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The Pittsburgh Post Gazette and online sources are hinting that Redshirt Freshman QB Thomas MacVittie might be considering a transfer. He was a highly decorated recruit out of Cincinnati Moeller HS and was offered by LSU. I suspect that he would not want to transfer to FBS and sit out another year. He is 6'5" and a pro style QB... I know Bo likes running QB's but, our best success has been with Hunter. It would be nice to find a way to see if he would have an interest.
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He played only one year of QB, his senior year in high school so he's raw. I'll take him or any other QB over the ones we have on this roster.
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He played only one year of QB, his senior year in high school so he's raw. I'll take him or any other QB over the ones we have on this roster.
"I'll take him or any other QB over the ones we have on this roster." Ditto, HOWEVER, Jaylon Cunningham isn't yet on our roster.
The freshman QB Pickett who beat Miami looks to have the job there locked up for another 3 years, so understandable why the kid wants out.
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If we have to rely on a true freshman at QB, it's gonna be another long year without playoffs.
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Has anyone heard that Joe Burrow from OSU is considering transferring YSU? I was told by someone close to his family that it is a real possibility. Seems like a perfect fit for us. He throws it quite well, but really runs it better than he throws it.
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Has anyone heard that Joe Burrow from OSU is considering transferring YSU? I was told by someone close to his family that it is a real possibility. Seems like a perfect fit for us. He throws it quite well, but really runs it better than he throws it.
I've heard rumors about him transferring.
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I think it all depends on whether or not he graduates. He is a smart kid and in school for an education over ball. I heard he is very close to graduating on time (by then of summer). So if I read the rules correctly... if he waits then he would have to transfer with 1 year of eligibility. If he does not graduate & is willing to take his degree from another school ...he can transfer with 2-years of eligibility.
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If we have to rely on a true freshman at QB, it's gonna be another long year without playoffs.
You think they said that when Pickett took over in Pitt? (right before he whipped up on #2 undefeated Miami?!?!) This kid looking to get out of Pitt was highly recruited, but was redshirted a year, then was #4 on the depth chart this year. That isn't a good sign because Pitt started the season with a guy that wasn't nearly as good as Hunter. Wells was good enough to lead us to the playoffs as a freshman if we could play even a little defense under Wolford. Mays, a redshirt freshman, a redshirt soph transfer from Pitt or a true freshman from University School. I'll let the coaches decide in the fall, but I think I'd be OK with Cunningham. Might as well have a Fr QB handing to a Fr RB.
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Let's be realistic. This is May's team to lose, he MORE than earned it. In our program this new kid is not going to be that mobile, he needs to respect his protection, as Mays did for much of the season then the line let him down and he became used to running ...payed the price.
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Mays is a backup. Benefited from injuries above him and can't stay healthy himself. The truth hurts sometimes.
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Let's be realistic. This is May's team to lose, he MORE than earned it. In our program this new kid is not going to be that mobile, he needs to respect his protection, as Mays did for much of the season then the line let him down and he became used to running ...payed the price.
How did he "earn it"? Didn't we lose almost every game he started? He "earned" the right to compete for playing time in 2018, and that is ALL ANYBODY underclassman EARNED this season. That is the way it should ALWAYS BE.
What makes you say Cunningham isn't mobile? He doesn't run first, but he is mobile enough. In the same vein, the biggest mistake we all make in assessing Mays is to overrate his running ability. He is a willing runner, he is a tough runner (not always to his or our benefit) but he ISN'T a great runner. My guess is he is faster than Hunter and that is all, among skill position players.
Mays didn't START running when the line let him down, he ran the ball the very first time he ever took a snap at YSU! The kid looks at his primary receiver, if he is immediately open, he chucks it. If not he tucks and runs. good high school strategy, but it simply won't get it done in the MVFC. Kid is a nice backup at best.
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Mays is a backup. Benefited from injuries above him and can't stay healthy himself. The truth hurts sometimes.
Yes it does. You are the prime example of that. You can keep hating people like Mays, Wells, Slocum, Montgomery, Strollo, etc. but absolutely never accept the fact that they do their jobs ... and do them quite well. You cried for a mobile QB (12 over 6), see that they all get hurt, then say that they cannot stay healthy. You are smart enough to know that everyone makes mistakes and that we are not a big-time DI program; yet you cannot seem to accept that. You want to be a big-time program, yet continually express hatred for the man that is guiding YSU there and that is NOT Jim Tressel. You, as with so many people in Youngstown, somehow seem to think that Jim Tressel does everything in the athletic department as some sort of de facto AD that only deals with items/decisions that you like or feel have been successful.
At this point there is no question Mays is the starter. Absolutely he can be pushed to back-up status if the right individual comes along and I fully expect coach Montgomery to make that decision. Every QB in the nation is reduced to back-up at some point. A star QB at YSU is most-likely a back-up at any major DI program. Look how bad the NFL has become almost exclusively because they are tying to compete with college QB's that really should be back-ups.
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Well Slocum couldn't do his job. Montgomery has yet to develop a QB and win a championship with his "complicated" offense that gets shut down by any decent defense in our league. Strollo has done what any competent AD can do in regards to facilities, although a lot of that does have to do with Tressel being here and getting the fundraising done. But keep slurping the kool-aid. To each his own.
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1AA are you related to Strollo? Childhood friend? You own him a lot of money? What is it?
He has been in the athletic department for 22 years and the head for 17. JT has been back just for 3
While it's true that in those 22 years, YSU has garnered 36 Horizon League championships, it is also true that the majority of those were won SINCE JIM TRESSEL returned! Your boy Strollo will always be remembered as the guy that sent OUR National Championship Game tickets TO THE OPPONENT. While I don't think he is a bum, he is absolutely no better than mediocre among 1AA schools.
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go guins you nailed it, average, mediocre, both work when it comes to Strollo. He also has allowed Rick Love to lead a pathetic marketing department for more than a decade. What creative do we do on game day? Love is overpaid, underachiever, Strollo allows this to happen.
Had Pelini not fallen into his lap, Strollo was determined to hire the head coach at E Ky, who got fired the next year there!
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go guins you nailed it, average, mediocre, both work when it comes to Strollo. He also has allowed Rick Love to lead a pathetic marketing department for more than a decade. What creative do we do on game day? Love is overpaid, underachiever, Strollo allows this to happen.
Had Pelini not fallen into his lap, Strollo was determined to hire the head coach at E Ky, who got fired the next year there!
The sports marketing department must be the best rested department in the country. I haven't seen them do/try anything new. I'm seen more positive action from Calhoun in a couple months than the entire SMD in a decade. Frankly, it might have been better if Jarrod would have allowed his team to develop a bit before going all out. Sometimes people tend to say "been there, done that" and not come back when we do get competitive. But you can't blame somebody for trying, especially when Strollo and Love do so little to market the programs.
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Posted in another thread. They are recruiting jucos hard for QB’s. They are not satisfied with going in next year with Mays. They are high on one of the kids we red shirted.
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Craycraft. Won't know more about him until spring ball. Hopefully he put some weight on.
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This team needs May, Collins and Craycraft to work & stay away from JUCOs; otherwise we will have another year of inocnsistencies up front. This is my opinion, unless we have lost one of those 3. I am worried about May's injury & no mentioning of it by any coach, or questioning by the media.
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This team needs May, Collins and Craycraft to work & stay away from JUCOs; otherwise we will have another year of inocnsistencies up front. This is my opinion, unless we have lost one of those 3. I am worried about May's injury & no mentioning of it by any coach, or questioning by the media.
Doesn't matter about Mays injury, he can't play when healthy. Answer at QB is Cunningham. We desperately need JUCO transfers at OT. If we don't get a couple tackles here, it doesn't matter if we have DeShaun Watson at QB, he is going to be laying on his butt most of the time! We have -0- at OT.
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Like I said before, if Cunningham starts at QB next year, MVFC defenses will eat him alive. Herr is going to be the next LT. Rotheram or Wilson at RT.
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go guins you nailed it, average, mediocre, both work when it comes to Strollo. He also has allowed Rick Love to lead a pathetic marketing department for more than a decade. What creative do we do on game day? Love is overpaid, underachiever, Strollo allows this to happen.
Had Pelini not fallen into his lap, Strollo was determined to hire the head coach at E Ky, who got fired the next year there!
First of all, Strollo would never have the "actual" authority to drop Love, that is a decision that would go up to JT. As mentioned many times over, there is much in the way of a "good old boy" network still at YSU. So instead of attacking Strollo, why not attack JT? Tress hired him back in 1995 or 96 & still keeps him. So place blame where it belongs
Secondly, we are far from unanimous that Pelini was even a good hire & we know nothing about what could have been in place of the hiring of coach Bo ...so why comment as if you know something that you clearly could not have known unless you have sort of simulation-clarivoiannt powers that you are not telling us about. As to an opinion on Hood; everyone has one and for all we know they were talking to him about being a DC. None-the-less he would have been a person worth a try as HC ... good wining record, especially in conference, where we have always been the weakest. As far as I can see, in the period he was HC (2008 thru 2015) he had the best OVC winning percentage. Very skilled coach with a defensive style that would be very complimentary to Montgomery's offense, great connections & very close to many in Youngstown, especially the Stoops family. Would any of this make him a good coach? We have no idea. None the less, stop assuming Hood would have been a bad hire, when clearly he had a far better resume than coach Wolf & would be a nice addition to the recruiting staff in the southeast and lower Midwest parts of the country, as he spent almost 10-years as the DC at Wake Forest.
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go guins you nailed it, average, mediocre, both work when it comes to Strollo. He also has allowed Rick Love to lead a pathetic marketing department for more than a decade. What creative do we do on game day? Love is overpaid, underachiever, Strollo allows this to happen.
Had Pelini not fallen into his lap, Strollo was determined to hire the head coach at E Ky, who got fired the next year there!
First of all, Strollo would never have the "actual" authority to drop Love, that is a decision that would go up to JT. As mentioned many times over, there is much in the way of a "good old boy" network still at YSU. So instead of attacking Strollo, why not attack JT? Tress hired him back in 1995 or 96 & still keeps him. So place blame where it belongs
Secondly, we are far from unanimous that Pelini was even a good hire & we know nothing about what could have been in place of the hiring of coach Bo ...so why comment as if you know something that you clearly could not have known unless you have sort of simulation-clarivoiannt powers that you are not telling us about. As to an opinion on Hood; everyone has one and for all we know they were talking to him about being a DC. None-the-less he would have been a person worth a try as HC ... good wining record, especially in conference, where we have always been the weakest. As far as I can see, in the period he was HC (2008 thru 2015) he had the best OVC winning percentage. Very skilled coach with a defensive style that would be very complimentary to Montgomery's offense, great connections & very close to many in Youngstown, especially the Stoops family. Would any of this make him a good coach? We have no idea. No the less, stop summing this would have been a bad hire, when clearly he had a far better resume than coach Wolf & would be a nice addition to the recruiting staff in the southeast and lower Midwest parts of the country.
You have great prospective on the sports history at YSU and I find conversations with you usually enjoyable, but when it comes to Strollo and his legacy of losing. Tressel hired Strollo as Athletic Business Manager. I assume he was good at that level. He did NOT promote him to AD, Sweet did. Everything good in athletics is all Strollo, anything bad, like Love is JT's even if Strollo hired him? I agree Bo isn't the perfect coach but he beats the sh** out of that idiot Wolford that Strollo has on his resume. You are blind when it comes to Strollo and I'm out.
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Trust in Bo.
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I said that Tress hired Love. Tress wanted Strollo as his successor at AD and Sweet agreed ... as did anyone in the know at the time. Tressel knew that he (and Malmisar) did nothing but push football (and rightly so as it was the heart of our revenue stream) & there were so many things lurking "on the horizon" that needed to be taken care of ... and Strollo has done just that. Did football suffer? in many ways yes it did; but without all the new women's sports program we would not have a football team right now. Then to have a new MBB rebuild forced on him about 3-5 years too soon does not help.
I have no great love for Strollo, but to say he has a record of losing is not true. He is the AD, not the HC of every athletic team at YSU. Go ahead an say that you do not like the guy; but as with Monty, you have no performance reasons to do so. Both are exceptionally good at what they do. The AD has 3 duties in administering sports at any university:
1) Offer a quality product.
2) Offering a popular product
3) at a good price
Do any of you have any idea what is involved here? A winning team is not the only thing required to be a quality product. If YSU football was free, would the increase in attendance be worth it? NO. We would be non-scholarship and the quality would suffer greatly If we charge $48 per ticket for a football game would people go? I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT. Do you realize that every dollar that comes into the university (even through sports revenue) is scrutinized and claimed? A popular product is not simply event attendance. It is having monies put into this event that will mean a possible reduction of monies for non-athletic purposes. Most university admin think nothing of sports and see them as nothing short of a necessary evil. They vote against every dime that the AD asks for.
Don't you think it is funny that some people say that Bo "fell into Strollo's lap", while in other posts give all the credit to JT? Makes no sense to me. Bo fell into the university's lap. Bo's agent called Tressel looking for work & JT (saying nothing) referred him to Strollo. It was a stand-up and professional thing for JT to do and Strollo simply did his job from there. There is really nothing else to it. It is the same thing with every other sport; when a coach is needed, the best candidate for the dollars is hired. As fans, we may wish to spend what ever it takes to get the top coach in the US, but that is simply not possible.
Only Bo's circumstances made him take a sub-$300k position and most of us can only guess as to what those circumstances are. It may interest many of you to know that Tressel became AD with the addition of a small stipend of less than $20k added to his annual salary. At the time he did not even make $100k as head-coach at YSU ...while other universities (at our level) where paying 50% to 100% more. It may further interest many of you to know that Narduzzi was rejected and ridiculed when he asked for a stadium. No one on the athletic board or academic council felt that a football team at YSU could generate enough revenue to afford more than the rent Falcon Stadium.
The moral of this story is to stop thinking that Strollo & Tressel do not know certain things and and are not doing the best that they can. Instead, as fans, we need to realize that they have to do best that they can given the resources available to them.
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Excellent historical reply 1 AA. As I remember the events from the hiring of Strollo you have hit it correctly. The many Strollo bashers really do not have a clue as to how an athletic department on our budget works. I applaud you to keep on. In talking to Strollo, he does not view this site. In visiting the site daily, I am so saddened at the criticism of our school and our athletic department. I am sometimes/many times amused at their lack of pride and enthusiasm for YSU athletics. If you visit "other board sites" the criticism is not there and the emphasis is on talking about present and future events. I wish we did more of that especially on recruiting, facilities, and scheduling. Many of my friends have quit looking at our site or even posting. However, I will continue to view till the nay people eventually go over the top in their criticism...........and the sadness is to much for me to deal with. Keep up the good work 1AA.
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He makes it official... Let's see what happens.
http://triblive.com/sports/-topstories/13064665-74/third-string-pitt-qb-thomas-macvittie-to-transfer
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He makes it official... Let's see what happens.
http://triblive.com/sports/-topstories/13064665-74/third-string-pitt-qb-thomas-macvittie-to-transfer
Although Chief says: "I'll take him or any other QB over the ones we have on this roster." I'm not so quick on the trigger. This kid was #4 at Pitt and Hunter Wells was clearly better than Browne, the #1 when we played them. Therefore, it is reasonable to say he is 5 steps below Hunter Wells. At this point, i have Mays 4 steps down, and we'll have to wait to see where Craycraft and Cunningham are. Certainly this kid is NOTHING near to his recruiting reputation. Certainly the season will turn on what should be a solid D, the transfer OTs, and the TB Chapman. If it comes down to passing, we'll need more Valpo's and Butler's on the schedule!
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He makes it official... Let's see what happens.
http://triblive.com/sports/-topstories/13064665-74/third-string-pitt-qb-thomas-macvittie-to-transfer
Although Chief says: "I'll take him or any other QB over the ones we have on this roster." I'm not so quick on the trigger. This kid was #4 at Pitt and Hunter Wells was clearly better than Browne, the #1 when we played them. Therefore, it is reasonable to say he is 5 steps below Hunter Wells. At this point, i have Mays 4 steps down, and we'll have to wait to see where Craycraft and Cunningham are. Certainly this kid is NOTHING near to his recruiting reputation. Certainly the season will turn on what should be a solid D, the transfer OTs, and the TB Chapman. If it comes down to passing, we'll need more Valpo's and Butler's on the schedule!
What transfer OT’s
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He makes it official... Let's see what happens.
http://triblive.com/sports/-topstories/13064665-74/third-string-pitt-qb-thomas-macvittie-to-transfer
Although Chief says: "I'll take him or any other QB over the ones we have on this roster." I'm not so quick on the trigger. This kid was #4 at Pitt and Hunter Wells was clearly better than Browne, the #1 when we played them. Therefore, it is reasonable to say he is 5 steps below Hunter Wells. At this point, i have Mays 4 steps down, and we'll have to wait to see where Craycraft and Cunningham are. Certainly this kid is NOTHING near to his recruiting reputation. Certainly the season will turn on what should be a solid D, the transfer OTs, and the TB Chapman. If it comes down to passing, we'll need more Valpo's and Butler's on the schedule!
What transfer OT’s
According to chief, we have 1 so far:
"Another commit.
OL Devon Robinson from Monroe College. 6-6, 280 pounds. Had offers from Temple, Miami, Rutgers, Illinois coming out of high school in NJ."
We need more, but this is a start. What we have coming back just isn't much.
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That preferred walk-on Tyler Zelinski, is a very good grab from the JUCO ranks for Pitt.
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I would say there is interest on our part from what I'm hearing.
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Pitt's other backup QB Ben DiNucci also just announced he is transferring out of Pitt in January. Another possibility.
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Pitt's other backup QB Ben DiNucci also just announced he is transferring out of Pitt in January. Another possibility.
You think we should have interest in guys 3 and 4 levels below Hunter Wells? I don't.
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Pitt's other backup QB Ben DiNucci also just announced he is transferring out of Pitt in January. Another possibility.
That would peek my interest. Drop-back kid with nice arm. However, this just goes to show how much potential Zelinsky has.
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3 or 4 levels below Hunter Wells... hahaha... that's funny. Hunter is pretty good for sure but, c'mon. Ever see Ben DeNucci play? I bet not! Besides, he being rumored to be transferring to James Madison. Clearly they have no idea what they are doing. Hahaha. Please try to land one of these two guys! Especially DeNucci!
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Pitt's other backup QB Ben DiNucci also just announced he is transferring out of Pitt in January. Another possibility.
You think we should have interest in guys 3 and 4 levels below Hunter Wells? I don't.
Hahaha wow. If you think Wells was a great QB, that just goes to show how bad the rest of our QB's are on this roster.
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Pitt's other backup QB Ben DiNucci also just announced he is transferring out of Pitt in January. Another possibility.
You think we should have interest in guys 3 and 4 levels below Hunter Wells? I don't.
Hahaha wow. If you think Wells was a great QB, that just goes to show how bad the rest of our QB's are on this roster.
Wells is the best of the bunch.
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Pitt's other backup QB Ben DiNucci also just announced he is transferring out of Pitt in January. Another possibility.
You think we should have interest in guys 3 and 4 levels below Hunter Wells? I don't.
Hahaha wow. If you think Wells was a great QB, that just goes to show how bad the rest of our QB's are on this roster.
Wells is the best of the bunch.
Yeah and that's not saying much. Some on this board made him out to be Joe Flacco.
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Pitt's other backup QB Ben DiNucci also just announced he is transferring out of Pitt in January. Another possibility.
You think we should have interest in guys 3 and 4 levels below Hunter Wells? I don't.
Hahaha wow. If you think Wells was a great QB, that just goes to show how bad the rest of our QB's are on this roster.
You guys pass reading, or reading comprehension in school? I didn't say Hunter was great, I said he was better than Browne at Pitt. I stand by that. The guy in question was #4 behind Browne, therefore 5 steps below Wells. Argue with me that Hunter was even with Browne, then that makes QB transfer prospect "only" 4 steps below Wells. I do agree with the current status of our QB position being very questionable, that's why I have been saying "Cunningham" for a month.
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Hunter was hands down better than Brown. That is a no-brainer.
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Hunter was hands down better than Brown. That is a no-brainer.
That's my point, and the guy in question was 4th string behind Browne. Could be just Pitt coaching staff that bad, but they have had some very credible wins in the last couple years.
I also understand wanting playing time and the freshman at Pitt seems to have locked up the job for the next 3 years, so a couple of these guys COULD help a JMU or YSU. However, overall, it you look at transfers over time, we consistently get all excited we we get 1A transfers, and almost all fail to pan out. The OL JUCO transfer Mady was the best I recall. Others?
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Hunter was hands down better than Brown. That is a no-brainer.
That's my point, and the guy in question was 4th string behind Browne. Could be just Pitt coaching staff that bad, but they have had some very credible wins in the last couple years.
I also understand wanting playing time and the freshman at Pitt seems to have locked up the job for the next 3 years, so a couple of these guys COULD help a JMU or YSU. However, overall, it you look at transfers over time, we consistently get all excited we we get 1A transfers, and almost all fail to pan out. The OL JUCO transfer Mady was the best I recall. Others?
Well just in the last 3 years It's been Powell, Wright, Fraser, Moss, Alexander, Vitas, Bailey, Patterson, Reed. Arguably our best players and all starters on the team in those years. You get excited for a reason. Not all pan out, but most do. Especially under Bo.
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Hunter was hands down better than Brown. That is a no-brainer.
That's my point, and the guy in question was 4th string behind Browne. Could be just Pitt coaching staff that bad, but they have had some very credible wins in the last couple years.
I also understand wanting playing time and the freshman at Pitt seems to have locked up the job for the next 3 years, so a couple of these guys COULD help a JMU or YSU. However, overall, it you look at transfers over time, we consistently get all excited we we get 1A transfers, and almost all fail to pan out. The OL JUCO transfer Mady was the best I recall. Others?
Well just in the last 3 years It's been Powell, Wright, Fraser, Moss, Alexander, Vitas, Bailey, Patterson, Reed. Arguably our best players and all starters on the team in those years. You get excited for a reason. Not all pan out, but most do. Especially under Bo.
Good work on a good list, and arguably the best player on the team for next season is Reed. Bo's have in fact done well, but the further he is from Nebraska, I wonder if it continues? Over the past decade there have been plenty of "misses" also.
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Hunter was hands down better than Brown. That is a no-brainer.
That's my point, and the guy in question was 4th string behind Browne. Could be just Pitt coaching staff that bad, but they have had some very credible wins in the last couple years.
I also understand wanting playing time and the freshman at Pitt seems to have locked up the job for the next 3 years, so a couple of these guys COULD help a JMU or YSU. However, overall, it you look at transfers over time, we consistently get all excited we we get 1A transfers, and almost all fail to pan out. The OL JUCO transfer Mady was the best I recall. Others?
Well just in the last 3 years It's been Powell, Wright, Fraser, Moss, Alexander, Vitas, Bailey, Patterson, Reed. Arguably our best players and all starters on the team in those years. You get excited for a reason. Not all pan out, but most do. Especially under Bo.
Thanks for the list Chief. Seems Bo is doing way better than I had thought with the transfers. I'm like a lot of you, I hope for the best but expect many to not pan out. It looks to me like Bo is doing much better than Wolf and his predecessors in that regard.
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Ben DiNucci to James Madison
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Yep, via DiNucci's Twitter account. I called that one a week ago. I wonder where MacVittie will land? By the way IMHO, the Hunter Wells was better than Max Browne in the season opwner game is a tough argument. In that ONE game, absolutely yes. However, let us not forget that Hunter had been with the same offense for three years and on the same team for four years. Max was a graduate transfer on a new team with an entire new offense learning a new system. Pitt had a new OC this year. MacVittie might not be good at all, who knows but, I hope there has at least been communication. Merry Christmas Penguin Fans!
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Well, good for Ben. Now he can go be a faggot with the rest of the steamer throwing faggot fans. They should lead a gay pride parade not be in football. There is a certain toughness about football that doesn't fit with throwing streamers and having a dog with jewelry on it.
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Well, good for Ben. Now he can go be a faggot with the rest of the steamer throwing faggot fans. They should lead a gay pride parade not be in football. There is a certain toughness about football that doesn't fit with throwing streamers and having a dog with jewelry on it.
C'mon man, tell us how you really feel!
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Well, good for Ben. Now he can go be a faggot with the rest of the steamer throwing faggot fans. They should lead a gay pride parade not be in football. There is a certain toughness about football that doesn't fit with throwing streamers and having a dog with jewelry on it.
Well they beat our as* last year so...
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Well, good for Ben. Now he can go be a faggot with the rest of the steamer throwing faggot fans. They should lead a gay pride parade not be in football. There is a certain toughness about football that doesn't fit with throwing streamers and having a dog with jewelry on it.
Come on man, that kind of language isn’t appropriate for a sports forum. No reason to disparage LGBT community because a kid picked a different school.