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I was looking at the brackets and did I read this wrong? All our conference qualifiers which was 5 teams are in the same bracket half. If we are the toughest conference shouldn't the brackets be distributed a little different. It seems they don't want a repeat of last years game. What a joke.
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You read it right. I guess the MVFC teams are going to tear each other apart in conference play as well as the playoffs.
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/football_fcs_2015.pdf
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Looks like last years title game ruffled some feathers?
Between our sh**ty conference refs and garbage like this I'm about ready to find something else to spend Saturdays on.
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I have to agree.
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Looks like last years title game ruffled some feathers?
Between our sh**ty conference refs and garbage like this I'm about ready to find something else to spend Saturdays on.
Just another reason FCS is the orphan child,
Go GRIZ!!!
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Looks like last years title game ruffled some feathers?
Between our sh**ty conference refs and garbage like this I'm about ready to find something else to spend Saturdays on.
Just another reason FCS is the orphan child,
Go GRIZ!!!
This is just like another political correctness. They do not want other conferences to be shut out the semi-final or final games. So, they regulate it to ensure other conferences will be able to play in them.
This is just like the little league baseball World Series when the Asian and Latin American teams regularly played for the title game. So the game was changes to two brackets with US on one bracket and the rest of the world on the other bracket. US team is then guaranteed to be in the final every year. It is now US against the World.
May be NCAA should rename the playoff games as "MVFC against the FCS".
As for the Penguins, I am still optimistic about the future. IMO, Bo knew our biggest problem was the defense. Offense was able to score points. So, he left the O alone and fixed the D First.
He will fix the O next year. This season, Monty had to know that his job was on the line. That must be the rationale for him to play the QB who would have given him the best chance to win. If Davis was better, he would have been in there instead of Wells. He must also have recognized that Wells could not run and Davis could not throw or read defense. So, he decided on Wells. As I said before, he saw these guys 5 days a week including Spring and Fall practices. He knew more about their abilities than me and I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Fixing the O does not always mean replacing coach M. May be Bo will fix the O line and bring in some more football players, (instead of track stars), who can get open and catch the ball into our O.
This year, Wells did not exhibit any toughness needed to play D1 football. We need to find out what Davis can do. If Davis does not work out, fining another QB and a power full back will probably be high on Bo's list.
Bo knows a lot more about football than me so I will let him do his job. I won't tell him how to coach and I hope he will not try to teach my STEM classes at YSU.
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Double ET, you teach STEM classes?
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Double ET, you teach STEM classes?
Yes. I had several football players in my classes. I am a professor in the college of STEM.
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Oh cool! Well, I am still currently a STEM student. I got my BE in electrical engineering undergrad there. I'm currently a grad student working on my master's (Master's of Science in Electrical Engineering).
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Double ET, you teach STEM classes?
Yes. I had several football players in my classes. I am a professor in the college of STEM.
YSU engineering is kick ass
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its total BS
its basically like D2 where they regionalize everyone for cheapness/bus trips. if these teams are so poor, or this league is that poor, then do away with FCS.
some can go FBS and rest can fall to D2.
NDSU got hosed big time, with the UNI AD on the committee he didn't care if NDSU got raped.
East coasters can get rid of the all the MVFC teams too. GRRR Patty Viverito SUCKS!
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its total BS
its basically like D2 where they regionalize everyone for cheapness/bus trips. if these teams are so poor, or this league is that poor, then do away with FCS.
some can go FBS and rest can fall to D2.
NDSU got hosed big time, with the UNI AD on the committee he didn't care if NDSU got raped.
East coasters can get rid of the all the MVFC teams too. GRRR Patty Viverito SUCKS!
Dead on point Lakes. Great post
Btw. We are getting f***ed by the referees in the conference. We won that game again ISU. They called back a clear fumble for a TD against ISU. Clearly a fumble but called a forward pass
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its total BS
its basically like D2 where they regionalize everyone for cheapness/bus trips. if these teams are so poor, or this league is that poor, then do away with FCS.
some can go FBS and rest can fall to D2.
NDSU got hosed big time, with the UNI AD on the committee he didn't care if NDSU got raped.
East coasters can get rid of the all the MVFC teams too. GRRR Patty Viverito SUCKS!
It is BS, and yes she does
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its total BS
its basically like D2 where they regionalize everyone for cheapness/bus trips. if these teams are so poor, or this league is that poor, then do away with FCS.
some can go FBS and rest can fall to D2.
NDSU got hosed big time, with the UNI AD on the committee he didn't care if NDSU got raped.
East coasters can get rid of the all the MVFC teams too. GRRR Patty Viverito SUCKS!
Dead on point Lakes. Great post
Btw. We are getting f***ed by the referees in the conference. We won that game again ISU. They called back a clear fumble for a TD against ISU. Clearly a fumble but called a forward pass
PP, the bigger concern is that play is just an example of how second rate the officials are in our league and at this level. And to believe that a team in our league could not have instant replay.
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its total BS
its basically like D2 where they regionalize everyone for cheapness/bus trips. if these teams are so poor, or this league is that poor, then do away with FCS.
some can go FBS and rest can fall to D2.
NDSU got hosed big time, with the UNI AD on the committee he didn't care if NDSU got raped.
East coasters can get rid of the all the MVFC teams too. GRRR Patty Viverito SUCKS!
Dead on point Lakes. Great post
Btw. We are getting f***ed by the referees in the conference. We won that game again ISU. They called back a clear fumble for a TD against ISU. Clearly a fumble but called a forward pass
PP, the bigger concern is that play is just an example of how second rate the officials are in our league and at this level. And to believe that a team in our could not have instant replay.
Agree and thought have gravitated that way too.
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I had not had a chance until a little while ago to view the bracket. Needless to say I was very sick to my stomach. That is a sham of a playoff bracket. No WAY all 5 MVFC teams should have been on the same side, and no way should there be so many possibilities of a 2nd round rematch! HELL NDSU is GUARANTEED a 2nd round rematch as their potential opponents are SDSU and Montana!
As a non NDSU fan, but a MVFC fan, on the off chance montana beats SDSU I feel that a Montana NDSU rematch in Fargo will go NDSUs way and is probably the most interesting rematch on the bracket. Even the non MVFC rematch games are bad though. Look at Richmond. Possible rematch round 2. What would that make it, 3 weeks difference between playing a team in the regular season and playing the SAME team in the playoffs?
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Oh cool! Well, I am still currently a STEM student. I got my BE in electrical engineering undergrad there. I'm currently a grad student working on my master's (Master's of Science in Electrical Engineering).
Good. You are one of Jalali, Pasino, Dr. M's boys. Great department... With Dr. J & Dr. Phil.
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What should make everyone sick is that 5 MVFC teams got in, Western Ill. was one of them with a 6-5 record, and YSU wasnt one of the 5. Blown leads in the fourth quarter cost YSU a playoff appearence and spared this board all of the resulting angst.
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Duquesne, Dayton, and toothpaste are all in :D
WIU @ 6-5 travels to Dayton this should be fun.
UNI might get a W vs EIU ;)
SDSU goes to Montana $$$$
My question is; "IF" YSU had the coaching staff and talent to beat ISU (b) would they have gotten in over 6-5 WIU ???
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Duquesne, Dayton, and toothpaste are all in :D
WIU @ 6-5 travels to Dayton this should be fun.
UNI might get a W vs EIU ;)
SDSU goes to Montana $$$$
My question is; "IF" YSU had the coaching staff and tallent to beat ISU (b) would they have gotten in over 6-5 WIU ???
Toothpaste 😂
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Duquesne, Dayton, and toothpaste are all in :D
WIU @ 6-5 travels to Dayton this should be fun.
UNI might get a W vs EIU ;)
SDSU goes to Montana $$$$
My question is; "IF" YSU had the coaching staff and talent to beat ISU (b) would they have gotten in over 6-5 WIU ???
No. We only get in if we win the conference auto bid.
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The final SRS:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/simple-ratings-system
Three teams below YSU in the post-season, including at-large UNH.
I think if YSU won against the Trees, one of two things wouldve happened:
1) YSU gets in w/ WIU spot (YSU beat WIU in reg season), or...
2) Both YSU and WIU get in (6 MVFC teams in) and UNH is out.
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The final SRS:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/simple-ratings-system
Three teams below YSU in the post-season, including at-large UNH.
I think if YSU won against the Trees, one of two things wouldve happened:
1) YSU gets in w/ WIU spot (YSU beat WIU in reg season), or...
2) Both YSU and WIU get in (6 MVFC teams in) and UNH is out.
SRS LOL!! Dartmouth #2 and Harvard #4 just saying this is really a jacked up ranking.
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The final SRS:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/simple-ratings-system
Three teams below YSU in the post-season, including at-large UNH.
I think if YSU won against the Trees, one of two things wouldve happened:
1) YSU gets in w/ WIU spot (YSU beat WIU in reg season), or...
2) Both YSU and WIU get in (6 MVFC teams in) and UNH is out.
SRS LOL!! Dartmouth #2 and Harvard #4 just saying this is really a jacked up ranking.
It's a joke. They obviously don't even use it when making selections.
Dartmouth ahead of NDSU??? BWAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ;D
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I "used" to be the biggest supporter of the playoff's at our level.
1. The playoff are boring and no one cares.
2. Regionalization sucks.
3. Bidding on a home game for $$ to the NCAA sucks!
4. Auto Bids are bad!
"IF most of you forgot I'll explain how a true championship and playoff should work.
Take the 24 best team's period. Let the conferences reward the champs. Seed teams 1-8 for the bye week. Seed 9-24 for the rest of the field, the higher seeds get home game.
The way it's set up now the 24th team that has an alumni with $$ gets a home game over the 9th seed! Stop the region crap "IF" 12 is in FL and 13 is in WA state so be it.
Bottom line: 1FCS is a money pit for most schools anyways so these home game bidding is nuts. Also not many people outside the 1FCS community watch these games anymore since they are all on ESPN ?? Need to bring these games back to network TV (CBS) or air them on the regular ESPN or Fox SN channels.
That is all,,, Carry on..
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Oh cool! Well, I am still currently a STEM student. I got my BE in electrical engineering undergrad there. I'm currently a grad student working on my master's (Master's of Science in Electrical Engineering).
Good. You are one of Jalali, Pasino, Dr. M's boys. Great department... With Dr. J & Dr. Phil.
Yep! I just got home from one of Dr. M's classes actually. But I love YSU's EE department.
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I "used" to be the biggest supporter of the playoff's at our level.
1. The playoff are boring and no one cares.
2. Regionalization sucks.
3. Bidding on a home game for $$ to the NCAA sucks!
4. Auto Bids are bad!
"IF most of you forgot I'll explain how a true championship and playoff should work.
Take the 24 best team's period. Let the conferences reward the champs. Seed teams 1-8 for the bye week. Seed 9-24 for the rest of the field, the higher seeds get home game.
The way it's set up now the 24th team that has an alumni with $$ gets a home game over the 9th seed! Stop the region crap "IF" 12 is in FL and 13 is in WA state so be it.
Bottom line: 1FCS is a money pit for most schools anyways so these home game bidding is nuts. Also not many people outside the 1FCS community watch these games anymore since they are all on ESPN ?? Need to bring these games back to network TV (CBS) or air them on the regular ESPN or Fox SN channels.
That is all,,, Carry on..
...Except 16 teams was the perfect number. Anything more is getting into NBA/NHL territory.
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I "used" to be the biggest supporter of the playoff's at our level.
1. The playoff are boring and no one cares.
2. Regionalization sucks.
3. Bidding on a home game for $$ to the NCAA sucks!
4. Auto Bids are bad!
"IF most of you forgot I'll explain how a true championship and playoff should work.
Take the 24 best team's period. Let the conferences reward the champs. Seed teams 1-8 for the bye week. Seed 9-24 for the rest of the field, the higher seeds get home game.
The way it's set up now the 24th team that has an alumni with $$ gets a home game over the 9th seed! Stop the region crap "IF" 12 is in FL and 13 is in WA state so be it.
Bottom line: 1FCS is a money pit for most schools anyways so these home game bidding is nuts. Also not many people outside the 1FCS community watch these games anymore since they are all on ESPN ?? Need to bring these games back to network TV (CBS) or air them on the regular ESPN or Fox SN channels.
That is all,,, Carry on..
...Except 16 teams was the perfect number. Anything more is getting into NBA/NHL territory.
I am sure that it will come as no surprise to anyone, but 1AA (FCS) and its playoff system is a complete joke. This year’s bracket arraignment aside, every year there are teams that just do not belong. Dayton and the Dukes. The problem is how it is determined who belongs and who does not. Way too much politics involved and sadly politics will be the reason that the problem is never fixed.
I refuse to believe that a power ranking system cannot be established that would rank all schools. Take the top 16 and that is it. About week 8-9 start printing the standings and that is it.
No auto bids – zero. Start rewarding teams for having a great SOS and you will be amazed how fast schools will be upgrading their schedule. Stop penalizing schools from the tougher leagues that knock each other off. Granted the MVFC has been represented well the last couple of years, other years not so much.
I would like to see 1 hosting 16, 2 - 15 and so on but understand that other factors will come into play, such as does the hosting school's facilities meet a minimum standard maybe neither teams do. Can be worked out.
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Except there are many more FCS teams than the NHL and NBA. There are 125 fcs teams this year. With 24 making it, only 19.2 percent of teams make the playoffs. That is better than the top 20% make the playoffs. Number is higher in pro leagues. I don't think 24 is a bad number though (oh and at 16 teams making its the top 12.8% make it). Well, i guess I can't say top because rankings are .... yeah so 19.2 percent make it as is and 12.8 percent made it before.
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Taking it a step further, it is ridiculous to have the MVFC (with schools that have beaten P5 schools) and non-scholly conferences in the same division. The Dayton Rule needs to be modified, and then dissolve the FCS. Merge G5 with a few full scholly FCS conferences, and the rest join D2. Then have playoffs or bowls for the merged G5/FCS...or both.
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Taking it a step further, it is ridiculous to have the MVFC (with schools that have beaten P5 schools) and non-scholly conferences in the same division. The Dayton Rule needs to be modified, and then dissolve the FCS. Merge G5 with a few full scholly FCS conferences, and the rest join D2. Then have playoffs or bowls for the merged G5/FCS...or both.
I agree, problem is that no one has the stones to talk about it. The G5 schools are happy and content to stick out their chest and tell the world that they are "big-time", no matter that they will never ever have a chance to make the play-offs.
Some of the no or partial schooly schools get into making the play-offs, makes their year. They know that they have no chance. But most of these schools just want to play D1 basketball, let them pick the level they want to play each sport.
Merge the G5 and upper 1AA.
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I do not agree. The G5 is really the G6. merge all of the rest ...call it anything you like. I favor IA and I-AA. Still the best.
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the playoff commish (Tennessee tech AD? wtf) said on fargo radio.
he was asked " did you purposely put all 5 mvfc teams on 1 side to avoid repeat of last years title game?:"
Tenn Tech AD " Oh no, we started seeding, had isu 2, ndsu 3, then the rest just kind of fell into place, we didn't even really notice or purposely place them like that"
BULLLLLLLLLLL you're telling me not 1 member of the committee didn't say "whoa, we cant have 5 on same side"
MVFC's rep on the board? UNI Troy Dannen a real dink!
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Troy Dannen is a dick head. How many years has he been on the committee now? I am fairly certain he kept us out of the playoffs when we were a bubble team on multiple occasions. I clearly remember him attacking us to our OOC scheduling.
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There are big spreads on 5dimes this weekend. If we beat ISUb, I believe we'd host Duquesne (+22 vs. W&M) or Dayton (+17 versus WIU).
UNI is -19 versus EIU.
It could've been another cupcake game to prep for the real playoffs.
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BULLLLLLLLLLL you're telling me not 1 member of the committee didn't say "whoa, we cant have 5 on same side"
MVFC's rep on the board? UNI Troy Dannen a real dink!
Maybe Dannen brokered a deal that in exchange for WIU getting in, the MV teams would all be placed on the same side of the bracket.
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BULLLLLLLLLLL you're telling me not 1 member of the committee didn't say "whoa, we cant have 5 on same side"
MVFC's rep on the board? UNI Troy Dannen a real dink!
Maybe Dannen brokered a deal that in exchange for WIU getting in, the MV teams would all be placed on the same side of the bracket.
Maybe...but WIU has a way better resume then many (most) at-large teams. If only record matters, lets join the NEC!
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BULLLLLLLLLLL you're telling me not 1 member of the committee didn't say "whoa, we cant have 5 on same side"
Of course they knew what they were doing. To publicly state that you did not realize what happened is to admit that you are incompetent. Bush league
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BULLLLLLLLLLL you're telling me not 1 member of the committee didn't say "whoa, we cant have 5 on same side"
Of course they knew what they were doing. To publicly state that you did not realize what happened is to admit that you are incompetent. Bush league
Bush league is right. The next classy thing I see from the NCAA will be the first! Maybe that Blatter guy from FIFA can take over the NCAA next. I hear he may be looking for a job.
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Could Colgate pull off the upset against JMU? Raiders took early 10-0 lead and are down 4 at half 28-24. I find this very interesting because coach Wolford recruited Patriot and Colgate recruits very hard his last couple years here and we lost 3 recruits in 2015 to Colgate when he was fired and all 3 are playing in this game
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Not much of an upset. Colgate if full scholarship now and JMU is so-so.
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CAA is an embarrassment in the playoffs this year.
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Good game between WIU and Illinois St...22-19 Redbird with 9 to go in 4th..NDSU Up 21-0 over Montana late in 2nd..No real surprise there
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Still a big win by Colgate today. I think if Vad Lee plays the outcome would be different. They were only given a 7% chance to win today lowest of any underdog
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My prediction is NDSU and Illinois St. will meet in the semi-finals and earn the right to beat the HELL out of Jacksonville St. for the title. Considering we had a great opportunity to win both of those games makes the 2015 FCS playoffs hard to follow..but it's something we need to do in order to learn from it
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My prediction is NDSU and Illinois St. will meet in the semi-finals and earn the right to beat the HELL out of Jacksonville St. for the title. Considering we had a great opportunity to win both of those games makes the 2015 FCS playoffs hard to follow..but it's something we need to do in order to learn from it
I agree. I have JSU vs NDSU in the title, but realistically, it could just as easily be Illinois State. UNI is even surprising me. I think they lose to the Bison, but you never know. Is this the year?
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2 down 3 to go - go Bearkats!
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Espn 2 NDSU and Richmond. Kind of strange seeing a spider on a helmet. Bison are up early and home field advantage is on their side
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This game is a joke. Bison up 26-0 just before half and it should be 50-0. The spiders can't do a damn thing. BO if your watching this game get yourself a power running game and that will solve your quarterback issues and a linebacker like DeLuco who you simply can't block..time to turn this one off and see if Mount Union can bring another one home
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UR (1-1 vs. MVFC) gets ripped by a team that we almost beat and was beaten by USD. UR would be a mid-pack MVFC team. Horrible playoff showing for the CAA, where two CAA teams were beat by a PL team. Not only is the CAA no longer the top FCS conference, I'd put them below the BSC and Southern.
NDSU on their way to 5 straight.
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yep ...no one left to protect our #1 active (#2 overall) spot.
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Jacksonville St. demolishing Sam Houston at the Half..Look for the Bison's defense to come up big in the title game. Funny thing about this our offense had more success against their defense then just about anyone did this year
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Semi final games are duds. They need to re-think the playoff system based on geography or what ever BS criteria. I think for one they need to make all of FCS full scholarship and eliminate the BS teams and conferences. Or make them ineligible for the playoffs. I would drop it to 16 teams like it used to be. I turned both games off early.
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The Bison will have their hands full with Jacksonville St. They have a great QB in Jenkins. He is very mobile and can run plus he is an accurate passer. They have very good WR's that catch nearly anything. The Bison are good, but I doubt they can beat Jacksonville in the Title game. It should be a very good Championship game.
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Semi final games are duds. They need to re-think the playoff system based on geography or what ever BS criteria. I think for one they need to make all of FCS full scholarship and eliminate the BS teams and conferences. Or make them ineligible for the playoffs. I would drop it to 16 teams like it used to be. I turned both games off early.
I'm impressed you even turned it on
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Jacksonville St. demolishing Sam Houston at the Half..Look for the Bison's defense to come up big in the title game. Funny thing about this our offense had more success against their defense then just about anyone did this year
Then they flipped the switch in the 4th qtr and we didn't get a first down. I don't think we scored in the second half.
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Jacksonville St. demolishing Sam Houston at the Half..Look for the Bison's defense to come up big in the title game. Funny thing about this our offense had more success against their defense then just about anyone did this year
Then they flipped the switch in the 4th qtr and we didn't get a first down. I don't think we scored in the second half.
It was pretty much like that the entire season. Never knew what you would get from series to series, half to half or week to week..this team needs to learn to play 4 quarters the entire season
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I think line play was a big part of that as well. Too tired, too soon.
That being said Jacksonville State has no chance. Their offense is exactly like ours, their defense is as limited as ours. They use pressure & once you get past it, you can do anything against them.This will be the 5th time I have seen them this year. Time Warner must love JSU :)
Just as they did against the Guins; expect NDSU to have several big strikes for scores. As compared to YSU, JSU has a better pass attack over the middle, but our passing in the flats is better (we have more speed).
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YSU offense: Q4 vs NDSU:
Points: 0
First downs: 0
Yards: minus 5
If YSU burned clock in Q4 by going in the "victory formation" each play before punting, we may have possibly prevented that last late NDSU TD with only 29 seconds left. The Wolf was criticized for not playing 4 quarters. Now what is the constant between the offense of the Wolf era and this season? Hmmmmm........
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YSU offense: Q4 vs NDSU:
IMO, when we were leading going into the 4th Q, we started getting tired and getting conservative. We did not want Wells to throw the ball beside handing it off. Since Wells was not mobile and since the other team knew we were going to handoff or throw short passes to the backs, we had no chance in getting a first down.
When our defense could not hold being on the field for the entire 4th quarter, we lost those games. It was pretty the same during either the Wolf or Bo era.
We need to have a QB the coach can trust so we could go down field to either score or run off some clock.
Otherwise, history will continue to repeat itself.
Points: 0
First downs: 0
Yards: minus 5
If YSU burned clock in Q4 by going in the "victory formation" each play before punting, we may have possibly prevented that last late NDSU TD with only 29 seconds left. The Wolf was criticized for not playing 4 quarters. Now what is the constant between the offense of the Wolf era and this season? Hmmmmm........
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The debate over the NDS loss will wage on forever. Harvin makes the catch we win. Defense finds a way to make a stop we win. Bo pays attention to the clock and keeps his cool we have a chance. In the mean time the #3 draft eligible Qb for the NFL draft is sidelined and a red shirt freshman is on the verge of leading the Bison to its fifth consecutive championship. While Qb play is pivotal and the most focused upon of any other position in the end it's all about the system
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Great post fever. Yea and we probably dropped 50 balls this year. And other than Kennedy our special teams were not that special. Plus we lost our Left tackle and ....somehow everybody thinks it will just be fixed with another QB. Oh well.