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RANK SCHOOL
1 North Dakota State
2 Sam Houston State
3 Illinois State
4 Villanova
5 Eastern Washington
6 Coastal Carolina
7 Jacksonville State
8 Chattanooga
9 Montana State
10 Youngstown State
11 Northern Iowa
12 James Madison
13 Idaho State
14 Eastern Kentucky
15 Montana
16 Liberty
17 Stephen F. Austin
18 New Hampshire
19 Indiana State
20 Alcorn State
21 Southeastern Louisiana
22 Northern Arizona
23 South Dakota State
24 Charleston Southern
25 Eastern Illinois
http://www.vuhoops.com/villanova-football/2015/5/13/8602987/2015-fcs-football-preseason-polls-sporting-news-puts-north-dakota
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This is decent as far as polls go, although ISUr should be above SHSU, and UNI above YSU. and SDSU should be higher than 23. MVFC well represented with six schools in the top 25. The charade that is Fordham is unranked, which is nice to see. Charleston Southern?......I don't think so.
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This is decent as far as polls go, although ISUr should be above SHSU, and UNI above YSU. and SDSU should be higher than 23. MVFC well represented with six schools in the top 25. The charade that is Fordham is unranked, which is nice to see. Charleston Southern?......I don't think so.
I agree with your analysis.
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Not so sure I'd be bumping Illinois State to #2 with running back Marshaun Coprich suspended. He was HUGE for that offense last year, and he was busted selling drugs to an undercover cop, so it doesn't look at all good.
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Not so sure I'd be bumping Illinois State to #2 with running back Marshaun Coprich suspended. He was HUGE for that offense last year, and he was busted selling drugs to an undercover cop, so it doesn't look at all good.
If Tre Roberson, now a senior, who as a QB was one of the leading MVFC rushers, and the rest of the ISUr team that almost beat NDSU in the title game, played SHSU this season....they would beat them. NDSU ate SHSUs lunch in the playoffs. ISUr had the top MVFC offense last year, not NDSU. Losing Coprich hurts....but they will still go deep in the playoffs in 2015.
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Here's a hilarious attempt at making a poll:
http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/05/lfns-fcs-top-25.html
Dartmouth, Harvard, and Bryant make the top 25......but not YSU or SDSU.
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
3: Villanova Wildcats
4: Illinois State Redbirds
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Chattanooga Mocs
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Liberty Flames
14: Fordham Rams
15: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
16. Indiana St. Sycamores
17: Eastern Illinois Panthers
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Bryant Bulldogs
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: North Carolina A&T Aggie
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I used to care about the polls but not anymore. The only spot that will ever matter is being #1. We are in the best conference so if we can unseat NDSU, it can be done.
Until then, let's just go from week to week, ignoring the rankings, and just WINNING!
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Polls do not matter, all that matters is getting chosen for the playoffs.
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Polls do not matter, all that matters is getting chosen for the playoffs.
But the polls go a LONG way to determine who gets chosen for those peskly old playoffs!
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Really it is only the coaches poll that counts. In that case, I want to start the season as low as possible. It is important to be climbing late in the season, where we have been losing 3 out of the last 4 and falling.
I mean, we could lose a couple of games and as long as we demonstrate progress ...then have a shot at the post-season. Not that there is anything good about any loss, but I also feel that it is important that we stop losing to the teams above us in the standings, as that just makes YSU the conference dividing point when it comes to selections.
If we had to lose 3 conference games ...we would be better off losing to an MVFC bottom-dweller & 2 of three conference top-3 clubs, than losing to all of the top-3. It should not be that way, but it is. That would mean we have a record good enough to get in the play-off field and we have a win over a play-off bound MVFC club. Yet we would have the same record either way. If we can knock off any of the top MVFC clubs ...the selection committee has to take us more seriously.
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All that matters is at the end of the season.
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Some polls matter some. YSU has used favorable polling to promote games. The SRS is a poll of sorts that definitely matters.
Is a "bad loss" negated by a "good win"? I think so if the bad loss is early and the good win is late.
If I were to make a top 25 poll, 8/10 MVFC teams would be ranked...with the understanding that the two unranked teams (USD and MSU) would knock off most average non-MVFC teams..and would place in the upper 30.
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Good wins do usually offset bad losses. I know it's not YSU, but last year OSU had a bad loss against VT and a good win against MSU to get to the Big10 championship game. Other way around? Outta here!
We lose to Missouri State and beat NDSU and we'll be in the playoffs, no doubt in my mind. Other way around, doubtful.
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Polls do not matter, all that matters is getting chosen for the playoffs.
But the polls go a LONG way to determine who gets chosen for those peskly old playoffs!
To clarify my statement, I do not care if we are number 1 or number 20 especially preseason.
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Some polls matter some. YSU has used favorable polling to promote games. The SRS is a poll of sorts that definitely matters.
Is a "bad loss" negated by a "good win"? I think so if the bad loss is early and the good win is late.
If I were to make a top 25 poll, 8/10 MVFC teams would be ranked...with the understanding that the two unranked teams (USD and MSU) would knock off most average non-MVFC teams..and would place in the upper 30.
The SRS is complete bullsh**. It is made up by the committee so they can justify whomever they want to take. Look back 2 years ago they took Sam Houston state over us and we had a better record with more division 1 wins and played in a better conference and had a higher SOS. They were taken over us?
The selection and seeding process is corrupt. I recall mvfc teams being seeded but sent on the road to high school stadiums to play fcs teams that played in weak conferences. Complete bullsh**.
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Some polls matter some. YSU has used favorable polling to promote games. The SRS is a poll of sorts that definitely matters.
Is a "bad loss" negated by a "good win"? I think so if the bad loss is early and the good win is late.
If I were to make a top 25 poll, 8/10 MVFC teams would be ranked...with the understanding that the two unranked teams (USD and MSU) would knock off most average non-MVFC teams..and would place in the upper 30.
The SRS is complete bullsh**. It is made up by the committee so they can justify whomever they want to take. Look back 2 years ago they took Sam Houston state over us and we had a better record with more division 1 wins and played in a better conference and had a higher SOS. They were taken over us?
The selection and seeding process is corrupt. I recall mvfc teams being seeded but sent on the road to high school stadiums to play fcs teams that played in weak conferences. Complete bullsh**.
Your limited vocabulary is disgusting, but your limited knowledge is worse. Sam Houston had a better record in 2012 that YSU. (8-3 vs 8-4 regular season 11-4 overall) Of their 3 regular season losses 1 to Baylor and 1 to Texas A&M, and I don't think we would do well in the SEC either. Yes that was the year we beat Pitt. but we had 4 losses against BCS teams to SHS’s 1 loss. They beat # 12 #2 and #4 ranked teams in the playoffs before losing to the only common opponent to YSU #1 NDSU 38-13 vs. YSU losing to NDSU 48-7. You can make the argument YSU should have made the 2012 playoffs, but not over SHS. So your argument, is vile in it language and flawed in its logic as well.
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The formulas that FBS uses to select bowl participants and now playoff slots are often flawed, but at least they are transparent. You could see each week where your program stood in relation to your rivals. The FCS selection committee will NEVER have credibility and will ALWAYS be open to charges of hypocrisy since they refuse to release any rankings of teams BEFORE the playoffs selections are determined. As penguinpower suggests, that committee has often fabricated post-selection ratings to justify their picks. All the NCAA has to do is release FCS rankings each week from about the sixth week to the conclusion of the regular season. It should be well understood that these rankings will determine ALL the at-large playoff selections. So why does the NCAA refuse to follow this easy procedure? Because it would eliminate the back room dealings and corruption that have been "par for the course" in IAA/FCS football.
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Go Guins,
In 2013, Samford was ranked lower in the SRS than YSU, and received an at-large bid, and YSU did not.
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=38125
I agree with Power that the playoff selection committee has screwed over YSU, because well, I just proved it.
Imagine if in 2013, the higher ranked team, from the better conference, got the at-large bid. Wolford would likely still be our HC, FWIW. Maybe it worked out better this way? Time will tell.
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we cover this all the time. The only way the selections are fair, is to select an EXACTLY even number of teams from each region
8 from the Northeast
8 from the Midwest
8 from the West
8 from the South.
No questions asked ...if you meet the criteria ...you participate. Only the top-2 teams from each conference will go. Each conference has an auto-bid and an at-large bid. So if you want to have super conferences ...better think again.
Annually:
You award 16 conference champions
You award 4 regional champs
You award 2 national finalists
You award one national champion.
West Region Conferences:
1. Big Sky
2. Southland
3. New West Region Conference #1
4. New West Region Conference #2
South Region Conferences:
1. Big South
2. Mid-Eastern Athletic
3. Southern
4. Southwestern Athletic
Northeast Region Conferences:
1. Colonial
2. Northeast
3. Ivy League
4. Patriot League
MidWest Region Conferences:
1. Missouri Valley
2. Ohio Valley
3. Pioneer League
4. New Mid-West Region Conference #1
The requirements must have a minimum number of wins and ONLY count I-AA games. No $$ games do not count. I do not care if you can beat Pitt, as you cannot beat anyone good from your own conference.
The requirements must specify a minimum number of scholarships.
You seed 16-teams from each region. Then you seed the 4 regions
Conference champs are in ...no questions ...as long as they meet the criteria.
If you cannot find enough teams to meet the criteria in a given region, you move to the other conferences, in the order of regional seed and team seed inside that region. It is really that simple. This means that good teams from the MVFC and the CAA are going to sit home, but that is how it must be. EVERY team from EVERY conference has to be on an equal playing field.
FAG (Frequently asked Gripes):
What about the west, where there are less schools?
They will be able to get to 4 conferences. I have always thought that is a conference does not have at least 8 members, it should only be awarded 1 bid to the play-off.
What about these supposedly easier conferences such as the NEC or the Pioneer League?
Well, if you have minimum scholarship requirement, problem solved. Once these schools get to ful scholarship, they will become competitive.
What about a conference that is not doing well such as the SoCon or OVC?
It will balance out & the SoCon would need to add one more team in order to get 2 bids. The reason the OVC stays down is because good recruits do not want to go there; well with a fair system everyone has equal recruiting power.
what is wrong with taking the top-24 and that is it?
Well, first of all, we would never agree. Secondly, why then why would we have any any need for divisions, regions or conferences? We need some organization.
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Some polls matter some. YSU has used favorable polling to promote games. The SRS is a poll of sorts that definitely matters.
Is a "bad loss" negated by a "good win"? I think so if the bad loss is early and the good win is late.
If I were to make a top 25 poll, 8/10 MVFC teams would be ranked...with the understanding that the two unranked teams (USD and MSU) would knock off most average non-MVFC teams..and would place in the upper 30.
The SRS is complete bullsh**. It is made up by the committee so they can justify whomever they want to take. Look back 2 years ago they took Sam Houston state over us and we had a better record with more division 1 wins and played in a better conference and had a higher SOS. They were taken over us?
The selection and seeding process is corrupt. I recall mvfc teams being seeded but sent on the road to high school stadiums to play fcs teams that played in weak conferences. Complete bullsh**.
Your limited vocabulary is disgusting, but your limited knowledge is worse. Sam Houston had a better record in 2012 that YSU. (8-3 vs 8-4 regular season 11-4 overall) Of their 3 regular season losses 1 to Baylor and 1 to Texas A&M, and I don't think we would do well in the SEC either. Yes that was the year we beat Pitt. but we had 4 losses against BCS teams to SHS’s 1 loss. They beat # 12 #2 and #4 ranked teams in the playoffs before losing to the only common opponent to YSU #1 NDSU 38-13 vs. YSU losing to NDSU 48-7. You can make the argument YSU should have made the 2012 playoffs, but not over SHS. So your argument, is vile in it language and flawed in its logic as well.
You failed to mention that Sam Houston State had a D2 loss on their record. They didn't have as many D1 wins as YSU. So before you start accusing me of being uninformed get your info in order. Our wins over D2 opponents kept us out of the playoffs many times but did not apply to SHSU and they had a loss. As Wick points out their formula was not published. They choose who they want with no accountability. In the past they used the 7 D1 win guideline. Then they added the fact that you can't lose at the end of the year. They then dropped all of those and decided that they would use SRS. I believe SHSU had only 6 D1 wins with a loss to a D2 opponent vs our 8 wins and 1 of those was against an FBS team. Rankings have never really mattered to the selection committee. Plus the MVFC was the best conference and I believe they took only 2 teams that year but they took 4 teams from the Big Soft Sky. The MVFC teams made it deep into the playoffs as expected.
I have enough data to prove we've been screwed many many times. I have even written to the conference commissioner (who is powerless) as well as the NCAA and the members of the selection committee. Got a nice response from the commissioner but never any thing from the committee on their reasoning . SRS was supposed to drop the losing at the end of the year requirement . I have seen them take teams that have lost the last 3. I have seen them break their own 7D1 win rule. I have seen them say they based their decision on SRS. But YSU has never been given those benefits that they award to other teams on the bubble. That's a fact.
The other issue you have is that the Bison were the #1 team and the TSN rankings are a joke. YSU would have done severe damage in the playoffs that year too. What you fail to realize is that the 24 team playoff bracket still didn't get a top 15 team into it. Care to explain that? Their formula is like an affirmitive action quota. Need to take the token minority or female to ensure we are fair instead of taking the best. We deserved to be in over several other teams but the rules are thrown out the window and it has happened at least 6 times that I'm aware of.
The selection committee needs to be held to a standard because their decisions affect other people's lives. Heacock and Wolford families in addition to YSU's atheltic department were affected by their decisions but the players spend countless hours preparing for the season, and countless hours during the season only to have an abitrary process count them out. Luckily for the coaches they have golden parachutes but their decision not to take us has cost the university money.
In addition to what I've stated do you care to explain how they took more teams from far weaker conferences over MVFC teams? What is the logic behind that? SHSU got some favorable match ups at home with a garbage record. We all know about the bidding process but that one was tough a tough pill to swallow. You can't count what SHSU did in the playoffs. The playoffs are a completely different season. YSU would have made it to at least round 2 or 3 that year before losing. You can only go by what the record said during the selection process. We were a better team than SHSU that year.
As Nation points out we were passed over in a different comparison using the SRS. More data to show you how it is an uncontrolled process.
Say all you want about my limted vocabulary; at the end of the day the SRS is still bullsh**.
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The selection committee process is flawed but with that being said YSU did not deserve to make the playoff any year under Wolford. If you get blown out year after by the best teams in the conference at the end of the year, I'm sorry you don't deserve to be in. Yes we beat NDSU one year, so what play them 5 more times that year they kick are arse everytime and that's not debatable.
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PenguinPower, you are perhaps the most paranoid person I am aware of. Glad I'm not around you in person, as you'd make me very nervous. Your persecution complex reminds me of some characters in movies like Silence of the Lambs etc. (Not Lecter, but Buffalo Bob)
Blogging with you is a complete waste time as you apparently want to dispute the fact that 8-3 is better than 8-3 and 3 quality wins in the playoffs validate the selection of SHSU in the 2012 playoffs which is plainly true. Our D2 wins do NOT keep us from the playoffs, our 4 consecutive 1AA loses did. You aren't worth my time.
Bye and good luck.
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PenguinPower, you are perhaps the most paranoid person I am aware of. Glad I'm not around you in person, as you'd make me very nervous. Your persecution complex reminds me of some characters in movies like Silence of the Lambs etc. (Not Lecter, but Buffalo Bob)
Blogging with you is a complete waste time as you apparently want to dispute the fact that 8-3 is better than 8-3 and 3 quality wins in the playoffs validate the selection of SHSU in the 2012 playoffs which is plainly true. Our D2 wins do NOT keep us from the playoffs, our 4 consecutive 1AA loses did. You aren't worth my time.
Bye and good luck.
You nailed it. I'm paranoid. Do some research before arguing with me.
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Power is spot on. Do we still have some chianti left? ? It goes so well with liver. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I will admit the Heacock family has a to be scratching their heads over a couple of years, but W teams never deserved a shot ...ever. Pitt made a big mistake in treating us as equals ...that will not happen under Narduzzi. We will have to earn this win.
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Figured I would throw my two cents in here, I cant remember the name of the team, but i remember one of the last three years, there was a team that made the playoffs because it was a conference champion but had a losing record (it was either 5 or 6 and 7 if i remember). I realize this is a separate issue, but felt it was a relevant point to add to the discussion of whether or not the current system has flaws with playoff selection.
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In 2013, Lafayette started the season 1-5, and then won 4 of its last five to finish 5-6. However, they won the woeful Patriot League with a 4-1 record. In the first round of the playoffs, they lost 45-7.
In yet another FCS playoff committee farce, the Patriot league was given one at-large bid to Fordham. The MVFC also only got one at-large bid...to SDSU......leaving #18th ranked YSU (8-4/5-3) at home.
I am fine with auto-bids for all conferences....even for teams with losing records in 1AAA conferences. I am not fine with absurd at-large bids to 1AAA teams over 1AA teams.
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In 2013, Lafayette started the season 1-5, and then won 4 of its last five to finish 5-6. However, they won the woeful Patriot League with a 4-1 record. In the first round of the playoffs, they lost 45-7.
In yet another FCS playoff committee farce, the Patriot league was given one at-large bid to Fordham. The MVFC also only got one at-large bid...to SDSU......leaving #18th ranked YSU (8-4/5-3) at home.
I am fine with auto-bids for all conferences....even for teams with losing records in 1AAA conferences. I am not fine with absurd at-large bids to 1AAA teams over 1AA teams.
Excellent points. I agree.
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In 2013, Lafayette started the season 1-5, and then won 4 of its last five to finish 5-6. However, they won the woeful Patriot League with a 4-1 record. In the first round of the playoffs, they lost 45-7.
In yet another FCS playoff committee farce, the Patriot league was given one at-large bid to Fordham. The MVFC also only got one at-large bid...to SDSU......leaving #18th ranked YSU (8-4/5-3) at home.
I am fine with auto-bids for all conferences....even for teams with losing records in 1AAA conferences. I am not fine with absurd at-large bids to 1AAA teams over 1AA teams.
Excellent points. I agree.
Without a doubt, mind boggling
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You people that think it should be the top-20 or 24 ranked teams in the play-off are crazy. You would soon have no conferences, no non-football men's sports. Each conference should have 2 guaranteed spots ...no more. Could be less if they do not have at least 9 teams in the conference. Could be more if a onferenc4e does not have two teams that meet the requirements. regular-season OOC records should mean nothing
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IAA Fan,
You are missing the whole point of this discussion. It is not what you or I THINK about the FCS playoff operation. It is about the selection committee following the rules that are already in operation. And the rule regarding the selection of at-large teams is written in clear and precise language. The rule obligates the committee to select for at-large berths the BEST remaining teams after the automatic bids have been awarded. The rule says nothing about conferences or balancing geographic regions. Again, the mandate is to select the BEST remaining teams.
In order to pretend to follow that rule, the selection committee claims that they are operating with an objective ratings system. Fine. Wonderful. But it is a farce because, unlike in the FBS world, the committee REFUSES to release those ratings until AFTER the at-large selections have been made. The solution to this mess is remarkably simple. Release those ratings starting in the middle of the season. At the conclusion of the regular season, award at-large bids going right down that list after the automatic qualifiers have been placed. ANY other way is illegitimate, and brings down upon the selection committee the scorn that they so rightfully deserve.
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Wick250 I am tempted to ask you what color the clouds are in your world, but I'm not since you are doing your reasearch, and being logical (your big mistake). Remember the imortal words of "deep throat" when he told Woodward and Berstein: "follow the money" If you don't balance conferences, don't have regional balance etc. you risk the most important thing in college sports: THE MONEY!! Make all the rules, guidelines etc. you want, but FOLLOW THE MONEY! Using FBS as the example isn't too useful IMO. They violated their own rankings in selecting the 4 for the playoff in their very first year, didn't they?
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Wick250 I am tempted to ask you what color the clouds are in your world, but I'm not since you are doing your reasearch, and being logical (your big mistake). Remember the imortal words of "deep throat" when he told Woodward and Berstein: "follow the money" If you don't balance conferences, don't have regional balance etc. you risk the most important thing in college sports: THE MONEY!! Make all the rules, guidelines etc. you want, but FOLLOW THE MONEY! Using FBS as the example isn't too useful IMO. They violated their own rankings in selecting the 4 for the playoff in their very first year, didn't they?
What do you disagree about? Wick is spot on in his analysis. We are the few that follow FCS football. The only real money is in the FBS power 5. The rest of college football is really not an eye opening money maker.
In the FCS it is not about the money. Most athletic departments are balancing capital money against the cost of managing a team of 18 year olds.
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Wick250 I am tempted to ask you what color the clouds are in your world, but I'm not since you are doing your reasearch, and being logical (your big mistake). Remember the imortal words of "deep throat" when he told Woodward and Berstein: "follow the money" If you don't balance conferences, don't have regional balance etc. you risk the most important thing in college sports: THE MONEY!! Make all the rules, guidelines etc. you want, but FOLLOW THE MONEY! Using FBS as the example isn't too useful IMO. They violated their own rankings in selecting the 4 for the playoff in their very first year, didn't they?
What do you disagree about? Wick is spot on in his analysis. We are the few that follow FCS football. The only real money is in the FBS power 5. The rest of college football is really not an eye opening money maker.
In the FCS it is not about the money. Most athletic departments are balancing capital money against the cost of managing a team of 18 year olds.
What I disagree about is, and I quote "It is about the selection committee following the rules that are already in operation." I don't think so, I think it is about money. Who gets the home games in BCS football, the higher ranked team or the one that guarentees the most money? What the "heck" does "balancing capital money against the cost of managing a team of 18 year olds." mean??
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go guins,
I will be kind and assume that your heart is in the right place. But you have limited knowledge about FCS football. Your comments about money are obsolete. Yes, decades ago, teams bid for home games in every round of the playoffs. Money talked then. And YSU was sometimes the beneficiary. Not any more. Money has been completely removed from the process. The NCAA sets the amount for minimum guarantees. If the higher seed meets that figure, they get the home game....automatically. Sometimes that results in embarrassment for FCS as it did last fall when one semifinal game was played in a "high school-like" stadium because New Hampshire had the higher seed and met the financial bid.
What Penguinpower, I, and astute FCS fans across the country are up in arms about is simply this. The NCAA has a procedure in place to select that best field but the selection committee refuses to follow those rules. Until the selection committee practices transparency, publicly reveals their "secret rankings" during the season, and follows the bylaws about selecting the strongest teams for at-large berths, hypocrisy will reign.
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I agree with you Wick, but the money is not obsolete. In fact, the NCAA has made the financial guarantee more a factor than ever. No one is going to win home games with the minimum bid anymore. I think it was ILS that decided not to bid just a couple of years ago, after their initial offer was rejected. Instead, they decided to increase their round-II bid assuming a round-I road win. I think they went to EKU or JSU instead. Just a couple of years ago, they made each university add the NCAA as on their insurance, which was so unbelievably expensive. There were so many schools threatening to no longer bid, that the NCAA dropped the requirement.
They want full stands as well, as they pay more attention to the ticket sales now that preliminary-round games are televised. Strollo and Tressel before him, let the NCAA know that we would beat any amount and I think we guaranteed 18k or 20k in ticket sales.
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go guins,
I will be kind and assume that your heart is in the right place. But you have limited knowledge about FCS football. Your comments about money are obsolete. Yes, decades ago, teams bid for home games in every round of the playoffs. Money talked then. And YSU was sometimes the beneficiary. Not any more. Money has been completely removed from the process. The NCAA sets the amount for minimum guarantees. If the higher seed meets that figure, they get the home game....automatically. Sometimes that results in embarrassment for FCS as it did last fall when one semifinal game was played in a "high school-like" stadium because New Hampshire had the higher seed and met the financial bid.
What Penguinpower, I, and astute FCS fans across the country are up in arms about is simply this. The NCAA has a procedure in place to select that best field but the selection committee refuses to follow those rules. Until the selection committee practices transparency, publicly reveals their "secret rankings" during the season, and follows the bylaws about selecting the strongest teams for at-large berths, hypocrisy will reign.
You tell me "Money has been completely removed from the process." Then you proceed to tell me the NCAA sets the minimum and the higher rated team needs to meet the minimum? Either money is completely removed or it isn't. Not sure you even read your post, but the guys in the NCAA NEVER forget the money. That you can believe! IMO, they are no more than one step better than FIFA.
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A respectable poll, except I'd replace Harvard with ISUb, and put WIU in Cal Poly's spot.
http://athlonsports.com/college-football/fcs-top-25-and-all-american-team-2015
1. North Dakota State
2. Illinois State
3. Sam Houston State
4. Jacksonville State
5. Villanova
6. Eastern Washington
7. Coastal Carolina
8. Chattanooga
9. New Hampshire
10. Youngstown State
Former Nebraska coach Bo Pelini steps into a ready-to-win situation at YSU, where school president Jim Tressel guided the Penguins to four national titles in the 1990s. A youthful offense features sophomore quarterback Hunter Wells and junior running back Martin Ruiz. Defensive ends Derek Rivers and Terrell Williams combined for 24 sacks.
11. Northern Iowa
12. Liberty
13. Montana State
14. James Madison
15. Eastern Illinois
16. McNeese State
17. Montana
18. Idaho State
19. South Dakota State
20. Richmond
21. Eastern Kentucky
22. Harvard
23. Western Carolina
24. Cal Poly
25. Indiana State
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If I could point out one thing ...YSU has never substantially dropped out of the pre-season polls (that count) basically since Tress left. We had a bad poll once with each of his successors. This is very telling for our program and the respect that it still has throughout the country. It truly adds to an already exciting 2015. This is the first time in year s that I have wanted summer to be over, as I hate winter and fall reminds me of winter.
As an FYI ...three tailgate lots this year. So other are excited as well.
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If I could point out one thing ...YSU has never substantially dropped out of the pre-season polls (that count) basically since Tress left. We had a bad poll once with each of his successors. This is very telling for our program and the respect that it still has throughout the country. It truly adds to an already exciting 2015. This is the first time in year s that I have wanted summer to be over, as I hate winter and fall reminds me of winter.
As an FYI ...three tailgate lots this year. So other are excited as well.
Very good observation regarding national respect shown the Quins in pre-season polls.
Where is the new tailgate lot?
Any idea how season ticket sales are progressing?
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I don't know how long some of you have been tailgating, but the original tailgating lots were M-24 and M-26. The grass space to the NE of M-26 was overflow at $3 or $5. M-7 was a gravel lot for faculty, then mixed, etc.
This year, I am told M-26 will re-open. Which is nice, as it has (or at least used to have) electricity & holds more than M-7. Has anyone received any forms that have M-26 as an option?
Not sure how ticket sales are going, but they are a month ahead of schedule ..as compared to previous seasons; so I expect Bo has really drawn interest. There will be a new person in-charge of tickets this year ...Eric McLellan is replacing Ashley Booth ...who is moving on. Maybe I will send Eric and email.
Furthermore, for all the reservations I had with Tress coming in as president ...I was foolish to have ever doubted him. Like any good offensive coach, if you lack the quality experienced receivers, you put more receivers into the game. What the man (President Tressel) lacks in experience, he has (so far) made up for in effort ...and then some. Thank you Jim!
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Not sure how ticket sales are going, but they are a month ahead of schedule ..as compared to previous seasons; so I expect Bo has really drawn interest. There will be a new person in-charge of tickets this year ...Eric McLellan is replacing Ashley Booth ...who is moving on. Maybe I will send Eric and email.
This is the first year (in 33 years) I have received a thank you note sent to me in the mail for renewing my season tickets.
That was a nice touch, it showed appreciation.
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I don't know how long some of you have been tailgating, but the original tailgating lots were M-24 and M-26. The grass space to the NE of M-26 was overflow at $3 or $5. M-7 was a gravel lot for faculty, then mixed, etc.
This year, I am told M-26 will re-open. Which is nice, as it has (or at least used to have) electricity & holds more than M-7. Has anyone received any forms that have M-26 as an option?
Not sure how ticket sales are going, but they are a month ahead of schedule ..as compared to previous seasons; so I expect Bo has really drawn interest. There will be a new person in-charge of tickets this year ...Eric McLellan is replacing Ashley Booth ...who is moving on. Maybe I will send Eric and email.
Furthermore, for all the reservations I had with Tress coming in as president ...I was foolish to have ever doubted him. Like any good offensive coach, if you lack the quality experienced receivers, you put more receivers into the game. What the man (President Tressel) lacks in experience, he has (so far) made up for in effort ...and then some. Thank you Jim!
I'm dumbfounded you had reservations about JT becoming president. I said the day I heard the job was opening that they should grab Tressel before he got away. He would raise enrollment, raise graduation rates, and double the endowment in his tenure. Raising the profile and success of the football program goes without saying. A leader and a doer is a leader and a doer. He would be a great company commander in the Army, a great governor, whatever. Guy has a way to get people to go in the same direction and do better than they thought they could do. Best thing YSU did since becoming a state school.
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Just paid my Penguin Club and tailgate today! I think we are going to be in for a good season.
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Tailgating in M24 and M7 only. When I called to renew my tickets last month, the girl said they had already sold more this year than all of last year.
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All but one (USD) of the MVFC teams are in the Massey top 15. YSU #8. Top 4 teams in FCS all are from the MVFC.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2015&sub=11605
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YSU ranked 15th by FCS Gameday in what appears to be a decent poll, but undervalues the MVFC (only 5 MVFC teams in the top 25). Seriously...Harvard would beat SDSU?
http://www.fcsgameday.com/news/archives/fcsgameday2015preseasontop25
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Preseason Coaches Poll. YSU #16.
Ranking Harvard and Fordham above 4 MVFC teams? Time to drug test the coaches.
http://www.valleynewslive.com/sports/headlines/NDSU-Picked--320792931.html?device=phone&c=y
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STATS (formerly The Sports Network) pre-season top 25:
6 MVFC teams. YSU #14.
http://www.fcs.football/fcsfront.asp
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Sagarin D1 rankings. Similar to Massey in its acknowledgement of MVFC dominance in FCS (the top three FCS teams are from the MVFC) and it's ranking of YSU (102 vs. 100).
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
OOC opponents:
STFU is ranked 208.
RMU is ranked 238............out of the 254 D1 teams.
At least we've upgraded from Valpo (#251).
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More on Sagarin:
YSU ranked above half of the MAC West teams, all of the MAC East teams except one, all Big Sky and Big South schools, half of the AAC-West, and well over half of the C-USA schools and Sun Belt schools.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2015/conference/
.....and YSU is an average MVFC school. The line between G5 and FCS (true 1-AA with 62 schollies) is artificial at best.
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13th here.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/11822