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I agree football is a team sport and to say that one player is the problem i unfair. Even Coach Pelini when asked point blank about him changing Quarterbacks chuckled and said that yes Wells made a bad decison but there were other reasons that were affecting the passing game. Davis is the new winkle in the offense so far. But Wells is QB1 and Pelini and Monty are all in with Wells. If Wells lays an egg Saturday then all bets are off. If Wells pulls out the upset Saturday will that make the Davis supporters happy I doubt it. I just want a win that's all. Go Guins!
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I have asked many time for people to put topics in one thread. Quite frankly I am tired of reading anti-Wells and anti-Montgomery stuff by the same couple of people all the time. Please keep it in here so that I can more easily ignore it.
Right now you have a QB coach working all game with all 3 quarterbacks. Gary is gone and no one wants to see Mays lose his red-shirt ...so you have 2 quarterbacks. You have two things that work well with Davis at QB ...the keeper and the sweep-toss. Of course I have always loved the option, but that is not what we are at this point. Everything else works better Wells taking snaps. Wells is a solid passer, with skills beyond our level; but consistency is an issue. Then again, if he was consistently that good ...he would not be here.
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As I see it, with our O line problems and lack of a big back, we need the QB to have the threat of running to keep the defense honest and to give the QB a chance when pass blocking breaks down. Wells can't do those things so the run game is slowed and the pass game must happen fast so he doesn't get sacked. That leads to the interceptions due to the quick read needed to avoid the sack. Pass plays never get extended with Wells. So from what I have seen, only Davis can get us over those issues and give us a chance to win against top opponents. Not sure what his other issues are, but the coaches must think they are significant.
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I agree that Wells is the best QB. The issue is that he is not progressing as he should be. Why is that? I say it is coaching.
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Wells in not the perfect QB. Montgomery is not the perfect OC. I am not the perfect hardware guy. My guess is anyone reading this is perfect either. GOOD GRIEF, the game was 47-7!! Yes, MSU was terrible. That was the worst beat down I've ever seen vs a MVFC team. In fact, it was among the worst against anybody, and I've seen a lot of them! Can't we find anything positive going into NDSU?
My observations from Saturday are as follows. We have had issues running inside since we changed 3 OL early in the year, but Saturday we did an outstanding job getting around the corner with good ol' "student body right" runs. They may be young up front, but maybe a little more mobile and something to exploit. Especially since our backs lack size, but speed is OK.
Secondly, Hunter is pretty deadly on crossing patterns in the middle, both intermediate and deeper "skinny post" patterns. However, he has a real tendency to float the ball to the outside, setting up several INTs this season. I believe key to next two games is running wide and throwing across the middle.
Thirdly, after the Wolford years, we finally are playing the kind of D that wins games. We don’t have all great players, but we play hard and we play aggressively, and although it isn’t always pretty to watch, it continues to get better. Win or lose Saturday, we are on the right track. We have a lot of good young players and we are improving.
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I have asked many time for people to put topics in one thread. Quite frankly I am tired of reading anti-Wells and anti-Montgomery stuff by the same couple of people all the time. Please keep it in here so that I can more easily ignore it.
It's almost the season to mock Jerry! :D
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I have asked many time for people to put topics in one thread. Quite frankly I am tired of reading anti-Wells and anti-Montgomery stuff by the same couple of people all the time. Please keep it in here so that I can more easily ignore it.
Right now you have a QB coach working all game with all 3 quarterbacks. Gary is gone and no one wants to see Mays lose his red-shirt ...so you have 2 quarterbacks. You have two things that work well with Davis at QB ...the keeper and the sweep-toss. Of course I have always loved the option, but that is not what we are at this point. Everything else works better Wells taking snaps. Wells is a solid passer, with skills beyond our level; but consistency is an issue. Then again, if he was consistently that good ...he would not be here.
OK, I get it - you're sold on Wells and Montgomery
I remember last year when Montgomery was asked if he would go after Cardale if he left Ohio State he said Wells was the better QB of the two. Cardale has a receive corps decimated by injuries and Wells has an O-line in the same boat, but I would tread lightly on "skills beyond our level".
I think it would help to have a mobile QB when the O-line is beat up. Wells can run, he just doesn't.
As far a Tanner - he screwed up. It just amazes me to see how the band wagon is big on second, third and fourth chances when the player is top ranked, but a situation like Tanner and it is all good that the hammer came down.
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I have asked many time for people to put topics in one thread. Quite frankly I am tired of reading anti-Wells and anti-Montgomery stuff by the same couple of people all the time. Please keep it in here so that I can more easily ignore it.
Right now you have a QB coach working all game with all 3 quarterbacks. Gary is gone and no one wants to see Mays lose his red-shirt ...so you have 2 quarterbacks. You have two things that work well with Davis at QB ...the keeper and the sweep-toss. Of course I have always loved the option, but that is not what we are at this point. Everything else works better Wells taking snaps. Wells is a solid passer, with skills beyond our level; but consistency is an issue. Then again, if he was consistently that good ...he would not be here.
OK, I get it - you're sold on Wells and Montgomery
I remember last year when Montgomery was asked if he would go after Cardale if he left Ohio State he said Wells was the better QB of the two. Cardale has a receive corps decimated by injuries and Wells has an O-line in the same boat, but I would tread lightly on "skills beyond our level".
I think it would help to have a mobile QB when the O-line is beat up. Wells can run, he just doesn't.
As far a Tanner - he screwed up. It just amazes me to see how the band wagon is big on second, third and fourth chances when the player is top ranked, but a situation like Tanner and it is all good that the hammer came down.
I had no idea why Tanner was off the team. I was under the impression he quit?
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I had no idea why Tanner was off the team. I was under the impression he quit?
Not initially - if he did quit it was not his idea. Too bad, he put in a lot of time and supported his team even knowing his chances.
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Neither Wells or Davis will be the quarterback next year. Pelini will find a quick fix transfer who can throw and run, then begin grooming a quarterback to his liking. Listen closely to Pelini, it drives him crazy that Wells is soft and not only cannot run, he is scared.
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Pelini may have to find a quick fix transfer.
If Montgomery takes his top talents to a higher status program like some argue, he will take Wells with him.
Ricky probably won't be back.
Probably lose Bell also and a few more.
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Pelini may have to find a quick fix transfer.
If Montgomery takes his top talents to a higher status program like some argue, he will take Wells with him.
Ricky probably won't be back.
Probably lose Bell also and a few more.
Bell? Matt Bell, the guard/center? Sometimes I can't tell if you guys are kidding or not.
Our OC STINKS! Our OL STINKS! Our QB STINK! and so why would you worry if they all left?
(For the record, IMO our OC, OL and QB's do NOT stink)
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I have asked many time for people to put topics in one thread. Quite frankly I am tired of reading anti-Wells and anti-Montgomery stuff by the same couple of people all the time. Please keep it in here so that I can more easily ignore it.
Right now you have a QB coach working all game with all 3 quarterbacks. Gary is gone and no one wants to see Mays lose his red-shirt ...so you have 2 quarterbacks. You have two things that work well with Davis at QB ...the keeper and the sweep-toss. Of course I have always loved the option, but that is not what we are at this point. Everything else works better Wells taking snaps. Wells is a solid passer, with skills beyond our level; but consistency is an issue. Then again, if he was consistently that good ...he would not be here.
OK, I get it - you're sold on Wells and Montgomery
I remember last year when Montgomery was asked if he would go after Cardale if he left Ohio State he said Wells was the better QB of the two. Cardale has a receive corps decimated by injuries and Wells has an O-line in the same boat, but I would tread lightly on "skills beyond our level".
I think it would help to have a mobile QB when the O-line is beat up. Wells can run, he just doesn't.
As far a Tanner - he screwed up. It just amazes me to see how the band wagon is big on second, third and fourth chances when the player is top ranked, but a situation like Tanner and it is all good that the hammer came down.
I am certainly sold on coach Montgomery; have been for some years now. However, if we keep making him alter his offense to the point where we have no misdirection ...he may choose take other offers. I am not sold on Wells or Davis. Not certain that we will bring in a JUCO, I would think that the progression of all 3 QB's will be the determining factor there. Again coach M is a system coach and it takes just as much effort to teach a JUCO, as it does to teach an underclassman that system. I am not in favor of putting in a large effort for a year.
Wells and Davis have made unbelievable changes in the past few weeks ...let's just see if their progression continues. I am very happy with 2 of our underclassmen on the O-Line. If Cole continues to progress, I am very happy with our chances to win out.
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1-AA, I get the feeling it's you and me aginst the world supporting our players and coaches. Yes they make mistakes. Yes they are not perfect, but there the best we have and I root for them and hope they win each week. Frankly I've see a couple QB's far better than Wells and Davis here, and a bunch worse. I still think Hunter can get far better, but this hate mongering with Montgomery is getting tiring. Good grief, sometimes I actually think some of these guys think THEY could do better!! How funny is that? Think they are Vince Lombardi bolting bumpers on a car at GM for a living.
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Bell? Matt Bell, the guard/center? Sometimes I can't tell if you guys are kidding or not.
Our OC STINKS! Our OL STINKS! Our QB STINK! and so why would you worry if they all left?
(For the record, IMO our OC, OL and QB's do NOT stink)
Not sure what the diatribe about "STINKS" has to do with my posts.
Just curious, you state you support our players but enjoy calling Julius Childs 'Julia'.
Any particular reason?
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1-AA, I get the feeling it's you and me aginst the world supporting our players and coaches. Yes they make mistakes. Yes they are not perfect, but there the best we have and I root for them and hope they win each week. Frankly I've see a couple QB's far better than Wells and Davis here, and a bunch worse. I still think Hunter can get far better, but this hate mongering with Montgomery is getting tiring. Good grief, sometimes I actually think some of these guys think THEY could do better!! How funny is that? Think they are Vince Lombardi bolting bumpers on a car at GM for a living.
While I have been critical of the qb play and montgomery at times, I'm pro players and pro montgomery. Our offense has NOT been the problem under montgomery. I think the issue this year has been injuries ect. Its hard to say its his system when it has worked for the past so many years. Evidently not a popular viewpoint here, but in any case we shouldn't be arguing amongst ourselves like this. We're all YSU fans, lets support our team!
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Bell? Matt Bell, the guard/center? Sometimes I can't tell if you guys are kidding or not.
Our OC STINKS! Our OL STINKS! Our QB STINK! and so why would you worry if they all left?
(For the record, IMO our OC, OL and QB's do NOT stink)
Not sure what the diatribe about "STINKS" has to do with my posts.
Just curious, you state you support our players but enjoy calling Julius Childs 'Julia'.
Any particular reason?
Couple points here. It is my strange sense of humor reacting to his mother's strange sense of humor. And he is a grown adult, not one of our players anymore. While kids in school, hopefully student athletes in the true meaning of the words, they get a pass from me. Once they are out in the world, grown and hopefully educated adults they are fair game to me. I rooted for Jeff Ryan every game, but now that he is "history" at YSU, he was a showboat, and not a winner and I was glad to see him go. I thought Childs was the worst corner I’d ever seen, still do, but I rooted for him every game.
You never used the word stinks; it is my dramatic license, if you will. But the clear theme here is Hunter is bad and Montgomery is worse. I think both sentiments are 180 degrees incorrect.
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You know, it would be nice if every player red-shirted year-1; scout-teamed year-2, made the roster & scouted in year-3, moved-up and saw playing time in year-4, started in year-5. Unfortunately it does not always happen this way. 2 QB's left our system, which meant no back-up for Hess. So a true frosh ended-up in the starting spot. In reality, he should just be seeing the roster & getting serious work with coach Shane for the first time. Yet he is starting his 14th-game this week. Things are going to come out in every player at this point in their careers & decisions had to be made. So far, coach M has decided to accelerate Davis' training, dropped a nice option package & gave a nice injection into the offense in his use fo Davis.
I do not blame anyone. Wolf is gone & he did have 3-QB's. I respect Montgomery for making the decision to try Nania (even though we all knew it was probably not going to workout). So I also have to respect his decision to start Wells over Davis. I now respect his decision (and ability) to infuse Davis into the offense. However, let's remember that we have a post-season shot & this is not the time to make any abrupt changes in the skill positions.
This being said, we need to let Montgomery put some of his magic back into the offense. Moving to a new QB simply means another 2-years of vanilla. I do blame Montgomery & coach Carm for being short-staffed on the O-Line. That being said, as a team, we were in transition and who knew just how many recruits did not take their offer. I applaud Carm and Monty for being able to bring three "newbies" up to speed in a couple of weeks.
I will not blame anyone for the injuries in our TB's this year & we certainly have quality back-up. I have had questions about coach Bo's hiring of Pepe Pearson, but I do applaud coach M and coach Pepe for keeping our backs going. Pearson is winning me over, but I still suspect that most of this is Montgomery.
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"Pearson is winning me over, but I still suspect that most of this is Montgomery."
What generally happens with people is one guy relates to one coach/mentor/boss and the other one relates better to a different person. Probably the case here. What i do know is we could REALLY use Brock E and Ryan Moore on the OL and RB right about now!
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"Pearson is winning me over, but I still suspect that most of this is Montgomery."
What generally happens with people is one guy relates to one coach/mentor/boss and the other one relates better to a different person. Probably the case here. What i do know is we could REALLY use Brock E and Ryan Moore on the OL and RB right about now!
A few points:
Ryan said that Pearson has helped greatly with blocking and field of vision. He could have played mid to late season, but hoped not to burn the chance at a medical red shirt. If you have seen him lately, he is a monster.
Brock probably won't be back, but that is based on the computer test for concussions, which I am told he cannot pass. (That may be the flaw in that type of test; don't know).
I think you will see the benefits of Pearson during recruiting.
We will see what the offensive brain trust does this game. Can't leave the defense on the field with several 3 and outs and a short field. Clock management will be crucial if we can hang with the Bisons.
The D is nursing some injuries too so a well coached game will be critical.
I hope you and IAA are back on here Saturday evening telling me: "I told you so!"
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and for the record:
If Matt Bell does not come back next year it will be due to health issues. Nothing to do with coaches or players. He is smart and a gamer!
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and for the record:
If Matt Bell does not come back next year it will be due to health issues. Nothing to do with coaches or players. He is smart and a gamer!
Does he have health issues that have the potential to cause him to drop the program? I didn't bring his dropping up, YOU did!
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"Bell? Matt Bell, the guard/center? Sometimes I can't tell if you guys are kidding or not. "
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"Bell? Matt Bell, the guard/center? Sometimes I can't tell if you guys are kidding or not. "
Are you saying you didn't start this Bell "stuff" If so, They I am respectfully calling you out!
Posted by: ScarletRook
« on: November 10, 2015, 03:09:49 PM » Insert Quote
Pelini may have to find a quick fix transfer.
If Montgomery takes his top talents to a higher status program like some argue, he will take Wells with him.
Ricky probably won't be back.
Probably lose Bell also and a few more.
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"Bell? Matt Bell, the guard/center? Sometimes I can't tell if you guys are kidding or not. "
Are you saying you didn't start this Bell "stuff" If so, They I am respectfully calling you out!
Posted by: ScarletRook
« on: November 10, 2015, 03:09:49 PM » Insert Quote
Pelini may have to find a quick fix transfer.
If Montgomery takes his top talents to a higher status program like some argue, he will take Wells with him.
Ricky probably won't be back.
Probably lose Bell also and a few more.
This is funny: "If Montgomery takes his top talents to a higher status program like some argue, he will take Wells with him."
You are kidding right! Lol.
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Some here are delusional, Montgomery to a higher level program and take Wells with him. Montgomery has done nothing here. In big games his teams can't run the ball. What happened against South Dakota State. Wells has not progressed at all, might have gone backwards, where is this QB guru Montgomery is supposed to be. If Montgomery is so good, why is he lingering here for 6 years?
Wells throws a pick 6 every week, not only can he not run, he scared of contact. Didn't Montgomery get fired as head coach at Miami Ohio? fired as asst at Akron? What has he done?
In games against equal or better talent, our offense falls on its face. Let's see if he proves me wrong Saturday.
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Are you saying you didn't start this Bell "stuff" If so, They I am respectfully calling you out!
Posted by: ScarletRook
« on: November 10, 2015, 03:09:49 PM » Insert Quote
Absolutely not denying it! This is a QB thread not Bell or Brock, just my 2 cents on injuries and other problems. I wish nothing but the best for these young men. Wish the best for the Guins on Saturday. If it is Montgomery and Wells that leads them to the promise lands then I am fine with that.
I am ending this discussion as it is meaningless. If you won - so be it. This isn't a personal grudge between us.
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Rook, you are a very strange dude. You bring an OL into a conversation regarding QB's and they end the tread because I'M off track?
No grude from me, you don't seem worth it.
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If Monty left I am sure Wells would go too. Wells is on record on how he feels for him.
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If Monty left I am sure Wells would go too. Wells is on record on how he feels for him.
So you are saying that Wells is more of a Monty fan than a YSU fan, interesting.
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Is Tanner Garry back with the Team? I see he is back on the roster
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That would be great. Nice to have our preseason all-america selection back with the program!
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That would be great. Nice to have our preseason all-america selection back with the program!
LOL I forgot about that
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I rooted for Jeff Ryan every game, but now that he is "history" at YSU, he was a showboat, and not a winner and I was glad to see him go.
Ryan would have picked up the 2 point conversion against ILS by sacrificing his body, as opposed to going to the ground at the 1/2 yard line without ever being touched.
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I rooted for Jeff Ryan every game, but now that he is "history" at YSU, he was a showboat, and not a winner and I was glad to see him go.
Ryan would have picked up the 2 point conversion against ILS by sacrificing his body, as opposed to going to the ground at the 1/2 yard line without ever being touched.
You have to score the TD before anybody goes for anything! If that's all you have to offer, you're a sad case.
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I rooted for Jeff Ryan every game, but now that he is "history" at YSU, he was a showboat, and not a winner and I was glad to see him go.
Ryan would have picked up the 2 point conversion against ILS by sacrificing his body, as opposed to going to the ground at the 1/2 yard line without ever being touched.
You have to score the TD before anybody goes for anything! If that's all you have to offer, you're a sad case.
How soon we forget about the execution on the blocked extra point that made us go for 2 in that situation
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Jeff Ryan was one of the better quarterbacks YSU has had. How many more Ricky Davis, Tanner Gary, Hunter Wells and whoever the hell else do we need to see? The QB play has been awful outside of Zetts since Ryan left, if you can't see that you should get your eyes checked, just saying. The last time we had a good QB was Zetts and look we went deep into the playoffs that year.
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We would have still gone for two because we went for two once before in the game to make it a 3 point game at one point. Had we made the extra point we would have not done that
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You'd think this was men's tennis. Only the #1 singles match matters. Let me count....... Yes, 21 other guys + special teams besides the QB. Ryan, Zetts, Hess, and Wells. I'm sure you could pick games each we primarily responsible for a loss, but same for a pulling out a win too. Team sport, team wins, team loses, not the QB. Hess had a ton of yards, TD’s and loses because gave up too many points. Not all on QB. Not all on DC either, good or bad. Team sport and we will need great effort from all 3 units tomorrow.
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QB and the "system" Montgomery employs are two different animals. Ryan wasn't a great QB but he was a good athlete who played QB. Ryan was successful because they LIMITED what they had him do and he had good instincts to know when to pull it down and run and not always looking good doing it. Hess was a decent QB but he was shoehorned into a system and kept there by Montgomery. Montgomery doesn't use a QBs talent, he forces the qb TO PLAY IN HIS SYSTEM. Years ago, QB were recruited for their ABILITIES and then plays were put in for them. Montgomery puts in his SYSTEM and forces QBs to play into that system disregarding their abilities. That is what is going on now . When Hess graduated, the cupboard was bare -- Wells drove DAILY to YSU and worked under Montgomery learning the system. He had a BIG leg up over Davis who was in the Cincy area . Yet the "sy st em" was employed and the actual talents of the QBs ignored. Majot mistake. Best QB are those who have plays put into the O for them, not some coaches "ideal" system and force players to play in it. Wells nor davis will never be good here because of that. It would alos help to recruit to SPECIFIC skill sets in QB recruits and not bring in QBs and force them to do things they didn't and don't do.
Football 101
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Best QB are those who have plays put into the O for them, not some coaches "ideal" system and force players to play in it. Wells nor davis will never be good here because of that. It would alos help to recruit to SPECIFIC skill sets in QB recruits and not bring in QBs and force them to do things they didn't and don't do.
Football 101
Agree completely
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I rooted for Jeff Ryan every game, but now that he is "history" at YSU, he was a showboat, and not a winner and I was glad to see him go.
Ryan would have picked up the 2 point conversion against ILS by sacrificing his body, as opposed to going to the ground at the 1/2 yard line without ever being touched.
You have to score the TD before anybody goes for anything! If that's all you have to offer, you're a sad case.
The point I was trying to make was that Ryan would do whatever it takes to win. A trait that young Wells has not yet shown. Hopefully it surfaces beginning this weekend.
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Better example -- watch Ohio St. They have used 3 QBs recently and each had different abilities. They put in "packages" of plays for each and when one of them plays , their play selection comes from their package . Each QB is successful because of the package used for him. OSU does not try to force a QB to do what his abilities aren't suited for.
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Pally we rarely agree but I agree with u about Monty not adjusting to what the QB skill set is. Ryan was a good athlete and a leader. But he also had a better set of players around him.
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QB and the "system" Montgomery employs are two different animals. Ryan wasn't a great QB but he was a good athlete who played QB. Ryan was successful because they LIMITED what they had him do and he had good instincts to know when to pull it down and run and not always looking good doing it. Hess was a decent QB but he was shoehorned into a system and kept there by Montgomery. Montgomery doesn't use a QBs talent, he forces the qb TO PLAY IN HIS SYSTEM. Years ago, QB were recruited for their ABILITIES and then plays were put in for them. Montgomery puts in his SYSTEM and forces QBs to play into that system disregarding their abilities. That is what is going on now . When Hess graduated, the cupboard was bare -- Wells drove DAILY to YSU and worked under Montgomery learning the system. He had a BIG leg up over Davis who was in the Cincy area . Yet the "sy st em" was employed and the actual talents of the QBs ignored. Majot mistake. Best QB are those who have plays put into the O for them, not some coaches "ideal" system and force players to play in it. Wells nor davis will never be good here because of that. It would alos help to recruit to SPECIFIC skill sets in QB recruits and not bring in QBs and force them to do things they didn't and don't do.
Football 101
Awful lot of BS to say one thing ...you don't like a system guy. Point made, not shared. This is not Jim Tressel football, there are other options to offer off-tackle left, than off tackle right. When your line is weak in the middle, you need to get outside ...football 101.
PS: Monty recruited those QB's ...he knows who they are and what they can do. Clearly you do not. If you are going to make anti-system comments, say something that makes sense ,,,i.e.: we score too quickly and that places our defense on the field too much. Or, we do not have sufficient "vanilla" offensive resources to properly imitate opposing offenses for scout team purposes.
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Sorry I-AA, but cannot agree with you on this one, you are wrong. Pally is 100% correct.
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You are a Monty/Wells hater as well, so I am not losing sleep over who agrees or not. It is just another case of Paladin stating the obvious & we are supposed to think he is something. The only thing missing is his "I predicted this months ago" back when we all know that he really said absolutely nothing. Everyone acts as as though coach M does not see what is going on. The reality is that he sees more than we do ...and he is trying to do something about it. In reality I have been highly impressed with Montgomery these past couple of weeks ...and his ability to adapt and work with his guys.
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I personally think it's been impressive what the offense has been able to accomplish considering the adversity and obstacles they have faced
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QB and the "system" Montgomery employs are two different animals. Ryan wasn't a great QB but he was a good athlete who played QB. Ryan was successful because they LIMITED what they had him do and he had good instincts to know when to pull it down and run and not always looking good doing it. Hess was a decent QB but he was shoehorned into a system and kept there by Montgomery. Montgomery doesn't use a QBs talent, he forces the qb TO PLAY IN HIS SYSTEM. Years ago, QB were recruited for their ABILITIES and then plays were put in for them. Montgomery puts in his SYSTEM and forces QBs to play into that system disregarding their abilities. That is what is going on now . When Hess graduated, the cupboard was bare -- Wells drove DAILY to YSU and worked under Montgomery learning the system. He had a BIG leg up over Davis who was in the Cincy area . Yet the "sy st em" was employed and the actual talents of the QBs ignored. Majot mistake. Best QB are those who have plays put into the O for them, not some coaches "ideal" system and force players to play in it. Wells nor davis will never be good here because of that. It would alos help to recruit to SPECIFIC skill sets in QB recruits and not bring in QBs and force them to do things they didn't and don't do.
Football 101
Excellent post.
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Well, its gameday fellas! Time to go support your guins regardless of who the coach or QB is. LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!!
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I expect to see quite a bit of Ricky Davis today. Whether it get's us that illustrious W remains to be seen.
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I expect to see quite a bit of Ricky Davis today. Whether it get's us that illustrious W remains to be seen.
I agree, and will add it will be out of necessity due to the rush D. Mobile QBs have fared better vs. NDSU this season.
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Next year Montgomery gone & transfer QB.
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Next year Montgomery gone & transfer QB.
Look at how Vad Lee has changed JMU. If anyone can get a FBS QB, it's BP.
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Let me "point out " Monty's "skill" at QB recruiting -- he recruited the kid who transfered to the Rock ( he was a H.S. WING T QB, bootlegs, etc.), Davis, who was a dual threat ( running & passing ) and Wells, who was a passing QB in a Spread. What do all 3 have in common for YSU's O ? Add in the kid from Urbana. How does that relate to YSU's O ? I could go on and on.
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I personally think it's been impressive what the offense has been able to accomplish considering the adversity and obstacles they have faced
With our crippled O-Line there was a chance that the game could get even uglier than NDSU's beatdown of WIU last week(59-7)--a few better punts and a few less dropped passes and this was ours--you can't make mistakes like that against a team that has won 4 straight NC's and expect to win.
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Let me "point out " Monty's "skill" at QB recruiting -- he recruited the kid who transfered to the Rock ( he was a H.S. WING T QB, bootlegs, etc.), Davis, who was a dual threat ( running & passing ) and Wells, who was a passing QB in a Spread. What do all 3 have in common for YSU's O ? Add in the kid from Urbana. How does that relate to YSU's O ? I could go on and on.
Please do, because you certainly have not made a single point so far.
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Let me "point out " Monty's "skill" at QB recruiting -- he recruited the kid who transfered to the Rock ( he was a H.S. WING T QB, bootlegs, etc.), Davis, who was a dual threat ( running & passing ) and Wells, who was a passing QB in a Spread. What do all 3 have in common for YSU's O ? Add in the kid from Urbana. How does that relate to YSU's O ? I could go on and on.
Please do, because you certainly have not made a single point so far.
smile
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I can guarantee that next years starting QB is not on this years roster. Plain and simple.
GO GUINS
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Bo likes Shane Montgomery and the job he does. I think Monty stays and it will be a open competition in the spring between Davis and Wells. If anything they will go the transfer route for added depth at wide receiver. Starting all over with a New system/coordinator/ quarterback could take years to develop. Your better off to stick with what you have especially being as competitive as they have been in the Missouri this season
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I made my point and some here agreed. YOU simply don't like the point.
This was supposed to be a SUCCESSFUL year with all the returning starters and lettermen coming back, plus big time transfers, and lead by a "BIG TIME" coach. I warned you last year there was a QB problem here and did so again pre-seasson this year. I've added the basis for that problem with the coaching staff and their problem in utilizing /recruiting QBs.
This isn't going away. You may be stuck with it for some time. "Montyball " ! ;D
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Bo likes Shane Montgomery and the job he does. I think Monty stays and it will be a open competition in the spring between Davis and Wells. If anything they will go the transfer route for added depth at wide receiver. Starting all over with a New system/coordinator/ quarterback could take years to develop. Your better off to stick with what you have especially being as competitive as they have been in the Missouri this season
If he stays, god help us all.
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I made my point and some here agreed. YOU simply don't like the point.
This was supposed to be a SUCCESSFUL year with all the returning starters and lettermen coming back, plus big time transfers, and lead by a "BIG TIME" coach. I warned you last year there was a QB problem here and did so again pre-seasson this year. I've added the basis for that problem with the coaching staff and their problem in utilizing /recruiting QBs.
This isn't going away. You may be stuck with it for some time. "Montyball " ! ;D
and everyone told you that you were full of crap about the expectations this year. New staff and nobody had any idea what to expect. SO nobody was talking ...maybe hoping :)
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Nothing pisses me off more when you Pally spread your BS on what you think you know. You don't like or have liked anything about YSU in years. You b**** and moan but for what. I can see if you spent money or supported our athletic programs but you don't. People like you are the problem in our area full of BS, want something for free and think you know it all but know sh**. I donate time and money to the school that gave me a great education and I believe and want our athletics to do good. If you had spent a little money and went to some events. You would have known what Pelinis expectations were.
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I made my point and some here agreed. YOU simply don't like the point.
This was supposed to be a SUCCESSFUL year with all the returning starters and lettermen coming back, plus big time transfers, and lead by a "BIG TIME" coach. I warned you last year there was a QB problem here and did so again pre-seasson this year. I've added the basis for that problem with the coaching staff and their problem in utilizing /recruiting QBs.
This isn't going away. You may be stuck with it for some time. "Montyball " ! ;D
Quit acting like a UNI fan speaking in generalities as a Monday morning QB. As bad as Montgomery is at development of his Qb and the piss poor play calling we are still a combined 5 points away over two games from being a playoff lock; not to mention that the team is actually improving and has made some significant strides in the last month which is unlike Wolford's teams that regressed and collapsed. Do you think NDSU coaches and players want to deal with YSU again? There is no way they want any part of a rematch. I will honestly tell you that when we beat them at their gym in 2013 that was a fluke. They had a letdown game similar to their game with USD this year. However, NDSU came to play this time and this was not a fluke. We pushed them around for 3 quarters until we got cute on offense and had a collapse on special teams and a coaching meltdown.
That was our game to lose and we were able to snatch defeat front the jaws of victory. There is still a chance we could get into the playoffs but it is very remote. We need to smoke Indiana State to have that chance.
Next year is going to be a great year for us if we continue to improve. NDSU had difficulty with our skill people and our lines. When they played Montana and lost the opening game they had trouble with the skilled people and there were some ridiculous plays that went in Montana's favor. Montana's lines were not as good as ours and they had the advantage in that it was the first game of the year facing a retooled NDSU defense.
NDSU was playing their best ball of the year, we dominated for nearly 3 quarters before we gave the game away. This wasn't an outlier performance by NDSU or YSU. This was a legitimate game with a lot on the line and the experienced champion found a way to win it by capitalizing on our poor special teams play, stupid offensive play calling and a coach that has multiple amygdala hijacks each game.
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I forgot to mention, on the NDSU broadcast even they noted how Wells was a great and promising freshman and has really made no progress as a soph. Not entirely unheard of, sophomore slump is a term that has been used on lots of players all over the country.
If they can tell that, from their limited exposure, its hard to argue against.
I don't want to knock the kid, could be coaching, could be he has plateaued.
Neither look good for our coaching staff as they are responsible for talent evaluation and improving the players.
If we don't see improvement in that position, with him or otherwise, that needs corrected at a coaching level. That assumes current O staff is retained for next year which seems like it might be the case.
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Honest opinion here, I don't think the coaching has anything to do with the Quarterback play. Wells lost confidence early in the season with all the dropped passes and the continued drops and the injuries on the offensive line. I think that was a big part of what affected his mechanics as the season went on. Ricky has a great arm but lacks the confidence to throw into coverage because he hasn't been given enough opportunity to do so..since the playoffs are gone I say let each one have equal playing time against Indiana st. and give Ricky every opportunity to throw and go from there..I don't think a 2 quarterback system is something that the coaching staff wants going into next season
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Never fails. Spend your $$$$$$$$$$$ for decades on Penguin Club seats but don't have an opinion. Not allowed. Stop coming to games and buying tickets and still keep your opinion to yourself.
Look in the mirror. The problems are not going away.
Thank your bean counter.
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Wells had a bad season because he cannot run the ball and is afraid to run the ball. He proved that on one play against ILSr and this past week against NDSU when he slid 5 yards to early and almost did not make a first down. He is afraid to take a hit and lacks some toughness that we are used to at QB at YSU. Without the threat of being able to both pass and run, the Montgomery offense will not work. Why even run the spread option with him in there when you know he is not going to read the Defensive End to see if he crashes on the back or if he can pull the ball and go around end of some yards. He got our backs killed all year by never being able to pull the ball from the mesh and the end would just continually crash and kill Ruiz. In college you need someone that can be a dual threat, in the pros you can be a drop back passer like Brady and Manning. Running QB's don't last long in the pros, but in college they do. Like I stated before, next years starting qb is not on this years roster. Straight from the horses mouth if you know what I mean!!
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Well said Pete. I will disagree just slightly. I do not think you have to be able to run for Montgomery's offense, as a bulk of the run game is your TB's; but you do have to have some mobility. Look how many points we racked-up with Hess in there.
You know who I would think could do real well in coach M's offense ...does anybody remember Brandon Summers? Deadly in the pocket, with really nice running carrying skills.
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Let Ricky play the entire game tomorrow. Time to find out what he can do.
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Play the guy that gives us the best chance to win
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Well said Pete. I will disagree just slightly. I do not think you have to be able to run for Montgomery's offense, as a bulk of the run game is your TB's; but you do have to have some mobility. Look how many points we racked-up with Hess in there.
You know who I would think could do real well in coach M's offense ...does anybody remember Brandon Summers? Deadly in the pocket, with really nice running carrying skills.
The QB has to have the option to run or give with the spread option. That mesh and fake is key to the offense. If they know he is giving it every time...a Pop Warner coach could stop it. The only difference between this offense and the classic read belly option and read option is that we had the likes if Trenton Lykes, Ray Issac, Nick Cochran, Mark Brundgard, Jeff Ryan, Zwick, Tidwell, etc... who could go down the line and turn it up field when they did not pitch...you had to respect both...with Wells there is no respect for him to run. When you throw in the third option of being able to fake the give, keep and then the ability to throw the ball...that is when you have a triple threat QB that must be respected by the defense. Until then...we will not be the offensive threat that we need to be. Those previous QB's had the triple threat. Wells only has one and that is questionable at times also. To be able to run as a QB you have to be tough...he is not. He is afraid and that paralysis through analysis has killed him this year. I wait to see who coach goes out and gets...most likely a JUCO or D1 transfer at QB like Roberson and I imagine with his connections it happens sooner than later.
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Nothing new here. I told you LAST year that Wells would NEVER start for four years. Ability level just isn't there. Yet the "experts" here was saying that since he started as a Frosh, he was a lock.
Ohio St. must know something that YSU doesn't -- they ALWAYS try to field a run/pass QB and thats also what they recruit.
Football 101
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Nothing new here. I told you LAST year that Wells would NEVER start for four years. Ability level just isn't there. Yet the "experts" here was saying that since he started as a Frosh, he was a lock.
Ohio St. must know something that YSU doesn't -- they ALWAYS try to field a run/pass QB and thats also what they recruit.
Football 101
Okay expert & prognosticator. You hate everyone that has ever taken a snap, so Let's see your post ...I keep them a year minimum. Oh and BTW ...Cardale???
Paladin: BullCrapper 101
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Wells stinks. He will be at Edinboro next year. Monty will be at Akron. If they are here we will not smell the playoffs.
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We punted at least 8 times, got only 12 first downs, scored only 10 points and lost the TOP by 10 minutes against Indiana State. You've got to be kidding me, I can't believe those stats. What a debacle. The offense has regressed.
The defense went from one of the worst in the country to one of the best. How? I'll tell you how....................coaching. Flat out coaching and with only 2 players that were brought in by the new staff. However you can't leave them on the field the entire game and expect to win. The offensive performance was offensive.
By comparison look at what a coaching change has done to Ohio State. Nearly identical team from last year and the OC (a Mooney guy and obvious boob) wrecks the supercar like a novice. NFL talent all over the place and train wrecks it on the biggest stage.
I hate watching our offense shut down against every defense with a pulse. Coaching matters and Montgomery needs to go. Period. To those that defend the OC tell me this: Why do we run a read option with a QB that will never run the ball? Does that make any sense? Does it matter which way the DE crashes when the QB isn't running the ball anyway? They fumbled the ball at the mesh yesterday and every defensive player was attacking the RB. How does the RB have a chance with 9 in the box? How is it an "option" if there is no option? What a disaster. Why does every team shut us down in the second half?
I've had enough of this already. After 5 years of watching him be outclassed, especially in the second half of games, I don't need to see anymore. I have enough data to know that we are like Baylor where we can hang 70 on inferior opponents, but face a decent defense and chances are we fold like a house of cards and lose. How many times have we seen that? Way too many for me. Time to move on and part ways.
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From The Vindicator:
"In all, YSU ran just nine plays in the fourth quarter, gained four combined-yards and failed to pick up a first down. It was an eerily similar performance to last week’s final quarter in which the Penguins blew a 14-point fourth quarter lead to North Dakota State."
Bo Pelini said, "We played terrible on offense. I mean, what are you gonna say?” “I don’t know if we even got a first down in the last quarter and a half."
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Meanwhile, the freaking Citadel will make the playoffs after beating South Carolina. I was wrong earlier. We don't deserve the playoffs. We've done nothing to deserve it. Had we hammered ISUb I could make the argument considering our conference schedule. The playoff filed will look ridiculous outside the blue chips that are always in it. Now the playoffs once in 14 years. Unacceptable.
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Davis should go to Slippery Rock to take over after Dante (who is having a great season - good for him) leaves he will be a big star there. Well's is probably D3 material but I don't think good enough for a Mount Union not tough enough. Definitely does not like contact.