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I just can't see how Indiana gets in with a loss this Saturday over YSU....
That being said...I don't see how the MVC does not get 4 teams in this year...
It would help if Stoney Brook lost this weekend....and Cal-Poly beats N. Arizona...
As was the case last year...I really believe YSU wins..they are in...
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All too much the fellows in the stands were so worried about the redbirds beating uni last year. First off, I would never root for uni. Secondly, noone was interested in the game being played (and lost) before our very eyes that day. So in closing, I will loudly support our Penguinz this Saturday in hopes of a victory. Likely, I will DVR the announcements and wait to hear our fate before watching it with unbridled enthusiasm.
Z
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Lets hope we are spending Saturday nigh and Sunday morning trying to find a path to the playoffs for YSU. I don't like the math right now, but lets let it play out. As I said on an earlier topic, playoff experience would be big for the coaching staff and the team, even if it is a bad one and out - no one has it right now.
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It all doesn't matter if we don't win. Gotta get the W. Indiana St is a good team. Gotta bring our A game. Hess has to come out firing for us to have a chance
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I just can't see how Indiana gets in with a loss this Saturday over YSU....
That being said...I don't see how the MVC does not get 4 teams in this year...
It would help if Stoney Brook lost this weekend....and Cal-Poly beats N. Arizona...
As was the case last year...I really believe YSU wins..they are in...
If Indiana State wins then the MVC more than likely will get 4 teams in, but if we win I highly doubt either one of us makes it.
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so you are saying the MVC only gets 3 in if YSU wins..?..
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so you are saying the MVC only gets 3 in if YSU wins..?..
I'm not holding my breath but this is about as good of an resume YSU has ever had as a bubble team below;
No sub- DI games.
1 FBS "W"
#11 SOS
All 4 losses to top 25 teams (at the time of the game).
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I will say this. The Cookie Monster needs 79-yards to surpass the 4k mark in his Penguin career. I hope we give him the ball all day to be sure he gets it.
Tameron (aka: Thunder, for those of you old enough) Smith has the record at 4,866 yards.
Cook will be pass Adrian Brown for #2. Although I think he already has.
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so you are saying the MVC only gets 3 in if YSU wins..?..
That would be a safe bet. With Appy State's resurgence, and the love of the I-AA selection Committee + the fact that they need to take 1-extra from the mixed-up Southland + the fact that the CAA will cry foul if they do not get 6-teams, and they always get what ever they want + the fact that the Big Sky is really only too big = only 3 for the better MVFC. A win by ISU will be the only way that I see 4-teams from the MVFC.
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I don't see us getting in. Sure we have as many D1 wins as the teams that played a D2, but we also have 1 more D1 loss.
Count the 8-3 teams and those with better records Sunday morning. That number better be pretty small for us to have a shot.
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Probably not much precedence for a team with a solid win over a BCS school being on the bubble. Might have helped if Pitt had not thrown it away at Notre Dame.
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A Pitt win at ND sure wouldn't have hurt...I agree.
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so you are saying the MVC only gets 3 in if YSU wins..?..
Yes. Indiana State would only have 6 D1 wins. YSU would be 7-4, but at best would finish in a 3 way tie for 5th in the conference. That would make it quite difficult to get in ahead of all the 8-3 teams. Check out the thread "Cook carries Youngstown St. past W. Illinois 31-7".
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so you are saying the MVC only gets 3 in if YSU wins..?..
Yes. Indiana State would only have 6 D1 wins. YSU would be 7-4, but at best would finish in a 3 way tie for 5th in the conference. That would make it quite difficult to get in ahead of all the 8-3 teams. Check out the thread "Cook carries Youngstown St. past W. Illinois 31-7".
Yes. Youre right about 5th in the conference but when your conference is known by many as the "SEC" of the FCS then it should warrant a bit more merit in my opinion. Also if Im not mistaken the four teams we lost to during the horrific slump in October were all in the top 25 the time we played them if Im not mistaken so that as well should help our chances. Im not sure if we'll be able to beat Indiana State but if we do I think we earned a spot into the playoffs based on the strong finish and not to mention a win at Pitt (who played Notre Dame to the brink before falling in OT). Im hoping these kids can get a taste of playoff football myself. Will they? That is yet to be determined. Lets go guins!
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so you are saying the MVC only gets 3 in if YSU wins..?..
Yes. Indiana State would only have 6 D1 wins. YSU would be 7-4, but at best would finish in a 3 way tie for 5th in the conference. That would make it quite difficult to get in ahead of all the 8-3 teams. Check out the thread "Cook carries Youngstown St. past W. Illinois 31-7".
Yes. Youre right about 5th in the conference but when your conference is known by many as the "SEC" of the FCS then it should warrant a bit more merit in my opinion. Also if Im not mistaken the four teams we lost to during the horrific slump in October were all in the top 25 the time we played them if Im not mistaken so that as well should help our chances. Im not sure if we'll be able to beat Indiana State but if we do I think we earned a spot into the playoffs based on the strong finish and not to mention a win at Pitt (who played Notre Dame to the brink before falling in OT). Im hoping these kids can get a taste of playoff football myself. Will they? That is yet to be determined. Lets go guins!
Yeah, at the beginning of the season, that was certainly the case... and most everyone said it... MVFC is the SEC of the FCS world. But then we went through a season similar to last year where everyone in the conference beat each other up. Because of this, I am fully expecting that only 3 teams out of at least 4 or 5 that deserve the playoffs will go from the MVFC.
And therein lies a big problem with FCS... it's very hard to compare the strength of the larger conferences. The reason?... the FBS money games are taking away from cross conference play (good cross conference play like SoCon and CAA) in my opinion. I mean who wants to play Ohio State and then Old Dominion in weeks 1 and 2?! Typically, your FBS game is your big chance to prove something in the early running then everyone retreats for the hills and tries to pad wins on a run of less-than-spectacular teams... that way, later in the season when you have to play YOUR conference's elite, you can afford to lose a game or two.
Example: Take a team like No. 14 James Madison, ranked 3rd in the supposedly "all powerful" CAA... They have three losses... one in a blowout to WVU and the others to Richmond and Villanova. Now, how do I know how good that team is out of conference when their out of conference games are to Alcorn St. and St. Francis (PA) from less than impressive conferences. Then you see a team like YSU (with wins out of conference to FBS Pitt and Once-ranked Albany and losses to 4 ranked in-conference teams) sitting at No. 33. In my mind, there is not enough to go off of to say which of these teams is better than the other. Who's to say that the CAA isn't down as a whole. Who's to say the MVFC isn't just "that good" that a 7-4 team in that conference is better than an 8-3 in another. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that's the case but once again... who's to say.
My opinion is that the CAA will get 4/5 in on past reputation and end up short-changing some teams that are more deserving. Hopefully teams 2-5 in that CAA get handled (last year all but 1 of the 5 CAA "playoff" teams made it out of round 2) and someone finally realizes the only reason they go 8-3, 9-2 is because they stay in the conference and play the equivalent of D2 teams out of it. Man, I would love to see an early season matchup of NDSU and Old Dominion, or SDSU and UNH or even YSU and James Madison... some true marquee games that help us gauge conference strength.
Just a thought... maybe dumb... but just a thought
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Oh and btw... here's the GPI for your viewing pleasure... love who is the No. 6 conference
Rank School (No. of #1 Ratings) (Rating)
1. N Dakota St (9) (1.00)
2. Montana St (2.29)
3. Sam Houston St (3.14)
4. E Washington (5.00)
5. Ga Southern (7.00)
6. Illinois St (8.29)
7. Indiana St (10.14)
8. Cent Arkansas (10.57)
9. S Dakota St (11.43)
10. Cal Poly (11.86)
11. Old Dominion (12.14)
12. Northern Arizona (13.00)
13. Appalachian St (13.14)
14. Wofford (15.00)
15E Kentucky15.14)
16. E Illinois (17.43)
17. S Illinois (18.71)
18. New Hampshire (20.29)
19. Northern Iowa (20.43)
20. Towson (20.57)
21. Youngstown St (21.00)
22. Villanova (21.43)
23. Stony Brook (23.00)
24. Richmond (23.14)
25. TN Martin (25.00)
Conference Ranking:
Rank, League, Total Average
1. Missouri Valley Football Conference (22.56)
2. Big Sky Conference (30.85)
3. Southern Conference (32.27)
4. Southland Conference (36.70)
5. Ohio Valley Conference (38.81)
6. Colonial Athletic Association (39.16)
7. Ivy League (59.18)
8. Patriot League (59.82)
9. Big South Conference (62.30)
10. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (65.69)
11. Northeast Conference (66.86)
12. Southwestern Athletic Conference (76.04)
13. Pioneer Football League (76.27)
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Strange not seeing Montana up there
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And therein lies a big problem with FCS... it's very hard to compare the strength of the larger conferences. The reason?... the FBS money games are taking away from cross conference play (good cross conference play like SoCon and CAA) in my opinion. I mean who wants to play Ohio State and then Old Dominion in weeks 1 and 2?! Typically, your FBS game is your big chance to prove something in the early running then everyone retreats for the hills and tries to pad wins on a run of less-than-spectacular teams... that way, later in the season when you have to play YOUR conference's elite, you can afford to lose a game or two.
I have long been against any "money games". In fact, I feel that scholarship I-AA/FCS schools should only play each other. This goes for ALL levels of NCAA football. The NCAA knows that this is how most programs receive their $$$, so they allow it. We also made good $$$ playing Slippery Rock. We get a home game (with all the tickets, loges, ad, and concession revenues) and only had to pay out about 25% of what we would have to pay out for a I-AA club. Listen to coach Wolf, saying that games against teams like Pitt should count as two. What a bunch of "malarkey" that is. Your reward comes in the form of a check for those games. You certainly should not be rewarded twice. Likewise you should not be saying things like "this win is better than that win".
For decades we played MAC schools ...Kent and Akron in particular. We were a I-AA team playing IA schools on a regular basis. Now everyone here knows that Akron and Kent are backyard trophy rivals for us.
(in case you do not know, the game with Akron is for "the Steel Tire", and the game with Kent is called the Schwebel's Challenge, with the winner being awarded the Schwebel's trophy. You can see the trophies in the athletic office and Mosure hall of gg).
For years we were mocked by other I-AA clubs (an media) for playing such low-end IA schools. Yet almost no one else played these type of clubs. Furthermore they would never play YSU, because we were an independent ...and what idiot AD would schedule a powerful independent, when you have your own conference to worry about. We played these MAC schools simply to get needed D1 games. Furthermore, these naysayers in the media do not realize that these games are a rivalry. In a rivalry game, either team can win. YSU has lost to both Kent and Akron in years where we won the national title.
Yet none of this would even be an issue if we just stuck to our own level. Also there would no money advantage.
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In addition to the money games, the other factor is that the top FCS teams all want to play 6 home games every year. When you put the two together, there is no room for a home and home series. Kudos to E. Illinois who only played 5 home games this year, while scheduling SIU, Illinois St., and Central Arkansas.
I say Penguins 24 - 21 tomorrow. Brown hits a 39 yarder with only seconds left.
Anyone know how many tickets have been sold so far?
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In today's economic world, our athletic department cannot survive without the "money" games. In fact, it may not be long before we play two, especially in 12 game seasons.
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I am all for playing FBS teams. We don’t live in an idealistic world anymore. In this tough economic time, YSU needs the money (with all the cuts in state funding). Furthermore, we offer our players to have the opportunities to experience the atmosphere of playing in the “big time” program in front of over 100,000 people. Many players have personally told me that. This is not any different from other YSU’s academic teams. We regularly put our student academic teams up against top schools in the country and we were never overmatched. The YSU name recognition gained by the exposure in front of national media is immeasurable. Its positive impact cannot be under- estimated. It helps us to recruit both students and players.
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I agree with Double ET, The money games are extremely important to our economics to run the whole athletic department. It is also extremely vital for our recruiting, if we just played FCS teams and the likes of Valpo our recruiting would be sub par and probably put us at the bottom of the MVFC. We would also have a home attendance drop.
In fact; I'm an advocate of scheduling 2 FBS teams every other year, student athletics want to play against well known teams to see if they can compete at that level. If we win, then we get recognized by the media which then improves our status to the many football analysts. This builds the school's reputation.
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First off, YSU needs to win on Saturday, or all the playoff discussion is mute. Given the way this team has performed against the top teams in the MFVC this year, and under Woolford, that will be a HUGE task. And, we all remember what happened last year in the final game of the season, against a much lesser opponent than Indy State.
As for the CAA, it is likely they will get at most 2-3 teams in the playoffs this year. Alot of great points have been made about "money games", and also about teams in the MVFC beating each other up. Such is the nature of being in the top conference in the country. A win for YSU gives the team a slim hope. A win for Indy State is a guarantee for a playoff spot. In most seasons, YSU at 7-4 with a win over PITT would be a sure at large selection. But, unfortunately, this is not most years. With this projected field, EKU(8-3) at #15 in GPI is left out of the playoffs. Stony Brook(9-2 with a win over Army) and #23 in GPI is left out. Nova at 8-3 with a win over Delaware on Saturday and #22 in GPI is left out. Richmond, which will be 8-3 with a win over Willaim & Mary(2-8) and at #24 GPI is left out. YSU is presently #21 in the GPI. Most likely scenario even if YSU wins, would be EKU(#15 in GPI) replacing Indy State, with YSU being one of the last teams left out. Hope I'm wrong..... GO PENGUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry for another post. But, for those not wishing to use the link, here is how College Sporting News projects the field for the playoffs. CSN is NOT the selction committee. These are just projections. But, the GPI is used as part of the selction process, and I thought this would be interesting to show the impact the auto-bid leagues with champions that have low ratings in the GPI have on the playoff field:
http://www.collegesportingnews.com/entry.php?241-Nov.-14-Playoff-Projections (http://www.collegesportingnews.com/entry.php?241-Nov.-14-Playoff-Projections)
1. N Dakota St (9) (1.00) MVFC #1
2. Montana St (2.29) Big Sky #2
3. Sam Houston St (3.14) At-Large #1 #3
4. E Washington (5.00) At-Large #2 #4
5. Ga Southern (7.00) SoCon #5
6. Illinois St (8.29) At-Large #3 Home 2nd
7. Indiana St (10.14) At-Large #4 Home 2nd
8. Cent Arkansas (10.57) Southland Home 2nd
9. S Dakota St (11.43) At-Large #5 Road 2nd
10. Cal Poly (11.86) At-Large #6 Road 2nd
11. Old Dominion (12.14) At-Large #7 Road 2nd
12. Northern Arizona (13.00) At-Large #8 Road 2nd
13. Appalachian St (13.14) At-Large #9 Home 1st
14. Wofford (15.00) At-Large #10 Home 1st
15. E Kentucky (15.14)
16. E Illinois (17.43) OVC Home 1st
17. S Illinois (18.71)
18. New Hampshire (20.29) CAA Home 1st
19. Northern Iowa (20.43)
20. Towson (20.57)
21. Youngstown St (21.00)
22. Villanova (21.43)
23. Stony Brook (23.00)
24. Richmond (23.14)
25. TN Martin (25.00)
38. Bethune-Cookman (32.71) MEAC Road 1st
40. Coastal Carolina (36.14) Big South Road 1st
45. Colgate (39.57) Patriot Road 1st
54. Wagner (47.57) NEC Road 1st
Number of teams by conference
MVFC 4
Big Sky 4
SoCon 3
Southand 2
CAA 2
OVC 1
MEAC 1
Big South 1
Patriot 1
NEC 1
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Biggest game of Wolf's coaching career so far at YSU??? Need a W today boys