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With Wolford failing to improve the defense in the 4 years as head coach and with us missing the playoffs for his 4th straight season tmrw, Who do we hire as the new head coach ? Carl Pelini ? Mark Mangino ? Who ?
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Strollo, I hope you read this or it somehow gets forwarded to you. Coach Wolford is a poorly spoken, high energy/low content coach. He "barks" at his players like a bunch of dogs as motivation. Really? Is this a technique that he learned from Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, or Jim Tressel? Who does that? There is NO WAY that YSU will ever win a National Championship with Wolf as the head coach. I hope/pray that those rumors from a few weeks ago about Miami of Ohio being interested in Wolf are true (still). They would be doing us a huge favor taking this guy off of your hands. I had grown skeptical of Wolf but, gave him the benefit of the doubt until the past two weeks. I understand that NDSU is a great team but, his antics and halftime interview turned me off. Add in today's "display"... bye, bye! Please try somebody else. He is not loved by this community. If you want to increase attendance, put a winner on the field led by a man who the community embraces. My attendance at future YSU games is in question if Wolf is still at the helm.
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Somebody who will make our kids tough!! We are so soft!!!
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The lack of coaching is apparent with HESS......... He got NO better and he was a YES man for this dog and pony show.........
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If Eric Wolford gives one sh** about this program, he'll turn in resignation tomorrow at 11:31am after YSU doesn't make the playoffs.....again. Man up Coach and let us start over again. You just don't get it!!!
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Rick Shepas would be a great choice!
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Maybe NARDUZZIS son....? At least we would have a defense....... Im sure he is on to bigger things
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When I saw the title of this topic, my first reaction was: we don't have the money to pay about 200k to a guy for not coaching next season. Upon reflection, we will lose far more than 200k in ticket sales, loge rentals, and advertising if a change is not made.
As for the next coach, if we had a dynamic athletic director with expertise in personnel evaluation, my suggestion would be to find a young, aggressive head coach at the lower levels. But given Strollo's limitations with personnel evaluation, the safest and best choice is Mark Mangino, if he wants the job.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I certainly did not follow this closely. Wasn't Mangino's trouble at Kansas accusations of being "mean" to his players, rather than NCAA violations? In other words, he did some of the things that high school coaches in the Mahoning and Shenango valleys have been doing for about a century. Is this right? All I know is that Mangino took a program that was off the football map since the days of Gale Sayers and won, at least for a time. Surely, rebuilding YSU into a FCS power would be an easier task.
There is another reason why the change must be made now. Fan discontent on the gridiron also poisons any chance for rebuilding crowd support for basketball. It has been obvious for years that casual fans in the Mahoning Valley could care less about YSU basketball. The only realistic opportunity to elevate interest would come from the patronage of HAPPY football fans, who might be inclined to at least occasionally support a second sport. Well, football fans are not happy.
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In each of his four years, Wolford has improved the win-loss record. In YSU's four losses this year, one was to 10-1 Michigan State, one to the most dominant team in FCS football and two time defending champs, one to a playoff team that finishes second in the SEC of the FCS, and to a loss to perennial power UNI @the UNIdome. I do think YSU will make the playoffs as an 8-4 team that finishes third in the MVFC, especially with a 24 team field. If Wolford has a fifth year in his contract, than he is here next year, especially if YSU is a playoff team for the first time since 2006.
That being said, YSU likely will get wiped out in the second round of the playoffs. Also, although improved, YSU is a far far cry from anything resembling an FCS powerhouse. I wrote after the Dayton game that the days of dominance are gone, and aren't coming back. I still feel that way. If YSU wants to return to those days of packing the Castle, contending and winning titles, and having national positive exposure for the University, than the AD needs to be replaced. He has a record of failure and bad decisions. Also, if 2014 doesn't produce a team that reaches deep into the playoffs, than it would be worth letting Wolf's contract expire.
The UNI loss was devastating. With a win, ESPN College Game Day would've been on campus, and YSU may have received a seed and a first round bye in the post season. What a recruiting bonanza that would have been.
Hess is an above average FCS QB, and average in the MVFC. I think he was very impressive in the Penn State game, the NDSU win in the Fargodome, and the Pitt game, but those moments are outshadowed by suboptimal performances. He lacks the mobility a team needs that has a porous OL. He has broken records as he has played a long time, due more to good health than outstanding talent. I am tired of announcers praising him as one of the greatest between INTs.
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The UNI loss was devastating. With a win, ESPN College Game Day would've been on campus, and YSU may have received a seed and a first round bye in the post season.
This was demoralizing and the moment when the end of the year came to YSU.
I hope you guys get things turned around next year.
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Shepas will recruit tough kids and expect toughness!!!
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Wolford said. “We talk about preparation and handling things we control.” As quoted in the VINDY..... I wonder if he cares to elaborate on exactly how he goes about what he preaches.... What a joke.....
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The UNI loss was devastating. With a win, ESPN College Game Day would've been on campus, and YSU may have received a seed and a first round bye in the post season. What a recruiting bonanza that would have been.
There was ZERO chance that ESPN was ever going to do a game day from YSU. Be realistic.
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The UNI loss was devastating. With a win, ESPN College Game Day would've been on campus, and YSU may have received a seed and a first round bye in the post season. What a recruiting bonanza that would have been.
There was ZERO chance that ESPN was ever going to do a game day from YSU. Be realistic.
last week on Gameday from Los Angles when they did the picks they said YSU was the front runner to host game day before the loss to UNI
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The UNI loss was devastating. With a win, ESPN College Game Day would've been on campus, and YSU may have received a seed and a first round bye in the post season. What a recruiting bonanza that would have been.
There was ZERO chance that ESPN was ever going to do a game day from YSU. Be realistic.
Where do you get that info? From the Vindy:
"YSU fans had been pushing for ESPN’s College GameDay to come to Youngstown for the contest, and the city apparently was very much in the discussion, according to GameDay producer Lee Fitting, who wrote this on his Twitter account on Sunday: “Yes. #Youngstown State, hosting @NDSUathletics was in the mix for @CollegeGameDay this week, until they lost last night. Next time.”
GameDay analyst Kirk Hebrstreit went a step further, tweeting that Youngstown “was the leader in the middle of the afternoon.” "
http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/nov/15/wolford-wants-fans-to-rock-ice-castle/
In this season's post-mortum...UNI was the turning point... this was worse than the 2011 Missouri State loss...
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Its sad to say but this a behavior. There are countless games in the last 4 years that have torn the hearts out of the fans and the program as a whole. How or why should any of us think this is going to get better.....? Many of the LBs and Secondary have been with the program for 2 or more years with ZERO improvement.... THE GLARING weakness when you step back and look can be nothing other than COACHING.......
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Ok, Gameday was not coming to Youngstown. Had they been considering Youngstown they would have called the school and scheduled a site visit and that never happened. The Gameday guys just said that Youngstown was front and center to be nice, it wasn't happening. We don't deserve Gameday, whether we beat UNI or not it was still a huge game and we couldn't even sell out, it's embarrassing.
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With Wolford failing to improve the defense in the 4 years as head coach and with us missing the playoffs for his 4th straight season tmrw, Who do we hire as the new head coach ? Carl Pelini ? Mark Mangino ? Who ?
You are correct about the defense, the last couple of weeks it has been handled. Now we played some good teams, but that just goes to show how far we are from where we want to be. Why are we unable to get some stud D players?
Team did not look ready to play today, talking mental and x's and o's. SDSU was the better team, better prepared, wanted it more then we did.
Blame goes to the coaching staff and Wolf is the man.
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Stevie Wonder would do a better job.. :o
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Eric Wolford is going to be the coach. Because his contract has 1 more year and YSU is not gonna buy him out. No way. Sorry folks
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Gameday would have been here. Not 0%, but more likely than not, had we beat UNI. Chris Fowler even mentioned it on the air.
In regards to the topic at hand... Eric Wolford will be head coach.
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It would not surprise me if Wolford steps down as coach especially if we do not get a bid to the playoffs.
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Someone mentioned earlier in this thread about hiring Rick Shepas. That is an intriguing notion to me. He has had some recent success at the D3 level and is certainly a YSU guy. Also, he probably would come to Y-Town at a rather inexpensive price. He sure was one heck of a HS coach. He turned Poland and Seneca Valley around and into winners in a very short amount of time. Thoughts from others? I am not saying that he definitely should be the guy but, he is the type of guy that Strollo might want to talk to.
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No way on the Shepa hire, Mangino will be the next head coach.
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Totally agree Magino will be our next Head Coach.
Best of luck to Woffard future if its a MAC head coach or back to South Carolina as an assistant. Oh by the way you should have listened to your former boss when he told you you weren't ready to be a Head Coach.
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No way on the Shepa hire, Mangino will be the next head coach.
Why the quick dismissal of shepas. He would jump at the chance. Certainly knows what is expected around here from his playing days. Mangino? Another good choice, but will come with a much greater cost. Anyway, all this is just wishful thinking. No way is Strollo going to buy out Wolford's contract and throw more money on a new coach.
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I sure hope it isn't Mangino. This guy hasn't gotten a sniff for a HC job since 2009. Damaged goods. I'd rather take a shot with a young guy from a lower division or a coordinator from a top program.
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Does anyone know what the feelings are of the coach from the people that matter? Administration and DONORS (specifically)? In his post-game press conference seemed like a guy trying to keep his job.... ? Speaking ONLY of the highlights in the last 4 years and how his players are great stewards of the community and excelling in the classroom...
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What is the resume of Shepas as of late?
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Eric Wolford is going to be the coach. Because his contract has 1 more year and YSU is not gonna buy him out. No way. Sorry folks
Not so fast my friend. Some donors are lining up at the door.
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Shepas has done well at tiny Waynesburg University. It is not Mt. Union but, he has never had a losing season and shared the conference title the last few years. He's a good coach. This would be a huge leap up however.
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Sherpas has been a high school coach and a Division III coach. No experience at all coaching at a level where recruiting scholarship level players is involved. May be a great practice and GameDay coach, but no way qualified to be a head coach in a top level FCS league at this time. Needs DIi head coaching or FBS assistant coach experience to be considered IMO.
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Eric Wolford is going to be the coach. Because his contract has 1 more year and YSU is not gonna buy him out. No way. Sorry folks
Not so fast my friend. Some donors are lining up at the door.
IP - do the assistant coaches have buyouts as well?
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That's all we need to do is hire a coach from Waynesburg, wherever the he!! that is. As if we aren't already a laughing stock. And someone suggested Carl Pelini? Next year's ticket brochure: Everyone light up!!
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Not sure Indy--I think assistants go year to year except in certain circumstances. Montgomery may be an exception.
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Eric Wolford is going to be the coach. Because his contract has 1 more year and YSU is not gonna buy him out. No way. Sorry folks
Not so fast my friend. Some donors are lining up at the door.
Highly doubt it
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Sherpas has been a high school coach and a Division III coach. No experience at all coaching at a level where recruiting scholarship level players is involved. May be a great practice and GameDay coach, but no way qualified to be a head coach in a top level FCS league at this time. Needs DIi head coaching or FBS assistant coach experience to be considered IMO.
An FBS assistant? You see where that line of thought has got us......
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Sherpas has been a high school coach and a Division III coach. No experience at all coaching at a level where recruiting scholarship level players is involved. May be a great practice and GameDay coach, but no way qualified to be a head coach in a top level FCS league at this time. Needs DIi head coaching or FBS assistant coach experience to be considered IMO.
An FBS assistant? You see where that line of thought has got us......
It is only about finding the right guy
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Just looked it up and Wolford has the exact same record as Heacock his first 4 years (24-21)
I thought Wolford was hired to do better the Heacock, not the same ?
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he has the same record as heacock had plus he is making a lot more money than heacock and he has a bigger budget to work with than heacock did. progress?
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he has the same record as heacock had plus he is making a lot more money than heacock and he has a bigger budget to work with than heacock did. progress?
After Heacock decimated the program, yes progress.
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Same record, sure----though Heacock flubbed the golden 1st season with Jeff Ryan's senior year. Plus, whatever remained of Tressel's kids. Wolford didn't exactly walk in to the same thing.
As for Wolford, I don't need to see a single thing more. This program is middle of the pack. If the AD is happy with that, congrats---because that's what you are going to get. This guy has maxed out his potential.
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Those of you who have been around for awhile remember the large crowds and the passion in Beeghly Center for the basketball team in the mid-1980s. Had someone told you then that basketball would be irrelevant three decades later, would you have believed it? Well, this football program is dangerously close to becoming irrelevant also. Wolford is the second failed coach after Tressel. We are nearly a generation removed from good football on a consistent basis. That is why allowing Wolford to serve out a lame duck year is just stupid. Sometimes, when you are faced with financial troubles, you just have to limit your losses. One more year of this garbage will simply alienate more angry fans who are desperately trying to remain loyal.
I don't know what scares me more. One more year of Wolford or the thought of Strollo hiring yet another coach.
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Just looked it up and Wolford has the exact same record as Heacock his first 4 years (24-21)
I thought Wolford was hired to do better the Heacock, not the same ?
Bigger budget, better facilities and higher profile assistant coaches.. Heacock and the same team we be in the playoff's today.
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Just looked it up and Wolford has the exact same record as Heacock his first 4 years (24-21)
I thought Wolford was hired to do better the Heacock, not the same ?
Bigger budget, better facilities and higher profile assistant coaches.. Heacock and the same team we be in the playoff's today.
I agree. Except Heacock hated to recruit.
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Just like Heacocks demise with recruiting and not finding or surrounding himself with a staff that gets the job done... Wolford is doing the same with a higher budget and staff that cant make a difference... In the end its the same either way you look at it.... Just more expensive in 2013 then its was in 2009 with better facilities
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We are nearly a generation removed from good football on a consistent basis. That is why allowing Wolford to serve out a lame duck year is just stupid. Sometimes, when you are faced with financial troubles, you just have to limit your losses. One more year of this garbage will simply alienate more angry fans who are desperately trying to remain loyal.
Wick - I don't disagree, but the talk all year has been of lack of fan support. If the powers that be read this forum as suggested, are they really interested in losing or alienating more fans?
Good is the biggest enemy of great. If we settle for a middle of the pack good year, I fear we will never return to greatness.
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Lakesbison? He seems to know everything.
/sarcasm
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Just looked it up and Wolford has the exact same record as Heacock his first 4 years (24-21)
I thought Wolford was hired to do better the Heacock, not the same ?
Bigger budget, better facilities and higher profile assistant coaches.. Heacock and the same team we be in the playoff's today.
The difference between the Heacock record and the Wolford record is that Heacock's record was progressively worse each of the first four years as he was running out of Tressels's recruits. His fourth year we were 4-7. By every measure, he was destroying an FCS legend, when all he had to do was maintain what he was given.
Wolford did not inherit a playoff team, he inherited the remains of the Heacock era. Wolford improved the record each of the four years he was here. In Wolford's fourth year, YSU went 8-4.
Heacock's first 4 years: program in rapid decline
Wolf's first four years: painfully slow improvement
What if next year Wolf continues this trend and we go 9-3? Do we fire him then? IMO, anything short of 9-3 means adios....for both Wolf and the AD. When does the AD become accountable?
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I think we are all beating a dead horse. The bottom line is that we need the athletes on the LOS required to get better and take another step. We don't have them. I don't like our offense. We should rarely ever need to run the QB, maybe in big games. I am for having a prostyle eye formation type of offense. If the the coaches don't want to do that, fine, but we still need a power run offense when it counts even if they want to run this misdirection spread/ read option thing all of the time.
If we have the athletes, then we don't need to get fancy. The pressure is then taken off the coaches because they need only to worry about technique, player development, and in game decision making. When you don't have the athletes I think it puts more pressure on the staff to game plan against our weaknesses. When you have the athletes you can do what the last two teams did to us. Nothing fancy, just kick your a$$ and telegraph every play.
If we had those players, then we wouldn't be discussing the strenght of the conference, and we wouldn't care where everyone else places, and the coaches, fans, and players would have the confidence that they could compete with anyone.
Wolford is supposed to be an "Alpha recruiter". We need him to recruit the players on the LOS that gives us this ability. Is he too late? Can he infuse a bunch of JUCO's this off season? What do we do about QB? Next year looks like a rough one. Wolford says he is building a program with depth.
On another note, why would we sign a new coach to a 5 year contract? I don't understand that. Why not a 3 year with options? Maybe even a 4 year with options and incentives? A 5 year does nothing but put YSU in a bad position. A good coach will demostrate change in a few short years, sometimes immediatley. With a 5 year deal you are stuck in two ways, long term and short term. If the coach is not getting it done after 4 years then you are stuck in a lame duck year but if the coach is good then he can leverage you with his senior laden team that performs well. I don't get that. Looks like we lack people with real world businees experience to me.
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No coach worth a damn is going to take any job for anything less than a five year contract.
It takes five years for a coach to have a roster full of players he recruited. It also puts him at an immediate disadvantage in recruiting - other coaches will jump all over it.
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Just looked it up and Wolford has the exact same record as Heacock his first 4 years (24-21)
I thought Wolford was hired to do better the Heacock, not the same ?
Bigger budget, better facilities and higher profile assistant coaches.. Heacock and the same team we be in the playoff's today.
The difference between the Heacock record and the Wolford record is that Heacock's record was progressively worse each of the first four years as he was running out of Tressels's recruits. His fourth year we were 4-7. By every measure, he was destroying an FCS legend, when all he had to do was maintain what he was given.
Wolford did not inherit a playoff team, he inherited the remains of the Heacock era. Wolford improved the record each of the four years he was here. In Wolford's fourth year, YSU went 8-4.
Heacock's first 4 years: program in rapid decline
Wolf's first four years: painfully slow improvement
What if next year Wolf continues this trend and we go 9-3? Do we fire him then? IMO, anything short of 9-3 means adios....for both Wolf and the AD. When does the AD become accountable?
If I'm not mistaken Heacock and Wolford has the same record at the 4 year mark. Also I believe when Tressel left there was a empty cupboard as well between players leaving and graduating. Another point Wolfords team's schedules are weaker than Heacocks.. just sayin..
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the AD will be held accountable when someone actually gives a damn!
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The only was Wolf isnt your coach is if Spurrier takes him back. Don't count that out.
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Just looked it up and Wolford has the exact same record as Heacock his first 4 years (24-21)
I thought Wolford was hired to do better the Heacock, not the same ?
Bigger budget, better facilities and higher profile assistant coaches.. Heacock and the same team we be in the playoff's today.
The difference between the Heacock record and the Wolford record is that Heacock's record was progressively worse each of the first four years as he was running out of Tressels's recruits. His fourth year we were 4-7. By every measure, he was destroying an FCS legend, when all he had to do was maintain what he was given.
Wolford did not inherit a playoff team, he inherited the remains of the Heacock era. Wolford improved the record each of the four years he was here. In Wolford's fourth year, YSU went 8-4.
Heacock's first 4 years: program in rapid decline
Wolf's first four years: painfully slow improvement
What if next year Wolf continues this trend and we go 9-3? Do we fire him then? IMO, anything short of 9-3 means adios....for both Wolf and the AD. When does the AD become accountable?
If I'm not mistaken Heacock and Wolford has the same record at the 4 year mark. Also I believe when Tressel left there was a empty cupboard as well between players leaving and graduating. Another point Wolfords team's schedules are weaker than Heacocks.. just sayin..
Red - you are delusional with your hatred for Wolford and your love for Heacock.
The cupboard was far from bare when Heacock took over. YSU was ranked 8th in the pre-season poll in 2001.
http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/article_c0c97cff-7027-5b0b-8543-63965a83ba6d.html?mode=jqm (http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/article_c0c97cff-7027-5b0b-8543-63965a83ba6d.html?mode=jqm)
Jeff Ryan and PJ Mays were back on offense. Hightower and Green were 3 year starters in the secondary. Stuvaints and Tekac were back. They had a veteran offensive line. The 2001 team was loaded.
The playoffs in 2000 were a bit of a surprise, the thought was 2001 would be the year for another deep run.
As for the schedule, the 2001 non-conference schedule had Lock Haven, Clarion, 2-9 Elon and Marshall. You're telling me that this year's schedule was weaker than that?
Heacock was handed a top 10 program with facilities and a budget that were very competitive in I-AA at the time. Yes the budget was not at the top by the end of the decade, but it was very competitive at the start. And he didn't get the job done, just like Wolford isn't getting the job done.
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Just looked it up and Wolford has the exact same record as Heacock his first 4 years (24-21)
I thought Wolford was hired to do better the Heacock, not the same ?
Bigger budget, better facilities and higher profile assistant coaches.. Heacock and the same team we be in the playoff's today.
The difference between the Heacock record and the Wolford record is that Heacock's record was progressively worse each of the first four years as he was running out of Tressels's recruits. His fourth year we were 4-7. By every measure, he was destroying an FCS legend, when all he had to do was maintain what he was given.
Wolford did not inherit a playoff team, he inherited the remains of the Heacock era. Wolford improved the record each of the four years he was here. In Wolford's fourth year, YSU went 8-4.
Heacock's first 4 years: program in rapid decline
Wolf's first four years: painfully slow improvement
What if next year Wolf continues this trend and we go 9-3? Do we fire him then? IMO, anything short of 9-3 means adios....for both Wolf and the AD. When does the AD become accountable?
If I'm not mistaken Heacock and Wolford has the same record at the 4 year mark. Also I believe when Tressel left there was a empty cupboard as well between players leaving and graduating. Another point Wolfords team's schedules are weaker than Heacocks.. just sayin..
Red - you are delusional with your hatred for Wolford and your love for Heacock.
The cupboard was far from bare when Heacock took over. YSU was ranked 8th in the pre-season poll in 2001.
http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/article_c0c97cff-7027-5b0b-8543-63965a83ba6d.html?mode=jqm (http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/article_c0c97cff-7027-5b0b-8543-63965a83ba6d.html?mode=jqm)
Jeff Ryan and PJ Mays were back on offense. Hightower and Green were 3 year starters in the secondary. Stuvaints and Tekac were back. They had a veteran offensive line. The 2001 team was loaded.
The playoffs in 2000 were a bit of a surprise, the thought was 2001 would be the year for another deep run.
As for the schedule, the 2001 non-conference schedule had Lock Haven, Clarion, 2-9 Elon and Marshall. You're telling me that this year's schedule was weaker than that?
Heacock was handed a top 10 program with facilities and a budget that were very competitive in I-AA at the time. Yes the budget was not at the top by the end of the decade, but it was very competitive at the start. And he didn't get the job done, just like Wolford isn't getting the job done.
Well I guess we can agree that both are not the savior here.
Yes, This years schedule is weaker.. Sparty is above and beyond. other than that :o
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Very good point on players Indy, but in my mind, coach H's issue was the staff (more the potential staff) that left with coach T.
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If YSU called Jim Tressel and asked him to be the coach again and simultaneously "train" his successor for the job... what would Tressel say? (I know that this will never happen) Having a coach come back to a team a second time in hopes of re-kindling the good old days is not unheard of. Bill Snyder did it (is doing it) at Kansas State and Johnny Majors tried to do it at Pitt. Is there any chance that someone from YSU has (or will) put out a feeler to Tressel? (and NO I haven't been drinking)
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Robmat,
Tressel can not coach at any NCAA school for several more years as part of the sanctions at Ohio State. Otherwise, your suggestion should have been implemented yesterday.
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IAA Fan - would agree with you on the coaches. How much of that was lack of funds to get top coaches and how much of it was Heacock filling the staff on the Good Ole Boy network is that is up for debate.
Red - I would disagree on the schedule. I think the current MVFC with the DSUs to go with UNI is much stronger than the 2001 Gateway. There are no teams in the current MVFC that are as bad as SIU (10th straight losing season) and Indiana State were then.
Wick - Tressel's show cause sanction goes for two more seasons. I presume the "five year" penalty would go through the end of the 2015-16 school year.
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I'm afraid everyone is in panic mode. I'm not ready to fire Wolf just yet. Reasons ? --
1. Record has improved every year he has been here. Moving forward.
2. Despite the criticism, recruiting HAS improved over Heacock ( you got a I-A win over Pitt with the best Juco class YSU ever recruited) and players often come with star ratings and lots of scholly offers rather than NO other offers. That alone is a huge improvement.
3.Tressel had a problem winning in this league. Its very competitive. We finished tied for 2nd. An improvement. And YSU finishes a Top 20 program that reached near Top 10. Hardly chopped liver.
4. When you average 36 pts a game, you got an Offense. Don't be stupid as no one pounds it out anymore. Its a wide-open game now.
5.Lets be truthful -- the playoff committee tries hard to keep YSU out because the stain of Tressel and cheating has carried over to now. First at YSU then at Ohio St. Criteria isn't followed. Not Wolf's fault.
6. Lets be critical -- Wolf isn't a Tressel. He is rough on the edges where Tressel was smooth. Uses profanity ( I'm shocked , a coach cursing?) . Has a problem on D that is yet to be addressed, yet wins most games in spite of it.
7. NDS and SDS had the best players in the league, bar none. Yet we tied for 2nd. The rest of the league has some nice teams but success was limited with injuries and tough schedules. No Houston Baptist or Incarnate Word here. The league has I-A wins. Level of competition is high.
8. I'll be blunt -- Firing a coach who wins and improves the record every year looks BAD ( 4 years). If I'm a coach and I'm good, I'm not taking a job for less than 5 years ( have a chance to build it my way, get retirement qualified and put some stability in my family's lives in an otherwise gypsy profession). No way I look at YSU. The smart guys look for a down program who has lost, a lot, and tries to build with improved winning. This program improved every year. Missing ? The playoffs. I won't be com ing up. Too easy to lose again before winning and no playoffs. I'll look for a job with better long term outlooks.
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4. Don't be stupid as no one pounds it out anymore. Its a wide-open game now.
Alabama seems to do well.
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I'm afraid everyone is in panic mode. I'm not ready to fire Wolf just yet. Reasons ? --
1. Record has improved every year he has been here. Moving forward.
Do we excuse the meltdowns each and every year?? Or the lack of game managment?? Or the being outcoached multiple times during the year??
2. Despite the criticism, recruiting HAS improved over Heacock ( you got a I-A win over Pitt with the best Juco class YSU ever recruited) and players often come with star ratings and lots of scholly offers rather than NO other offers. That alone is a huge improvement.
Has it really?? We're small, slow and not aggressive.
3.Tressel had a problem winning in this league. Its very competitive. We finished tied for 2nd. An improvement. And YSU finishes a Top 20 program that reached near Top 10. Hardly chopped liver.
I'll give you this one, but Wolford doesn't win the games he NEEDS to.
4. When you average 36 pts a game, you got an Offense. Don't be stupid as no one pounds it out anymore. Its a wide-open game now.
But in the games THAT REALLY COUNT, what is the average...how about 17pts this year.
5.Lets be truthful -- the playoff committee tries hard to keep YSU out because the stain of Tressel and cheating has carried over to now. First at YSU then at Ohio St. Criteria isn't followed. Not Wolf's fault.
Yet he leaves the decision in the committee's hands for a 3rd straight year.
6. Lets be critical -- Wolf isn't a Tressel. He is rough on the edges where Tressel was smooth. Uses profanity ( I'm shocked , a coach cursing?) . Has a problem on D that is yet to be addressed, yet wins most games in spite of it.
I believe we all understand this statement. No one on this board or any other really believes there will be a second coming of Jim Tressel to YSU. What we gripe about is gameday preparation, gameday management, gameday adjustsments. Having a bit of humility and understanding as the HC you take ALL the blame and deflect all the kudos to his staff and players. Totally loses focus during multiple game stretches throughout the season.
7. NDS and SDS had the best players in the league, bar none. Yet we tied for 2nd. The rest of the league has some nice teams but success was limited with injuries and tough schedules. No Houston Baptist or Incarnate Word here. The league has I-A wins. Level of competition is high.
Those games weren't even close, period. No one questions how good either of those teams are, yet all they do is ABSOLUTELY own us for 4 quarters.
8. I'll be blunt -- Firing a coach who wins and improves the record every year looks BAD ( 4 years). If I'm a coach and I'm good, I'm not taking a job for less than 5 years ( have a chance to build it my way, get retirement qualified and put some stability in my family's lives in an otherwise gypsy profession). No way I look at YSU. The smart guys look for a down program who has lost, a lot, and tries to build with improved winning. This program improved every year. Missing ? The playoffs. I won't be com ing up. Too easy to lose again before winning and no playoffs. I'll look for a job with better long term outlooks.
Coaching is a dog eat dog world. They all know that. They know that you're only as good as your last playoff run or competitive year, comes with the turf. And contrary to what anyone says, this team has not been competitive for 3 or 4 game stretches each year he's been the HC. I don't have an issue with a 5yr contract, but I certainly don't feel as though he's earned an extension either. If that affects recruiting, he only has himself to blame.
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I don't disagree. All I'm saying with one of my points is no coach who is good will come here if it looks like he won't get time to build his program, qualify for retirement benefits and have some security for his family. But you will find a flunky to take the $$$$$$$$$$$$ and run as soon as you fire him. Whats left of the program is another matter.
While I'm not here to sing Wolf's praises, I remind you -- it started at the top with an absolute terrible AD -- Strollo.
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We definitely agree on that one!!!! :)
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I'm afraid everyone is in panic mode. I'm not ready to fire Wolf just yet. Reasons ? --
1. Record has improved every year he has been here. Moving forward.
2. Despite the criticism, recruiting HAS improved over Heacock ( you got a I-A win over Pitt with the best Juco class YSU ever recruited) and players often come with star ratings and lots of scholly offers rather than NO other offers. That alone is a huge improvement.
3.Tressel had a problem winning in this league. Its very competitive. We finished tied for 2nd. An improvement. And YSU finishes a Top 20 program that reached near Top 10. Hardly chopped liver.
4. When you average 36 pts a game, you got an Offense. Don't be stupid as no one pounds it out anymore. Its a wide-open game now.
5.Lets be truthful -- the playoff committee tries hard to keep YSU out because the stain of Tressel and cheating has carried over to now. First at YSU then at Ohio St. Criteria isn't followed. Not Wolf's fault.
6. Lets be critical -- Wolf isn't a Tressel. He is rough on the edges where Tressel was smooth. Uses profanity ( I'm shocked , a coach cursing?) . Has a problem on D that is yet to be addressed, yet wins most games in spite of it.
7. NDS and SDS had the best players in the league, bar none. Yet we tied for 2nd. The rest of the league has some nice teams but success was limited with injuries and tough schedules. No Houston Baptist or Incarnate Word here. The league has I-A wins. Level of competition is high.
8. I'll be blunt -- Firing a coach who wins and improves the record every year looks BAD ( 4 years). If I'm a coach and I'm good, I'm not taking a job for less than 5 years ( have a chance to build it my way, get retirement qualified and put some stability in my family's lives in an otherwise gypsy profession). No way I look at YSU. The smart guys look for a down program who has lost, a lot, and tries to build with improved winning. This program improved every year. Missing ? The playoffs. I won't be com ing up. Too easy to lose again before winning and no playoffs. I'll look for a job with better long term outlooks.
Agree with everything you said.
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I'm afraid everyone is in panic mode. I'm not ready to fire Wolf just yet. Reasons ? --
1. Record has improved every year he has been here. Moving forward.
2. Despite the criticism, recruiting HAS improved over Heacock ( you got a I-A win over Pitt with the best Juco class YSU ever recruited) and players often come with star ratings and lots of scholly offers rather than NO other offers. That alone is a huge improvement.
3.Tressel had a problem winning in this league. Its very competitive. We finished tied for 2nd. An improvement. And YSU finishes a Top 20 program that reached near Top 10. Hardly chopped liver.
4. When you average 36 pts a game, you got an Offense. Don't be stupid as no one pounds it out anymore. Its a wide-open game now.
5.Lets be truthful -- the playoff committee tries hard to keep YSU out because the stain of Tressel and cheating has carried over to now. First at YSU then at Ohio St. Criteria isn't followed. Not Wolf's fault.
6. Lets be critical -- Wolf isn't a Tressel. He is rough on the edges where Tressel was smooth. Uses profanity ( I'm shocked , a coach cursing?) . Has a problem on D that is yet to be addressed, yet wins most games in spite of it.
7. NDS and SDS had the best players in the league, bar none. Yet we tied for 2nd. The rest of the league has some nice teams but success was limited with injuries and tough schedules. No Houston Baptist or Incarnate Word here. The league has I-A wins. Level of competition is high.
8. I'll be blunt -- Firing a coach who wins and improves the record every year looks BAD ( 4 years). If I'm a coach and I'm good, I'm not taking a job for less than 5 years ( have a chance to build it my way, get retirement qualified and put some stability in my family's lives in an otherwise gypsy profession). No way I look at YSU. The smart guys look for a down program who has lost, a lot, and tries to build with improved winning. This program improved every year. Missing ? The playoffs. I won't be com ing up. Too easy to lose again before winning and no playoffs. I'll look for a job with better long term outlooks.
With all due respect, When do you suggest PANIC MODE should set in? Our prospects next year look worse than this.
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I remind you that I warned early this year that next year would bring a "different" team. They can't run the O they ran this year with the current personnel. The D needs players. But there is a recruiting season coming up and the OC can change to take advantage of the players here. With what is coming back they need --
a QB........... preferably two with similar styles or abilities
several DL with pass rushing abilities and run stopping skills.
several CB and a S
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I'm afraid everyone is in panic mode. I'm not ready to fire Wolf just yet. Reasons ? --
1. Record has improved every year he has been here. Moving forward.
2. Despite the criticism, recruiting HAS improved over Heacock ( you got a I-A win over Pitt with the best Juco class YSU ever recruited) and players often come with star ratings and lots of scholly offers rather than NO other offers. That alone is a huge improvement.
3.Tressel had a problem winning in this league. Its very competitive. We finished tied for 2nd. An improvement. And YSU finishes a Top 20 program that reached near Top 10. Hardly chopped liver.
4. When you average 36 pts a game, you got an Offense. Don't be stupid as no one pounds it out anymore. Its a wide-open game now.
5.Lets be truthful -- the playoff committee tries hard to keep YSU out because the stain of Tressel and cheating has carried over to now. First at YSU then at Ohio St. Criteria isn't followed. Not Wolf's fault.
6. Lets be critical -- Wolf isn't a Tressel. He is rough on the edges where Tressel was smooth. Uses profanity ( I'm shocked , a coach cursing?) . Has a problem on D that is yet to be addressed, yet wins most games in spite of it.
7. NDS and SDS had the best players in the league, bar none. Yet we tied for 2nd. The rest of the league has some nice teams but success was limited with injuries and tough schedules. No Houston Baptist or Incarnate Word here. The league has I-A wins. Level of competition is high.
8. I'll be blunt -- Firing a coach who wins and improves the record every year looks BAD ( 4 years). If I'm a coach and I'm good, I'm not taking a job for less than 5 years ( have a chance to build it my way, get retirement qualified and put some stability in my family's lives in an otherwise gypsy profession). No way I look at YSU. The smart guys look for a down program who has lost, a lot, and tries to build with improved winning. This program improved every year. Missing ? The playoffs. I won't be com ing up. Too easy to lose again before winning and no playoffs. I'll look for a job with better long term outlooks.
I like these points, IF yo assume he is staying ...because they can sound like excuses.
1. Record has show little improvement & none over his predecessor.
2. I am tired of hearing how recruiting has improved ...it is has not. In 4 years I have seen only a couple of players that were better than what was already there. He refuses to play certain individuals for reasons that I can only see as a bias ...(isn't that right Carson Sharbaugh?). I will give Wolf credit for recruiting better athletes ...but he is far below his predecessor in terms of recruiting football players. I will further add that (on defense at least) coach H was the best molder of raw talent.
3. Agree 100%. Allow me to point out that had we faced this gauntlet (our last three losses) early in the conference schedule ...YSU never sees the top-25; we lose those narrow games to USD and SIU because our team is demoralized over the three losses. We finish with a 6-6 record.
4. I agree it is wide opened, but how can you not have a complete ball-control offense? If you are thinking we do not have the scholarships available ...I agree. So if forced to choose ...I choose a power game like SDSU and NDSU.
5. Do not believe in any way. I could be wrong ...just do not believe they ignore their success stories.
6. true, but again, excuses if you are going to keep him. Certainly not a reason to hire him, and THAT is how you grade a coach.
7. Agreed on level of competition, but not that the best players are on the xDSU's.
8. Again an excuse. How long was coach H here & you yourself talked about his inadequacies. If we extend Wolf ...he will be here no less than 9-years. Sound familiar? Justified or not; at least coach H gave us a semi-final appearance for his extension.
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always like to hear from the Heacock apologists.
Heacock's record declined each year he was here the first 4 years. Wolf has increased his record every year. Heacock was handed a Champion program. Wolf got what the disaster left. No excuse, just the facts.
Seems we have a recruit of Wolf's playing for the Raiders this year. My opinion he wasd part of the best Juco class ever recruited here. Funny, but the rating systems show "stars" on many of our recruits now and most have more than one offer ( YSU). That is a BIG change over before. Fact.
I talked for years about how poor Heacock was and he bore me out as correct. In fact, most finally agreed with me he had to go . Long over due as most now claim. Trouble is, the AD is still here and he is a stinker.
Feel free to fire Wolf. See what you get under the circumstances. BTW, I don't and never have bought into your evaluation of this program. But its entertaining. Keep it up.
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The 24 hour rule has lapsed into the 24 year rule.
Nothing will change arguing about coach Heacock as he is gone so why beat a dead horse?
The problem is NOW. The AD and all the assistants aren't doing their job.
Tresey and Montgomery seemed to lose control or interest as the season wore on.
Did Coach W also? I don't know and will let those of you closer to the team argue it out.
The 2014 season started last Monday for coaches,players and the AD and assistants.
Either get things in gear or turn Stambaugh Stadium into a leper colony.
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I hate to be on Paladin's "team" but when statements are made like Heacock was one of the best molders of raw talent, it's time for the rubber room. It should be PAINFULLY obvious to all on this site that 1-AA's daily genuflecting at the framed photo he has above his fireplace of Heacock (with the gold-plated inscription "To 1-AA--thanks for sticking with me, after all I did make the playoffs once in NINE years, Love, Jon) isn't going to change. Now I'm not going to defend Wolford's late-season failures at all, but Paladin's statement that Heacock was handed a championship program and Wolford wasn't, rings true. Wolford felt he needed to basically purge the roster and so he did. And his wins have increased over the 4 year span. Just looks bad that there has been faltering at the end of the year. But, again, whether Wolford is the answer or not, Heacock needed to go--and before he actually did.
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I have been pondering robmat's tongue-in-cheek suggestion about Tressel, IP's assessment of the dilemma that Strollo faces about extending Wolford's contract, and Paladin's argument that it would be damaging to fire a coach that has increased his win total each year. How about this. Extend Wolford's contract by a year so that it expires precisely at the time that Jim Tressel's suspension ends. That gives Wolford six years, plenty of time to make it happen if it ever will. If he continues to fail, turn to Tressel who would be in his early sixties. A lawyer told me that Tressel was approached about his interest in the presidency, but he responded that he wanted to coach again at some level. So this is not totally unrealistic. Tressel could name the length of his term, say 4 or 5 years before retirement. In that interval, as robmat suggested, Tressel would find and add his eventual replacement to the staff. Tressel could then save the program that he created in the short term and secure its prosperity in the long term. And most importantly, it takes Ron Strollo out of the equation of finding the proper coach.
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Wick--I've never thought it was far-fetched that Tressel would coach again, and that it could very well be here. This is one place that would welcome him (for the most part) and I believe he would be successful again here.
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I don't have any problem with Wick's outline. But keep in mind negotiations is a two way street. If I'm Wolf and they make an offer of one year extension & it pizzes me off, I might say let me think about it and call Spurrier or any other coach he worked for and say he was looking to recruit & coach OL linemen again as a major college assist. I don't think he has any problem getting a job, especially with increased winning every year and then leaves YSU in a serious pinch. Now who do you hire ? The NCAA has no love affair with Tressel and not sure what they would do here. Want some one to take the reins for a year ? Who is stupid enough to do that ? I can tell you it won't do wonders for shopping for a future coach as stories like that make YSU toxic and people avoid getting into toxic situations. Grooming Tressel's successor means someone gets to follow a legend again. How did that work out the last time. Any coach dumb enough to do that again ?
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But, again, whether Wolford is the answer or not, Heacock needed to go--and before he actually did.
I stopped using my hands to bless myself momentarily and respond that I could not agree more. IP, you were the leader of the pack, against me, when I said that back then. So instead of saying that the I have an unjustified allegiance to coach H. Why not just admit you have a bias against me and be done with it? It is kind of like the man that tells is wife of 20+ years that he never loved any of the women he fooled around with.
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always like to hear from the Heacock apologists.
Heacock's record declined each year he was here the first 4 years. Wolf has increased his record every year. Heacock was handed a Champion program. Wolf got what the disaster left. No excuse, just the facts.
Seems we have a recruit of Wolf's playing for the Raiders this year. My opinion he wasd part of the best Juco class ever recruited here. Funny, but the rating systems show "stars" on many of our recruits now and most have more than one offer ( YSU). That is a BIG change over before. Fact.
I talked for years about how poor Heacock was and he bore me out as correct. In fact, most finally agreed with me he had to go . Long over due as most now claim. Trouble is, the AD is still here and he is a stinker.
Feel free to fire Wolf. See what you get under the circumstances. BTW, I don't and never have bought into your evaluation of this program. But its entertaining. Keep it up.
You are funny. Answer a few responses:
always like to hear from the Heacock apologists.
So just what is a "Heacock apologist" and how am I one? It would seem to me that a Heacock apologist would be making excuses. I am not asking for any apology. Nor offering.
Heacock's record declined each year he was here the first 4 years. Wolf has increased his record every year. Heacock was handed a Champion program. Wolf got what the disaster left. No excuse, just the facts.
Did I not call for his head back then? You were here defending him & telling me it was too soon. Also, so tell me how a team that just lost all of it coaches can be classified as "a championship program". How many players left Wolf's first year? So who caused the disaster again?
Seems we have a recruit of Wolf's playing for the Raiders this year. My opinion he wasd part of the best Juco class ever recruited here. Funny, but the rating systems show "stars" on many of our recruits now and most have more than one offer ( YSU). That is a BIG change over before. Fact.
Say ...show me all of those starred players. There has only been 2 players with more than 2 stars. Seems to me that if you were truly a raider fans you would notice that Wolf's predecessor put a player on the other side of the ball in Oakland. Fact ...mmm Your point again was?
I talked for years about how poor Heacock was and he bore me out as correct. In fact, most finally agreed with me he had to go . Long over due as most now claim. Trouble is, the AD is still here and he is a stinker.
Any time you want to start going back through AD's ...feel free. I would love the opportunity to discuss just how much the current AD has done for this school. Again, why did you not agree with me that coach H needed to go back after the 2004 season? Feel free to search I imported all of the data from the old board on to this one. The difference is that I did not think he should have gone when he did. He was in only the second year of a staff and offense change. I am fairly confident that coach H would have put the spread O in here without blowing up our defense in the process.
Feel free to fire Wolf. See what you get under the circumstances. BTW, I don't and never have bought into your evaluation of this program. But its entertaining. Keep it up.
I shall do so thanks ...you are welcome to do the same without my permission. The difference between you and I is that I give my opinion and tell you it is my opinion. You just type "fact" after it ..and think everyone will believe and agree with you. You just need to stop becoming upset at people that do not agree with you. That is what a forum is all about. Oh and any time you are tired a YSU (of old) clone "whipping up" on our backsides ...just let me know.
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Just want to remind those who have forgotten, for what it is worth...Coach Heacock did win our conference.
Did coach Tressel....NO! Did Wolford...NO!
Hate to jab those who so wanted him out of here, just trying to fairly judge the Coaches. I am certain some of
Coach Heacocks player picks also attributed to Wolfords few wins.
GO penguins....2014 will be here before you know it!
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Pita--you know I love ya' but yes Heacock won the conference and Tressel didn't. Tressel also won 4 National Championships. Heacock won 2 playoff games in 9 years, both in the same year. I know which I'd rather have on my resume. Jon was (and is) one of the greatest PEOPLE you'll ever meet. But we can't confuse that with what happened on the football field.
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But, again, whether Wolford is the answer or not, Heacock needed to go--and before he actually did.
I stopped using my hands to bless myself momentarily and respond that I could not agree more. IP, you were the leader of the pack, against me, when I said that back then. So instead of saying that the I have an unjustified allegiance to coach H. Why not just admit you have a bias against me and be done with it? It is kind of like the man that tells is wife of 20+ years that he never loved any of the women he fooled around with.
I have no bias against you, I don't even know you. I just don't get your diehard allegiance to someone who had that poor of a record. But to each his own.
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But, again, whether Wolford is the answer or not, Heacock needed to go--and before he actually did.
I stopped using my hands to bless myself momentarily and respond that I could not agree more. IP, you were the leader of the pack, against me, when I said that back then. So instead of saying that the I have an unjustified allegiance to coach H. Why not just admit you have a bias against me and be done with it? It is kind of like the man that tells is wife of 20+ years that he never loved any of the women he fooled around with.
I have no bias against you, I don't even know you. I just don't get your diehard allegiance to someone who had that poor of a record. But to each his own.
Amen. Everyone I know that knew Jon Heacock as a person and as a coach said nothing but great things about the guy. However, as a coach, his resume speaks for itself.
Regarding next year, I'd imagine a 1 year extension would be in order, perhaps with an additional option if they make the playoffs next season.... not sure if they work out deals like that at this level.
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Just for s***s and giggles, why don't we take a poll and see where we stand on the future of Coach Wolford? It could be multiple choice. Can him. keep him around for the rest of his contract, or give him an extension. It won't make any difference' just like this topic, 'cause Coach aint goin' nowhere. But at least the powers to be would realize where the best and most loyal fans of the 'guins stand. ;D
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I still believe in Wolford as a head coach. Love the way he recruits, but he DOES need to get some better assistants around him (Montgomery, Tresey). Unfortunately, if he doesn't get an extension, I doubt he makes any major changes on the staff to jepordize him and the team. I still support him fully
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several DL with pass rushing abilities and run stopping skills.
No doubt about it.
That would improve every level of the defense in and of itself.
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I seem to recall, for the old timers on this board, that I came on after reading this board for awhile to warn of impending LOSING that was about to begin under Heacock. I even told you why it was going to happen. Boy did I get attacked, lol. But true to my word, in watching the poor early recruiting by Heacock it wasn't hard to predict. Yet the faithful, watching the Tressel successor, were horrified that my prediction came true. And out came the pitchforks when I predicted it for a consecutive season. I didn't know what I was talking about, things were fine, blah, blah, blah. And presto -- Paladin was correct again and lost even more games. One I-AA Fan was a Heacock supporter. However, the dam burst when I started to identify substandard players. And then it started to become obvious to even those without a clue what football was all about -- Heacock was killing a National Championship program. I urged his firing. Strollo gave him an extension and I might add, many here supported that. Then luck struck -- several players got hurt pre-season and early in the season and got medical and normal red-shirts. The Gateway had an off year and PUFF, presto a Tri-Champ for YSU. Nirvana !! The following year, loaded with lots of 5 year players and a RB from Canton McKinley who ran "Dave" all season long , YSU won an outright title and a trip to the playoffs where "Dave" was shut down by Appy St. and you got your look at the new wave of FB -- the Spread O . Off tackle was a Neanderthal play easily defended by loading the box. But the exodus of the 5th year players created yet another "HOLE" in the program and it was time to lose again. The cupboard hadn't been stocked and then Guins weren't competitive. The program was a bust. YSU had to buy out its coach who collected a paycheck while taking a year off. Think of the money YSU could have saved if only they listened to Paladin earlier , lol
Do your own homework, Fan, and search till your hearts content. I stand by my opinions. If that last second FG at UNI had hit the crossbar and bounced back, I don't think the "committee" could have kept out clearly SECOND place YSU, unless the toughest league was to be a one team playoff
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and given the lack of integrity on the committee YSU probably wouldn't have gone this year as 2nd place and 9-3. Reason -- lost the last two. MVFC wasn't good enough for two playoff teams.
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Do your own homework, Fan, and search till your hearts content. I stand by my opinions. If that last second FG at UNI had hit the crossbar and bounced back, I don't think the "committee" could have kept out clearly SECOND place YSU, unless the toughest league was to be a one team playoff
Agreed so what does this have to do with your 3 paragraphs before this one?. We could have won one more game ...we would be in. Makes no difference which. had we beat only UNI or SDSU, we were in. Had we beat only NDSU ...NDSU, SDSU and YSU would all be in. Now again please explain what any of this has to do with coach H. We heard you the first time. Who are you trying to convince ...me or yourself? If his incompetence was that obvious ...then everyone saw it. Move on. Everyone else (including myself) did 4 years ago. I stand behind my opinions ...as you do to your gospel.
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Just want to remind those who have forgotten, for what it is worth...Coach Heacock did win our conference.
Did coach Tressel....NO! Did Wolford...NO!
Hate to jab those who so wanted him out of here, just trying to fairly judge the Coaches. I am certain some of
Coach Heacocks player picks also attributed to Wolfords few wins.
GO penguins....2014 will be here before you know it!
Spot on Pita you cutie ;) Wolford couldn't wear Jon's jock LOL!!