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Who in the current staff will Pelini keep on?
Will there be big time assistants that Pelini brings on staff?
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I think he keeps quite a bit ...mainly for financial reasons. We already know his OC from Nebraska is staying there. No matter what some some say here, but at the money we pay, he is going to have a tough time doing better than Montgomery. However I have heard that Montgomery is being considered for a fairly big offer. Also his offense, when working as it should, is very complicated. I coach P is almost forced to take over the D for the short-term. Look at Heacock, when he turned it over ...it was a noticeable drop-off. Again I would have to think that Wolford is the trump card. If wolf takes another head-job ...he will want his existing staff.
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I feel that Bryant, Zordich, Bricillo and Stoops will stay on staff and possibly Gerberry.
That would mean Coach Pelini would only have to find 6 other coaches.
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Stoops needs to go. I like Bricillo.
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Stoops biggest role in recruiting coordinator, so (assuming we pull more local talent) he should stay.. I agree with coach Carmen being a quality guy and a "keeper".
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Stoops wasn't used for local recruiting. He was there as a firewall for Wolf for angry parents and coaches in the area who wondered why their local limited talent "star" wasn't recruited by YSU. Its going to get much funnier as delusional Youngstown folks expect a former Mooney player now the coach at YSU gets put on the hot seat to sign limited talents from Mooney and the area, thus dooming the football program he is supposed to lead to bigger and better things. ;D
I'm telling you, its going to get funny as he11 around here. 8)
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Stoops wasn't used for local recruiting. He was there as a firewall for Wolf for angry parents and coaches in the area who wondered why their local limited talent "star" wasn't recruited by YSU. Its going to get much funnier as delusional Youngstown folks expect a former Mooney player now the coach at YSU gets put on the hot seat to sign limited talents from Mooney and the area, thus dooming the football program he is supposed to lead to bigger and better things. ;D
I'm telling you, its going to get funny as he11 around here. 8)
I agree with this point. But only to the extent if hes unable to recruit good players nationally, if he cant compete with the MAC in recruiting regionally, or the power 5 regionally then he's in a worse boat than Wolf was in because of the community perception. Im curious as to what demands for "recruiting improvements" he will make and how much the end cost will be.
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Paladin ...aside from the fact that you are a 'weenis' ...Mooney has about 3 (maybe 4) DI players a year. We will still get about 1% of those. I know this and care about HS football just about as much as I do a case of severe hemorrhoids. Everyone knows this ...including coach P.
The idea of this type of hire is to move up in the national pecking order for recruits. Which is why we hired Bo Pelini and not PJ Fecko. Most recruiting coordinators do not even coach, we should consider ourselves lucky.
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Pelini will be on the hot seat as he sinks or swims with who he brings in as staff. Several of Wolf's staff may get preferential treatment as they have some local ties so the old boy network will be alive and well for awhile. Wolf got fired because of his poor choice of staff., especially on the D side, firing two DC over the years and never getting that side of the ball to contribute to the program. But they have great talent here now ( Wolf was a he11 of a recruiter). The challenge is to keep it coming or the program will fall in competitive level and in the MVFC the fall will be swift. BTW, Pelini was not known as a strong recruiter, but he had a good staff with a school that has lots of $$$$$$$$$$ for FB and a solid alumni base who helped. He has none of that at YSU, so expect him to have problems early on.
Staff hires will be critical.
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As long as Montgomery leaves I'm ok.
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Yes, I agree, Fan. Recruiting Co-ord. are paperwork guys who don't coach at major schools. Film work, visits and filtering out contacts for the individual staff to contact in their assigned area of the state or country is how it works. Its limited here and Pelini will find FCS recruiting to be much more difficult than what he was used to.
I know Youngstown area WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW THEY WILL WASTE TIME HERE . They need to hit Fla. & Calif, keep the Pa. contacts and work in special talents as they find them in Texas and the Carolinas/Ga. Wolf had started to bring in some good people from SW Ohio too.
Just so you know, the name Pelini won't mean jack in recruiting. FBS players are still going tpo go FBS. FCS is a different animal. His first class may be telling.
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I never saw any great recruiter. You are a great prognosticator, but lousy at history.
05, ask some of the players on O who recruited them ...you may not be in such a hurry to dump Montgomery. I just want to score more points than my opposition.
It was Heacock's staff (actually his brothers) that first broke into Central and southern Ohio. Montgomery (a Newark, OH native) does this now.
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Glad the players like him but it's time for a change. Time to pound the football like the old days with our solid RB's and big O-Line. No need for our young QB to be throwing the ball all over. And not to mention his horrible play calling.
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Some are questioning if he would try to hire his brother ( who was fired in a scandal in Florida) at YSU ?
Tressel would allow that ?
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I've always assumed that he would, as well as keep most of what we have now--won't be shocked with either scenario of cleaning house or keeping most.
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In no way is he keeping Montgomery or Davis from the current staff.
Why would he not bring his brother on? I know he had a controversy at his past job, but everybody just like Bo deserves another chance.
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Lots of risk already assumed here MVFC ...I think more of our current staff stays than we think. Most position guys out there (at least those that coach P would know at this point) make more than Bo is going to make here, so although they express interest...would they be willing to take the pay cut as well? Now Retskis might be a little easier to bring home ...and a good coach to boot.
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I'd keep Montgomery but give him a position like recruiting coordinator. He does a lot of good stuff behind the scenes that many aren't aware of.
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Retskis ? First Carl and now Retskis ? He11 why not hire Cheech andChong ? This place is going to get a bad name fast nationally. Some families care about where their athlete sons play and for who.
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I recognize "weedgate" & I am not saying we should or should not hire them. Pete is an easier hire, because he was not toking, but I do believe it may be too soon.
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Davis was already planning on leaving before Wolford got fired.
His players have under performed since he has been here.
Nate Dortch pretty much downgraded since he got here and the same goes for Julius Childs as well.
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I recognize "weedgate" & I am not saying we should or should not hire them. Pete is an easier hire, because he was not toking, but I do believe it may be too soon.
Whoa Dan. You are woefully misinformed. Are you sure it was weed? It is going to be hard for me to comment on very much here because of relationships, but if I get the balls maybe I will send you a PM.
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I recognize "weedgate" & I am not saying we should or should not hire them. Pete is an easier hire, because he was not toking, but I do believe it may be too soon.
Whoa Dan. You are woefully misinformed. Are you sure it was weed? It is going to be hard for me to comment on very much here because of relationships, but if I get the balls maybe I will send you a PM.
well it is Florida ...what was prescription senior meds, meth or crack? The had the photos on line. I will have to look for them again.
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@JoeScalzo1: Doesn't sound like Carl Pelini will be a part of Bo's #YSU staff. As someone who covered Carl at Fitch High, I am very excited to hear this.
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Interested to see what the staff looks like, hope he takes his time and gets it right.
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I personally don't think Montgomery will stay if given the option to..a few players will follow him wherever he ends up at
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Anybody heard anything lately?
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I'm just guessing on this. Stoops, Watson and Zordich. Maybe one more hopefully Gerberry! From the last staff.
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All solid guesses. I suspect much of the offense to remain. Defense is a concern. Special teams as well. Both D and ST have improved last year, but have not been a strength over the last 5-years.
I expect to see 1 or 2 bigger names come out of retirement to help get things established. However, probably not anything long-term.
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Anyone hearing anything
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Not a peep. My guess is this week we will hear...
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I hear Rex Ryan is coming for an interview for D-Coordinator ;)
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Bob Stoops to join Ysu and Bo and become the D-Coordinatior. Mooney reunion lol
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Bob's squad sure laid an egg last night.
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DB coach Glenn Davis has interviewed for the DB job at South Florida... His alma mater.
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Bob's squad sure laid an egg last night.
Kind of glad. Senior QB Cole Stoudt, son of former Penguin QB great Cliff led Clemson in the victory. Maybe he did not come here, but he is still a Guin to me. For those of you that know Columbus, he went to Dublin-Coffman.
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Bob's squad sure laid an egg last night.
Kind of glad. Senior QB Cole Stoudt, son of former Penguin QB great Cliff led Clemson in the victory. Maybe he did not come here, but he is still a Guin to me. For those of you that know Columbus, he went to Dublin-Coffman.
I hope that Clemson and their inbred drunk toothless hillbilly jackass fans lose every game and drop football. Clemson is a worthless land grant institution for losers and under-achievers. The coaching staff, fans, and administration are nothing but pieces of sh**. In addition every Clemson engineering graduate I've ever had the unfortunate opportunity to work with couldn't find his a$$ from a hole in the ground and had to be micromanaged in order to achieve the goal(s). I will never hire one.....too many disappointments. I won't even accept intercompany transfers. Charlie Bauman did have it coming.
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Don't hold back Power ...tell us what you really think ...LOL. Just kidding ...besides you can have those GATech engineers for the same money :)
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Don't hold back Power ...tell us what you really think ...LOL. Just kidding ...besides you can have those GATech engineers for the same money :)
Very impressed with many Ga Tech engineers. They can certainly hold their own (chemical and mechanical engineers) environmental engineers not so much.
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I love it when their aerospace engineers cheer in space suits at the GA Tech games. Still Stoudt was arguably our best all-around QB and I have to show proper respect to his son.
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I'm told Shane Montgomery, Ron Stoops, and Mike Zordich will be retained by Bo Pelini as YSU assistant coaches
@ChadK426 Chad Krispinsky, Sports Anchor at WYTV
https://twitter.com/ChadK426/status/551515391101796352
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Well, that's disappointing to see Montgomery will be back for another year.... Back to scoring 60 on Butler and getting shutout in 2nd halves of all conference games.... Sigh.
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These three make sense ...there was 2 more I was hoping to see stay. Stoops and Zordich are strong local products, while Montgomery is the only proven 3-star on Wolf's staff. Bricilla and Gerberry would have been good "keepers" as well. I cannot believe that Gerberry was make much, if anything. Then again, he may have picked up a true spot somewhere.
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Well, that's disappointing to see Montgomery will be back for another year.... Back to scoring 60 on Butler and getting shutout in 2nd halves of all conference games.... Sigh.
Not sure if Montgomery stays on as OC.
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If SM is staying it must be for a good reason. I have no inside scoop but is it possible that Wolf kept Sm's hands tied to some extent?
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So coach Carter has been let go? BIG MISTAKE
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Well, that's disappointing to see Montgomery will be back for another year.... Back to scoring 60 on Butler and getting shutout in 2nd halves of all conference games.... Sigh.
Not sure if Montgomery stays on as OC.
Then Krispinsky is wrong? Or coaching another position?
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Well, that's disappointing to see Montgomery will be back for another year.... Back to scoring 60 on Butler and getting shutout in 2nd halves of all conference games.... Sigh.
Not sure if Montgomery stays on as OC.
Then Krispinsky is wrong? Or coaching another position?
I mean as a position coach. We will know more in next week.
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So coach Carter has been let go? BIG MISTAKE
I liked him as well.
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Well, that's disappointing to see Montgomery will be back for another year.... Back to scoring 60 on Butler and getting shutout in 2nd halves of all conference games.... Sigh.
Not sure if Montgomery stays on as OC.
Then Krispinsky is wrong? Or coaching another position?
I mean as a position coach. We will know more in next week.
Not likely to drop to position coach, unless he has some unfinished business in town. I know he interviewed for an out-of-town position job that I would never turn down. In fact, I thought he took it, so this news to me.
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If it's true, then Pelini is keeping some local Ytown boys and aQB coach to keep his QB happy. Do not see anything smart about keeping Stoops or Zordich but Montgomery depends on how used.
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If it's true, then Pelini is keeping some local Ytown boys and aQB coach to keep his QB happy. Do not see anything smart about keeping Stoops or Zordich but Montgomery depends on how used.
I was thinking the same thing. Only reason Montgomery stays is to keep his golden boy Wells happy.
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I was thinking the same thing. Only reason Montgomery stays is to keep his golden boy Wells happy.
I have a hard time believing that any one player (in this case Wells) has that much power over Pelini's coaching decisions. Quite the opposite, I think Wells will have to defend his position next year against Davis. (No disrespect intended to Wells, it's just a new coach, new system. Davis has embraced the change; Wells is mumbling and probably should go somewhere else if he thinks he is the future of YSU football.)
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I was thinking the same thing. Only reason Montgomery stays is to keep his golden boy Wells happy.
I have a hard time believing that any one player (in this case Wells) has that much power over Pelini's coaching decisions. Quite the opposite, I think Wells will have to defend his position next year against Davis. (No disrespect intended to Wells, it's just a new coach, new system. Davis has embraced the change; Wells is mumbling and probably should go somewhere else if he thinks he is the future of YSU football.)
I agree with that. Just saying, Montgomery thinks Wells is some stud prodigy like his new Big Ben. I've been on the Ricky Davis bandwagon all year.
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So coach Carter has been let go? BIG MISTAKE
He was only planning on staying a year or two max. He was hoping for a Head Coaching job after Louisville, but did not get it. Due to that I see him being a HC on the 1AA level next year.
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Everyone should know by now it's coach Bo's way or the highway. He wasn't hired to run a daycare! To think that Montgomery was retained just to keep Wells from transferring is funny. Coach P is high on Monty as a coach and Wells as a player that I do know!!
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I was checking Wells tweets and he had a made the comment that he can't wait to start spring ball. I cant wait was well!
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0505,
I have never understood your animosity toward Montgomery. On the radio several years ago, Wolford was asked who made the final decision on what play to call. He responded that he did. I distinctly remember this because it came at a time when the offense was performing at a high level and I thought that this arrogant coach won't even give his assistants proper credit. Now assuming this is true (Wolford said a lot of things), does not Wolford shoulder most of the blame for the second half meltdowns? If these rumors are true and Pelini is happy with Montgomery, so am I.
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0505,
I have never understood your animosity toward Montgomery. On the radio several years ago, Wolford was asked who made the final decision on what play to call. He responded that he did. I distinctly remember this because it came at a time when the offense was performing at a high level and I thought that this arrogant coach won't even give his assistants proper credit. Now assuming this is true (Wolford said a lot of things), does not Wolford shoulder most of the blame for the second half meltdowns? If these rumors are true and Pelini is happy with Montgomery, so am I.
Wick,
If that is true, then I don't have a problem with Montgomery staying, if offered. Now, if Montgomery had last say so on play calling and in-game adjustments, then he needs to go as well.
You make a great point btw. I never thought about that.
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Wolford did not have the last say on play calling. Maybe on a 4th down or out of a timeout, but for the most part, Montgomery calls the plays... And when you get shut out in half of league games in the 2nd half, that's a problem. This will not change as long as he's here.
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Wolford did not have the last say on play calling. Maybe on a 4th down or out of a timeout, but for the most part, Montgomery calls the plays... And when you get shut out in half of league games in the 2nd half, that's a problem. This will not change as long as he's here.
This is absolutely correct. Wolf's background is an OL coach. He has probably never called a play on his own. Monty would certainly listen to his advice but most OC's don't want someone else in their head when they are trying to think.
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While Pelini wasn’t ready to release any names on Monday — “We’ll release it all when everything is in place and ready to go” — a source said he plans to retain offensive coordinator Shane Montgomery, a former head coach at Miami (Ohio) who spent the last five years on Eric Wolford’s staff. Linebackers coach Ron Stoops (a fellow Cardinal Mooney graduate and former assistant for the Cardinals) and safeties coach Michael Zordich (a former assistant at Cardinal Mooney) also will be back and offensive line coach Carmen Bricillo is likely to return, the source said. Defensive coordinator Jamie Bryant will not return.“I’m looking for high-energy guys, guys that share my philosophy,” Pelini said of his coaching staff. “Guys I know or guys I get to know that really fit what I want to do and how we’re gonna run the program and what we want to do to help these kids grow. That’s what it’s all about.” - See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jan/06/pelini-settles-in-at-ysu/#sthash.clyVcQe6.dpuf
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While Pelini wasn’t ready to release any names on Monday — “We’ll release it all when everything is in place and ready to go” — a source said he plans to retain offensive coordinator Shane Montgomery, a former head coach at Miami (Ohio) who spent the last five years on Eric Wolford’s staff. Linebackers coach Ron Stoops (a fellow Cardinal Mooney graduate and former assistant for the Cardinals) and safeties coach Michael Zordich (a former assistant at Cardinal Mooney) also will be back and offensive line coach Carmen Bricillo is likely to return, the source said. Defensive coordinator Jamie Bryant will not return.“I’m looking for high-energy guys, guys that share my philosophy,” Pelini said of his coaching staff. “Guys I know or guys I get to know that really fit what I want to do and how we’re gonna run the program and what we want to do to help these kids grow. That’s what it’s all about.” - See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jan/06/pelini-settles-in-at-ysu/#sthash.clyVcQe6.dpuf
I'm very happy to hear Bricillo is likely staying. Of all of our old assistants, he is the one I wanted to keep most.
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Looks like Montgomery, Zordich, and Stoops are locks to stay.... Grad assistant coming over from Nebraska per Football Scoop.
"Youngstown State: Bo Pelini has retained Shane Montgomery, Ron Stoops and Mike Zordich per Chad Krispinsky who covers YSU. A source tells FootballScoop that former Nebraska grad assistant TJ Hollowell will join Pelini’s staff as linebackers coach."
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The ones I would most like to see stay are Bricillo, Bryant and Gallon.
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Youngstown State: Per sources Bo Pelini plans to move Ross Watson on the field…we hear as defensive backs coach. We also hear he is working to bring an additional person or two from Nebraska. Will update…
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Youngstown State: Per sources Bo Pelini plans to move Ross Watson on the field…we hear as defensive backs coach. We also hear he is working to bring an additional person or two from Nebraska. Will update…
Watson coached with Pelini at Nebraska early in his career before going to FAU.
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I thought this was good article. For those of you complaining about second-half adjustments and Coach M. here is coach Helfrich of Oregon:
“To a certain degree, the scheme and maneuvering go into it, but the ‘x-factor’ is guys being ready to play, guys being confident, all those kind of things that go into prep that are infinitely important right now Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday in terms of how we prepare for a game week.”
“Then, during the game, there are certainly adjustments, but I think that’s one of the most overrated things in the world, is these drastic adjustments that these guys say they make…that just doesn’t happen. You don’t change your offense at halftime. That just doesn’t happen.”
I could not agree more. Coach M make his adjustments on the fly. If it stops working ...it is time for the defense to suck it up & give him another opportunity.
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I hear that Carl Pelini, Bo's brother will be the defensive coordinator. Not sure with his checkered past this is the best move. My source may be wrong, but he usually is spot on.
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I heard that Bricillo is staying is that true? Good news if that is true.
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I hear that Carl Pelini, Bo's brother will be the defensive coordinator. Not sure with his checkered past this is the best move. My source may be wrong, but he usually is spot on.
You can't be serious! When Bo first got hired that question was brought up to him and he even said that wouldn't be a good idea
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Kyle Brey, son of Notre Dame head basketball coach Mike Brey is reportedly on the staff with Pelini. Was a grad assistant the last 2 years at Nebraska. Played tight end and fullback at Buffalo.
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Kyle Brey, son of Notre Dame head basketball coach Mike Brey is reportedly on the staff with Pelini. Was a grad assistant the last 2 years at Nebraska. Played tight end and fullback at Buffalo.
I have heard the same from 2 sources.
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Let's try to keep a running record of whom we think will be a part of the staff. Obviously positions could change:
Offense:
Shane Montgomery = OC
Carmen Bricillo = O Line
Defense:
Ron Stoops = Linebackers and Recruiting Coordinator
Mike Zordich = Safeties
Ross Watson = Defensive Backs
T.J. Hollowell = Linebackers
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Any word about Coach Sims?
I always thought he knew his stuff, but got walked on by Kravitz, Tracey and Bryant.
Who knows why?
Several times Tracey would step in front of Sims while he had the D Line at his attention.
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Any word about Coach Sims?
I always thought he knew his stuff, but got walked on by Kravitz, Tracey and Bryant.
Who knows why?
Several times Tracey would step in front of Sims while he had the D Line at his attention.
I agree Sims is a heck of a coach. Wish he would stay but not sure.
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Ross Watson gone....
FootballScoop Staff @FootballScoop · 2m 2 minutes ago
Guys here in Louisville confirming that Youngstown assistant Ross Watson has accepted a defensive coaching position at NIU
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He tweeted the other day he was moving back to Youngstown. Now his cover photo is of Stambaugh. Leads me to believe he may be in line for GA/Asst. Coaching position. Comes from a great family.
(http://i.imgur.com/70uMOfch.jpg)
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Yes. I knew his grandfather. He was in charge of Negley Outdoor Advertising for many, many years. Met his parents, Aunt and brother (could be sister, not sure who was the relation there) at a New Years dinner some years ago. Seemed very genuine.
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Krispinsky is reporting Zordich has left and joined Harbaugh at Michigan. Another one gone....
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Krispinsky is reporting Zordich has left and joined Harbaugh at Michigan. Another one gone....
Not surprised. I believe Zordich has always had his sights set at what he sees higher than YSU. He left once before. Being at Michigan will give him more contacts to go further in his career and Harbaugh is a good person to help him.
Losing a good coach is tough, replacing him with a better one is what they need to do.
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Krispinsky is reporting Zordich has left and joined Harbaugh at Michigan. Another one gone....
Probably more of a recruiting/resume loss than that of a field commander. If Sims is not returning, we really will miss having some type of NFL"bloodline" on the team coaching roster.
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I could see Zordich being our future head coach!
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I could see Zordich being our future head coach!
Please give me a break
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Zordich is probably trying to get back in the NFL, and what better man to get you there than Harbaugh. Best of luck to him!
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Whomever Pelini chooses for his staff will have our support, well with the exception of one member who will criticize everything that Pelini does. Before he finalizes his selections, what type of composition would you like to see?
Wolford stressed the big time experience of his assistants, and indeed most of them had plenty of that at the DI level, including service in power conferences. Tressel used a completely different model. Of course he always had his sidekick, Conatser, and got years of service from Bob Stoops. But most of his assistants were young coaches in the early stages of their careers. Their goal was to work here for 3-4 years and then ascend up the coaching ladder. Quite a few of them eventually became head coaches, with Dantonio the star of that pack. These young men had "blank slates" and learned football the "Tressel Way." I thought that added cohesion to our program and kept internal conflict at a minimum. That type of cohesion seemed to be lacking in Wolford's veteran staff.
So what is your preference? Obviously the coordinators need to be veterans, but do you prefer a staff of position coaches dominated by retreads with experience or neophytes with ambition?
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Congrats Coach Sims!
@PantherLair: Confirmed: YSU asst. HC/DL coach - and Pitt alum - Tom Sims will be #Pitt's DL coach.
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Congrats Coach Sims!
@PantherLair: Confirmed: YSU asst. HC/DL coach - and Pitt alum - Tom Sims will be #Pitt's DL coach.
Congratulations Coach Sims.
Big loss for YSU
I hope his replacement will be equally as good. Will see what YSU can bring to the table.
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I'm hearing maybe RB's coach Ron Brown following Pelini from Nebraska.
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I'm hearing maybe RB's coach Ron Brown following Pelini from Nebraska.
Would be good hire, known as a tough guy. Came here to the Mooney camp with Stoops and Pelini. I know that Coach M likes to work the backs, but Brown is really more of a TE/WR coach.
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If you were concerned about Carl coming on board, this piece on Yahoo makes it pretty clear it will not be happening: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/carl-pelini--i-ve-lived-like-a-hermit-for-about-15-months-160339297.html
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May as well be said............ the name Pelini doesn't seem to be "luring in" the coaches and his brother is Persona non grata. I'm still expecting problems with recruiting too. The name Pelini may mean something here in the Valley, but the rose colored glasses crowd is in for a rude awakening . So much for the " Mooney Mafia". Its going to be a difficult regime.
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IAA Fan,
Year after year, you have allowed this man to express his obsessive hatred toward Ron Strollo over and over and over again. And that comment comes from someone who thinks that Strollo has been a rather poor athletic director. I just don't say that fifty times per month. Now are you going to allow him to trash Pelini over and over and over again for eight months before the first game? And do you understand that those of us who live in the Mahoning Valley have had about enough of his continuous slanders against our community? Add to that a few of us who are insulted by his hatred toward our local Catholic schools. A website can be ruined by more that just personal attacks. You might think about this....a lot.
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May as well be said............ the name Pelini doesn't seem to be "luring in" the coaches and his brother is Persona non grata. I'm still expecting problems with recruiting too. The name Pelini may mean something here in the Valley, but the rose colored glasses crowd is in for a rude awakening . So much for the " Mooney Mafia". Its going to be a difficult regime.
I am a proud Ursuline guy. If you think you have to be a big Mooney fan to get all excited about Pelini, you are most certainly wrong. It will be telling when Nebraska begins to struggle and become mediocre and we become a playoff team. Then perhaps Eichorst will realize his firing Pelini was an absolutely stupid decision.
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IAA Fan,
Year after year, you have allowed this man to express his obsessive hatred toward Ron Strollo over and over and over again. And that comment comes from someone who thinks that Strollo has been a rather poor athletic director. I just don't say that fifty times per month. Now are you going to allow him to trash Pelini over and over and over again for eight months before the first game? And do you understand that those of us who live in the Mahoning Valley have had about enough of his continuous slanders against our community? Add to that a few of us who are insulted by his hatred toward our local Catholic schools. A website can be ruined by more that just personal attacks. You might think about this....a lot.
I've noticed that there are a few different "camps" among big donors when it comes to choosing football coaches etc. It appears that Paladin is part of the Cafaro camp. He tends to back that area either by fact or coincidence. I don't understand those kinds of things but it looks that way as an outsider. He is not always correct on all of his assessments and he never comes out and says he is wrong when things like this are proven. He is a simple critic when you boil it down. The odd thing is that he support YSU on other Web sites, but he can be abusive within his own village.
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penguinpower,
Interesting observation as far as there being different camps. Guess it makes sense, given that there is animosity among some of the most prominent money people and families in Ytown/Warren. The first that comes to mind is Covelli -vs- Cafaro. They despise each other. So, I'd imagine they each have their own camp so to speak. And, then a 3rd would be the DeBartolo/York camp.
At the very least, it would seem there is a Cafaro Camp and a DeBartolo/York Camp, as Covelli may be in with the DeBartolo/York camp. Lyden is also in there somewhere. Not sure if Covelli and Lyden are big enough though have their own camps. Cafaro and DeBartolo/York definitely. And, we also have Tressel/Watson, which is a ninteresting dynamic given Tressel is now President.
As for Paladin, my biggest problem with him is his refusal to admit when wrong. Paladin if you read this, your inability and/or unwillingness to admit when wrong brings down your credibility, at least in my book. You add alot of insight. You speak you mind. There are alot of times you are right, and you have no problem pointing out when you are right. There are also times you are wrong, and you rarely to never acknowledge when you are wrong. It's okay to be wrong. Everyone is wrong at times. Being able to admit when wrong is an admirable quality.
As far as the search for assistant coaches, I'd imagine there will be alot of jumping around taking place with coaches for another month to 6 weeks. Obviously, the NFL and top FBS schools are at the top of the food chain. Then comes the lower tier FBS schools are top tier FCS schools. Hopefully things work out well in the end for Pelini and the YSU football program.
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penguinpower -- of course I support YSU on other sites. I'm a fan. I gladly trash other programs that play YSU. And I have fun doing it. But, I never LIE to myself, however.
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If the YSU front office is any reflection of the population of this chatboard and what I assume is the community, than I can see where a majority of the issues come from. Refusal to take criticism, unrealistic expectations, an unhealthy homogeneity demanded at all times e.g. "youngstown guys", and any questioning of decisions is met with cries of traitor-ism. Sounds like 1984 to me. Support with an unquestioning demeanor is for married men, nothing else.
If Pelini is a smart man, which with his tirade at his age (you'd think his vocabulary would be larger), is hard to discern, before YSU was even a thought in his mind he knew one thing, Being a Head coach at an FBS(Power 5) school is a resume bullet point that never goes away. He could win 3 'chips at YSU, and then apply for another Million $ coaching job without even mentioning YSU or FCS, Fact. To me this is a plus for YSU, he's not in a hurry or desperate. Now as for him being difficult to work with, not a huge stretch of the imagination to believe that if he is a hot-head that seemingly, is unapologetic about a great deal, however this would mean that whatever staff he does have would be fiercely loyal, which could be both good and bad. One thing is for certain however, We will soon know whether he can COACH. Not just put SEC and BIG XII talent on the field and chew up useless wins. Not, somehow ;), go from coaching in High School to falling ass-backwards into coaching Montana, Young and Bono. But Coach up an athlete, an athlete with most likely zero of the polish he's used to. Certainly an interesting time in an interesting career.
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So Pelini is the savior ? 8) I made MY COMMENTS BASED ON what I KNOW . He is having PROBLEMS getting a staff. Even the ones he agreed to keep are leaving. Recruiting staff is challenging, no ? Heres a tip -- he is not only foul mouthed, arrogant and shoots from the hip often, he.............................. hold for it............................................... is NOT considered a great guy to work for. Having questionable recruiting skills will soon be answered. I suspect there will be a HOST of problems here with him and winning may not be the the expected outcome. But I'll let everyone hang themselves with their comments while I pass along my outlooks and inside info. For certain, the heat is going to get turned up and its going to get laughable here. Grab some popcorn. You can laugh at Paladin being wrong ( highly unlikely and rare) or cry about another Strollo gift that blows up in everyone faces ( which has been a regular act).
We go through assistant coach musical chairs nearly every year as our assistants move up to better offers in FBS or pros. Maybe a little more so this year because of the HC change, but not much more. No big deal here--this is simply part of being in the FCS.
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Pelini could have coached anywhere and he decided this is where he wants to be. I went away to school here and this is where I want to be. So I find that kinda cool. We need more people who want to be here Is Pelini a Tressel no he isn't and I don't want him to be. He will make mistakes and his coaching staff will probably take awhile to develop. He didn't come here to fail. But what happened in the 90's was a freak accident and caused our expectations to be so high. If we would make the playoffs every other year that's a start and to get 10 to 15k true fans is another. let's let this guy put his stamp on the program and let them play a few games before we bash him into submission.
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Dana Balash reporting that Ron Stoops will be the DC....
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If that is true, it's all going to implode early. It's all downhill now.
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I hope that is not true. RS should go back to high school where he was a good coach. Then again maybe RS will surprise me.
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Pelini could have coached anywhere and he decided this is where he wants to be. I went away to school here and this is where I want to be. So I find that kinda cool. We need more people who want to be here Is Pelini a Tressel no he isn't and I don't want him to be. He will make mistakes and his coaching staff will probably take awhile to develop. He didn't come here to fail. But what happened in the 90's was a freak accident and caused our expectations to be so high. If we would make the playoffs every other year that's a start and to get 10 to 15k true fans is another. let's let this guy put his stamp on the program and let them play a few games before we bash him into submission.
Agree with most of your post but take exception with the 90's being a freak accident, was APpy st or Gsu freaks. I think not, AD's made good choices, head coaches made good choices everything came together. Sure some things had to fall into place but the wording Freak Accident just sounds a bit harsh and does not give credit to those who made it happen.
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I agree. Not sold on Stoops as DC....
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Might as well give Don Bucci a coaching job as well if that's the direction he's going. I was really excited about hiring Bo but after this maybe not as much.
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I would not say what happened in the 90's was a freak accident. What I would say is it was a once in a century type of decade for YSU football. And, the 90's are an aberration when compared to every other decade of YSU football. YSU historically is a 6-5 program. Look up the historic records.
YSU had alot of very good players. Those teams had a mix of excellent athletes who for one reason or another ended up at YSU instead of FBS schools. They had plenty of players who were overlooked by the FBS programs and even most FCS programs. Guys who could flat out play football, but were deemed too small or a step to slow. The program fared very well with local players who went away to Big Time FBS programs transferring back to YSU.
And, very importantly, they had a very good HC who had the patience to remain at YSU, whether than leaving for any FBS job offered. The only time prior to 2001 that I thought Tressel was going to leave was in 95 to go to Miami. Fortunately for YSU, there were personal reasons that kept him from taking the job, not too mention that Miami was on probation. After that point, I had a strong sense the only job he would leave for was OSU. That job usually come open every 8-12 years. I never thought he would get hired by OSU, as I figured they would go with a bigger "name". And, I thought his lack of FBS Head Coaching experience would be held against him.
It is rare for a HC like Tressel to stay at an FCS school for 15 years. He was wise enough to realise though that being a big fish in a small pond was better than a small fish in a big pond. OSU was too good of a job to turn down. The others, they were pretty much lateral moves, except for an increase in pay. I do remember Marsdhall made a run at Tressel, but there is no way he was taking that job. At YSU, Tressel also had Conatser by his side most of those years, along with Stoops. And, then a bunch of good, hungry assistant coaches, that have gone on to be DC's, OC's and HC's at FBS programs. Enough consistency with the staff for there to be a sense of stability, and then a good mix of young, talented assistants that bought into what Tressel was selling. And, then those coaches, along with Tressel got the players to buy in, which is very important. After a rough start the first 3 years, YSU became consistently one of the top programs in FCS. And, when that happened, then the majority of the upper class players worked on getting the frosh and transfers to "buy in". Throw in being at a school in an area that needed something to help life the spirits of the community and an area where football is extremely popular, and you have the framework for a dynasty. And, at that time, there were alot more kids playing high school football in the "State of Youngstown" that had the ability to play at YSU. And, Tressel and his staff did a great job getting this kids to YSU, not too mention letting the guys who went to FBS schools that they would be welcome at YSU if things did not work out at their chosen school.
I could be wrong, but my take on Wolford is he was only going to be at YSU 4 or 5 years either way. He would either come in an turn things around, then go off to be HC at an FBS school, or have what happened end up happening, and then get fired. But, that is the kind of person who is most likely to have success at an FCS school. A person hungry to prove they can be an HC, and who has their aspirations set much higher than YSU.
AS for the report Stoops will be DC, that is surprising. I figured Pelinin would be DC. Defense is his strength, and he has enough experience as an HC to be able to handle being both HC and DC. I wonder if Stoops is going to be co-Defensive Coordinator, or something of that sort, and Balash just reported the info incorrectly?
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To take that back a little further, we had the same coach from 1936 to 1974. A really good short-term guy that took off for IA (not the state, the division). In fact he left us and took SIU to the I-AA national championship. From there we hired Narduzzi ...was around for quite a while (10 years) and should have been longer. Tressel for 15, Heacock for 9 ...then Wolf for 5. It will be interesting to see how Pelini takes his place in YSU history.
As to Stoops being DC ...probably not great move in and by itself, but has a lot to do with Bo's strengths. Bo has an idea of what he wants from the D and see's Ron as a man that he can trust to get it done. Bring in a star and you have to let him do what he wants.
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I personally don't feel it's a great move but at the same token I can't say I'm surprised. Just wonder how much effort Pelini put into his search before this hire. A Quality linebacker coach on this level is much easier to find then a quality D.C..the offenses have become so advanced in the Missouri Valley and it will be a challenge..Bo's the captain of the ship and we must support his decision..hopefully it works out
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This time around I agree with Paladin and Let's talk. Ron Stoops showed me nothing as linebackers coach. And is this a Mooney guy taking care of another Moony guy? Stoops for the past several years was part of a defense that couldn't get off the field.
Yes, what happened here in the 1990's is once in a century, the goal should be a playoff team. Dominating like we did won't happen again in our lifetime. Enjoy the memories and what Coach Tressel did.
North Dakota State is enjoying that kind of run right now.
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Stoops? The whole family has lost their luster as coaches! :o
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Coach Carter gone:
Delaware State (FCS): Former Louisville special teams coordinator / running backs coach Kenny Carter has been hired as the program’s new head coach. Carter spent last season at Youngstown State as passing game coordinator and c0-special teams coordinator.
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I heard Coach Pelini will be calling the defense. DC just by title, just like every OC, when Coach Tressel was in charge!
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Outstanding Hire:
@HuskerExtraSip: Had great talk tonight with Ron Brown. He's the new associate H.C. and running backs coach at Youngstown State. Column coming. #Huskers
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Outstanding Hire:
@HuskerExtraSip: Had great talk tonight with Ron Brown. He's the new associate H.C. and running backs coach at Youngstown State. Column coming. #Huskers
I did not read about it from Huskers posting until today (linking to his picture and story). I saw him on campus yesterday. But, I did not realize that was him until after reading the post. I hope he can help us. Go Penguins.
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Great hire.
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I heard Coach Pelini will be calling the defense. DC just by title, just like every OC, when Coach Tressel was in charge!
Klacik was a good OC while JT was calling the plays. Afterwards, not so much.
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Ron Brown is a great hire. He is also a great recruiter and a great person. I and most Nebraska fans hated to see him not be retained in Lincoln.
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Klacik ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D...................... don't get me started. BTW, if you want to know why Miami(O.) was so bad this year and also got beat by FCS Eastern Ky., their OC was........................................................... hold for it...................................................... Johnny Klacik !! Wonder how much unbalanced line they ran ! 8)
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Klacik ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D...................... don't get me started. BTW, if you want to know why Miami(O.) was so bad this year and also got beat by FCS Eastern Ky., their OC was........................................................... hold for it...................................................... Johnny Klacik !! Wonder how much unbalanced line they ran ! 8)
I wonder if they had a second page in their playbook.
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NDSU has done the same thing and won 4-national titles doing it.
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Klacik single handedly lost us the chance for the playoffs in 2001. We lost to both title game participants by only a few points because the te was loaded aND the defense was fantastic. Klacik's terrible play call ingredients ruined our chances. Run it up the middle 8000 times. Even NDSU doesn't do that. He sacked at lock haven too. Now he is sucking up another program.
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If Klacik gets a sniff of a position I'll never be back. THE WORST EVER.
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Why are we talking about Klacik?
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Why are we talking about Klacik?
Amen
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Why are we talking about Klacik?
LOL! Lost souls on here.. Still praising Wolford for all his work ::)
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Didn't mean for this to get off topic. Was just trying to expound on what YSU45 had said.
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As I suspected...
@DanaBalash21: .@21WFMJSports I'm hearing former Mooney & Nebraska player Tim Marlowe joining Bo Pelini's staff at Youngstown State.
Great kid. Great family.
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As I suspected...
@DanaBalash21: .@21WFMJSports I'm hearing former Mooney & Nebraska player Tim Marlowe joining Bo Pelini's staff at Youngstown State.
Great kid. Great family.
Sounds great! Glad to hear it.
Now the clock starts to see how long it takes for some people on the board to explain to the rest of us why this is just another step closer to the total implosion of athletics at YSU. Tic, tic tic
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As I suspected...
@DanaBalash21: .@21WFMJSports I'm hearing former Mooney & Nebraska player Tim Marlowe joining Bo Pelini's staff at Youngstown State.
Great kid. Great family.
Sounds great! Glad to hear it.
Now the clock starts to see how long it takes for some people on the board to explain to the rest of us why this is just another step closer to the total implosion of athletics at YSU. Tic, tic tic
LOL. Exactly.
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Good hire, but he has no experience. No implosion ...just reality.
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Honesty, guys, just honesty !
People spend much of their lives living a lie, telling lies, promoting lies, etc.
Deal with reality.
A better chat to be had when the staff is "complete". Then tell the truth.
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Chad Krispinsky @ChadK426 · 3m 3 minutes ago
I'm hearing YSU's Bo Pelini will hire former OSU DB Richard McNutt to coach DB's. Former Nebraska Asst. Brian Crist will coach WR's.
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Per Joe Scalzo Bo is considering hiring his brother Carl as the Defensive line coach
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Per Joe Scalzo Bo is considering hiring his brother Carl as the Defensive line coach
Youngstown...the land of 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances.
Hope he gets it right this time.
I don't this program can afford too much more experimentation.
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Per Joe Scalzo Bo is considering hiring his brother Carl as the Defensive line coach
I'm good with that. My only reservation is his slow start as HC at FAU.
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He must be nuts. Another black eye for YSU. The good old boy system in full bloom.
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I have changed my opinion on if he hires his brother. The coaching fraternity is about you hire who you trust and know. Our division lets us take chances on players that made a mistake in the past. So why not coaches. We are getting a high quality hire who needs to prove himself.
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I have changed my opinion on if he hires his brother. The coaching fraternity is about you hire who you trust and know. Our division lets us take chances on players that made a mistake in the past. So why not coaches. We are getting a high quality hire who needs to prove himself.
Agreed, good point.
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We are getting a high quality hire who needs to prove himself.
And if he proves himself to the better, that is good for YSU
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Everybody deserves a 2nd chance. I'm fine with it.
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Everybody deserves a 2nd chance. I'm fine with it.
+1
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Well if we are doing it for one ...then let's take them both. I always liked Rekstis.
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Drug heaven. Opposing recruiters will have a field day. This will come back to bite them.
I told you it was going to be a comedy. Many laughs still on the way.
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Drug heaven. Opposing recruiters will have a field day. This will come back to bite them.
I told you it was going to be a comedy. Many laughs still on the way.
I couldn't agree more. It's just amazing how most people on this board can turn their heads when it comes to issues surrounding Bo, Brown, or Carl like nothing has ever happened. Now go lead our young men at Y.S.U. to victory please !!
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Cocaine just means he's energetic ;)
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I hope Bo wins, and I am supportive. But I agree with the last two posts. Hiring Bo was controversial, the guy needs need anger management support. Then the assistant who bashes gay and lesbians, not smart at a public school in 2015. But nothing awful here.
But Carl Pelini is no good, fired because of drugs, and allegations of partying with students. Surprised President Tressel is going to let this happen. And why do so many here think he is this great coach? What has he done to get this praise.
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A few thoughts:
I don't think Pres. Tressel is as involved in the football program as many think or hope. I am sure he is aware of all that is going on, but it would not be to the best interest of the program to hire a coach and then run the program from the President's office.
Second, I think Pres. Tressel has his hands full dealing with the problems of the university and the tension between faculty and athletics. This problem is at every university, but it hits YSU hard because of budget and financial justification.
That said, I am not sure that there is a big waiting list of coaches worth their salt trying to join the staff at Youngstown. Right now, the coaching staff is not complete and spring practice is 21 days away. Very difficult situation for a first year coach with high expectations; even more than Wolford started with.
If the program catapults in the right direction, a lot will be forgiven. Unfortunately, we have had years of results to fuel the skepticism.
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Tressel always gave players second chances. I was at an event recently and he was very passionate on where and what his expectations are for the players and program. He wants to be here.
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You people are sick. Wanting to win is no excuse to turn your head to SERIOUS drug abuse. Carl was a failure as a coach. He is Pelinis brother. Nothing more. And YSU opens itself to scorn and ridicule if Bo hires him and Strollo and tressel look the other way. Schools will use it against us in recruiting. It will be discussed with recruit parents. The community should be up in anger over this. Unlike Bo's anger problems and potty mouth, he has NO RIGHT to bring his drug abusing brother here and coach. Bo doesn't run this place. Even Youngstown must have "some" standards and it's already viewed as an armpit. WAKE UP !
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Drug heaven. Opposing recruiters will have a field day. This will come back to bite them.
I told you it was going to be a comedy. Many laughs still on the way.
I couldn't agree more. It's just amazing how most people on this board can turn their heads when it comes to issues surrounding Bo, Brown, or Carl like nothing has ever happened. Now go lead our young men at Y.S.U. to victory please !!
I am not turning my head. I am saying that if we bring in Carl ...I really do not know his ability. I do know that Retskis is solid. If I had my choice, I would hire neither; or Pete and not Carl. (BTW: I was under the impression that it was weed, not Coke. Was there not party videos with them posing holding a joint?).
Brown is a non-issue. I am more concerned with his coaching ability than any social issues.
Bo is an awesome hire ...can do nothing but help the program. If he cannot handle the play-off level, he will not be here. His concentration on local recruits is a plus and if his ability is "as advertised" will not be a concern. I have had enough of recruits that have the tangibles, but lack ability. Any negativism from Bo's former employer is made nonsensical by the 10-years they kept him.
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Hate to say it, but Paladin is right. Second chances I get, but the blatant nepotism would be embarrassing to the university.
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My understanding is it was NOT weed. yOu snort what he supposedly did. I also understand it was shared. It was widespread and ongoing as Was discovered. University tried to hide it all ( and it was ugly ) and just get Pete and him out, quietly. The option was there for HARD time on drug charges and they opted for the quiet route. He isn't hirable anywhere (exceptYSU). People are nuts trying to change the subject. Stay on point. If you are a parent, you want your kid playing for a coach with a drug background ? Jesus Christ,it's now pathetic here.
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Btw players who use drugs are thrown off the team. Now we are hiring coaches instead ? The program is a laughing stock
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Seems to me that Bo is having trouble finding a D-Line coach if he is considering Carl....
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You make valid point Paladin, but you lack credibility. In part, because you make too much out of things. Just say you would prefer the university not hire him ..I think everyone would agree. As usual, what you are saying is obvious to blind mouse.
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As for the nepotism ...there is not a quality program in the nation that does not have it and I would not have it any other way at YSU. Look at the Southwest Conference. Countless millions going out to recruits/players and it took how many decades to find out? Sometimes what people know WILL hurt them.
Also, you have NO IDEA what went on at FAU, so why do you act as though you do? Furthermore I resent your calling my university a laughing-stock. If that is the case, then this must be the pot and the kettle. As far as I can see, Carl is not a coach at this point. I might add that you ignore some obvious facts about the case. First of all there is no case. Secondly, Carl asked that his resignation be withdrawn and the University president agreed. There was a photo taken at a party of him having weed ...not coke. (to me one is as bad as the other, just pointing out facts). The letter terminating Carl Pelini's FAU employment was for failure to report possible improper (not illegal) conduct of a fellow staff member. Thirdly, Pete is the defensive coordinator at Rhode Island. So don't forget to call them a laughing stock as well.
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Seems to me that Bo is having trouble finding a D-Line coach if he is considering Carl....
why
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I'll just drop this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdsAcgbJGM
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Carl has applied to various high schools in and around Lincoln and can't even land a job as a assistant..that should tell you about everything you need to know. My view on Bo Pelini will not change untill he apologizes for the use of vulgarities towards women. If those tapes were released sooner he's more then likely not the head coach today. The fact that Tressel had a chance to act before he was under contract is another story. Believe it or not Bo's past character issue's cost him alot of quality recruits in this year's class. The same can be said for the difficulty with putting together the staff. I've ask myself the question what is the most important thing here..everyone else should as well
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Carl has applied to various high schools in and around Lincoln and can't even land a job as a assistant..that should tell you about everything you need to know. My view on Bo Pelini will not change untill he apologizes for the use of vulgarities towards women. If those tapes were released sooner he's more then likely not the head coach today. The fact that Tressel had a chance to act before he was under contract is another story. Believe it or not Bo's past character issue's cost him alot of quality recruits in this year's class. The same can be said for the difficulty with putting together the staff. I've ask myself the question what is the most important thing here..everyone else should as well
Use of certain words in the English language has nothing to do with a person's character. It could in some cases but you would be placing astereotype on those people. Some comedians use vulgar language all the time. Does that make themaybe bad characters?
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When it's done in front of student/athlete's it does. I'm sure several player's at Y.S.U. have a special place in their hearts for their mother's, sister's and girlfriend's..Y.S.U. has been in full damage control mode since day one..If you haven't noticed lately Ron Jaworski has been on campus a great deal as of late..praising the hiring of Bo on behalf of the campus officials as Nebraska's loss and Y.S.U.'s gain..trying to earn back the respect of women through out the university...wake up people
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Boy am I glad I did not apply for the YSU head fb job!
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I'll just drop this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdsAcgbJGM
That is hilarious! Did not know Carl was such a good actor. Although it is not going to change my mind, it shows a human side of him.
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Drug heaven. Opposing recruiters will have a field day. This will come back to bite them.
Win and opposing recruiters will be left out in the field.
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The fact is - Bo Pelini is now the coach; love him or hate him, but at least support the team.
I wish some faculty came under the same scrutiny as the coaches,as they influence more students than just the athletes, but that is for another forum.
GO GUINS!
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Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, its about wins, filling the stands and running a clean program. I don't care what happened in the past. I don't care what people's views are and I am not going to judge a Football coach on if he likes Miller beer or Jack Daniels whiskey! I will judge on wins and losses and getting to the playoffs. If he is an atheist or gas a potty mouth who cares he is a freakin football coach. Let him coach the guy has won games and I think he will win here. I could careless if he isn't a supporter of the rainbow coalition! lol
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This is new. A team, school, area so desperate for wins that it would be willing to gamble its very identity for it. The gamble? Bo, Ron and Carl are perfect, hard working football coaches that turn YSU around and restore its Northeast Ohio greatness back to 1991 levels (because lets face it, being nationally or even regionally known isn't in the cards, especially with the big 5 now). OR, Bobo, Ronnie and Carlsbad form their own version of the 3 athletic stooges, and a nationwide I told you so reverberates all the way up to the president's office.
Point A, there aren't many schools that would do this, ie schools clamoring for the services of some of Bo Pelini's new and prospective staff. They still realize that their perception of an academic institution is, in the long run, Ultimately is more important than wins (if your not power 5), and that these hires would bring that perception into question. Which further begs the question what is the YSU administration's view of themselves? This is an awfully desperate move to feel you have to take. Most schools will, and have settled for football mediocrity rather than desperation. Also, questions are raised as to just how many people are wiling to work for Bo, and how many people Bo feels he can actually trust, both are potentially dangerous answers.
Point B, IF Carl does come aboard, with the drug issues that YSU's football team has had (or any football team for the sake of fairness) How seriously would his players take his pleas to be smart, do the right thing, make good decisions...Not a very good example. But then again...desperation has no time for examples.
Point C, the most amazing thing about this possible decision (minus the interesting ones already made). The cons FAR outweigh the pros. Win the gamble..and YSU is now talked about, semi-regionally, with the likes of Mount Union; play Kent, Akron and probably win (who really cares). Get it wrong, and ESPN is on the doorstep with every on location anchor they can scrum up, including a now "disappointed" Jaworski, the NCAA blah blah blah. More pock marks for a pocked marked area. More curious, even with the pros (multiple national championships) you still have an athletic department that will never be solvent (the economic facts say this), to make semi-regional success happen?...
Point D, "Rainbow Coalition? lol"....what a limited scope, But desperation is usually hyper focused.
I wonder how many universities will stop changing paint schemes on the titanic and get to the business of dropping this blood sucking, predatory, bar-lowering sport and let basketball and olympic sports be the "marketing department" and "investment" of the institution. And leave the hopes of profiting off of sports to those institutions that actually have the capital and alumni to make it happen.
In reality there was no right hire for this job, now or in the future, unless YSU begs, borrows, and steals its way into DI, increases athletic spending by 85 million a year, and hopes the big 5 will play Tattaglia to it's Solozzo.
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Lol, you people are unreal.
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People like to hear themselves talk. You either like the idea of a Carl Pelini hire, or not. Reasons are pretty obvious either way. What do people think of other coaches ...ones that we know we already have?
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Lets_Talk. I'm tired of the misinformation. I admit that I know Carl, and I am bias, but everything I list here can be found with a little research. That's what I did. Paladin doesn't get it. And you can make the stats say anything you want. Let's go through the list.
When Carl took over Winnetonka they had won two games in 2 years. He went 3-7, 3-7, and then 8-2 and was named Coach of the Year. He left for Fitch, and Winnetonka made the playoffs two of the next three years.
Same story at Fitch. When he took over, they had won 2 games the previous year. They were bad. He improved their numbers and established a program. They won 3, 2 or 3 the second year, and went 6-4 his final year. The next year, they were arguably one of the best teams in the state, with the same staff, and lost in the playoffs to McKinley. Yes, the current coach must be good, but both schools would agree that they were better off after his tenure.
Next, DC at Minnesota State. They hadn't won the previous year. They started the season 1-6, and finished 6-6. They defeated Nebraska Omaha, ranked first in the country, in the final game. His defense was dominant.
At Ohio, he was defensive line coach for Frank Solich. We know the job that staff has done there, and it was during his time that they went to their first bowl game in 30 years. His defensive line and three first team, and six total all-conference performers.
At Nebraska, when Carl was here, we were ranked in the top ten in almost every category during the entire five years he was here. I can't even count the number of all-Americans he had while coordinator, and I have heard many of them attribute their success to his coaching. These numbers were never equaled after his departure.
As for all the rumors and innuendos of what happened at FAU, all of you are incorrect. It amazes me. It's like the old "telephone game." Paladin made all that up. I won't even respond to him. What I do know is that if and when he returns to coaching, all of this will become clear with the information that will be released.
Finally, he did not "apply" for high school coaching jobs. He wanted to stay near his son, and "inquired" about what he would have to do to re-certify. He hasn't taught in over ten years, and the amount of continuing education that would be required was substantial, despite his two masters degrees. He decided not to go that route.
I want to be a fan. I would love to stay a member to keep up on Bo. But I can't stand the misinformation that is being passed on as fact.
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Thanks NP.
As most people have seen there is a small group that just keep repeating and repeating and repeating their facts. Not sure what their motives are and to a degree I really do not care. I figured out a long time ago that these type of folks are usually short on facts and hope that if they say it enough it must be true.
But it is a free country and if it makes them feel better then have at it. On my side I can choose to not read posts from certain posters.
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Please keep this thread to the subject at hand ...coaches and coaching. No religion, no socially-relevant issues. If you need a reason why ...here is one of many...because I do not care and it is my board. If you want to bash Carl Pelini (a man not even employed at YSU) or coach Brown. go to the other board or better yet ...another site. If you have concerns about them fine, say it and move on.
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Lets_Talk. I'm tired of the misinformation. I admit that I know Carl, and I am bias, but everything I list here can be found with a little research. That's what I did. Paladin doesn't get it. And you can make the stats say anything you want. Let's go through the list.
When Carl took over Winnetonka they had won two games in 2 years. He went 3-7, 3-7, and then 8-2 and was named Coach of the Year. He left for Fitch, and Winnetonka made the playoffs two of the next three years.
Same story at Fitch. When he took over, they had won 2 games the previous year. They were bad. He improved their numbers and established a program. They won 3, 2 or 3 the second year, and went 6-4 his final year. The next year, they were arguably one of the best teams in the state, with the same staff, and lost in the playoffs to McKinley. Yes, the current coach must be good, but both schools would agree that they were better off after his tenure.
Next, DC at Minnesota State. They hadn't won the previous year. They started the season 1-6, and finished 6-6. They defeated Nebraska Omaha, ranked first in the country, in the final game. His defense was dominant.
At Ohio, he was defensive line coach for Frank Solich. We know the job that staff has done there, and it was during his time that they went to their first bowl game in 30 years. His defensive line and three first team, and six total all-conference performers.
At Nebraska, when Carl was here, we were ranked in the top ten in almost every category during the entire five years he was here. I can't even count the number of all-Americans he had while coordinator, and I have heard many of them attribute their success to his coaching. These numbers were never equaled after his departure.
As for all the rumors and innuendos of what happened at FAU, all of you are incorrect. It amazes me. It's like the old "telephone game." Paladin made all that up. I won't even respond to him. What I do know is that if and when he returns to coaching, all of this will become clear with the information that will be released.
Finally, he did not "apply" for high school coaching jobs. He wanted to stay near his son, and "inquired" about what he would have to do to re-certify. He hasn't taught in over ten years, and the amount of continuing education that would be required was substantial, despite his two masters degrees. He decided not to go that route.
I want to be a fan. I would love to stay a member to keep up on Bo. But I can't stand the misinformation that is being passed on as fact.
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:D It's awesome that it took an outsider to point out that Pally, FEVER, Lets talk and a few others are full of sh** LOL!!! ::)
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1AA Fan,
You are an a$$. You are correct, this is your board. But, if you are going to move a topic, at least move the ENTIRE TOPIC. Do not single out the posts of a few people and move those, and then leave the rest of the thread open. That is total BULLsh**.
There was NO POLITICS in my comments. NO POLITICS in the comments of Paladin, Observer or FOOTBALLFEVER.
And, it is complete bullsh** for you to start a new thread in the BS section, but make it as if I started the thread, and thus I cannot delete the first post in that thread. YOU started the thread that is now in the BS section, not me. What a freaking joke.
Your board is a joke. Please remove EVERY user name you have saved for me. The fact you do not allow people to remove their user names is a joke. That allows you to boast of having tens or hundreds more users than the board actually has. If 1 person has used 4,5,6 different user names, that is ONE USER, not 4,5,6. If a person has stopped posting, and wants to delete their account but cannot, that is a person who is no longer active.
Why are you and others so bothered by legitimate discussions about Bo Pelini, Ron Brown and now Carl Pelini. Do you really think these issues are going to go away. This IS part of YSU football and YSU athletics. This is what YSU get's for hiring Bo Pelini and Ron Brown. It comes with the territory when making controversial hires and hiring HIGH PROFILE COACHES that have run into problems at previous jobs. All you are doing is proving just how small time YSU and FCS football truly are, because the discussions being had about Bo, Ron Brown and Carl Pelini are commonplace on message boards of major programs, even major programs at the FCS level. And, they are sure as hell common on FBS boards. Making this all the more ridiculous, is all the people that post on here wanting YSU to move up to FBS. Newsflash, you could NEVER handle having a board for an FBS program.
Please, please, please delete EVERY post I have ever made on this board. I will go ahead and ban myself once the posts have been deleted, but I cannot delete the account. Only you can do that. I am BEGGING you to delete the account. So, will you delete the account, or have me stop posting, but then keep the account on the list of user names, to make it appear this board has considerably more users that the actually number of users?
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1AA Fan,
You are an a$$. You are correct, this is your board. But, if you are going to move a topic, at least move the ENTIRE TOPIC. Do not single out the posts of a few people and move those, and then leave the rest of the thread open. That is total BULLsh**.
There was NO POLITICS in my comments. NO POLITICS in the comments of Paladin, Observer or FOOTBALLFEVER.
And, it is complete bullsh** for you to start a new thread in the BS section, but make it as if I started the thread, and thus I cannot delete the first post in that thread. YOU started the thread that is now in the BS section, not me. What a freaking joke.
Your board is a joke. Please remove EVERY user name you have saved for me. The fact you do not allow people to remove their user names is a joke. That allows you to boast of having tens or hundreds more users than the board actually has. If 1 person has used 4,5,6 different user names, that is ONE USER, not 4,5,6. If a person has stopped posting, and wants to delete their account but cannot, that is a person who is no longer active.
Why are you and others so bothered by legitimate discussions about Bo Pelini, Ron Brown and now Carl Pelini. Do you really think these issues are going to go away. This IS part of YSU football and YSU athletics. This is what YSU get's for hiring Bo Pelini and Ron Brown. It comes with the territory when making controversial hires and hiring HIGH PROFILE COACHES that have run into problems at previous jobs. All you are doing is proving just how small time YSU and FCS football truly are, because the discussions being had about Bo, Ron Brown and Carl Pelini are commonplace on message boards of major programs, even major programs at the FCS level. And, they are sure as hell common on FBS boards. Making this all the more ridiculous, is all the people that post on here wanting YSU to move up to FBS. Newsflash, you could NEVER handle having a board for an FBS program.
Please, please, please delete EVERY post I have ever made on this board. I will go ahead and ban myself once the posts have been deleted, but I cannot delete the account. Only you can do that. I am BEGGING you to delete the account. So, will you delete the account, or have me stop posting, but then keep the account on the list of user names, to make it appear this board has considerably more users that the actually number of users?
Let's Talk, I hope you reconsider. I've enjoyed your input. You have a unique perspective that this board needs. I think every poster has some beef with this forum. Mine is the support of individuals that harm the University and it's athletics (the AD, and MBB HC for a few examples). Overall, however, it is a great way to vent as well as stay up to date with the University.
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Overall, however, it is a great way to vent as well as stay up to date with the University.
That is exactly what the board is for & it could not have been said any better. Anything else is just banter.
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PenguinNation,
Thank you, but what is there to reconsider? This is the SECOND thread 1AA Fan has moved that involved discussion about the coaching staff. And, this time, he took comments made by myself, Paladin, NebraskaPenguin and a few others, started a new thread in the BS section, and has it so that I am listed as the person who started the thread. And, just so you know, at least 2 posts you made on THIS THREAD have been moved to the BS section. Why, I have no idea other than it is 1AAFan's board, and like the kid that brings the only ball to play kickball, basketball, baseball, football, soccer...etc, he can take his ball and go home any time he wants.
Thus, that thread now makes no sense, given people were responding to comments made by myself and others. And, this thread here is out of balance, because posts have been removed.
YSU now has a high profile, former FBS Head Coach. A person with a long track record. A person who is a lightning rod for controversy, and who really does not care. He is who he is, and dealing with the controversy comes with the territory. He hired a former assistant of his from Nebraska, who is also a lightning rod for controversy, and like Bo does not seem to care. In fact, Ron Brown almost seems to relish the controversy. Then there is the POSSIBILITY of Carl Pelini being a part of the staff. A person who has been an assistant at the FBS level at one of the most well known college programs in the country, plus OU, another FBS program. And he was most recently and a Head Coach at the FBS level, and has controversy in his past from his time at FAU, and the reasons he is no longer the HC. Those are just facts. This is not going away. If anything, it will intensify as the season nears, and maybe even during Spring practice. YSU will get alot of national media attention for mistakes made by Bo, Ron Brown and Carl if hired. They will get little national attention for successes, because of being an FCS program. That is the reality of college football in the year 2015.
So, discussions like what has transpired on this thread, and on the thread about Ron Brown are the new normal at YSU. That is what happens when hiring prominent people who have a history of being controversial figures, and for whom there are hundreds of articles out there on line about the controversies in which they have been involved. I've read comments about Bo and Carl on Nebraska fan boards that I never passed on, largely because they are comments that have no links to back up the accusations. The things I've posted are things found in links on the internet, and also articles in The Jambar, the school newspaper.
What is the point of me remaining? This is far from the first time I have apparently gotten on the nerves of many of the people who post. So, why stay? Why subject myself to this BS? Why subject others to my posts? My life does not revolve around YSU Athletics, and now that I'm in Las Vegas, I also support UNLV as this is now my home. I will just spend my time as far as discussing college athletics on the UNLV message board.
To people I offended with my language, I apologize. Having said that, the language in my post is very tame compared to what you will be getting with Bo Pelini as HC. Not an indictment of Bo, just stating a fact. One he would most likely agree with, and there are also the audio and video readily available.
I let my temper get to me, and for that I apologize. Not for the point of my post, but some of the language. And, I'm leaving the post up to show I am a person prone to allowing their emotions to get the best of them at times, and I'm also willing to admit fault and apologize when that happens.
Alaina
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Overall, however, it is a great way to vent as well as stay up to date with the University.
That is exactly what the board is for & it could not have been said any better. Anything else is just banter.
What is a good point, people venting? If so, then why is MY venting not welcome? I agree that the ENTIRE POST made by PenguinNation was a very good post. And, this is a person with whom I do not always agree, and PenguinNation does not always agree with me. So what? It is possible to disagree and still appreciate what others have to say, and the contributions they make to discussions. And, one has to confine themselves to a very small bubble in order to have discussions with people that they agree with 100% of the time. That does not even happen with spouses, siblings and best friends.
BTW, I am way past tired of what passes as a men's basketball program at YSU, and given the state of the men's basketball program and all that is now taking place with football, I sadly am in agreement with PenguinNation and others about the AD. I say this, because I have known the AD since middle school, and have defended him often on this forum, when others were calling for his head. Now, I'm moving toward the group that believes the current AD is not the right person for the job, and that saddens me. :(
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You know. I don't really care. All of the evidence is based off of media reports. I just went on the Buckeye Cancer Cruise and it was delayed due to fog. The news media has it so wrong that when I came into work 2 days later than expected everyone was asking how I got back. They thought it was still at sea.
My point is that I don't know what Carl Pelini does in his spare time, but how credible are the sources? He was at Nebraska for a long time before he left. Then they find out there is a problem when he is in Florida. Maybe he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. You would think the issues would have surfaced many years ago if he was really involved with drugs etc. (not saying he wasn't when he was younger etc, I don't know that either). Just saying that most journalism is sh**ty in these days and they don't get facts straight. I have seen it multiple times, especially while I was in the military and working as an intern for Mahoning County when I was in college.
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penguinpower,
You make valid points, especially about the media not always getting it correct. But, that is not going to change, and YSU now has 2 HIGH PROFILE coach's, with Carl being a 3rd if hired. And, as for Bo and Ron Brown, there is video and audio of things they have said and how they acted. I watched Bo on live television make an idiot of himself. That happens in the heat of the moment during sports, so it's not as if Bo is the only person to ever do that type of thing. I remember one time when Tressel was at OSU, the sideline camera clearly cuaght him saying "F#$K". Yes, Sweater Vest dropped the F-bomb, and it was captured live. I laughed my butt off. These kind of things also get played over and over and over on the myriad of sports networks. And, with Bo it has happened more than once. NOT saying it makes him a bad person. I am saying this kind of thing is perceived differently by different people, and Bo is going to be a major public face of YSU. My wife and I both use the F-word. But, as Mike Huckabee would say, we are "trashy", the likes you find in NYC and I guess you find here in Las Vegas :P ;)
As for Carl, what has me dumbfounded is if he is indeed innocent of using drugs at FAU, why did he sign a letter of resignation, that stated his resignation was IRREVOCABLE? NEVER, NEVER, NEVER sign your name to ANYTHING of that kind without consulting a lawyer, no matter how much pressure is put on you by an employer. And, why would he not sue the assistant coach and friend of multiple coaches at FAU that put their names on affidavits? That makes no sense. Your point about what has been written in the media is well taken. But, the signed affidavits are not things made up by the media. And, for whatever reason, Carl resigned and put his name on a legal document admitting to drug use, before trying to fight to get his job back.
Also, it is possible he may not have used pot or cocaine when at Nebraska. It's also possible he was using it but doing so it private. It's possible he never used pot or cocaine when at FAU. And, at a place like Nebraska, this kind of thing can get covered up if the powers that be wish for it to be covered up. That is true of most major college programs. It's also not uncommon for a person to use drugs/alcohol, be abusive to players, or other things of that nature, and not face any punishment until it somehow makes the school or administration look bad. Then you have the case of a guy like Bobby Knight, who was out of control his ENTIRE time at Indiana, yet did not get fired until his teams started coming up short in the NCAA Tournament. The administrators at Indiana shared responsibility for how Bobby Knight acted, because they let him get away with acting that way for decades. Then his teams stop winning as much, and suddenly it is a major issue and he has to be replaced.
No matter what the truth, this is going to follow Carl to his next job. I'm NOT saying that is right, especially if he is indeed innocent. Just pointing out a fact. What some people, myself included are saying is YSU already has Bo and Ron Brown. Adding Carl would just be too much. And, trust me, people will link all of this to Tressel and his rules violations at OSU, and also the fact YSU was on NCAA probation when Tressel was HC, and now he is University President.
And, I'm at a loss as to why having this discussion is somehow looked at as irrelevant to YSU and YSU Athletics?
I saw a person mention going after Mike Rice Jr to replace Slocum, and some responded NO WAY, he is damaged goods and not worth the negative attention it would bring. But, the guy can coach, he had alot of success at Robert Morris, and he claims he has changed and learned from his mistakes. So, why does he not deserve a 2nd chance, especially given YSU is quickly becoming the place for 2nd chances? The things he did at Rutger's were reprehensible, but everyone makes mistakes is what I keep reading in regards to Bo, Ron Brown and Carl Pelini. So, why is the same not true for Mike Rice Jr? The cynic in me says the reason is because he is a basketball coach, and men's basketball is at best 3rd in terms of priority, behind football and women's basketball.
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penguinpower,
As for Carl, what has me dumbfounded is if he is indeed innocent of using drugs at FAU, why did he sign an affidavit admitting to drug use? NEVER, NEVER, NEVER sign your name to ANYTHING of that kind without consulting a lawyer, no matter how much pressure is put on you by an employer. And, why would he not sue the assistant coach and friend of multiple coaches at FAU that put their names on affidavits? That makes no sense. Your point about what has been written in the media is well taken. But, the signed affidavits are not things made up by the media. And, for whatever reason, Carl resigned and put his name on a legal document admitting to drug use, before trying to fight to get his job back.
Pelini never signed an affidavit.
per the vindicator.
"Florida Atlantic’s athletic director, Pat Chun, confronted Pelini and Rekstis with the allegations on Oct. 30, 2013, and the coaches immediately resigned. Weeks later, Pelini asked that his resignation be withdrawn. That request was granted on Nov. 26, 2013, when FAU changed the resignation to a firing.FAU’s interim president, Dennis J. Crudele, then wrote a letter to Pelini saying he was fired for failing to report the conduct of a staff member and not for using illegal drugs.
- See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/feb/22/youngstown-state-football-carl-pelini-co/?newswatch#sthash.ciuIadpe.dpuf
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Mike Rice assaulted players, and there video of the multiple assaults on his players. He was even throwing basketballs at their heads.
There is an ocean of difference between multiple violent acts while on the job....and using illegal substances on your own time (if that's even what happened).
I don't get the Puritan standard for a FB coach when we have a POTUS who admitted to using way more drugs. These things shouldn't even be illegal....unless you want to support drug cartels, organized crime, and want the government telling you what you can put in your own body.
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PenguinPower,
I apologize for the mistake. Carl did however submit a letter of resignation. That is not the same as an affidavit, I understand. Still not sure why he would submit a signed letter of resignation though if not guilty?
The letter asked that his irrevocable resignation be accepted.... So, why do that if not guilty...Link contains the 2 sworn affidavits alleging drug use, the resignation letters of Carl and Rekstis, and e-mails
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college/football/sunbelt/2013-11-1-carl-pelini-documents.pdf
Here is a link that actually has what was written in the article in a form I can cut and paste. This article contained the text of the resignation letter, and then the brief comments Carl made when announcing his resignation. What poor judgement would he have exercised at this time to warrant resigning, other than use of the drugs he was accused of using? And, again, at the very least, he was very stupid for writing this letter, resigning when he did and making the public statement he did. He can claimed he was forced into this all he wants. You cannot be forced to resign. Instead, you say "I'm not admitting guilt for something I did not do, and if you want me removed from my job, then you will have to FIRE ME"
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/college-football/former-fau-football-coach-carl-pelini-fighting-to-/nbkwL/
..."Pelini’s letter of resignation read: “Please accept this as my irrevocable resignation from my position as head coach of the FAU football program affective immediately for personal reasons.”
He then issued a statement reading: “I apologize for exercising poor judgment. My greatest concerns at this time are for my family, the dedicated FAU players and my staff. I am confident that Pat Chun and the University administration will continue to move the program forward.”"...
And, this still does not answer the question as to why he would not sue the 2 people that signed affidavits if he was innocent. Those 2 individuals cost him his job, his reputation and seriously jeopardized his opportunity for future employment.
And, something to consider. If I were the one firing Pelini, I would not admit it was for drug use. Much better PR move to fire him for not reporting misconduct of a staff member.
I still think you are missing the point. Does YSU truly want to be putting out fires like this? AS it is, the press conference to introduce Bo Pelini as Head Coach was done in front of a limited group of media. Why not have it open to ANY member of the media interested in covering it, including ESPN, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, USAToday...etc
And, again, I apologize if I said Carl signed an affidavit. I will go back and check my posts, and remove that from ALL posts in which it was incorrectly stated.
Alaina
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PenguinPower,
I apologize for the mistake. Carl did however submit a letter of resignation. That is not the same as an affidavit, I understand. Still not sure why he would submit a signed letter of resignation though if not guilty?
The letter asked that his irrevocable resignation be accepted.... So, why do that if not guilty?
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college/football/sunbelt/2013-11-1-carl-pelini-documents.pdf
And, this still does not answer the question as to why he would not sue the 2 people that signed affidavits if he was innocent. Those 2 individuals cost him his job, his reputation and seriously jeopardized his opportunity for future employment.
And, something to consider. If I were the one firing Pelini, I would not admit it was for drug use. Much better PR move to fire him for not reporting misconduct of a staff member.
I still think you are missing the point. Does YSU truly want to be putting out fires like this? AS it is, the press conference to introduce Bo Pelini as Head Coach was done in front of a limited group of media. Why not have it open to ANY member of the media interested in covering it, including ESPN, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, USAToday...etc
And, again, I apologize if I said Carl signed an affidavit. I will go back and check my posts, and remove that from ALL posts in which it was incorrectly stated.
Alaina
It could have been strictly contractual with regard to $$$ as to why he resigned.
Plus if he doesn't then he has a difficult time getting hired somewhere else if he fights it.
Also if there is risk to losing money in court. If you sue somebody with nothing you get nothing so that may be the reason why he didn't sue. He is a public figure and may not want the attention.
Finally YSU is too small of a market for this to be big news. As Paladin pointed out the issue may occur in recruiting, with coaches that bash other schools. (North Dakota has been accused of this tactic not NDSU). That would be the only drawback. Pelini was not convicted of doing drugs and he denied it too. Carl has a big personality so you never know if there were some other motives. You are innocent until proven guilty in the USA last time I checked.
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Mike Rice assaulted players, and there video of the multiple assaults on his players. He was even throwing basketballs at their heads.
There is an ocean of difference between multiple violent acts while on the job....and using illegal substances on your own time (if that's even what happened).
I don't get the Puritan standard for a FB coach when we have a POTUS who admitted to using way more drugs. These things shouldn't even be illegal....unless you want to support drug cartels, organized crime, and want the government telling you what you can put in your own body.
I agree with your comments about Mike Rice Jr, and in NO WAY would I want him hired as basketball coach at YSU.
As for the POTUS and drug use, this is where 1AA Fan gets upset, and I'm going to DEFEND HIS POSITION. I'm also going to answer by saying that has NOTHING to do with YSU or YSU Athletics, and that the drug use of which you speak happened in COLLEGE. Plenty of prominent people have used drugs in high school and college and also abused alcohol. Big difference between doing it as a teen or when in college, and doing it as an ADULT who is responsible for molding the lives of young men as coaches like to say, and also having rules that penalize student-athletes for using drugs, or drinking alcohol if underage. And, in the case of Carl Pelini, he signed a contract that prohibited him from using pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs. I've had jobs where I signed such contracts, in addition to jobs where I had to pass a drug test in order to get hired. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE leave politics out of this.
And, again, this is an issue where 1AA Fan has my 100% support. NO BRINGING UP POLITICS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YSU IN ANYWAY.... And, 1AA Fan, if I've done this in the past, I APOLOGIZE and have NO PROBLEM going forward knowing that if I bring politics irrelevant to YSU into a discussion, that post will be removed by you or another administrator.
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I bring up POTUS's drug use only to demonstrate the strained logic of applying differing standards to a FB coach and a POTUS. I did not support or attack the President or his polices, but simply pointed out conflicting standards. I think even the most ardent Democrats acknowledge his drug use. The President acknowledged it himself in his autobiography.
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penguinpower,
Again, you are making very good points. The problem is that Carl did end up fighting things at FAU. And, that is most likely why he is having such difficulty finding a job, and also why alot of people are leary of his side of the story. As I have said in multiple posts, if going to go down fighting and burning bridges, then fight like hell and burn everything in sight. Especially if you know you are innocent.
Given that Pete Rekstis is now coaching at Rhode Island, I have a hard time believing Carl would not have been given a 2nd chance had he simply resigned as he did to begin with. And, it does not do any good pleading his case in the media. Do it IN COURT, especially against the people who DID sign affidavits, which if their claims were false they would be guilty of perjury. Win in court, and you come out ahead both money wise and also with regards to your reputation and good name.
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I bring up POTUS's drug use only to demonstrate the strained logic of applying differing standards to a FB coach and a POTUS. I did not support or attack the President or his polices, but simply pointed out conflicting standards. I think even the most ardent Democrats acknowledge his drug use. The President acknowledged it himself in his autobiography.
But you are injecting politics into the discussion. I tried very, very, very hard to answer your question and do so without bringing up politics. You make a comment like that, then another person makes a comment accusing you of hating the political figure mentioned, and next thing the thread is about POLITICS.
And, with the same fervor I lashed out at 1AAFan for chopping up this discussion and then moving parts of it to the BS Forum, with myself as the person who started the thread, I am going to DEFEND HIS STANCE OF NO POLITICS.
I cannot say anything more on all of this. I have already wasted wayyyyyyyyyyy too much time. I've said my peace, put thing out there for people to think about, vented, and now I am going to leave this discussion, rather than just keep repeating myself. To ALL who have commented, please know your points are well taken. I have not agreed with everyone, but several of you have said things that have led me to look at this situation at FAU differently. I still think though Carl being hired by YSU would be a mistake, and that it will be an issue in the National Media. But, that is not my decision to make, and I wish Carl Pelini the best going forward.
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So is it possible talk about a coach? Or are we going to let the monkey's drive the banana truck? Serious coaching issues:
1. Can Brown coach?
2. Is Stoops qualified to be DC?
Anything else?
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 1h 1 hour ago
@21WFMJSports I'm told by YSU source Carl Pelini will be an assistant coach on Penguin FB staff. Old staff contracts expire at midnight.
Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 1h 1 hour ago
.@21WFMJSports Its expected new YSU staff will be officially introduced next week.
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 1h 1 hour ago
@21WFMJSports I'm told by YSU source Carl Pelini will be an assistant coach on Penguin FB staff. Old staff contracts expire at midnight.
Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 1h 1 hour ago
.@21WFMJSports Its expected new YSU staff will be officially introduced next week.
Great News !! Welcome Home, Carl !!
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Scalzo:
Ten thoughts on Carl Pelini being added to Youngstown State’s football staff:
1. When Bo Pelini decided he wanted to add his brother Carl to his staff, he knew the biggest hurdle would be explaining Carl’s messy exit from Florida Atlantic midway through the 2013 season.
Carl Pelini resigned as FAU’s head coach on Oct. 30, 2013, amid reports that he and assistant coach Pete Rekstis had used marijuana and cocaine. One of Carl’s assistants, Matt Edwards, had signed an affidavit that he saw both coaches use the drugs and another woman, Allison Stewart, said she not only saw Pelini use marijuana, but that Pelini confirmed as much in a text message to her.
FAU athletic director Patrick Chun told reporters that when he confronted Pelini with the evidence, Pelini admitted it was true and resigned.
Carl, however, paints a very different picture of that meeting. He has repeatedly denied using drugs and YSU sources told me he passed three subsequent drug tests, including a hair follicle test. (I’m told Rekstis, a YSU graduate and former assistant coach for the Penguins, failed the drug test. He is now the defensive coordinator at Rhode Island.)
2. Pelini told Sports Illustrated that Edwards and Stewart were having an affair — I was told the same thing — and that he confronted them about it multiple times.
Carl claims they used the drug allegations as a way of trying to smear him. Carl also claims Chun double-crossed him during the meeting, with Chun originally telling him he was getting fired but promising to take care of him if he resigned, then telling a very different story in the press conference.
3. The unanswered question here is, why did Carl resign without at least having a lawyer look at what he was signing?
When I asked a YSU source that question, he said simply, “He made the biggest mistake of his life.”
When I asked why Carl didn’t immediately sue FAU or Edwards following Chun’s press conference, the source said, “Because he got very, very bad advice.”
Someone in Carl’s inner circle thought his being involved in a lawsuit would only hurt his chances to find another job.
4. That, obviously, was a colossal blunder. Pelini waited a week to refute the drug rumors — that’s WAY too long in the age of social media — and he hasn’t been hired since. He even got turned down for a high school job in Des Moines a few weeks ago.
Even worse, FAU interim coach Brian Wright (a former YSU assistant) led the Owls to a 4-0 record to finish the 2013 season after Pelini had gone just 5-15 during his tenure.
Pelini requested his resignation be changed to a firing and the school complied in late November, with FAU’s interim president Dennis J. Crudele saying he was fired for “termination with cause based on our finding that you failed to timely report certain conduct of a member of your staff, as required by your contract.”
Crudele also said Carl wasn’t fired for drug use.
But by then, the damage was done.
5. YSU’s other problem, at least from a public relations standpoint, is that Carl already had some baggage before the firing.
While YSU sources insist Carl does not have a drug problem — and never did — they admit he hasn’t been a choirboy over the last decade, either.
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His personality doesn’t help. Carl can be rude and unprofessional, something I learned firsthand when he was the head coach at Austintown Fitch. His final two seasons (2001-02) overlapped with my first two years at The Vindicator and he might be the single-most unpleasant coach I’ve ever dealt with. I think hiring him is a mistake.
6. That said, you either believe people can change or you don’t.
Bo believes Carl’s firing was the best thing that could have happened to him and that he’s in a much better place now. I’ve also been told that Bo has made it very clear that Carl has no room for error — anything more than a parking ticket and he’s gone.
Bo also thinks Carl is an excellent football coach who deserves another chance. He’s told people that Carl is the best defensive line coach he’s ever worked with, which is saying something considering his resume.
I’ve also been told that Carl chose YSU over an offer from an NFL team, with Bo telling Carl that this is the best option for him, personally and professionally.
7. One clarification about the defensive line position: I’m told Pelini retained Tom Sims, who spent the last five years coaching the defensive line under Wolford. But Sims left to take that same position at Pitt, his alma mater. A few other Eric Wolford assistants did the same, with safeties coach Mike Zordich leaving for Michigan and potential secondary coach Ross Watson leaving for Northern Illinois.
8. With Carl’s hiring, YSU is quickly developing a reputation as Redemption U.
Eric Wolford helped Mark Mangino rebuild his reputation, hiring him as tight ends coach in 2013 after a three-year layoff following his firing at Kansas. After a drama-free season, Mangino left to become the offensive coordinator at Iowa State.
Jim Tressel was hired as YSU’s president even though he is still operating under the NCAA’s show-cause penalty following his departure from Ohio State.
And Bo Pelini certainly made his share of enemies at Nebraska, including the athletic director.
9. As anyone who has lived in Youngstown more than five minutes knows, if the Pelini brothers win (and stay off the front page of The Vindicator), nobody in Youngstown will care what happened at Nebraska, FAU or anywhere else. Bo was hired to win football games and he believes Carl helps him do that. Period.
10. Still, it’s a risk. If Carl gets into trouble here, the criticism won’t stop with Bo. Tressel and athletic director Ron Strollo are also accountable, since they’re the ones who have to sign off on this deal.
Carl’s hiring sends a message that Bo, Tressel and Strollo believe Carl will have a positive influence on YSU’s players — and not just when it comes to football.
They’d better be right.
Joe Scalzo covers YSU athletics for The Vindicator. Write to him at scalzo@vindy.com and follow him on Twitter, @JoeScalzo1.
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Dana Balash reports that the official hiring of Carl Pelini is expected by the end of the week
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http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/3/10/8188365/bo-pelini-is-driving-his-car-like-some-weird-hooded-goblin-who-loves
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Carl's hiring a done deal per Wikipedia:
"On March 2, 2015, he was hired by his brother Bo as an assistant defensive coach at Youngstown State University"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Pelini
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Carl's hiring a done deal per Wikipedia:
"On March 2, 2015, he was hired by his brother Bo as an assistant defensive coach at Youngstown State University"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Pelini
I'm also an NBA player according to Wiki ;)