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Tho I have found it rather odd that not one comment has been made on this site about the OSU Jim Tressel BIG news today with Bob Hannons letter to the editor in the Vindicator, I surely thought the site would be humming.
Is everyone (like me) in the state of shock? Or is it the consideration that "silence is golden"?
Guess I keep looking for someone to say "it can't be".
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Oh, It be.
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Great letter to the editor by Hannon. Let's all hope the best for Tressel.
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Pita,
Please understand that some of us just do not care about Ohio State, and the troubles that Tressel is enduring have no interest for us. I certainly appreciate what the man did for us for fifteen years, but it should be obvious that Tressel will not survive this. He was doomed from the moment that he notified the quarterback's "handler" about the allegations instead of his AD or president.
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Pita,
Please understand that some of us just do not care about Ohio State, and the troubles that Tressel is enduring have no interest for us. I certainly appreciate what the man did for us for fifteen years, but it should be obvious that Tressel will not survive this. He was doomed from the moment that he notified the quarterback's "handler" about the allegations instead of his AD or president.
Really...i guess you have a problem with the new indoor complex that he gave what a couple a million...we will have him take it back...and you can pick up the slack!!!! oh you can't!!! JT will always be a part of our football legacy and unfortnately some of the haters can't understand that!!!
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Pita,
Please understand that some of us just do not care about Ohio State, and the troubles that Tressel is enduring have no interest for us. I certainly appreciate what the man did for us for fifteen years, but it should be obvious that Tressel will not survive this. He was doomed from the moment that he notified the quarterback's "handler" about the allegations instead of his AD or president.
Incredibly well said by Wick.
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Pita,
Please understand that some of us just do not care about Ohio State, and the troubles that Tressel is enduring have no interest for us. I certainly appreciate what the man did for us for fifteen years, but it should be obvious that Tressel will not survive this. He was doomed from the moment that he notified the quarterback's "handler" about the allegations instead of his AD or president.
Really...i guess you have a problem with the new indoor complex that he gave what a couple a million...we will have him take it back...and you can pick up the slack!!!! oh you can't!!! JT will always be a part of our football legacy and unfortnately some of the haters can't understand that!!!
Wick never said Tressel isn't part of our legacy....he certainly is....but many of us just don't care what's going on at O$U.......Tress won't miss the money.....he and his wife are loaded......what is your infatuation with the dots after each statement?.....I think we used to do this in 3rd grade..........
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Pita,
Please understand that some of us just do not care about Ohio State, and the troubles that Tressel is enduring have no interest for us. I certainly appreciate what the man did for us for fifteen years, but it should be obvious that Tressel will not survive this. He was doomed from the moment that he notified the quarterback's "handler" about the allegations instead of his AD or president.
Really...i guess you have a problem with the new indoor complex that he gave what a couple a million...we will have him take it back...and you can pick up the slack!!!! oh you can't!!! JT will always be a part of our football legacy and unfortnately some of the haters can't understand that!!!
Wick is correct, some people,(more then I would have thought) just do not care about JT anymore. Note that Wick did not say that he hates JT. Heck I do not hate JT, just do not care about him or osu. He was here he did well he moved on, so be it.
About the indoor complex, last I heard he did not donate a couple of million, thought that he was in for 500,000 and his inlaws for another 500,000. For sure that was very nice of him and certainly most of us could not afford to do the same so what's the point?
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As a Michigan fan, I'm really enjoying it all. Yea, Tressel has Michigan's number, but he finally has what's coming to him. He will not survive this and the NCAA will eventually bring down the hammer on him and the O$U program. He brought sanctions to YSU and was lucky to survive the Clarett fiasco. Teflon had several opportunities to come clean, but decided to cover it up and take his chances. His once squeaky clean image is forever tarnished. Liar, Liar, Vest on fire
Does anyone have a link to the Hannon article?
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Tressel will more than survive this. In fact, if he did not agree to 5-games in advance, he would have had less. That being said. I still do not care. I drive past "the shoe' on my way to "the ice castle". Aside from spring games, I have only been to two OSU football games ...the one against the guins. As far as Hannon's letter ...is he that much of a coward? Why doesn't he just put it on his employer's web site ...not too many programs contribute more than OSU to the United Way. People here in Columbus know what is going on. If punishment is a year or more, they replace him. However, I think many of those people do not realize that the university cannot make him AD. That is the one thing this issue did do. I guess they could, but it would be very difficult to defend the choice.
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IP...just like the way the dots look...But thanks for the kind response...i think we all know that you think your...doesnt stink....but maybe in time you will mellow out...but i doubt it...
As for JT..yes he is gone and really I dont care...but the guy put Youngstown State on the map and that will never change...I am glad we had him and enjoyed some great football.
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Tress was always good with me. I coached his daughter for two years high school, so he had to me nice to me 8)
Like the guy.
My son L-O-V-E-S him so that shapes my opinion also.
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Tho some of us do not care (as a poster said) and some of us care that posters use
.......between words.......I find it sort of apalling that people who care so deeply about
YSU, could care less of what is going on with Tressel. Sorry, not for my concern that
it is Ohio State (could not care LESS)..........(Sorry IP)...all I know is Jim Tressel was
and always will be someone who brought pride to YSU, can't help what has transpired
since he went to Columbus. No matter what decisions are made for him down the road,
I'll still be grateful for the years of respect he brought to YSU.
We, those of us who post here, have not written the final chapters of our lives. Be very
careful........sometimes when you spit up in the air, it comes back to smack you in the face.
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Pita--don't know what you want us to do. Telling you we're proud of what he accomplished here. That isn't debatable. But he's in trouble at O$U because he lied and tried to cover something up. He brought it on himself--can't pretend like it didn't happen.
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:-\ I 'm feeling sorry for Mr. Tressel. To compete at the highest level of Division 1 football both FCS and FBS you're forced to play dirty politics and turn a blind eye to the NCAA and its rules to be in the top tier. Tress got caught, lied end of story. He'll pay. Who know how bad it will be but I'm sure it may be as bad as costing him his job as the HC at The Ohio State. :o I'm hoping for the best for Tress and his family. Bottom line: The new way of doing business and NCAA football needs to be addressed.
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Perhaps Tressel told the AD what was going on, but the AD is trying to keep the investigation at the FB level. What is really strange here is that the President of the university made a comment that he hopes Tress doesn't fire him......mmmmm.........something smells a little fishy. If the AD gets dragged into this, then the door gets opened for an investigation on the entire athletic department.
Something in the story doesn't make sense to me........especially the way that the situation was initially handled by the athletic department.
ESPN hates Ohio State and most of the Big 10. They promote the SEC because they have the TV contract with them. This makes them hate the buckeyes even more (large following on their own network). Everyone else is doing their own network thing.......and if they aren't yet it is in the plans.....so its ESPN against anyone that doesn't sign a TV contract with them. I sent Mark Schlabaugh an email because he was making fun of the student athletes at Ohio State(totally unprofessional bashing of the kids). I asked him why does ESPN hate OSU so much, and he responded that no one likes the Ohio State and that since they are the big boys of the Big 10 they need to deal with it. What do you mean no one likes OSU? You mean ESPN managment doesn't like OSU and you bash them to get your pitiful raise. What about Scam Newton? There was actually bribery involved there....but again.........SEC =no story. In the SEC if you aint cheatin, you aint tryin. Can you imagine the Press OSU would have gotten if they would have lost to Utah in a bowl game? Alabama did the year before last with Saben at the helm, but no big deal. Truely not fair what they are doing to Tressel when you look at the situation. All ESPN does is sensationalize bullsh**.
Where there is money there is corruption. When you conceptually think about what happened it is really stupid. Don't let ESPN make you think that he did a "Terrible" thing. Tressel got a call from a guy that informed him that he had some kids that were hanging around shady people so he called one of the kids mentors in an attempt to give the kid a chance to size up his situation.. He didn't notify the NCAA until after a federal investigation caught the main guy and detained him. Then he came clean with the info when the guy couldn't retaliate. What a terrible, terrible crime. What a F-ing joke ESPN and the NCAA are.. i will tell you that I would not have informed the NCAA when I think about the situation had my kid been involved. The less people that know, the better the chances that the criminal doesn't catch wind, or better yet the ESPN spin machine............at least until the criminal is captured.
Connect the dots damnit!
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Good synopsis power. I might add that the administration was informed by the time of the investigation. As to OSU & ESPN ...ESPN attacked coach T (low brow attack toward religion and ethics), this was followed up with ESPN Game Day being told to cover Boise State on rivalry day (it may have been Oregon vs. OSU they covered instead), when they had plans to cover OSU vs. Mich.
THAT WAS IT. OSU challenged and ESPN saw that they were not the ultimate power, and will do anything they can to prove that they are. We all know their money talks. Honestly, ESPN has backed off quite a bit in recent years, in terms of the broadcast negativity ...probably because they want to keep their most popular college ball commentator ...a Buckeye himself. However, their useless columnists are still the "minions of doom". I will also admit, that although it was not much in terms of quantity, ESPN did give YSU some solid coverage in the past.
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Gene Smith is the "snake" in all of this!!
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Special thanks go to penguinpower and the true voice of reason, 1AA fan, for exposing the real culprit in this mess--- ESPN.
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Sadly, the 5 culprits (athletes} that sold and traded {their stuff} will ruin JT's legacy, regardless if he stays or goes. Yes JT made a poor judgement call to protect his family "(football team}, which any good parent would do. The players arent saints, JT isnt a Saint , and the more how i see the NCAA operates they arent Saints, as well as the corrupt BCS. I do agree with Penguinpower, ESPN is biased and have no creditabilty when it comes to college football. They are the voice of the SEC. The Auburn mess should prove it. Why no deluge of ESPN reporters on the Auburn campus when Cam Newton was exposed as the fraud that he is? But when the Clarett thing went down they looked every nook and crannie to paint a picture that OSU and JT are gangsters, thugs, and snake oil salesman. They never tried to espose the coach at USC after the Bush scandal, gave Bowden a free pass as well. Oregons trouble is hush, hush as well, with the recruiting service scandal. Thats because whose one of the biggest advertisers Nike...Oregons biggest monetary booster connect the dots . The money trail is there. ESPN in my opinion is a joke.
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IP- what is your point? What I'm saying is that there are clear agendas with ESPN. Do you really believe that Tressel commited a crime? ESPN is sensationalizing an event that shouldn't even be news at the expense of a person. Just like the Nazi SS.....propaganda spin machine. The whole topic is a non-news issue. Tell me if you believe that student athletes across all of the universities in America are better than the ones at OSU. You are dealing with a social problem across the US. Tell me that this doesn't occur at other universities. Tressel is a FB coach, not the kids parents. But all college coaches are responsible for the kids they recruit. Why? They are adults aren't they? But he takes care of his family there as well as what he did here. Did he commit a crime? I think not. If your child was involved, would you want ESPN telling everyone the situation while the criminal drug dealer was free to retaliate?
I am calling it as I see it and I have data to back up my response.
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What does ESPN, the SEC, or Cam Newton have to do with Tressel trying to cover-up and lie to the NCAA about the players. Whatever bias ESPN may have against O$U, real or perceived, doesn't alter the facts. He lied to the NCAA. And they don't like that. I am a Tressel fan as well (certainly not as fanatical as some of you), but the facts are the facts.
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Give me a break, ESPN, SEC, Auburn, Alabama, he is a nice guy, he is a good coach, he did not commit a crime, he is not a saint, he made a bad decision, he broke a rule, he lied, he is a big boy, he will pay the price, life will go on.
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The "agenda" is that they enjoy reporting dirt on a coach and program that paints themselves as above all of the crooked nonsense. If he was truly scared for his players' safety he would have hired them security. The only thing he was scared of was losing the Sugar Bowl.
When you act like you are running a clean program and like you are an innocent schoolboy, you better be prepared for the onslaught when something happens, no matter how minor it is. The other programs avoid it because their coahes don't act like they are innocent kids. Everyone knows they are all crooked.
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What does ESPN, the SEC, or Cam Newton have to do with Tressel trying to cover-up and lie to the NCAA about the players. Whatever bias ESPN may have against O$U, real or perceived, doesn't alter the facts. He lied to the NCAA. And they don't like that. I am a Tressel fan as well (certainly not as fanatical as some of you), but the facts are the facts.
I never said that it did not matter, or that coach T did not cover up. The topic rolled toward ESPN, and I told what I thought started it all. Has nothing to do with ghetto kids that should be in some other venue (aside from college) in an attempt to play in the NFL. Neither does it change the fact that ESPN is what ESPN is (ABC, and in control).
This all makes a huge difference IP, and ESPN is a "major" player in the direction this will go. The members of the NCAA do not sit in a closet all day, and come out when called upon to administrate. They sit in that closet and watch ESPN all day, just as politician's pay teams of people to watch the news, read newspapers, and scour the internet for them. Since there is only one real sports channel ...their opinion very much matters ...and they take advantage of it..
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About 20% of the population of the Mahoning Valley still thinks that convicted felon, Jim Traficant, is not a criminal, and that he was "set up" by sinister forces, namely "the government." Now in no way am I suggesting that Jim Tressel has the same moral character as Traficant, but the popular reaction to both men is similar. People have the ability to suspend reality when it conflicts with their belief system.
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:-\ I 'm feeling sorry for Mr. Tressel. To compete at the highest level of Division 1 football both FCS and FBS you're forced to play dirty politics and turn a blind eye to the NCAA and its rules to be in the top tier. Tress got caught, lied end of story. He'll pay. Who know how bad it will be but I'm sure it may be as bad as costing him his job as the HC at The Ohio State. :o I'm hoping for the best for Tress and his family. Bottom line: The new way of doing business and NCAA football needs to be addressed.
Right on Red! Let whatever college coach is without sin cast the first stone.
A monthly stipend for college athletes would be a good first step.
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Sadly, the 5 culprits (athletes} that sold and traded {their stuff} will ruin JT's legacy, regardless if he stays or goes. Yes JT made a poor judgement call to protect his family "(football team}, which any good parent would do. The players arent saints, JT isnt a Saint , and the more how i see the NCAA operates they arent Saints, as well as the corrupt BCS. I do agree with Penguinpower, ESPN is biased and have no creditabilty when it comes to college football. They are the voice of the SEC. The Auburn mess should prove it. Why no deluge of ESPN reporters on the Auburn campus when Cam Newton was exposed as the fraud that he is? But when the Clarett thing went down they looked every nook and crannie to paint a picture that OSU and JT are gangsters, thugs, and snake oil salesman. They never tried to espose the coach at USC after the Bush scandal, gave Bowden a free pass as well. Oregons trouble is hush, hush as well, with the recruiting service scandal. Thats because whose one of the biggest advertisers Nike...Oregons biggest monetary booster connect the dots . The money trail is there. ESPN in my opinion is a joke.
Speaking of "dots", I miss them in your post.
Don't let others on here cramp your style.
I have a fever for more dots.
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Give me a break, ESPN, SEC, Auburn, Alabama, he is a nice guy, he is a good coach, he did not commit a crime, he is not a saint, he made a bad decision, he broke a rule, he lied, he is a big boy, he will pay the price, life will go on.
Now THAT ^^^^^ is bottom-lining it. Good Job.
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About 20% of the population of the Mahoning Valley still thinks that convicted felon, Jim Traficant, is not a criminal, and that he was "set up" by sinister forces, namely "the government." Now in no way am I suggesting that Jim Tressel has the same moral character as Traficant, but the popular reaction to both men is similar. People have the ability to suspend reality when it conflicts with their belief system.
Excellent! And I think you will find it is more like 45%, sad as that is.
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Tressel will more than survive this. In fact, if he did not agree to 5-games in advance, he would have had less. That being said. I still do not care. I drive past "the shoe' on my way to "the ice castle". Aside from spring games, I have only been to two OSU football games ...the one against the guins. As far as Hannon's letter ...is he that much of a coward? Why doesn't he just put it on his employer's web site ...not too many programs contribute more than OSU to the United Way. People here in Columbus know what is going on. If punishment is a year or more, they replace him. However, I think many of those people do not realize that the university cannot make him AD. That is the one thing this issue did do. I guess they could, but it would be very difficult to defend the choice.
Wick and I tried to tell you that Tressel would not survive this. There was no way. It had gotten too deep and this week's SI article is only going to make it worse. And before all of the Tress' minions blame ESPN, remember this--he lied to the NCAA and they were going to make his life he11 for it. Still, we appreciate all he's done for YSU--who knows, maybe if Wolford doesn't work out.........
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Now that it has happened ...one more thing. Hannon now needs to tender his resignation as well. I understand the "intent" of the article; but it is too late for Bob, and his respect to the program here at YSU. Mussolini finally denounced Hitler, and he still got it. This is why your media should stay out of things. I know Hannon is no longer in the news, but he still is the voice of the Penguins, and that requires "blind loyalty".
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"Big Time" college football is populated by agents, mentors, hangers-on, and especially talented but pampered athletes who possess a strong sense of entitlement. Tressel was well aware of this before he took that job. He lied to the NCAA and covered up the transgressions not to enhance his already considerable wealth, but rather to deliver to Ohio State a chance at what it wanted the most: another mythical national title. He got caught and the university, predictably, threw him under the bus. Such is the fate of all "Big Time" coaches.
Selfishly, I hope this affair reduces the "Ohio State disease" that rose to epidemic levels in the Mahoning Valley after Tressel left for Columbus. I know far too many people that abandoned their seats in Stambaugh stadium for a position in front of a television on autumn Saturdays. Perhaps we can now reclaim some of these frontrunners, if Wolford can deliver.
IAA Fan,
Please explain to us how Hannon calling for the resignation of the football coach at OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY now mandates his ouster as the play-by-play man for YOUNGSTOWN STATE UNIVERSITY?
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He is the only coach in NCAA history to win 100+ games at 2 different schools. Pretty amazing. You hate to see it end this way.
I do not dislike OHIO STATE but the media sure does cram OSU down your throat good or bad
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The Ohio State disease" is a normal reaction. There are three ways he could have left YSU:
1. A promotion.
2. A dismissal.
3. A retirement.
He took #1.
As to Hannon. It is as simple as I stated. I expect blind-loyalty from everything associated with YSU ...past and present. Hannon's opinions on OSU are irrelevant to me, as I am a YSU fan. However, well-intentioned or not, he wrote words and that is disloyal to the man that coached my team for 15-years, was my team's AD for 10, dropped .28 mil for the study center, and dropped 1 mil for the building that carries his name. Have you not ever heard the phrase "if you have nothing good to say about someone, then say nothing"? Hannon should have chose the latter. Hannon may not have directly bitten the hand that feeds him, but he did not restrain the dog either.