checked the past 6 or 7 yrs there was like 20 players or more that were drafted in the NFL under his watch at Nebraska a bunch are playing.  So you are full of sh**.  You are a wanna be and a hater.  Pelini admitted that last year class was trying to address depth issues.  Your guy Wolford recruited a lot of pretenders but you like a lot of his recruits and I remember you saying years ago that Hess wouldn't be that good of a QB.  Every town has a village idiot and I am starting to think your our boards idiot.

You're saying in 7 years he recruited 20 players that were drafted? You realize you are talking about a Nebraska school that has the longest streak of players drafted and if it wasn't for their Jr's leaving this year (Maliek Collins specifically) that they would likely lose that streak?  How is that for Pelini recruiting?

08 class
Will Compton
Alfonzo Dennard

09 class
Rex Burkhead
Dejon Gomes (JUCO)

10 class
Kenny Bell
Lavonte David (JUCO)
Quincy Enunwa
Stanley Jean Baptiste (JUCO)

11 class
Ameer Abdullah
Damion Stafford (JUCO)

12 class
Vincent Valentine (POSSIBLY)

13 class
Maliek Collins (will be)

The 2010 class was by far the best AND it was coming off the season where they lost to UT (MNC participant) in the Big 12 Championship and had Suh, one of the best college players ever, something he never capitalized into a great DT recruit.

So I go through and count 11.  You cannot count players like Suh that Pelini never recruited because your point was recruiting.  He did not recruit them.  Pelini's classes at NU were full of low hanging fruit and picking off MAC talent and sprinkling in the occasional talent.

So you can live in the world where you think Pelini is a great recruiter because he came from Nebraska, but you aren't being honest with yourself.  I would love for you to go find the proof that Pelini is a good recruiter, because there are plenty of results to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on January 24, 2016, 04:19:01 PM
I stand by what I said.  His recruiting classes were between 15 on one site to a high of 30. State of Nebraska for one is in the bottom for producing D1 talent.  Nebraska is not a prime destination for any 5 star recruit.  So your comment that he was recruiting MAC or less talent was pretty much a typical hater comment.  If that was true, did he not get them to 2 Big 10 Championship games and average 9 wins per a year.  Sounds to me they guy can coach up his players.  Look what has been going on at Nebraska since Osborne left, nothing.  Pelini recruited pretty good at a 4th or 5th choice D1 program. It's no OSU.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on January 26, 2016, 03:13:33 AM
Nate Needham K/P from Indiana has committed to the penguins. Looks like the kickoff specialist and punter we so desperately need.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: MrGuin on January 26, 2016, 03:16:46 AM
New Specialist just committed, Nate Needham, highly rated from Indiana. Will most likely be the new punter next season. He is also very talented kicker just in case Kennedy has the dreaded Sophomore slump.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on January 26, 2016, 08:54:10 AM
New Specialist just committed, Nate Needham, highly rated from Indiana. Will most likely be the new punter next season. He is also very talented kicker just in case Kennedy has the dreaded Sophomore slump.
Yes we could use better punting, but it's the kickoffs that were abysmal.  Love Kennedy, but raw leg strength isn’t enough and McFadden was worse.   This signing will never show in stats, but could be big help.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: guinpen on January 26, 2016, 06:55:08 PM
New Specialist just committed, Nate Needham, highly rated from Indiana. Will most likely be the new punter next season. He is also very talented kicker just in case Kennedy has the dreaded Sophomore slump.
Yes we could use better punting, but it's the kickoffs that were abysmal.  Love Kennedy, but raw leg strength isn’t enough and McFadden was worse.   This signing will never show in stats, but could be big help.

I agree, I want EVERY kickoff into the end-zone.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 30, 2016, 07:35:18 PM
Devon McNutt, coach's son who played at Mooney this past year has committed to YSU.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on January 31, 2016, 05:39:17 PM
Darius Hall, a 5-11 DB from Campbell High School in Smyrna, GA has committed.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 01, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
Farrell (PA) standout LB Malachi Newell has committed to YSU.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 01, 2016, 01:54:56 PM
Norman Fox, a 6-5, 270 OL from Garfield Heights has committed to YSU.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 01, 2016, 04:26:24 PM
Needs to improve. Its pretty bad so far. In fact............ awful
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 01, 2016, 05:13:35 PM
- If this Hall is a real 4.4 & 5'11" I am screaming with joy. imagine the coverage and punt-blocking capabilities of this guy!

- Malachi Newell was player-of-game (overall and/or defense) in 10 of 16 games this past year. This is on a team that played for the state title. I don't care who you play, that kid is a stud and/or a great worker. on max preps he is well above the national average in all 9 categories measured. He is ranked the 49th-best player in PA ...ranked #27 on defense, 218 tackles in this year alone ...Paladin? I might add this kid (respect them or not) was ranked as thew #1 defensive 1a player in the state by PFN. If this kid played for a AAA squad, he would be writing his own ticket. This is some good recruiting.

Fox is not award-winning, but he plays in a tough conference and performed well. If he is "coachable", I like him, but I show him accepting an offer from St. Francis.

McNutt will play like we expect him to.

Let's just wait and see.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 01, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Dalton Miller, ATH from Columbiana has committed as a preferred walk on.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 01, 2016, 08:54:18 PM
Giacamo Cappabianca, OL/DT from Ursuline has committed.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 01, 2016, 09:54:24 PM
Giacamo Cappabianca, OL/DT from Ursuline has committed.


Nice pick up here as well. Consistent performer, 1st-team all state. At 265lbs, we can fatten him up to OL.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ValleyTalk on February 01, 2016, 10:44:53 PM
Giacamo Cappabianca, OL/DT from Ursuline has committed.


Nice pick up here as well. Consistent performer, 1st-team all state. At 265lbs, we can fatten him up to OL.
Four year starter that has had his share of injuries over the past four years. A great kid that has wanted to play for YSU. Congrats Moe!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 02, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Absolutely stunning !!. I'll have a full report. The ghost of Jon Heacock has just resurfaced.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 02, 2016, 04:30:24 PM
Dominic Pegley, a 6-2 WR from Akron Coventry has committed.

Also, we have 2 walk on commitments:

David McDowell, DE- Mooney
Nicholas Maxin, OL- Mooney

Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 02, 2016, 05:01:23 PM
Be interested to here what coach P says about Pegley. Has very good YPC & some moves, but slow and not overly tall.

I did just see two films on him. I will say this ...good hands and a nice eye for the ball. Works well in double-coverage. Plays much taller than he is. Could be something there.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytowngirl on February 02, 2016, 05:39:34 PM
My brother at Boardman said Wes Thompson is committing to YSU.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 02, 2016, 06:21:01 PM
My brother at Boardman said Wes Thompson is committing to YSU.

Yes, he will be a walk-on.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: DoubleE on February 02, 2016, 08:44:14 PM
appears class is small is scholarship players, i wonder if this means a large amount of transfers ?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 02, 2016, 09:07:40 PM
I do know of a possible transfer WR coming. Will wait for conformation tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Blo Pelini on February 02, 2016, 09:32:04 PM
Does anyone have a scholarship distribution chart showing each class and scholarships by position?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: penguinpower on February 03, 2016, 06:51:07 AM
appears class is small is scholarship players, i wonder if this means a large amount of transfers ?

Great observation.  I believe that he is acting different than Wolford when it comes to adding his own players.  Ot appear that he is allowing natural attrition to take place vs forcing it.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 03, 2016, 07:49:15 AM
We did have a very small senior class last year:

Tre Moore SS
Andre Stubbs  WR
Demont Hymes TB
Durden corner
Dubem Nwadiogbu LB
Terrell Williams DE
Andrew Williams WR
Kintrell Disher WR
Steve Zaborsky DT

Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 03, 2016, 10:07:00 AM
Just got a big announcement. 6-3 DE Jamal Smith out of American high school in FL has committed!

Had previously committed to (UCF) Central Florida and had offers from Oregon State, USF, Bowling Green, NC State, Kentucky and Pitt.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Cimo7 on February 03, 2016, 02:11:46 PM
Just got a big announcement. 6-3 DE Jamal Smith out of American high school in FL has committed!

Had previously committed to (UCF) Central Florida and had offers from Oregon State, USF, Bowling Green, NC State, Kentucky and Pitt.


Wow that is a big signing. Think he is a three star. Him and Hosick have to be the two biggest commits this year I would assume.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HLecter on February 04, 2016, 10:15:29 AM
My brother at Boardman said Wes Thompson is committing to YSU.

Yes, he will be a walk-on.

I follow Boardman Wrestling (grandson)  Wes Thompson joined for the first time this year and has been very impressive for a first year guy.  Really athletic, really strong and a somewhat cut body for a 275 pounder.  Legs are huge (think Earl Campbell huge), good motor in football.  Saw him play football a couple games --  I made comment after watching him that if he were 6' 3" or 6' 4" he would be recruited at MAC level or just above.   If YSU still uses Nose Tackle he would be perfect fit eventually.

One further comment --  Bo CAN recruit, put me on his side.

2nd further comment --  YSU needs to get the damn kick-offs into the end zone!  Hope the new kid can do it.  That is so important.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 04, 2016, 02:16:45 PM
Hate to burst your balloon ,HLecter, but Bo can't recruit. Second straight weak class. That puts dark clouds on the horizon. Things do not look good for YSU.

My picks for the class are the Juco Center  and Smith from Fla.   The Juco QB may work out but I don't see a star. The rest are either undersized, lack talent for this level, or nepotism . Hosick might work out  as he has running skills but a questionable arm strength or accuracy. He should start.  However, this creates a HUGE hole in the program at QB as YSU will have one Sr. & 3 Jrs. at the position. The current Fr. will not play here.  No future starter , no backups. Something smells with  Smith. He had  committed to his choice of schools ( UCF) and had other offers from FBS schools, yet went FCS ( YSU). On film , he appears to be a D-I project -- strong upper body, but no techniques. Overwhelms high school Harrys but will face bigger, stronger , quicker players who will have techniques. They have four years to work with him, but it bothers me why he passed over lots of FBS schools to come here. There may be some problems. No one wanted the coaches kids but I would put them at D-II talent. Then there are some who earned no post season honors or few of them. Never a good sign and confirmed with film. The small class means the errors will be magnified.

Of course the cheerleaders here will blow this off.  Remember, I told you in advance that YSU was going down under Heacock because of bad recruiting . You do remember what happened ? I've made a number of predictions here ( most have   been true) that got blown off only to see them come true. Heck, the coaches just rushed out to show my prediction that the current QB would never start for 4 years by bringing in a new starter.

Besides having a foul mouth HC who has anger issues , he took a loaded team with most players back to a losing season ( 5-6) when   they should have matched the previous 8-3 ( no less 7-4) . Coaching seems to be an issue and now, his recruiting is confirmed. Poor.

So, now I'm on the record again. Grab some popcorn and sit back. Make sure you hype the program. Its always gives it a stunning effect when the bottom falls out. Just don't be surprised.

You heard it here first.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytowngirl on February 04, 2016, 07:40:16 PM
My brother at Boardman said Wes Thompson is committing to YSU.

Yes, he will be a walk-on.

I follow Boardman Wrestling (grandson)  Wes Thompson joined for the first time this year and has been very impressive for a first year guy.  Really athletic, really strong and a somewhat cut body for a 275 pounder.  Legs are huge (think Earl Campbell huge), good motor in football.  Saw him play football a couple games --  I made comment after watching him that if he were 6' 3" or 6' 4" he would be recruited at MAC level or just above.   If YSU still uses Nose Tackle he would be perfect fit eventually.

One further comment --  Bo CAN recruit, put me on his side.

2nd further comment --  YSU needs to get the damn kick-offs into the end zone!  Hope the new kid can do it.  That is so important.

He's a strong kid, broke all Boardman lifting records.  Lets hope he can work out.  I think your right if he was a few inches taller he'd be D1. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 04, 2016, 09:57:19 PM
Hate to burst your balloon ,HLecter, but Bo can't recruit. Second straight weak class. That puts dark clouds on the horizon. Things do not look good for YSU.

My picks for the class are the Juco Center  and Smith from Fla.   The Juco QB may work out but I don't see a star. The rest are either undersized, lack talent for this level, or nepotism . Hosick might work out  as he has running skills but a questionable arm strength or accuracy. He should start.  However, this creates a HUGE hole in the program at QB as YSU will have one Sr. & 3 Jrs. at the position. The current Fr. will not play here.  No future starter , no backups. Something smells with  Smith. He had  committed to his choice of schools ( UCF) and had other offers from FBS schools, yet went FCS ( YSU). On film , he appears to be a D-I project -- strong upper body, but no techniques. Overwhelms high school Harrys but will face bigger, stronger , quicker players who will have techniques. They have four years to work with him, but it bothers me why he passed over lots of FBS schools to come here. There may be some problems. No one wanted the coaches kids but I would put them at D-II talent. Then there are some who earned no post season honors or few of them. Never a good sign and confirmed with film. The small class means the errors will be magnified.

Of course the cheerleaders here will blow this off.  Remember, I told you in advance that YSU was going down under Heacock because of bad recruiting . You do remember what happened ? I've made a number of predictions here ( most have   been true) that got blown off only to see them come true. Heck, the coaches just rushed out to show my prediction that the current QB would never start for 4 years by bringing in a new starter.

Besides having a foul mouth HC who has anger issues , he took a loaded team with most players back to a losing season ( 5-6) when   they should have matched the previous 8-3 ( no less 7-4) . Coaching seems to be an issue and now, his recruiting is confirmed. Poor.

So, now I'm on the record again. Grab some popcorn and sit back. Make sure you hype the program. Its always gives it a stunning effect when the bottom falls out. Just don't be surprised.

You heard it here first.

Do you think anyone listens to you anymore? You were on record every year as the most negative nilly I ever saw. As to Bo, I will state it again for the 100th time ...he is the best recruiting hire in the history of I-AA/FCS. He has set a standard here that is going to make it very hard for the administration to ever replace him and any administration in the division as well. I care less how good of a coach he is. I sit 25 feet from him and here every word, so you are certainly not telling us anything we do not already know.

Also, would you please post these supposedly poor recruiting classes of Heacock's, because I don't think Tressel ever had a class reasonably close to some of Heacock's. Heck Narduzzi's last two classes have yet to be equaled by anyone but possibly Heacock.

Then your "leaves a hole" theory ...LOL. Buddy this is college ball, this happens at every position. We only have 63 scholarships. Also, Mays is a good QB, but I guess you never went to any practices or the spring game or you would see that. He fits Montgomery's system well, which is why we offered him as a junior. Your Well's prediction? Obviously you never watched a game his frosh year or you would have been as high as everyone else was.

So we all know you hate everything about YSU, so why bother? Yet you will continue to predict doom n gloom and then pat yourself on the back
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: penguinpower on February 05, 2016, 04:21:40 AM
So revealing what Pelini says at the end about people in Youngstown. He is spot on.  The morons that think Kemt and Akron etc have better football because they are FBS.  We would take them to the woodshed.  Idiots don't realize the level of competition, bit nationwide they do.  How far the community knowledge base has slipped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRfX6hpXODQ
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 05, 2016, 09:21:08 AM
Anybody see the comment Newell made on signing day during his interview? Said he committed based on the scheme and fit of the defense. We would have never heard those words under Wolford lol....

If these kids can develop, they can be special. That is Pelini's style, always has been. He never goes for the big shiny recruits that Wolford did. Pelini would rather take the under sized, hard nosed kid that works his butt off to become a starter. I can respect that, and frankly thats what you need at this level.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 05, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Like I have said repeatedly................... this is going to be a comedy. Sit back and enjoy.

No need to argue. What will be will be.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 05, 2016, 01:15:30 PM
So revealing what Pelini says at the end about people in Youngstown. He is spot on.  The morons that think Kemt and Akron etc have better football because they are FBS.  We would take them to the woodshed.  Idiots don't realize the level of competition, bit nationwide they do.  How far the community knowledge base has slipped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRfX6hpXODQ

Gotta get these guys on the schedule. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ysuseasonticket on February 05, 2016, 01:35:27 PM
Anybody see the comment Newell made on signing day during his interview? Said he committed based on the scheme and fit of the defense. We would have never heard those words under Wolford lol....

I was pleasantly surprised we got this young man.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 06, 2016, 01:11:09 PM
So revealing what Pelini says at the end about people in Youngstown. He is spot on.  The morons that think Kemt and Akron etc have better football because they are FBS.  We would take them to the woodshed.  Idiots don't realize the level of competition, bit nationwide they do.  How far the community knowledge base has slipped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRfX6hpXODQ

Gotta get these guys on the schedule.

No return game ...we don't need them. Sorry but I am not going to play MAC games without a return. I mean have a trophy game with both Akron and Kent and we cannot even get them to come here and play for it? Send your emails to the MVFC and the MAC ...get them to change their rules.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 07, 2016, 09:51:10 AM
SDSU is now the fourth MVFC team to announce offering FCOA schollies.  MAC offers them.  When will we?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 07, 2016, 09:55:24 AM
So revealing what Pelini says at the end about people in Youngstown. He is spot on.  The morons that think Kemt and Akron etc have better football because they are FBS.  We would take them to the woodshed.  Idiots don't realize the level of competition, bit nationwide they do.  How far the community knowledge base has slipped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRfX6hpXODQ

Gotta get these guys on the schedule.

No return game ...we don't need them. Sorry but I am not going to play MAC games without a return. I mean have a trophy game with both Akron and Kent and we cannot even get them to come here and play for it? Send your emails to the MVFC and the MAC ...get them to change their rules.

This subject has been debated to death.....so I won't rehash it....except to ask this.....right now every potential recruit has reason to believe Can't or Akron is an upgrade from YSU.....how do we decisively fix that?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 07, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
So revealing what Pelini says at the end about people in Youngstown. He is spot on.  The morons that think Kemt and Akron etc have better football because they are FBS.  We would take them to the woodshed.  Idiots don't realize the level of competition, bit nationwide they do.  How far the community knowledge base has slipped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRfX6hpXODQ

Gotta get these guys on the schedule.

No return game ...we don't need them. Sorry but I am not going to play MAC games without a return. I mean have a trophy game with both Akron and Kent and we cannot even get them to come here and play for it? Send your emails to the MVFC and the MAC ...get them to change their rules.

This subject has been debated to death.....so I won't rehash it....except to ask this.....right now every potential recruit has reason to believe Can't or Akron is an upgrade from YSU.....how do we decisively fix that?

You cannot. If we move to the same level as them, do you think we will be that much better (if at all)? We would be the same & probably split with them most often. Playing them at their house exclusively would give them the majority of the wins, which also would not prove anything.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 07, 2016, 10:54:10 AM
So revealing what Pelini says at the end about people in Youngstown. He is spot on.  The morons that think Kemt and Akron etc have better football because they are FBS.  We would take them to the woodshed.  Idiots don't realize the level of competition, bit nationwide they do.  How far the community knowledge base has slipped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRfX6hpXODQ

Gotta get these guys on the schedule.

No return game ...we don't need them. Sorry but I am not going to play MAC games without a return. I mean have a trophy game with both Akron and Kent and we cannot even get them to come here and play for it? Send your emails to the MVFC and the MAC ...get them to change their rules.

This subject has been debated to death.....so I won't rehash it....except to ask this.....right now every potential recruit has reason to believe Can't or Akron is an upgrade from YSU.....how do we decisively fix that?

You cannot. If we move to the same level as them, do you think we will be that much better (if at all)? We would be the same & probably split with them most often. Playing them at their house exclusively would give them the majority of the wins, which also would not prove anything.

We would crush can't on any field.  Look at the final Sagarin ratings...and how much lower Can't is rated than YSU:

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Can't BTW is paying >$300K to FCS schools.

Akron has had an up year and barely outranks YSU.  We played Pitt closer at Heinz than they did at the Info.  This one is more of a challenge...and IMO would create tremendous hype...something the program needs.  I say we likely win at the Info...but if we lose we are no worse off.....except have a decent payday.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: DoubleE on February 07, 2016, 10:49:16 PM
Since YSU can no longer play B1G schools it leave Pitt, WV, Cincy, and Marshall as local money games

I foresee future MAC money games
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 07, 2016, 11:48:51 PM
So revealing what Pelini says at the end about people in Youngstown. He is spot on.  The morons that think Kemt and Akron etc have better football because they are FBS.  We would take them to the woodshed.  Idiots don't realize the level of competition, bit nationwide they do.  How far the community knowledge base has slipped.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRfX6hpXODQ

Gotta get these guys on the schedule.

No return game ...we don't need them. Sorry but I am not going to play MAC games without a return. I mean have a trophy game with both Akron and Kent and we cannot even get them to come here and play for it? Send your emails to the MVFC and the MAC ...get them to change their rules.

This subject has been debated to death.....so I won't rehash it....except to ask this.....right now every potential recruit has reason to believe Can't or Akron is an upgrade from YSU.....how do we decisively fix that?

You cannot. If we move to the same level as them, do you think we will be that much better (if at all)? We would be the same & probably split with them most often. Playing them at their house exclusively would give them the majority of the wins, which also would not prove anything.

We would crush can't on any field.  Look at the final Sagarin ratings...and how much lower Can't is rated than YSU:

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Can't BTW is paying >$300K to FCS schools.

Akron has had an up year and barely outranks YSU.  We played Pitt closer at Heinz than they did at the Info.  This one is more of a challenge...and IMO would create tremendous hype...something the program needs.  I say we likely win at the Info...but if we lose we are no worse off.....except have a decent payday.

Not true ...way too many egos in I-AA/FBS that live in their world of being the best football in the US. The truth is these guys always make fun of the MAC & a loss, especially to NE Ohio bottom-feeders, would be very hard to live down. Take Pitt as many times as they will play us. No expectation to win.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on February 08, 2016, 08:45:52 AM
Like I have said repeatedly...................

REPEATEDLY, boy, that's the truest thing you've ever said!  You want negative comments on YSU, your the man Palidin.  Must be really fun hoping the home team does poorly all the time.  Your boring and we don't care what you say or what you hopes for failure are. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 08, 2016, 01:30:08 PM
Saying its so doesn't make it so. Many times I project YSU with  a winning season, great   recruit classes , etc.   You simply choose to ignore those projections and  zero in on the ones where bad classes or poor seasons are on the horizons as I predicted.  The fact is, the cheerleaders won't be happy until everyone is singing the hymns, no matter the  expected outcomes. Put another way, you can't make a silk purse  out of a sow's ear.

A little history ( again) -- I read this board for years and never posted here. But after watching the great teams for years  in Penguins Club seats, I registered and came on board  when it became apparent that Heacock was recruiting poorly and said so.   Then the  the bottom fell out and Heacock kept losing worst each year  for a number of years.  But credit Paladin ?

Fast  forward and I projected improving , winning seasons under Wolf with highly rated  classes in the MVFC and they won, becoming playoff eligible ( but not selected). Each year they improved and got playoff eligible. But credit Paladin ?  Or note his good outlook ?  Nah !

Don't worry, it won't be long. just a couple of years as the first two poor Bo classes move up and Wolfs players graduate and you'll see  what happens.  BTW, I anticipate doing another review of MVFC recruiting   , but its looks so ugly now comparing YSU with the rest of the MVFC that i'M SURE YOU WON'T BE RECEPTIVE to the truth.

But , please , carry on with the hype job. I'm going to look good again !

Wait & see.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 08, 2016, 03:19:05 PM
Playoff eligible? Does going winless in November qualify as playoff eligible? All those "great" recruiting classes Wolford brought in, not too many of those guys worked out due to coaching... Sad. Onward to see what Pelini can do.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: penguinpower on February 08, 2016, 03:28:57 PM
Playoff eligible? Does going winless in November qualify as playoff eligible? All those "great" recruiting classes Wolford brought in, not too many of those guys worked out due to coaching... Sad. Onward to see what Pelini can do.

But actually you need to look at the big picture.  They let teams like Duquesne and Dayton into the playoffs only to get smashed and we spend WAAAAAAY more money on football than them,  We have a WAAAY better team then both of them and we prove it when we take them to the woodshed with complete and utter beat downs, yet they let those teams into the playoffs.  I don't think that it is fair to say if you get to the playoffs you are a good team or that you are even worthy.  It is politics and a joke.  Have them published the SRS or whatever the power ranking is for playoffs.  They did the first year and then took it down.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 08, 2016, 03:54:54 PM
Thanks for avoiding the obvious in refusing to note my comments about good teams and great  recruiting as I projected here. The cheerleaders here are scum. You are not interested in having great teams again. Just keep saying nice things about YSU no matter how bad the A.D., coach and athletic dept are. Just to hear nice things while it gets sh!t on record wise. Plant your head in the ground.  Pelini ?  LOL.  Took a loaded team I projected to win at least 7 games and make the playoffs and  had two  big transfers from Neb. he brought.  I had to eat crow after he proved how poor a coach he is and revise my projection before  the halfway point of the season to a 5-6 projection. Result ? 5-6 record. No playoffs.  Two straight terrible recruiting classes. I rank this class EIGHT in the  10 team MVFC recruiting derby. Last year was barely better.  And you expect "great" things to come with Bo ?

Good luck.

My good predictions will flow just as my bad  predictions will flow.  Thanks for proving my point.

And now, back to your pom-poms .
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 08, 2016, 05:16:09 PM
Thanks for avoiding the obvious in refusing to note my comments about good teams and great  recruiting as I projected here. The cheerleaders here are scum. You are not interested in having great teams again. Just keep saying nice things about YSU no matter how bad the A.D., coach and athletic dept are. Just to hear nice things while it gets sh!t on record wise. Plant your head in the ground.  Pelini ?  LOL.  Took a loaded team I projected to win at least 7 games and make the playoffs and  had two  big transfers from Neb. he brought.  I had to eat crow after he proved how poor a coach he is and revise my projection before  the halfway point of the season to a 5-6 projection. Result ? 5-6 record. No playoffs.  Two straight terrible recruiting classes. I rank this class EIGHT in the  10 team MVFC recruiting derby. Last year was barely better.  And you expect "great" things to come with Bo ?

Good luck.

My good predictions will flow just as my bad  predictions will flow.  Thanks for proving my point.

And now, back to your pom-poms .


Loaded team huh? Laughable lol. Wolford had talent from all these "great" recruiting classes you say he brought in. How'd that work out? ZERO playoff appearances. You rank this recruiting class 8 out of 10? Thanks for your opinion. You must be some kind of big football expert. Good to know.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 08, 2016, 05:17:04 PM
YSU has brought in a late signee.

Samuel St. Surin. 5-11 WR from Delray Beach, FL. Slot speedster.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 08, 2016, 06:35:25 PM
A well done Signing Day hype vid.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=roY594seZlk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 08, 2016, 09:05:42 PM
Saying its so doesn't make it so. Many times I project YSU with  a winning season, great   recruit classes , etc.   ...


LOL. I have been on this board longer than you and I have NEVER EVER EVER EVER once heard you udder a positive word about any YSU sport. At least one that was not blatantly back-loaded with negativism. You remind me of Rush Limbaugh ...say the same old stuff day after day, but only after you hear someone else mention it.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 09, 2016, 03:02:32 AM
You listen to Rush day after day after day?

For the record, Paladin's 2015 FB predictions were OVERLY OPTIMISTIC.

Eighth in recruiting in the SEC of the FCS... a conference that we had a losing record in in 2015.... Certainly seems plausible.

An incompetent AD.....your government boofing you in the arse.....I think there is some misplaced frustration here.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on February 09, 2016, 08:52:39 AM
Paladin predicted last year's team was "loaded"?  If that was a "loaded" team and I assume he meant in talent not booze, that's all that needs be said about his ability to evaluate talent.   Wolford was fired because in JT’s evaluation (and he DOES know football) he wasn’t building a winning program.  Can’t fix 4 years of bad football in a couple months, which is what Paladin expected. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 09, 2016, 01:29:17 PM
Hugs &  kisses
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on February 09, 2016, 01:47:58 PM
Last year's team should've been a 8 win team. Who other then me thinks the staff blew the Illinois St, NDS, and the Sourhern Illinois game? Yet Bo always wants to point the fingers at his players in his press conferences sighting cultural issues and his team inability to finish the 4th quarter. As far as recruiting goes it's always nice to land a 3 star recruit and players with multiple offers. Unfortunately the majority of last year's class and this year's class have players with zero 1AA offers..the proximity of this conference, a 5-6 record and the amount of FBS teams locally makes it a real uphill battle
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 09, 2016, 03:44:45 PM
My two cents...

The biggest mistake of the 2015 campaign was not starting Ricky Davis in the home game against Misery State.  Three things were clear at that point in the season:

a) We would win that game if Justin Beiber was our QB.
b) #pick 6 was not an MVFC QB, and it was time to end the experiment of having a statue with a low passing efficiency as QB who drops his knee before reaching the end zone.
c)  The season was still salvageable.

It's been said that the coaches knew what they were doing when they continued to start pick 6, but not everyone knows what they are doing.  To this day #12 has not a true on the field chance to demonstrate his abilities, and now prolly never will with Hosick joining the team.  I'd like to see the two QB system continue with Hosick and Davis...and for the love of god let Davis pass.

We lost the last two games after Misery State.  Insane.  You'd think after three straight October losses a personnel change would at least be tried. 
.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: OleYSUfan on February 09, 2016, 03:44:58 PM
We probably did well with our new recruits considering we are FCS/1AA football. In many eyes that's minor league!

In the past 15 years many colleges have jumped to FBS/1A why? Here is a partial list:

UFC            Middle Tenn           Ga. Southern           Old Dominion            W. Kentucky
Texas St     Charlotte                Arkansas St            Nevada                     UTex @ San Antonio
UConn        Troy St                   Marshall                 Florida Int.                Florida Atl
UMass         Georgia St             Appalachian St        Idaho                        South Ala.
USF

I believe N.Dakota St  will opt to move up soon.   
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 09, 2016, 03:53:35 PM
My two cents...

The biggest mistake of the 2015 campaign was not starting Ricky Davis in the home game against Misery State.  Three things were clear at that point in the season:

a) We would win that game if Justin Beiber was our QB.
b) #pick 6 was not an MVFC QB, and it was time to end the experiment of having a statue with a low passing efficiency as QB who drops his knee before reaching the end zone.
c)  The season was still salvageable.

It's been said that the coaches knew what they were doing when they continued to start pick 6, but not everyone knows what they are doing.  To this day #12 has not a true on the field chance to demonstrate his abilities, and now prolly never will with Hosick joining the team.  I'd like to see the two QB system continue with Hosick and Davis...and for the love of god let Davis pass.

We lost the last two games after Misery State.  Insane.  You'd think after three straight October losses a personnel change would at least be tried. 
.

And that falls on the OC who gets too much credit and not enough blame.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 09, 2016, 04:05:27 PM
My two cents...

The biggest mistake of the 2015 campaign was not starting Ricky Davis in the home game against Misery State.  Three things were clear at that point in the season:

a) We would win that game if Justin Beiber was our QB.
b) #pick 6 was not an MVFC QB, and it was time to end the experiment of having a statue with a low passing efficiency as QB who drops his knee before reaching the end zone.
c)  The season was still salvageable.

It's been said that the coaches knew what they were doing when they continued to start pick 6, but not everyone knows what they are doing.  To this day #12 has not a true on the field chance to demonstrate his abilities, and now prolly never will with Hosick joining the team.  I'd like to see the two QB system continue with Hosick and Davis...and for the love of god let Davis pass.

We lost the last two games after Misery State.  Insane.  You'd think after three straight October losses a personnel change would at least be tried. 
.

And that falls on the OC who gets too much credit and not enough blame.

I'm trying to understand why he's still OC here.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on February 09, 2016, 05:08:19 PM
I'm going to give Hosick the benefit of the doubt since he has yet to take a snap at YSU. He appears to be a great leader and a very good kid with a strong christian faith. The one thing I do know is teams need a strong passing game in this conference in order to win. Keep in mind Hosick had about a 50% completion rate and was picked off once in every 17 attempts against poor competition in the Juco ranks for his career. Wells on the other hand is about a 57% passer and throws about 1 interception in every 30+ attempts. It sounds like Bo is willing to give up success in the passing game for a quarterback who can run..be careful what you wish for, but I do like the fact competition was added at that position. Trent still has a steep learning curve ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 09, 2016, 05:57:18 PM
Will Mahone will be on the roster this year. Welcome!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on February 10, 2016, 08:17:55 AM
I'm going to give Hosick the benefit of the doubt since he has yet to take a snap at YSU. He appears to be a great leader and a very good kid with a strong christian faith. The one thing I do know is teams need a strong passing game in this conference in order to win. Keep in mind Hosick had about a 50% completion rate and was picked off once in every 17 attempts against poor competition in the Juco ranks for his career. Wells on the other hand is about a 57% passer and throws about 1 interception in every 30+ attempts. It sounds like Bo is willing to give up success in the passing game for a quarterback who can run..be careful what you wish for, but I do like the fact competition was added at that position. Trent still has a steep learning curve ahead of him.

This is where our O-Coordinator shows he is as good as advertized. He should be able to coach him up and put him in situations tailored to his skills.

Come on guys, please convince me of what I just typed  :-\

PLEASE
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 10, 2016, 10:00:56 AM
This is also why I was against bringing in a short-timer. Luckily he has not red-shirted so he has 2-years. However, we need to be realistic, Montgomery is going to have to keep his offense dummied-down once again. Then again, the way Wells played last year ...that probably would have been the case anyway. If we can just get a short-yardage back, we can open up so much of the field
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on February 10, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
This is also why I was against bringing in a short-timer. Luckily he has not red-shirted so he has 2-years. However, we need to be realistic, Montgomery is going to have to keep his offense dummied-down once again. Then again, the way Wells played last year ...that probably would have been the case anyway. If we can just get a short-yardage back, we can open up so much of the field

Ryan Moore showed promise here in limited duty. Hopefully he returns next season and fills that role.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on February 11, 2016, 07:34:57 AM
This is also why I was against bringing in a short-timer. Luckily he has not red-shirted so he has 2-years. However, we need to be realistic, Montgomery is going to have to keep his offense dummied-down once again. Then again, the way Wells played last year ...that probably would have been the case anyway. If we can just get a short-yardage back, we can open up so much of the field
Finally...Someone got it right!! Hopefully Moore will be back. I heard in Bo's comments he plans on posibly using Devon McNutt as a back that can run in between the tackles
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ScarletRook on February 11, 2016, 12:59:13 PM
Ryan Moore is a beast!  He can run, block and catch.  He tore his ACL during spring practice and has been working out and watching his diet closely.  I thought he got a medical redshirt - not so?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on February 11, 2016, 02:00:46 PM
Ryan Moore is a beast!  He can run, block and catch.  He tore his ACL during spring practice and has been working out and watching his diet closely.  I thought he got a medical redshirt - not so?

I recall hearing that before the season, not 100% sure
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ScarletRook on February 11, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
This is also why I was against bringing in a short-timer. Luckily he has not red-shirted so he has 2-years. However, we need to be realistic, Montgomery is going to have to keep his offense dummied-down once again. Then again, the way Wells played last year ...that probably would have been the case anyway. If we can just get a short-yardage back, we can open up so much of the field

IAA

This is the third year that I have heard you reference Montgomery "is going to have to keep his offense dummied-down."  I get it that you are a big fan of Montgomery and probably have some inside information so I ask you this:  Is Montgomery part of the recruiting process?  Seems to me as OC, he would have a great deal of say so in building a program (offense) around his skills.  If it is the case that we can't recruit an O-line, RB's, QB or receivers to fit his style then is it possible that he needs to change his 'style' and not so much "dummy-down?"
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 11, 2016, 03:08:21 PM
I too really liked what I saw from Moore. He reminds you of a Marcus Mason ...really packs a punch, but most of what I saw was with/against the #2's ...then the ACL hit before we really knew, but clearly he has skills.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on February 15, 2016, 08:55:01 AM
I like Moore a lot, but he was 200# and 200# doesn't give you what 230#does is short yardage.  Even if his leg is healthy, if he hasn't built up to at the very least 220 225, then we still have a need.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 17, 2016, 08:28:09 AM
Interesting radio show, "Ricky and Roth", on Rookery radio at 8 am on Wednesdays.  Nice, although guarded, insight from YSU players.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: mayor on February 18, 2016, 09:49:42 AM
Interesting radio show, "Ricky and Roth", on Rookery radio at 8 am on Wednesdays.  Nice, although guarded, insight from YSU players.

I love their show. Very cool.  :)
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 19, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
Interesting radio show, "Ricky and Roth", on Rookery radio at 8 am on Wednesdays.  Nice, although guarded, insight from YSU players.

I love their show. Very cool.  :)

They really work well together and were very comfortable on the air.  I must admit, however, that I got really bummed when they spoke as if #6 is the presumed starter in 2016.  If that actually happens I may have to break stuff.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on February 19, 2016, 12:10:16 PM
Yeah PN I don't think you go the JUCO route to fill the bench. A competition has to be expected.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 19, 2016, 12:33:59 PM
Competition is good.  However the "judge" of the winner of the competition is highly suspect.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 19, 2016, 01:46:59 PM
Interesting radio show, "Ricky and Roth", on Rookery radio at 8 am on Wednesdays.  Nice, although guarded, insight from YSU players.

I love their show. Very cool.  :)

They really work well together and were very comfortable on the air.  I must admit, however, that I got really bummed when they spoke as if #6 is the presumed starter in 2016.  If that actually happens I may have to break stuff.

You have a good point, I will need to listen to the show. Where can I get it?

I do think he is the presumed starter, I mean having been for 1.5 years. Also, if we can just get a little bit of complexity back into our offense ...there really is no dire need for a running QB. I liked the way Bo said it ...(paraphrase) we have no need for a running QB with coach Montgomery's offense ... but if I can get all things being equal, having the added ability to run; I'd take it.

I trust coach Montgomery to make an educated decision
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 19, 2016, 01:47:50 PM
If by "judge" you mean Montgomery , you are correct. He is a coach that has set up a "system", no matter the skills of his QBs or their ability to run it.  That is why the "system" is now failing and why I projected that  Wells would never be a 4 year starter when he started as a Frosh-- lacks  necessary skills for the system and has no running ability to add another dimension.

Recruitng  Hosick reveals a tacit admission that they DON'T have a QB for the system and they     are banking on Hosick fitting in  as a crude replacement . They have the early games to experiment with the QBs and give some  playing time to the Top 2 or 3, hoping that the gamble will pay off. Wells, only because he was the  starter will hold sway unless he is beaten out badly in camp. If he is, then the early games may simply be on the job training, especially against the weenie teams  and they try to find the skills that can be shoehorned into the  "system". FRankly, they have done a poor job of recruiting if they are trying to fit someone into the  "system" instead of building a different system around the players here.

Wells -- limited arm, lacks accuracy, no run skills and puts it up for grabs too often. His first year was a nightmare but opposing players  dropped an astonishing numbers of easy INTs.  Not so his Soph. year and  teams read him as wilting under pressure. They are correct.

Davis -- has much better run skills but they have limited his passing, so that is tough to read.

Garry -- at best , a D-II QB. Senior and offers no future.

Mays -- they won't try to develop  him . Limited skills and again looks like a D-II player. Not good enough to beat any QB on the team . Frosh with a limited upside

Hosick -- depending on WHAT they run, he has some passing AND running skills. However, he is limited  and to  get better production out of the system they employ, Montgomery must tailor the O to fit his skill set. I suspect they will fast track him. They are betting the farm on him. However, there are reasons he was not  grabbed by D-I schools. Translation -- limited abilities.

This however puts them with 1 senior and 3 juniors at QB with a Frosh who isn't going to play here. The next two recruit classes  will have them behind the  8 ball  -- a Frosh is usually  no immediate help  and another Juco  may be the  answer while they look for a Frosh project that might play with some seasoning of a few years  . With two bad recruit classes so far, it will be tough to turn it around.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 19, 2016, 02:03:32 PM
I listen to the program through a "Rookery Radio" app.  I suspect the Rookery Radio website allows streaming audio, but not sure.

IMO, the competition should be between Davis and Hosick....keeping Wells as QB makes as much sense as keeping Slocum as MBB HC....he's a non-MVFC QB.  It would be nice to see Garry and Mays take snaps in the creampuff games, and definitely in the Red/White game.

I have zero confidence in the OC.  He's shown me poor decision making skills, a poor judge of talent, and a costly stubbornness.   

I think the 2016 schedule is much more difficult than 2015...the DSU's are all away as is ISUr, and WIU is replaced by UNI.  Unless significant upgrades are made at QB....the outcome may be much like 2015.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 19, 2016, 02:44:20 PM
Agree , PN. But I'll wait until the pre-season Fall camp to project. It was easy to project losing seasons  with Heacock because     his early classes were so bad and lacked meaningful transfers and Jucos, but currently they are pulling in transfers and recruiting a number of Jucos. That can only tilt the program  for a very limited time ( one season). But a losing season again looks like a possibility I grant  you.

BTW, we were badly outrecruited again by most of the MVFC teams.

So at QB -- Hosick 1st team, Wells 2nd team, Davis 3rd team. Would not be surprised if they try to lure in a D-I transfer either  before camp starts.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on February 19, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
Agree , PN. But I'll wait until the pre-season Fall camp to project. It was easy to project losing seasons  with Heacock because     his early classes were so bad and lacked meaningful transfers and Jucos, but currently they are pulling in transfers and recruiting a number of Jucos. That can only tilt the program  for a very limited time ( one season). But a losing season again looks like a possibility I grant  you.

BTW, we were badly outrecruited again by most of the MVFC teams.

So at QB -- Hosick 1st team, Wells 2nd team, Davis 3rd team. Would not be surprised if they try to lure in a D-I transfer either  before camp starts.

Garry is gone from the program, has transferred out FYI..... I agree with your statements about Mays and Wells. Competition has to be between Davis and Hosick.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 19, 2016, 04:02:42 PM
Nation, unlike you partner in crime, you make some solid points. I just do not agree. Monty is one heck of an OC & has proven it year-after-year. Did we slip in 2015 ...yes. Enough to have his job be called into question? No.

As to QB's:

Well's is a wonderful passer Paladin, have you ever sen him? To say limited ...well Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are limited as well ...so what does that mean? I have seen every play of every game and off-season work as well. Now if you want to say he has a tendency to "telegraph"? Then say that & you have a valid point. Did he push himself & that resulted in forced throws? Perhaps, but he was a lame-duck back there much of the year with the inconsistent front-line support that we gave him.

BTW: you constantly bring up some BS point about the class-rank of our QB's yet you seemed to be 100% in the "JUCO" or "Transfer" camp. So what did you think you were going to get ...a frosh or soph? BTW, there is another QB that will be on the roster ...not certain if he plays QB though. I understand he cannot play spring ball.

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This however puts them with 1 senior and 3 juniors at QB with a Frosh who isn't going to play here
1. Did you forget that 2 of those juniors have red-shirts to offer?
2. Garry is a good return because he is our holder.
3. The mere fact that you do not even know the name Nathan Mays pretty much makes your opinion of him meaningless. I guaranty you that you have never seen him even toss the ball one single time. You will be surprised by his ability.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on February 20, 2016, 08:49:58 AM
Nation, unlike you partner in crime, you make some solid points. I just do not agree. Monty is one heck of an OC & has proven it year-after-year. Did we slip in 2015 ...yes. Enough to have his job be called into question? No.

As to QB's:

Well's is a wonderful passer Paladin, have you ever sen him? To say limited ...well Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are limited as well ...so what does that mean? I have seen every play of every game and off-season work as well. Now if you want to say he has a tendency to "telegraph"? Then say that & you have a valid point. Did he push himself & that resulted in forced throws? Perhaps, but he was a lame-duck back there much of the year with the inconsistent front-line support that we gave him.

BTW: you constantly bring up some BS point about the class-rank of our QB's yet you seemed to be 100% in the "JUCO" or "Transfer" camp. So what did you think you were going to get ...a frosh or soph? BTW, there is another QB that will be on the roster ...not certain if he plays QB though. I understand he cannot play spring ball.

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This however puts them with 1 senior and 3 juniors at QB with a Frosh who isn't going to play here
1. Did you forget that 2 of those juniors have red-shirts to offer?
2. Garry is a good return because he is our holder.
3. The mere fact that you do not even know the name Nathan Mays pretty much makes your opinion of him meaningless. I guaranty you that you have never seen him even toss the ball one single time. You will be surprised by his ability.
This is a very good post. I don't know Wells personally, but he can make throws at the FCS level that few can. You don't finish second for freshman of the year in the Missouri and 5th nationally by accident. A large part of his struggles this past season were do in part to not having the pieces around him. Any Qb will press with a make shift line , a power running game that is non-existent and receivers that have a ton of drops. That was one reason Ricky was inserted -to try and take pressure off. The coaching staff has addressed some of those needs for who ever the quarterback may be. Trent will not be able to run like he did in the Juco ranks and remain healthy ..He needs to show the staff he can make all the throws and make good decisions against Missouri conference defenses if he wants to become the starter..this will be very interesting..I've heard since the signing of Hosick..two FBS programs have inquired about Wells
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 20, 2016, 09:07:28 AM
Nation, unlike you partner in crime, you make some solid points. I just do not agree. Monty is one heck of an OC & has proven it year-after-year. Did we slip in 2015 ...yes. Enough to have his job be called into question? No.

Check out these stats:  http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/21

How does a team with the #1 pass D, and #7 total D go 5-6?  It's the same reason we had one first down in the second half versus NDSU.  We were not even in the top 50 in total offense or passing offense.  Who 's the QB coach? He's just as awful as the OC  :D   

If six years is not enough for him to install his offense, then how many years will it take?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 20, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
Who is waiting for us to install it? I am waiting for the football IQ's to keep coming up so we can run it once again. Say if we are never going to mix things up again, then why bother? IF we continue to recruit "athletes" instead of players, then we are never going to amount to anything on offense. BTW, don't expect those defensive numbers next year ...we will no longer be "new". I could not agree more with you on the NDSU game, but again the idea of getting rid of the OC never even enters my mind. I see coach Montgomery as the solution ...not the problem.

In 2013, after we dummied down the first time, we still had the #2 red-zone offense and the #24 scoring offense ...only 5 teams above us made the play-off. It took me a while to realize the every play Montgomery calls is designed to score; but after I saw it work, I have been sold ever since ...but these last two years have not been what we had done in the past. FYI: we had more second-half offensive performance last year than normal. I will say it again, if we average 36-points a game and you have complaints about the offense? I do not care if we score all 36 in the first dang quarter ... you better win that football game.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on February 21, 2016, 06:29:28 PM
Wells plays in the best FCS league.  Wells probably had the most dropped balls  in the league and probably FCS.  Did anybody see the Championship game. Jacksonville St. QB got handled and he tore it up before that.  He was a dual threat QB.  Wells isn't the whole problem.  Our special teams killed us.  Our D didn't hold up in crucial situations and our O line was reduced to playing how many different guys.  Wells is better than we think.  He wasn't horrible against Pitt.  He wasn't horrible against the top 2 teams in our league.  Is he a statue yes.  Does our offense fit his talents no.  As for arm strength he makes the throws.  He is he a wet ball QB .  I would say no.  But there isn't a better mid to long ball thrower in our league than him.  How many times did #80 not catch the deep ball.  Pally u claim you haven't been to any games right.  How can you say he can't throw.  Something happened to his mechanics on the short stuff.  If we didn't have replay we beat Illinois St.  If we had special teams we beat the Bison.  How many times did the punter shank it.  He's a local kid nobody is b****in about that.  If Ricky Davis could throw and read a defense don't you think they would give him more reps.  This isn't high school.  Hosick was a 4 star recruit right and Pally no more than Missouri and BYU and Jesus himself give me a break!  Go back to coaching midget football.  Lol!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 21, 2016, 07:03:11 PM
With the same variables as Wells (porous O line, receivers with hands of stone, penalties negating great plays, etc), Davis has a higher passing efficiency than Wells (although the sample sizes are vastly different). 

Davis had zero interceptions, pick 6 had 7. 

Davis, despite very limited playing time, was YSU's third leading rusher in 2015 with 195 yards.  How many rushing yards did pick 6 have? Minus 44! 

Rushing TDs? Davis: 4 (only Jody Webb had more).  Wells: zero.

I don't believe the premise that if Shane picks pick 6, then pick 6 must be the best QB we have.  Maybe he sucks as OC and QB coach.

Hosick has an impressive resume, and I think we'll see good things from him.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on February 21, 2016, 07:36:17 PM
Your stats are flawed. Davis was usually in on sure running downs and Wells was in on long yardage situations.  If you want to give somebody a nickname why don't we call him O.J since all he could do is run. Davis will never be more than what he is now a change of pace QB.  Pelini went out and addressed the situation and hopefully Wells and Davis step up THEY both dissapointed last year and that is why we had to go out and get somebody.  I laugh every time you through out your BS stats on Davis was the better QB.  His sample size is way too small to make any conclusions.  I think they need to convert him to a RB or a WR to use his athletic ability. 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 21, 2016, 07:52:17 PM
Your stats are flawed.   

They're not my stats.  They are stats from YSU and the MVFC. 


  If you want to give somebody a nickname why don't we call him O.J since all he could do is run.

Agreed.  Henceforth, #12 will now be referred to as "The Juice." 
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: YSUGO on February 21, 2016, 07:59:35 PM
All good! The juice it is😀!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on February 22, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
You guys still remind me of the "good ol' days" in Cleveland when 1/2 the fans wanted Brady Quinn and 1/2 wanted Derek Anderson and the truth is, neither were any good. 
Davis can run better than Wells, true, but so can I. (maybe)
Wells can pass better than Davis, but so can I.  (not at all, but you get my point)
Truth is our passing QB got worse his second year as a starter, not better.  He doesn't throw very well, just better than Ricky.
2nd truth, Davis runs better than Wells, but he doesn't run well.
Hopefully Hosick plays here like he did in JC ball.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on February 22, 2016, 10:24:27 AM
Go Guins this is big boy football. ACCAC VS. the Missouri Valley conference NOT EVEN CLOSE. There are some exceptional athletes at various positions in the Juco ranks but groups as a whole are very weak, film does not lie. How do you think Davis or Wells would perform at a community college? They would probably tear it up 😊
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 22, 2016, 10:38:08 AM
Nania loses his starting job at YSU and becomes one of the top D2 QBs, and leads the Rock to the D2 quarterfinals last year.  The MVFC is closer to G5 than FCS in terms of talent (actually the MVFC would be a mid-G5 conference). Lots of guys at YSU would be rock stars elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 22, 2016, 02:21:08 PM
For what its worth, ysugo. while I no longer come to games, I do on occasion attend a practice here or there and do watch the games on TV, both home & away, most of the time.  I've seen enough of Wells for 2 years to be firm in my analysis. I have seen enough of the others to make the same projection. Hosick I'm limited to on film as of now.

My expectation is they will recruit another Juco QB.................. soon.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on February 22, 2016, 03:04:15 PM
You could be right Paladin. Spring camp starts in 3 weeks we will know more shortly. If that were to happen it would not be through the Juco system, but more then likely a FBS transfer at a later date that got beat out in spring camp. Like I said before I'm going to give Hosick the benefit of the doubt since I've yet to see him throw live at YSU against a quality defense. He is a solid, strong, and tough kid that was a heavyweight wrestling champion in High school. Just reminds me of a bigger version of a Ryan Moore and a true power running back rather then a true passer..this could be a option for the staff as crazy as this may sound if Wells brings his A game and there are questions surrounding Ryan Moore and his knee
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: go guins on February 23, 2016, 09:25:10 AM
Go Guins this is big boy football. ACCAC VS. the Missouri Valley conference NOT EVEN CLOSE. There are some exceptional athletes at various positions in the Juco ranks but groups as a whole are very weak, film does not lie. How do you think Davis or Wells would perform at a community college? They would probably tear it up 😊

I'm not arguing that ACCAC is equal to MVFC, but I AM arguing that ACCAC is a better gage of how a player will perform in the MVFC than a high school conference.  In Hosick's case we get JUCO film vs anybody else's high school film.  Secondly, superior performance is superior performance.  Hosick ran and passed in high school and in JUCO, he reasonably could be expected to run and pass reasonably successfully in the MVFC.  HOWEVER as I keep pointing out to Paladin, the biggest issue in a player is heart and we don't know about Hosick.  We DO know that Wells has failed to step up and perform at his best in the 4th quarter of any game he's played at YSU.  That isn't a good sign.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: paladin on February 23, 2016, 01:42:56 PM
Correct Fever.  It could be a Juco or a transfer. And , I expect the same next year .... they will go after another Juco or transfer at QB. If Hosick is injured   or doesn't work out, they are in a deep hole. They would be smart trying to plug the hole over the next two years.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: The YO Show on February 23, 2016, 05:04:09 PM
YSU hasn't been more than average at QB for a while. I say that, and I liked Hess. To me, even Hess felt average. I think its more of just getting a pretty good average QB and really improving our oline and wide receivers from last year. Not trying to knock the positions, and everyone is human and will drop a pass, but they need to really improve on dropped passes from last year.

The way I see it, if we improve our defense from last year, which was already vastly improved, and the oline play improves along with the wide receivers, we have a pretty good team. You don't need a spectacular qb just one that gets the job done. I'm not saying our current qb shouldn't improve or be up for grabs, because by all means flesh it out with a competition, but I don't know why everyone always focuses on the QB as the issue with a team not winning. My god, the browns have done that for years. Sure we need to recruit the best QB we can, but we also have to improve our game and recruit players to fill the other voids we have.

Our season ending record would be completely different if you take away even a few of the drop passes in key situations from last year. So, now that we brought in Hosick and are having a qb competition for the starting job, I argue we let that run its course and accept the eventual starter. I don't think bringing in another competitor beyond what the team currently has is a great idea. Doesn't matter if we had peyton manning as our qb if our wide receivers drop so many passes.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on February 23, 2016, 07:14:04 PM
First off I would like to say I think it's a great thing going out and getting Trent. This could be a really good thing for Wells and maybe just what he needs. I think that YSUGO put it best Quarterback play was not all of the problem. Both Davis and Wells put the team in a good enough situation that a 8-3 record was a possibility had some other things gone our way ( I think that's a hard point to argue ) Wells put on a clinic the first half against the Bison that other quarterbacks just don't do against a bison defense. It's hard to finish games when the ball is taking out of your hands and your trying to run clock. To constantly beat Davis and Wells into the ground is very unfair. And yes Go Guins the level of play in Juco  is better then that in High school. I never thought Wells would be able to adjust to the speed of the game and learn so quickly his first year in the MVC.Trent will be more slightly prepared then Wells was coming out of high school..but the transition period for players will vary..there are just alot of factors involved..let the competition begin even tho the majority of people on here have Trent circled in as the starter allready
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 24, 2016, 10:32:03 AM
On his radio show this AM. Ricky Davis said that he could hear defenses say when he was put in that it was going to be a run play.  The defenses knew it, and played accordingly.  We knew it.  In other words, Shane telegraphed our plays to the opponent.  Ridiculous incompetence.
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on February 24, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
On his radio show this AM. Ricky Davis said that he could hear defenses say when he was put in that it was going to be a run play.  The defenses knew it, and played accordingly.  We knew it.  In other words, Shane telegraphed our plays to the opponent.  Ridiculous incompetence.

Don't tell 1-AA that!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 24, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
On his radio show this AM. Ricky Davis said that he could hear defenses say when he was put in that it was going to be a run play.  The defenses knew it, and played accordingly.  We knew it.  In other words, Shane telegraphed our plays to the opponent.  Ridiculous incompetence.

Don't tell 1-AA that!

Are you saying that he won't like my "Shane Sucks" t-shirts and bumper stickers?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: HappyPenguin on February 24, 2016, 01:18:55 PM
On his radio show this AM. Ricky Davis said that he could hear defenses say when he was put in that it was going to be a run play.  The defenses knew it, and played accordingly.  We knew it.  In other words, Shane telegraphed our plays to the opponent.  Ridiculous incompetence.

Don't tell 1-AA that!

Are you saying that he won't like my "Shane Sucks" t-shirts and bumper stickers?

Not really but how much do you want for one of each?  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: IAA Fan on February 24, 2016, 04:22:46 PM
On his radio show this AM. Ricky Davis said that he could hear defenses say when he was put in that it was going to be a run play.  The defenses knew it, and played accordingly.  We knew it.  In other words, Shane telegraphed our plays to the opponent.  Ridiculous incompetence.

Oh and I suppose that something that obvious escapes Montgomery ...we really need a peewee caliber coach to see such a thing. Gee did you ever stop to think that this is why his completion % was so high?
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: Penguin Nation on February 24, 2016, 04:32:56 PM
On his radio show this AM. Ricky Davis said that he could hear defenses say when he was put in that it was going to be a run play.  The defenses knew it, and played accordingly.  We knew it.  In other words, Shane telegraphed our plays to the opponent.  Ridiculous incompetence.

Oh and I suppose that something that obvious escapes Montgomery ...we really need a peewee caliber coach to see such a thing. Gee did you ever stop to think that this is why his completion % was so high?

No. There wasn't any underlying brilliance. Just telegraphing plays and handcuffing your QB.

The " Shane Sucks" apparel is selling out fast. Order soon!
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on March 20, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
Nick Bazzarro a 6"6 295 OG/T from Cathedral Prep in Erie,Pa will be joining the penguins as a preferred walk-on. Very impressive on film for a big guy - surprised he wasn't taking by anyone else..Good job C. Bricillo for finding this kid
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: guinpen on March 20, 2016, 04:31:36 PM
Nick Bazzarro a 6"6 295 OG/T from Cathedral Prep in Erie,Pa will be joining the penguins as a preferred walk-on. Very impressive on film for a big guy - surprised he wasn't taking by anyone else..Good job C. Bricillo for finding this kid

Close enough to bring along fans for the stands
Title: Re: 2016 Recruting
Post by: ytownchief22 on March 21, 2016, 10:49:12 AM
Sha'haun Williams, a former standout for Ursuline has joined the team after playing at Notre Dame College last year. 6-3, 235 DL. Had 8.5 TFL, 4.5 sacks last year.