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Title: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: coyotefan on September 18, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
Hey guys, USD guy here, just got done watching the replay of some of your game last night. I know Robert Morris isn't very good, so hard to gauge just how you will match-up with us, but considering you held on with WVU, it looks like we will have our hands full.

Things I noticed from small amount of game I watched:

Trent Hosick is an athletic QB who can evade a solid rush and make defenses pay for it. Again, my sample size is small in what I saw, but his accuracy in throwing looked just OK, but he seems to be more of a running QB which would be the reason.

Martin Ruiz is fast, and can quickly make it past that first level for a solid gain. USD's D-line is somewhat inconsistent, so that worries me most about Ruiz.

Defensive rush is solid. Put a lot of pressure on Bobby Morris's QB.

Whenever you guys start a YSU/USD thread, I'll add more, but looking forward to starting conference play in two weeks. Good luck, guys!

*EDIT* I noticed some talk of you guys wanting to leave the MVFC. As an MVFC fan, I believe you guys are integral to the difficulty of the MVFC. I would be disappointed if you guys left the conference for the much inferior NEC.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Wick250 on September 18, 2016, 11:31:36 PM
Coyotefan.  Welcome.  Looking forward to some intelligent conversation next week.  For now you should know that we played the Robert Morris game without our starting quarterback who was out with a concussion.  He will return for South Dakota.  Also, we rotate two running backs, one of whom....the really fast one....was also on the shelf but will return for the contest with your team.  The offense that you will face will be substantially different from what you watched against Robert Morris.  We also are aware of the amount of points that you are scoring.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 23, 2016, 12:56:53 PM
Fellas are healing up nicely, ready to go for next week!
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: HappyPenguin on September 23, 2016, 01:39:29 PM
Hey guys, USD guy here, just got done watching the replay of some of your game last night. I know Robert Morris isn't very good, so hard to gauge just how you will match-up with us, but considering you held on with WVU, it looks like we will have our hands full.

Things I noticed from small amount of game I watched:

Trent Hosick is an athletic QB who can evade a solid rush and make defenses pay for it. Again, my sample size is small in what I saw, but his accuracy in throwing looked just OK, but he seems to be more of a running QB which would be the reason.

Martin Ruiz is fast, and can quickly make it past that first level for a solid gain. USD's D-line is somewhat inconsistent, so that worries me most about Ruiz.

Defensive rush is solid. Put a lot of pressure on Bobby Morris's QB.

Whenever you guys start a YSU/USD thread, I'll add more, but looking forward to starting conference play in two weeks. Good luck, guys!

*EDIT* I noticed some talk of you guys wanting to leave the MVFC. As an MVFC fan, I believe you guys are integral to the difficulty of the MVFC. I would be disappointed if you guys left the conference for the much inferior NEC.

What should we watch for from your guys?
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ysubigred on September 26, 2016, 11:18:12 AM
Hey guys, USD guy here, just got done watching the replay of some of your game last night. I know Robert Morris isn't very good, so hard to gauge just how you will match-up with us, but considering you held on with WVU, it looks like we will have our hands full.

Things I noticed from small amount of game I watched:

Trent Hosick is an athletic QB who can evade a solid rush and make defenses pay for it. Again, my sample size is small in what I saw, but his accuracy in throwing looked just OK, but he seems to be more of a running QB which would be the reason.

Martin Ruiz is fast, and can quickly make it past that first level for a solid gain. USD's D-line is somewhat inconsistent, so that worries me most about Ruiz.

Defensive rush is solid. Put a lot of pressure on Bobby Morris's QB.

Whenever you guys start a YSU/USD thread, I'll add more, but looking forward to starting conference play in two weeks. Good luck, guys!

*EDIT* I noticed some talk of you guys wanting to leave the MVFC. As an MVFC fan, I believe you guys are integral to the difficulty of the MVFC. I would be disappointed if you guys left the conference for the much inferior NEC.

What should we watch for from your guys?

Hey Happy, tell Karl Hungus to call me!

USD will be a hand full for our secondary. I don't think a ton of points will be scored in this one!
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: coyotecrazie5 on September 27, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
Does Youngstown have any online streaming, or is ESPN3 the only choice?

Thanks
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 27, 2016, 05:11:12 PM
Does Youngstown have any online streaming, or is ESPN3 the only choice?

Thanks

ESPN3 only, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 27, 2016, 05:24:40 PM
Ricky, Jody, Brock all ready to go this week.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 27, 2016, 06:54:59 PM
*EDIT* I noticed some talk of you guys wanting to leave the MVFC. As an MVFC fan, I believe you guys are integral to the difficulty of the MVFC. I would be disappointed if you guys left the conference for the much inferior NEC.

Too late! The TV color commentator said that RMU is a new rivalry for YSU!  Seriously who knows what'll happen.  The MAC is a house of cards, and a new Ohio conference could form in the FCS.  If we don't get FCOA schollies like you guys are offering, the recruiting obstacles may become insurmountable.  I'd be very surprised if we left the MVFC for the NEC.  CAA maybe, but doubt that too.

 
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: guinpen on September 27, 2016, 08:30:10 PM
*EDIT* I noticed some talk of you guys wanting to leave the MVFC. As an MVFC fan, I believe you guys are integral to the difficulty of the MVFC. I would be disappointed if you guys left the conference for the much inferior NEC.

I am one that would like to "move on" from the league, not knocking the league, not afraid of the competition, just cannot relate to the far off schools Iowa and the Dakotas. The NEC is not an option. The CAA would be a bit better, more name recognition with most of the schools and a little better footprint.

There are a bunch of attractive schools in Ohio and Michigan that would be a great fit albeit a few minor issues. Until they realize that they would be better in FCS it will not happen.

Looking forward to Sat
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: mayor on September 27, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Ricky, Jody, Brock all ready to go this week.
Here is the weekly press conference with Ricky talking about South Dakota ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge12k5FSOHw&feature=share
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on September 27, 2016, 11:40:24 PM
I am very optimistic about this game. I think we can pull away from them.

- We play the Coyotes very consistently & they are always tough against us. So we will learn a great deal from this game.

- Ruiz looked more like his usual self last week. Coach P said that Webb could have gone last week if he had to. McCaster is looking better every time he plays. We should be able to control on offense.

- We should have 4 healthy QB's.

- I do not think that any of the teams in the MVFC have the speed of WVU in the receiving corpse, but I really think we need to play deeper in the secondary. If coach Carl want to leave the outsides open, that may work, but to have the safeties play up and the LB's playing inside is what cost us the WVU game and gave Duquesne a TD on us last week.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: go guins on September 28, 2016, 08:54:55 AM
*EDIT* I noticed some talk of you guys wanting to leave the MVFC. As an MVFC fan, I believe you guys are integral to the difficulty of the MVFC. I would be disappointed if you guys left the conference for the much inferior NEC.

Too late! The TV color commentator said that RMU is a new rivalry for YSU!  Seriously who knows what'll happen.  The MAC is a house of cards, and a new Ohio conference could form in the FCS.  If we don't get FCOA schollies like you guys are offering, the recruiting obstacles may become insurmountable.  I'd be very surprised if we left the MVFC for the NEC.  CAA maybe, but doubt that too.
CAA is a far better option for us than NEC.  Good grief, NEC is a BIG step backward.  I'm not sure YSU fits that well for the Colonial.  I do think the huge distances required for MVFC is a real long term problem for YSU expense wise. 
IMO greatest thing possible for YSU is a MAC blowup and new "all sports" 1AA league with KSU, UA, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, BGSU, Miami, James Madison, Coastal Carolina, YSU
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 28, 2016, 10:13:47 AM
Pre-game info:

From the Vindy:

The key to the Coyotes’ offense is quarterback Chris Streveler. The junior is leading the team in both passing (169 yards per game) and rushing (115.7 yards per game).

At 6-foot-2 and 220 pounds, the YSU defense will have to deal with not only a running quarterback, but a large running quarterback.

“It’s almost like playing a wildcat type offense with a guy who can throw a little bit,” Pelini said. “He’s tough.

“He can run and he’s shown good speed on the outside a couple times on some long runs. It’s not like your normal quarterback who runs the ball. He’s going to run the ball like a tailback.”

“They can play in their underwear for all I’m concerned as long as they play good,” Pelini said.”


http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/28/off-week-enhances-healing/

From YSUsports.com:

   The No. 15 Youngstown State football team opens Missouri Valley Football Conference play on Saturday afternoon against South Dakota at Stambaugh Stadium. Kickoff for the contest is set for 4 p.m. The game is available on WKBN 570 AM, iHeartRadio and ESPN3/WatchESPN App.

South Dakota (1-2) was also off last weekend following a tough 47-44 double-overtime defeat at North Dakota. The Coyotes led by 20 points in the second half, only to come up short in the contest.

The Penguins have won the previous four meetings against South Dakota, including a 31-3 triumph last year at the DakotaDome.

YSU has won seven straight MVFC openers, the longest current streak among Valley schools.

The Penguins have not allowed a rushing touchdown through three games.

  The Penguins' defensive-end combo of Avery Moss (No. 9) and Derek Rivers (No. 11) is one of the top ones in the nation.
    WVU Head Coach Dana Holgorsen was quoted as saying following the contest "These two cats that we played against from Youngstown State were as good of pass rushers as I've seen" (h/t @mitchsherman).


http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/south-dakota-preview

5dimes has the spread at YSU -14.5.  The over/under is set at 67.5  (IMO, YSU covers).

Massey gives YSU a 79% chance of victory and predicts a score of 38-27.

Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 28, 2016, 05:28:43 PM
Excerpts from a game preview from Drae Smith:

The USD offense is led by junior quarterback Chris Streveler who is in his first season with the program after transferring from Minnesota. The dual threat signal caller has thrown nine touchdown passes while also leading the team in rushing with 115.7 yards per game and four scores. The 6’2, 220-pound junior earned the starting job by beating out last year’s starter, senior Ryan Saeger, in fall camp.

The YSU offense is averaging an impressive 482 yards per game this season and should be able to continue that success against a struggling South Dakota defense. The Penguins will also be back to full strength in terms of injuries for the first time since the season opener.

With a daunting MVFC schedule that includes road games at playoff-regulars Illinois State, North Dakota State and South Dakota State plus Northern Iowa at home, this game can legitimately be viewed as a must-win for Youngstown State.


http://www.draesmith.com/blog/2016/9/27/ysu-hosts-south-dakota-in-conference-opener
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 29, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
Charles Grove ‏@CgroveVindy  16h16 hours ago
Stopped by #YSU football practice today. Coach Pelini was not thrilled today w/ effort. Gave them a good chewing after practice. @vindicator

https://twitter.com/CgroveVindy/status/781251539977601024

Charles Grove ‏@CgroveVindy  16h16 hours ago
Pelini: "We ain't there, we ain't even (expletive) close. First 3 games are over. Put up or shut up now." #YSU @vindicator

https://twitter.com/CgroveVindy/status/781251789945528320

I know this topic has been burnt to a crisp but it matters.  Could it be that after insulting D1 athletes, some of whom transferred from P5 schools, with two NEC games, that they are undermotivated?
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: KilrpengWin on September 29, 2016, 10:53:13 AM
Charles Grove ‏@CgroveVindy  16h16 hours ago
Stopped by #YSU football practice today. Coach Pelini was not thrilled today w/ effort. Gave them a good chewing after practice. @vindicator

https://twitter.com/CgroveVindy/status/781251539977601024

Charles Grove ‏@CgroveVindy  16h16 hours ago
Pelini: "We ain't there, we ain't even (expletive) close. First 3 games are over. Put up or shut up now." #YSU @vindicator
After that super human effort against Bobby morris maybe they do need a good chewing out. You can't pick and choose you're level of intensity just because you're playing an NEC school. walk on scholarship or Div.1 transfer, makes no difference. Play like you did against the mountaineers or don't play at all. A chewing out? sounds like a slap on the wrist to me.
https://twitter.com/CgroveVindy/status/781251789945528320

I know this topic has been burnt to a crisp but it matters.  Could it be that after insulting D1 athletes, some of whom transferred from P5 schools, with two NEC games, that they are undermotivated?
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: KilrpengWin on September 29, 2016, 11:01:15 AM
seems to be a problem with the message I was trying to send But,... as I was going to say, maybe they do need a good chewing out. After that super human effort against Bobby Morris they should get it You can't pick and choose your level of intensity just because you're playing an NEC school. walk on, scholarship, or Div. 1 transfer, if you don't give the same effort you did against the Mountaineers, maybe you do need a little chewing out. Knowing Pellini, it would seem like a slap on the wrist to me!
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on September 29, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
Who you play has nothing to do with it. Many big-6 transfers are just that ...big-6 transfers:

They are here and...
-wish they were at a big-6 schools again
-think they are better than others.
-they think all schools at this level are easier (usually this ends pretty quickly. 1 game).
-They were troubles there and they will usually still be troubles here.

These are all dictionary reasons why you need to stay away from IA transfers as much as possible. They need to understand before they come here. They need to understand what football is like here
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Wick250 on September 29, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
Grove is doing a good job replacing Scalzo, but let's not cling to his opinions as if they were sacred scripture. Teams have good practices and bad practices.  Many coaches respond with emotion after a bad practice.  This is no big deal.  And it might have actually been contrived by Pelini to prevent a letdown on Saturday.

As far as our transfers being insulted by playing NEC teams, are Ohio State's elite studs insulted by playing the stiffs in their ooc schedule?  Relatively speaking, OSU plays a lighter ooc than we do.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 29, 2016, 07:19:51 PM
As far as our transfers being insulted by playing NEC teams, are Ohio State's elite studs insulted by playing the stiffs in their ooc schedule?  Relatively speaking, OSU plays a lighter ooc than we do.

idk.  Everyone tOSU plays has an equivalent # of scholarships.  The NEC is not up to 63 schollies now, although is planning to get there.  Using Massey, Tulsa and BG are ranked higher in the FBS than Duquesne and RMU are in the FCS.  An apples to apples comparison would be us to this:

http://www.gobison.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&print=true&version=1

or this:

http://unipanthers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 29, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
Hype vid:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyJdmSJNORI
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: The YO Show on September 30, 2016, 10:22:04 AM
Only one day away!  ;D
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Wick250 on September 30, 2016, 02:17:14 PM
Still no meaningful discussion about this game?  The South Dakota qb is a legitimate FBS talent; apparently he transferred after Minnesota wanted to move him to another position.  Whether he has room to operate will depend entirely upon the South Dakota line and their ability to block our front seven.

South Dakota has scored a lot of points but consider their opposition.  Using the Sagarin ratings, FBS New Mexico is #114 and they blew South Dakota, #167, out.  YSU is #96 and I would expect that we could defeat New Mexico.  South Dakota has a double OT home win over Weber State, #182.  That is roughly the same as Duquesne, #193.  Their double OT road loss came against FCS North Dakota, #160.

Basically if our defense is as good as we expect, it should be on display tomorrow.  If we struggle, it might well be another long and frustrating season.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on September 30, 2016, 08:20:17 PM
IMO, the lack of hype is a consequence of OOC opponents that reaffirm the (mis)belief of many that YSU FB is a second rate program in a second rate division.  One playoff year in the moRon era compounds that stereotype.  This needs to be a breakout year, and that needs to start Saturday.

A few things I'll be looking at tomorrow:

1)  Conditioning.  YSU tanked in Q2 versus WVU, as they have in several MVFC games last year.  This raises concerns for me re: strength and conditioning.  Can they play 4 quarters versus an MVFC opponent? IMO, if they are not leading...at home...versus USD....by 14 at the half....then there is reason for concern for the outcome of the game and the rest of the season.  This should be the second most likely conference win of 2016.

2)  The o-line.  Trent was flushed out of the pocket all game versus RMU, and was sacked twice.  Brock is back but c'mon....RMU?  Trent should've been able to text and take selfies in the pocket.  Can the o-line protect #12...who is coming back after a concussion. Also, this is the MVFC's top rushing O versus the worst rushing D.  This should be a big day for Webb, Ruiz, and McAster.

3)  #12.  Concussions can take months to recover from.  How ready is he?  How will he respond, as our leading rusher versus WVU, when he takes hits in and out of the pocket?  The least # of points scored versus USD is 47 so far this season.  If that scoring steel mill shift whistle doesn't blow a few times a quarter, then there is reason for concern.  Need also to watch the drops by the receivers.

4)#11.  Poor performance versus RMU. Just a bad night, or is he exposed as not ready for field duty?

5)  Can we contain Streveler?  He averages over 100 yards/game rushing and is the second leading rusher in the MVFC as a QB.  Contain him and this game may be a blowout.

6)  Actual attendance.  Will the red out bring out the students?  How much of the red will actually be scarlet? :D

My prediction:

YSU 38 - 21
4/5 of YSU's TDs are rushing.






Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 01, 2016, 08:28:09 AM
Gameday! Let's get it fellas!

27-17 good guys
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on October 01, 2016, 09:27:53 AM
Some good points Nation. Our offense needs to come up big today and I'm very excited to see Webb back. They give up alot of points and about 6.5 yards a carry. Offensively they can put up a good amount of points in a hurry and they can also run clock if need be. I'm also thinking about a 14-17 point spread. I think Ricky Davis put it best..They might be 1-2 but have played a very good schedule and will come prepared
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ValleyTalk on October 01, 2016, 11:09:58 AM
YSU 24-10
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: KilrpengWin on October 01, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
What a disgusting performance! I saw absolutely nothing that would lead me to believe we can win this conference. They played worse than they played against Bobby Morris. WAY too many mistakes and too many points left on the field.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: penguinpower on October 01, 2016, 07:03:35 PM
Another beautiful game called by Montgomery.  3 points by the offense in the second half.  3ints by our inexperienced QB.  Ran him 100 times so he get wrecked.  What a POS offensive performance.  Pass the ball with 3 min left.  Idiot.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: penguinpower on October 01, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
We are going to get destroyed he continues to run the QB 23 times after a concussion.  Montgomery must be brain dead or missing a chromosome.  Maybe he had a stroke.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on October 01, 2016, 07:31:29 PM
SD might not win a game the rest of the year the conference is that good..In other news Missouri St. beat the HELL out of Indiana St..Hold on boys the tough games are coming..I'll take the win and the defense looked great today
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 01, 2016, 08:22:59 PM
Horrid play calling in the 2nd half, as usual for Monty. Playing not to lose instead of to win. Ricky had some bad throws but was put into a horrible position, especially on the last one. 3rd down and the WR's ran all seam routes lol. Jesus..... Thank god for the defense.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: guinpen on October 01, 2016, 08:33:39 PM
Just an observation about the crowd, less than great. Now if we had been playing a NEC type school no doubt there would be posts stating that the crowd was small because of the quality of the opposition. Well we had a legit 1AA school from a pretty good 1AA league and lots of empty seats. maybe scheduling is not the root problem, maybe there just are not as many YSU fans.

Thought the defense played a good game, thought the offense should have done  more. Not scoring in the red zone in the 2qtr kept the game closer than it should have been. Need to cut done on the turnovers and penalties.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Buddy on October 01, 2016, 08:44:50 PM
The crowd was terrible... Dead.  Like being at a golf outing.

Thought we played good at timed but way too many mistakes.  4 TOs..  Fixable I hope
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 01, 2016, 09:06:54 PM
The crowds suck, and will continue to suck until this program makes the playoffs.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytowngirl on October 01, 2016, 09:26:58 PM
The crowds suck, and will continue to suck until this program makes the playoffs.

Crowds will probably suck then too.  I don't see the crowds of the 90's and 2000's ever coming back.  Most those people either passed away or moved away.  Maybe even too old now to come to games.  Most kids these days could careless about YSU football. 
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ValleyTalk on October 01, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
Way too many missed opportunities. We let them stay in this game when we failed to score on those drives in the second quarter. The good thing is we escaped with a win and overall our defense played real well. If/when we see this team play to their potential, watch out. Would love to see it next week vs. Illinois State who has now lost 3 straight. I feared that one at the beginning of the season, but Illinois State's offense is really struggling this year.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on October 01, 2016, 10:04:56 PM
Interesting that ISUr can beat a BIG team, but not a Valley team.  Next week is their Homecoming, lots to work on before that road trip.

Score by quarter: YSU +7/+10/-3/-4.  You can set your watch by the timing of the meltdowns.  If the tank gets empty at the half, we better go into the half with 2-3 score leads.

I thought the defense was spectacular.  Streveler prolly has PTSD now from Moss and Rivers.  I don't fault Jameel Smith for wanting to take his pic to the house instead of downing in in the end zone.  Loved the enthusiasm.  The Powell pic 6 was awesome.





Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Wick250 on October 01, 2016, 10:20:44 PM
There were some good things today.  All the wasted opportunities disguise the fact that we accumulated 450 yards.  My goodness, it should have been 34-3 at halftime.

Davis was 15 for 23 for 281 yards.  Two bad decisions, but those might be fixable with more game experience.  The defense held their quarterback to 10 for 27, and he gained exactly 14 yards in 14 attempts once the sacks are factored into the statistics.  Didn't like the way South Dakota waltzed down the field in garbage time, but that happens.

Could somebody please explain why we sent Webb up the middle into the teeth of their defense about five times? :o  And five times with the same result.  That is exactly how he got hurt against Duquesne.  Any more of that and I will have to join the anti-Montgomery bandwagon.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: penguinpower on October 01, 2016, 10:47:19 PM
There were some good things today.  All the wasted opportunities disguise the fact that we accumulated 450 yards.  My goodness, it should have been 34-3 at halftime.

Davis was 15 for 23 for 281 yards.  Two bad decisions, but those might be fixable with more game experience.  The defense held their quarterback to 10 for 27, and he gained exactly 14 yards in 14 attempts once the sacks are factored into the statistics.  Didn't like the way South Dakota waltzed down the field in garbage time, but that happens.

Could somebody please explain why we sent Webb up the middle into the teeth of their defense about five times? :o  And five times with the same result.  That is exactly how he got hurt against Duquesne.  Any more of that and I will have to join the anti-Montgomery bandwagon.

You need to join the anti-Montgomery movement.  Garbage play calling. I think they want to hurt the QB so Hosick can be the starter.   Why would you do what we did?  Horrible play calling. If that is not the case, then why would we pass with 3 min in the game with a lead?  We should have been picked off.  Dumb.  Maybe we don't have the horse's on the OL because we couldn't get a 4th an one on the goal line.  I don't know but I'm. Pissed off
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ValleyTalk on October 01, 2016, 11:13:12 PM
There were some good things today.  All the wasted opportunities disguise the fact that we accumulated 450 yards.  My goodness, it should have been 34-3 at halftime.

Davis was 15 for 23 for 281 yards.  Two bad decisions, but those might be fixable with more game experience.  The defense held their quarterback to 10 for 27, and he gained exactly 14 yards in 14 attempts once the sacks are factored into the statistics.  Didn't like the way South Dakota waltzed down the field in garbage time, but that happens.

Could somebody please explain why we sent Webb up the middle into the teeth of their defense about five times? :o  And five times with the same result.  That is exactly how he got hurt against Duquesne.  Any more of that and I will have to join the anti-Montgomery bandwagon.

You need to join the anti-Montgomery movement.  Garbage play calling. I think they want to hurt the QB so Hosick can be the starter.

That may be up there with 1AAFan calling the all red uniforms, which I absolutely loved btw, "ghetto."
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 01, 2016, 11:39:57 PM
I loved the all red unis. Absolutely loved them. Once again, this teams downfall will be offensive play calling and execution in 2nd half of games.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on October 02, 2016, 12:09:28 AM
I thought the defense was spectacular.  Streveler prolly has PTSD now from Moss and Rivers.  I don't fault Jameel Smith for wanting to take his pic to the house instead of downing in in the end zone.  Loved the enthusiasm.  The Powell pic 6 was awesome.

What game did you watch today? Defense was spectacular ... LOL. We were beat up top and on the ground today. They waltzed down the field on us and we were hapless to stop them. They lined up twins against us, just like WVU. On over half of those we went into single coverage.

Offensive play-calling was terrific, who are you guys kidding, we were all over them. One of you complains about being too conservative, then in the same breath complain about throwing late in the game. Why complain ...we needed a score, what the hell else did you want him to do? Wick you open up a negative post with how the offense gained 450 yards, then insult your OC ...that makes real sense.

We held the ball for over 38-minutes. Yet despite this, USD had 13-drives


Youngstown State    1    13:01    2:14    USD39    6    39    TD
Youngstown State    1    08:13    4:33    YSU29    10    62    FG
---62-yards for 3-points? Could not execute.
Youngstown State    1    01:44    2:33    YSU30    6    70    TD

Youngstown State    2    12:39    4:17    YSU30    8    69    DOWNS
---we could not execute.
Youngstown State    2    06:20    2:31    YSU43    5    38    FUMB
---Davis fumbled.
Youngstown State    2    02:28    2:28    USD49    5    38    FG
--Davis sacked. Again lack of execution

Youngstown State    3    14:54    6:23    YSU19    12    50    DOWNS
-Terrible effort. I will even grant you the fact that I would have tried more outside run game, but USD was so much faster than we were, I can see why we did not do it.
Youngstown State    3    07:58    0:07    YSU19    1    0    INT
---INT
Youngstown State    3    00:00    0:00    YSU23    0    0    FUMB
---Fumble
Youngstown State    3    04:20    6:13    YSU32    14    61    FG
--- 2 sacks and a holding penalty

Youngstown State    4    11:12    2:41    YSU32    6    8    INT
--A sack and INT
Youngstown State    4    05:24    2:38    YSU25    6    21    PUNT
--Block in the back, unsportsmanlike, and holding all in one drive. FIRE MONTGOMERY ///LOL
Youngstown State    4    02:37    0:00    USD21    0    0    TD
Youngstown State    4    01:33    1:33    USD44    3    -4    HALF
--running out clock

Here is a simple rule of football that has stood the test of time for close to a century:

A complete drive for a TD is 80-yards (actually now it is 75). That is a kick into the end-zone.
A complete drive for a FG is 50-yards (actually now it is 40). The is making it to the 35-yard-line.

YSU Today:
450-yards offense/75 = 6-touchdowns. 6-TDS x 7-points = 42-points. This is a minimum effort

Our offense only produced 23-points off of 450-yards today and YOU ARE BLAMING THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR? Are you kidding me? Did you even go to the game? If so did you even watch it, or were you throwing back cold-ones in the tailgate lots during the game. This team is simply not ready to play with the big boys. We still played our safeties in run support because we cannot guard a rushing QB, which in today's world is every single team outside of the xDSU's, Cardinal Mooney and Canfield.
Get with the program, your OC gave you every opportunity in the world to waltz off with 49-points today (if you include the pick-6) and we simply could not do it, as our offense does not execute well. We simply have no secondary and thus no defense until it is time for nickel and dime packages. Now late today we were able to bring pressure early against an outmatched and exhausted USD offensive front; but we need to do this all of the time without the help of our secondary!!

You have the #11 ranked offense (#3 in rushing, yet you complain about running the ball Wick), yet our pass game is not even ranked in the top half of the nation; this despite the fact that our team attempts 25 pass plays per game? Your QB controls the offense at YSU & is given plenty of opportunity from Montgomery ...he is not finishing the job. HE IS SIMPLY A QB THAT IS PLAYING HIS 3RD CAREER DI GAME. DEAL WITH IT ...Montgomery does every day, despite your b****ing.

While I am at it:

Score by quarters     1st     2nd     3rd     4th     Total
Youngstown State     34     41     21     38     134
Opponents     13     14     26     21     74

Seems to me that our 4th-quarter is pretty good. Don't you wish your defense was doing the same?
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: penguinpower on October 02, 2016, 12:16:13 AM
I thought the defense was spectacular.  Streveler prolly has PTSD now from Moss and Rivers.  I don't fault Jameel Smith for wanting to take his pic to the house instead of downing in in the end zone.  Loved the enthusiasm.  The Powell pic 6 was awesome.

What game did you watch today? Defense was spectacular ... LOL. We were beat up top and on the ground today. They waltzed down the field on us and we were hapless to stop them. They lined up twins against us, just like WVU. On over half of those we went into single coverage.

Offensive play-calling was terrific, who are you guys kidding, we were all over them. One of you complains about being too conservative, then in the same breath complain about throwing late in the game. Why complain ...we needed a score, what the hell else did you want him to do? Wick you open up a negative post with how the offense gained 450 yards, then insult your OC ...that makes real sense.

We held the ball for over 38-minutes. Yet despite this, USD had 13-drives


Youngstown State    1    13:01    2:14    USD39    6    39    TD
Youngstown State    1    08:13    4:33    YSU29    10    62    FG
---62-yards for 3-points? Could not execute.
Youngstown State    1    01:44    2:33    YSU30    6    70    TD

Youngstown State    2    12:39    4:17    YSU30    8    69    DOWNS
---we could not execute.
Youngstown State    2    06:20    2:31    YSU43    5    38    FUMB
---Davis fumbled.
Youngstown State    2    02:28    2:28    USD49    5    38    FG
--Davis sacked. Again lack of execution

Youngstown State    3    14:54    6:23    YSU19    12    50    DOWNS
-Terrible effort. I will even grant you the fact that I would have tried more outside run game, but USD was so much faster than we were, I can see why we did not do it.
Youngstown State    3    07:58    0:07    YSU19    1    0    INT
---INT
Youngstown State    3    00:00    0:00    YSU23    0    0    FUMB
---Fumble
Youngstown State    3    04:20    6:13    YSU32    14    61    FG
--- 2 sacks and a holding penalty

Youngstown State    4    11:12    2:41    YSU32    6    8    INT
--A sack and INT
Youngstown State    4    05:24    2:38    YSU25    6    21    PUNT
--Block in the back, unsportsmanlike, and holding all in one drive. FIRE MONTGOMERY ///LOL
Youngstown State    4    02:37    0:00    USD21    0    0    TD
Youngstown State    4    01:33    1:33    USD44    3    -4    HALF
--running out clock

Here is a simple rule of football that has stood the test of time for close to a century:

A complete drive for a TD is 80-yards (actually now it is 75). That is a kick into the end-zone.
A complete drive for a FG is 50-yards (actually now it is 40). The is making it to the 35-yard-line.

YSU Today:
450-yards offense/75 = 6-touchdowns. 6-TDS x 7-points = 42-points. This is a minimum effort

Our offense only produced 23-points off of 450-yards today and YOU ARE BLAMING THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR? Are you kidding me? Did you even go to the game? If so did you even watch it, or were you throwing back cold-ones in the tailgate lots during the game. This team is simply not ready to play with the big boys. We still played our safeties in run support because we cannot guard a rushing QB, which in today's world is every single team outside of the xDSU's, Cardinal Mooney and Canfield.
Get with the program, your OC gave you every opportunity in the world to waltz off with 49-points today (if you include the pick-6) and we simply could not do it, as our offense does not execute well. We simply have no secondary and thus no defense until it is time for nickel and dime packages. Now late today we were able to bring pressure early against an outmatched and exhausted USD offensive front; but we need to do this all of the time without the help of our secondary!!

You have the #11 ranked offense (#3 in rushing, yet you complain about running the ball Wick), yet our pass game is not even ranked in the top half of the nation; this despite the fact that our team attempts 25 pass plays per game? Your QB controls the offense at YSU & is given plenty of opportunity from Montgomery ...he is not finishing the job. HE IS SIMPLY A QB THAT IS PLAYING HIS 3RD CAREER DI GAME. DEAL WITH IT ...Montgomery does every day, despite your b****ing.

Forget your BS analysis in favor of the idiot.  Why did we score only 3 points on offense in the second half?  Can you answer that simple question?  Bullsh** offensive play calling.....that is the answer.  How does ohio state WI a NC with a QB that has less than3 games of experience?  IT is no different.   we did not pit the players in position to dominate the game.  You've got to be kidding me.  I've got to get ready for a hurricane to that is all for now
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on October 02, 2016, 12:19:20 AM
absolute crap power and you know it. You are shown proof (not analysis. save that for the a$$holes on ESPN) and you just want to be a hater. Make that a blind hater. About as blind as our corner who actually turned his head twice today!

Our offensive play-calling mowed USD over today and the PLAYERS could not punch it in the end-zone.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Wick250 on October 02, 2016, 12:50:14 AM
IAA Fan,

You have a unique world view, and you probably do not realize what you just did by listing the summary of YSU possessions in this game.  You actually delivered a harsher critique of Montgomery than anything that Nation or Power ever posted.  The primary responsibility for an oc is to score points.  450 yards and only 23 points represents a shocking shortcoming.  You are a great YSU fan.  But there are some things that you just cannot see.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: penguinpower on October 02, 2016, 01:03:38 AM
IAA Fan,

You have a unique world view, and you probably do not realize what you just did by listing the summary of YSU possessions in this game.  You actually delivered a harsher critique of Montgomery than anything that Nation or Power ever posted.  The primary responsibility for an oc is to score points.  450 yards and only 23 points represents a shocking shortcoming.  You are a great YSU fan.  But there are some things that you just cannot see.

Wick,  you and I are in total agreement.  The legacy of Montgomery is we don't score in the second half.  To my point, once again we score only 3 points.  We run our QB recovering from a concussion and call bad plays with 3 minutes left in the game?  Why would you throw it?  They stacked the box all night, it wouldn't have made much of a difference if we ran the ball.  We played into their hands but managed to win.  I am not a hater, I love my Penguins, but I expect the best, and I know when we have a championship team on our hands.  Right now it doesn't appear that way, but we have the talent and we are not playing well enough to win it all.  That problem lies with coaching.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: penguinpower on October 02, 2016, 02:00:43 AM
absolute crap power and you know it. You are shown proof (not analysis. save that for the a$$holes on ESPN) and you just want to be a hater. Make that a blind hater. About as blind as our corner who actually turned his head twice today!

Our offensive play-calling mowed USD over today and the PLAYERS could not punch it in the end-zone.

The defense wasn't the greatest problem.  They didn't play well in the secondary, but the offense couldn't score on the goal line against a team that was outmatched?  Total BS.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 02, 2016, 08:44:51 AM
I-AA fan, you are unbelievable. Held an offense that was averaging almost 40 points to 20 and that was averaging 400+ yards to 2 something. Beat the crap out of their running QB. Let them score a late TD when the game was out of hand already. You and Montgomery are best buds, we get it. But he is a joke of a play caller. Especially in the 2nd half. Makes no adjustments and will cost us more games in the 2nd half. You are all alone on this subject, sad.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on October 02, 2016, 08:58:24 AM
Honestly not sure what to think with Ricky running the ball so much after coming off the injury. I think part of it is we don't have the larger backs to do so and it opens up more for him in the passing game. The question is what are we going to do against the good defenses in our conference? I watched SDSU's route of WIU and Qb Taryn Christion only had to run 5 times when protection broke down around him. He let all of his big backs do the dirty work and passed for 5 Td's with 4 of them going for long routes to the TE's. Even though the Redbirds are 2-3 they still have a very solid defense..this is a must win IMO for both teams this Saturday..Their offense is really hurting this year not having to run/pass option like they did in the past
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on October 02, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
But.....but....Roethlisberger......lol

I'll just say this regarding the OC...because of his decisions we did not make the playoffs in 2015.....because of his decisions #12 has less game experience going into 2016....so bad decisions in 2015 negatively impact 2016.  It was so bizarre and freakish that I was convinced that we did not want to win.

The defense.  The defense held wonder boy Streveler to 14 rushing yards when he averaged >100, picked him twice and forced a fumble.  The defense scored a third of our TDs.  USD only converted 4 third downs all game.  We held them to less points than anyone has held them to, including an FBS team. 

I think the team is poorly conditioned as a whole as evidence by yet another second half meltdown, but overall the issues are not with the d...or special teams......

As far as Ricky goes, it takes a BAMF to come back after a concussion and play that well in the first half.  The offense was on the field a long time...I wonder if #11 should have taken a series or two as #12 seemed to fade in the second half.

Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ValleyTalk on October 02, 2016, 09:57:25 AM
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Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on October 02, 2016, 10:01:34 AM
I never said the defense is the greatest problem and do not believe that to be so. I have an issue with the scheme. I have an issue with the talent that we have in some areas, offense is certainly no exception. So when you want to talk about coach M's recruiting, we may have more in common to talk about.

"Beat the crap out of a running QB"? Say I do not want that style of offense to begin with and the game was not out of hand. When was that game EVER out of hand after the first quarter? When we had the ball (after an onside kick mind you) with a buck-48 to go? Say when you cannot trust your QB to make simple passes over the 10-man box, you have no choice but to run. You know as well as I that there should have been more than 2 INT's off of Davis. USD defenders dropped at least 2 more and did not even see the ball floating in the air a couple more times. You don't say a word about our o-line getting beat up the whole game even the first half.

The simple fact of the matter is that we do not put out the effort and you people are afraid to call out the names of players. You people all think that play-calling is so simple. Everything is fine when we have to bring up our secondary to make up for lack of ability up front on defense. Then when a team just burns us with the deep ball, it is okay because they are WVU. (Every single one of you knows that we should have beaten the Mountaineers ...they played terribly against us). Why all the forgiveness on defense? After all it happened against an NEC school as well....because the HC is supposedly defensively-oriented and he and our DC both have the name Pelini. You b**ched about a new offense and then when you get it ...you still complain. Then there is your constant "Ricky ....Ricky ...Ricky. Say if he was #1, he would have started 2-years ago. However we will for give him because he is coming off a concussion...who gives a crap? If you are not playing at the #1 level for any reason then you need to take a seat. Again you are afraid to call him out and you just make up excuses for him! You are doing the same thing for Davis that you say I am doing for coach M.

Calling offense based on two factors:

1. What the other team is giving you and
2. The talent that you have

Calling offense is not like calling defense, where all we try to do is limit the damage. Yes real defense (that we all want) went out in the 90's. Is play calling what caused us to have 2 INT's and 2 fumbles? Was it Montgomery that could not make holes for Webb, no but it was Montgomery that brought in McCaster to help with the issue. (3 FG's in the red-zone? How about the fact that our big-play offense struggled inside the 35?). Was it Montgomery that played so erratic at QB? No; but it was Montgomery that brought in Davis which all of you were crying for. You can never be satisfied. Montgomery has been the only consistency in an ever-changing run of defenses, with the exception of this year when he had to make major changes. I do not shield coach M from blame, but I do not except our current level of effort. No just blame the OC and AD then life is good.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: YSUGO on October 02, 2016, 10:54:43 AM
First of all a wins a win no matter how ugly it is.  We all know that after the Tressel years. I will list my thoughts as a list so I don't forget after a night of letting the emotions cool.

1. Crowd.
         Weather report strikes again.  But our area has no connection to the teams we play, other than Akron and Kent we have no natural rivals.  Youngstown has lost considerable population and what is left could careless about local college football.  Even if we win in this brand of football 10-15 thousand would be max.  Nobody cares what league we are in.  Cable tv also plays in.  But not much ESPN 3 might hurt a little too but not much. FCS football in Ohio is like shopping at Kmart or Sears. No reason to go or care.  Move up or change conferences.
There was hardly any students again and they do a giveaway every game for 2 $250 schollies per game.

2.  Monty

    Still dont get him after what 8 yrs.  His offense genius is between the 20's. in the red zone he is clueless and indecisive.  (Example,  having to call timeout after time out because we don't know Which of the 3 plays to call
We need to speed up tempo instead we plod our way down the field st times and our team plays like that as well.  speed it up the kids will respond.  SD was doing that and was successful they didn't have the horses to sustain it.
Back to Monty. Wtf happens to him in the second half.  Year after year game after game we have the lead and he goes into a shell in the second half.  We had superior speed at the skills and we Never isolated or ran any screens to our speed guys and if we would have took more vertical shots with them playing so close in the box with their safety's Davis would have had 400 yds lke WV did.  Good coaches ADJUST and EXPLOINT and get the ball into the hands of your playmakers.  They few times that he usedWebb like that the lb had no chance to cover him. 
No BIG BACK.  What happened to running Kuhn in short yardage.  I guess we lost that page of the playbook.  .  If I was Pelini I would fire Monty at the end of the season and get his guy.  Yea we got 450 on that D but if you did your homework even your grandma new they had a young undersized D with not much speed in the secondary.  Not impressed and time to move on. 

Defense.

Pelini bro schemed was dead on.  Stop the QB and you stop the Coyotes.  They caught us at times withe hurry up and for the love of Pete if the corner is getting beat take the penalty instead of letting them get the score.  It's college football. It's 15 yds not 6pts. Teams are double and triple teaming Rivers which has opened up some big plays for Moss.  The D had a pick 6 so as a whole they did their job.

Special teams. Not much to say except Kennedy is automatic and gets great depth on his kickoffs.  Translates touchback or little yardage on returns.  We only punted once and it was a long touch back.  Vastly improved special teams.

Summary.  We did what we had to do.  I thought Davis did well.  Ruiz ran well and we need to ride him 20+ carries a game to take control of the running game to protect Ricky.  Spot Webb 15 -18 plays to isolate him due to down and distance.  We are still a bubble team here 7 wins is in realm. .  I really think we need to figure out what happens when this team runs into the locker room at half time.  We can't keep putting all the pressure on the D with what I see as weak adjustments poor use of personnel and play calling that makes u scratch your head.  I feel Monty!s job to keep or lose this year.  Fix your Red zone offense that would be a start.

Go YSU!

Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on October 02, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
#11 won't see the field again this year unless Ricky is either hurt or we are up big. Keep in mind Hosick was actually 3rd on the depth chart to start the season and got moved into the back up role to preserve #6's red shirt for him. Ricky is an overall better decision maker and passer and runner then Hosick is..Between the two the staff has made the right choice
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 02, 2016, 11:36:28 AM
Keep running 5-7, 170 pound Webb up the middle for no gain its my favorite play Monty ;)
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on October 02, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
Thanks YSUGO for some sense and stability. I agree with our red-zone problems under Monty and I also place a great deal of that on recruiting and coach Carm.

As to the game last night, I agree we needed to isolate in the flat and see if we could use Webb's speed, but I simply did not trust Davis to get this done, for any number of reasons. It is probably harder to throw like that then straight down the field. I give Ruiz all the credit in the world. I am also mad that when we went to a 2-back set, we did not use Ruiz and McCaster.

#11 will never want to play, why risk getting hurt when you are going elsewhere? There is a time for dedication and time to think about yourself. Now is the latter for Wells. To Davis' credit ...last night he really put some "mustard" on the ball for the first time & this could have been a factor his erratic throwing. Wells still is the only one of the 3 that can hit the numbers consistently ...and before you all attack, I am only talking passing, not running.

I know we complain about this all the time, but officiating was really bad last night. That push-off was obvious and Bo let him have it. That late hit out of bounds was initiated while the defender was out-of-bounds ...that should have been 15 and an ejection.

Great point on the crowd. I was so disappointed.

Do not agree on Carl's scheme. If you  think coach M is stagnant, then coach Carl is "dead". It simply worked out for him last night as their line was so week, that their QB had to look short or run. We cannot (and have not been able to) sustain that against a good offensive front.

On Monty keep or losing his job, this may surprise you, but I agree. Then again, he is not Bo's pick, so that hog-ties him. I am confident he can fix the red-zone issues, but without Well firing the ball, it is on our O-line making holes and I do not see it happening this year.  Maybe late season but it will be too late by then. We are going to have to throw up close and I hate that. After last night I lost all confidence in Davis' arm. It seems like all our online can do is protect. I am thowing my support behind Ruiz and McCaster, with a delicate sprinkling of Webb.

GO GUINS!!
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on October 02, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
Chief. Webb only had 11 carriers last  night. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. You are thinking of last year wen Ruiz was hurt. Webb is your feature back. If we sent him outside every play then you would be complaining that every team knows what he is going to do. The skills are there and being used properly. What's the matter is 3 backs and QB with feet too much for you? I guess being #4 in the nation is not good enough.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penguin Nation on October 02, 2016, 12:05:39 PM
Seven trips to the red zone, and five of those did NOT result in a TD.....against the MVFCs worst rushing D. Shameful.

MSU is 3-1/1-0....we may have already played our easiest conference foe...at home. 

I still believe in #11, but don't believe he's > #12. I don't think #11 is leaving, but assume #6 is.  #12 is the fourth highest passing efficiency QB in the MVFC (#19 in the FCS), and this myth that he can't "hit the numbers consistently" still follows him.  He's never thrown a pic before yesterday in his college career.  He's coming off a concussion....I'll cut him some slack.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 02, 2016, 12:13:23 PM
As for Mr. Derek Rivers. We may never see someone with his ability in a penguin uniform again. What a player he is. Domination! Can't wait to see him on sundays in the future!
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: HappyPenguin on October 02, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
Seven trips to the red zone, and five of those did NOT result in a TD.....against the MVFCs worst rushing D. Shameful.

MSU is 3-1/1-0....we may have already played our easiest conference foe...at home. 

I still believe in #11, but don't believe he's > #12. I don't think #11 is leaving, but assume #6 is.  #12 is the fourth highest passing efficiency QB in the MVFC (#19 in the FCS), and this myth that he can't "hit the numbers consistently" still follows him.  He's never thrown a pic before yesterday in his college career.  He's coming off a concussion....I'll cut him some slack.

2 TD on 7 trips down is losing football. That falls on the offense bud.

Its like this game after game in the second half. How can you even argue otherwise? That's just lame....you don't need to keep defending your arguement you made 3 years ago. Look at whats on the field and you just may see a pattern here. Come on 1AA, we will still respect you.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on October 02, 2016, 03:17:46 PM
I haven't heard of #11 going anywhere he would only have a year of eligibility left, but I guess anything is possible. Just can't get very excited about any offensive numbers or rankings considering who we have played
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: Penquin68 on October 02, 2016, 04:07:02 PM
I think the defense and special teams are fine.

Can't believe they ran the QB so much.  He needs to be used running but not nearly as much if he is to make it through the season.  We need #12 at QB to have a chance at wins in conference. At one point in the red zone he had 2 consecutive QB draws!  Also our pass patterns and receivers on many plays are not at all open which cause the QB to throw into coverage and hope for the best.  Need to re-evaluate the offence.  Also the run game in short yardage was sure lacking.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: guinpen on October 02, 2016, 04:12:42 PM

I think they want to hurt the QB so Hosick can be the starter.   

Pretty sure that if they wanted Hosick to be the starter, all they have to do is say, hey Hosick you're the starter.

Guessing your comment was tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on October 02, 2016, 04:37:56 PM
I think we're going to have to rely on our defense this year to pull out the remaining conference games. Running your quarterback 20 plus times means one thing , you have serious personnel problems
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on October 02, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
Most everyone make valid points but I am tired of this Cleveland Browns fan mentality. By that I mean you want to keep the inferior Bernie Kosar because he is a local boy and scream for the coaches head. It is about time you realized the Montgomery knows what he is doing. Our offensive design is great and definitely can work. Now if you do not like it, then that is another thing all together. I do not really like it either, but it does give us the best  chance to win and we really can light up the field. You saw under coach H what a pro-set can do in this conference ...nothing. And his defenses were as good, if not better, than what we have now.

Fever, there were very few designed QB run plays yesterday, most every play we have has the QB keeper option, but Davis makes the call. This is why we cannot use Wells. Also, Wells is a team player, he is not going to say anything about leaving ... like him as your starter or not, you have to respect the guy. Also he does have a red-shirt to give. The only personnel problems I saw yesterday were up from on both sides of the ball and our deep coverage. Davis was also a problem, but he has to be given the benefit of the doubt as he is our leader.

As far as wanting your respect Happy.   LOL I am pretty hard-core and I know it, but I do not stand behind losers. For me, I know Monty is a winner. I know we will never in a million years see his talent in any possible replacement. I do not know Bo as of yet. Carl reminds me of Retskis, who learned his craft from Heacock. However, Carl's crew (so far) lacks the fluidity on defense of Retskis/Heacock, Perhaps this is the result of the lines in ability to stop the run and need more backing? IDK. Maybe another recruiting class will solve this?

As far as having to win with defense. We are going to give up 20+ points to every MVFC team. So why does that get a pass because we cannot score 30+? You are just playing favorites. I simply am not buying it

Nation who in the heck gives a crap about Big Ben? I do not think I have ever mentioned his name in connection with coach M. I cannot even tell you if he still plays in the NFL, nor do I care. I do not follow the sport. Rothlesberger could never run this year's YSU offense.

All of you asked for changes on offense and you sure got them. So just get in there and cheer your man Davis on. I will do the same. I hope coach Carm gets his rear chewed and he passes it on to our line.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 02, 2016, 06:26:11 PM
Most everyone make valid points but I am tired of this Cleveland Browns fan mentality. By that I mean you want to keep the inferior Bernie Kosar because he is a local boy and scream for the coaches head. It is about time you realized the Montgomery knows what he is doing. Our offensive design is great and definitely can work. Now if you do not like it, then that is another thing all together. I do not really like it either, but it does give us the best  chance to win and we really can light up the field. You saw under coach H what a pro-set can do in this conference ...nothing. And his defenses were as good, if not better, than what we have now.

Fever, there were very few designed QB run plays yesterday, most every play we have has the QB keeper option, but Davis makes the call. This is why we cannot use Wells. Also, Wells is a team player, he is not going to say anything about leaving ... like him as your starter or not, you have to respect the guy. Also he does have a red-shirt to give. The only personnel problems I saw yesterday were up from on both sides of the ball and our deep coverage. Davis was also a problem, but he has to be given the benefit of the doubt as he is our leader.

As far as wanting your respect Happy.   LOL I am pretty hard-core and I know it, but I do not stand behind losers. For me, I know Monty is a winner. I know we will never in a million years see his talent in any possible replacement. I do not know Bo as of yet. Carl reminds me of Retskis, who learned his craft from Heacock. However, Carl's crew (so far) lacks the fluidity on defense of Retskis/Heacock, Perhaps this is the result of the lines in ability to stop the run and need more backing? IDK. Maybe another recruiting class will solve this?

As far as having to win with defense. We are going to give up 20+ points to every MVFC team. So why does that get a pass because we cannot score 30+? You are just playing favorites. I simply am not buying it

Nation who in the heck gives a crap about Big Ben? I do not think I have ever mentioned his name in connection with coach M. I cannot even tell you if he still plays in the NFL, nor do I care. I do not follow the sport. Rothlesberger could never run this year's YSU offense.

All of you asked for changes on offense and you sure got them. So just get in there and cheer your man Davis on. I will do the same. I hope coach Carm gets his rear chewed and he passes it on to our line.

Hahahahahhahahaha. A 2 time super bowl winning QB and one of the best can't run this offense??????. Dear god.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: peteonastick on October 02, 2016, 07:47:05 PM
Poor offensive showing.  College football is being ruined by TV timeouts, replays and referees huddling every time there is a penalty.  Boring, dead air times during the game make it more like a baseball game than football.  There was just too much wasted time anymore.  Tailgate was outstanding though - Steve Fazzini!!!


GO GUINS
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: IAA Fan on October 02, 2016, 11:44:36 PM
Most everyone make valid points but I am tired of this Cleveland Browns fan mentality. By that I mean you want to keep the inferior Bernie Kosar because he is a local boy and scream for the coaches head. It is about time you realized the Montgomery knows what he is doing. Our offensive design is great and definitely can work. Now if you do not like it, then that is another thing all together. I do not really like it either, but it does give us the best  chance to win and we really can light up the field. You saw under coach H what a pro-set can do in this conference ...nothing. And his defenses were as good, if not better, than what we have now.

Fever, there were very few designed QB run plays yesterday, most every play we have has the QB keeper option, but Davis makes the call. This is why we cannot use Wells. Also, Wells is a team player, he is not going to say anything about leaving ... like him as your starter or not, you have to respect the guy. Also he does have a red-shirt to give. The only personnel problems I saw yesterday were up from on both sides of the ball and our deep coverage. Davis was also a problem, but he has to be given the benefit of the doubt as he is our leader.

As far as wanting your respect Happy.   LOL I am pretty hard-core and I know it, but I do not stand behind losers. For me, I know Monty is a winner. I know we will never in a million years see his talent in any possible replacement. I do not know Bo as of yet. Carl reminds me of Retskis, who learned his craft from Heacock. However, Carl's crew (so far) lacks the fluidity on defense of Retskis/Heacock, Perhaps this is the result of the lines in ability to stop the run and need more backing? IDK. Maybe another recruiting class will solve this?

As far as having to win with defense. We are going to give up 20+ points to every MVFC team. So why does that get a pass because we cannot score 30+? You are just playing favorites. I simply am not buying it

Nation who in the heck gives a crap about Big Ben? I do not think I have ever mentioned his name in connection with coach M. I cannot even tell you if he still plays in the NFL, nor do I care. I do not follow the sport. Rothlesberger could never run this year's YSU offense.

All of you asked for changes on offense and you sure got them. So just get in there and cheer your man Davis on. I will do the same. I hope coach Carm gets his rear chewed and he passes it on to our line.

Hahahahahhahahaha. A 2 time super bowl winning QB and one of the best can't run this offense??????. Dear god.

Completely missed that point didn't you Chief? Pretend his career ended at Oxford ...I did. Different style of offense, Ben is more of a Kurt Hess than a Ricky Davis. Again he could NEVER run this offense.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: HappyPenguin on October 03, 2016, 08:44:27 AM
Poor offensive showing.  College football is being ruined by TV timeouts, replays and referees huddling every time there is a penalty.  Boring, dead air times during the game make it more like a baseball game than football.  There was just too much wasted time anymore.  Tailgate was outstanding though - Steve Fazzini!!!


GO GUINS

How could I forget the ref huddles and media timeouts? Great points that was terrible.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: ysubigred on October 03, 2016, 08:47:12 AM
Poor offensive showing.  College football is being ruined by TV timeouts, replays and referees huddling every time there is a penalty.  Boring, dead air times during the game make it more like a baseball game than football.  There was just too much wasted time anymore.  Tailgate was outstanding though - Steve Fazzini!!!


GO GUINS

How could I forget the ref huddles and media timeouts? Great points that was terrible.

Starting to get hard to watch. ESPN3 is great for us out of towners but it has every game now lasting 31/2 to 4 hours.
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: FOOTBALLFEVER on October 03, 2016, 12:32:56 PM
Thanks for that insight 1AA. I agree with you, Ricky gives the team the best chance to run this offense and win with it. The only question I have for you where there multiple reasons for the change?
Title: Re: Guins vs. Coyotes
Post by: guinpen on October 03, 2016, 07:59:07 PM
College football is being ruined by TV timeouts, replays and referees huddling every time there is a penalty.  Boring, dead air times during the game make it more like a baseball game than football.  There was just too much wasted time anymore. 

I agree