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OK there is two weeks to break this down.
For the folks on here who like to go off of what happened in the past:
1. RMU put a huge scare into Dayton. 34-31
2. Dayton beat ISU (b).
3. ISU (b) better than YSU by the polls and pre-season experts.
4. Bobby Morris for the upset?!?!
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We should not have any problems with Bobby Morris UNLESS WE GOT THE SAME REPS FROM OUR LAST GAME.
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We should not have any problems with Bobby Morris UNLESS WE GOT THE SAME REPS FROM OUR LAST GAME.
I had RMU as the worst of the 4 team OOC we face. Ref's are taking over and changing games. I was in Lexington and watched the refs single handily change the out come of the UK FL game with targeting calls. It's not fair to the defense looks to me D players hurting themselves trying to pull up not to get a call against them :'(
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We should not have any problems with Bobby Morris UNLESS WE GOT THE SAME REPS FROM OUR LAST GAME.
I had RMU as the worst of the 4 team OOC we face. Ref's are taking over and changing games. I was in Lexington and watched the refs single handily change the out come of the UK FL game with targeting calls. It's not fair to the defense looks to me D players hurting themselves trying to pull up not to get a call against them :'(
I am not a lawyer. To me, the word "targeting" requires intent. Otherwise, it is an incidental contact.
I have seen so many incidents where the defensive player tried to avoid helmet contact by tackling the defensive player in the midsection and wounded up creating helmet to helmet contact when the defensive player lowered his head at the last second.
To me, it seems like they should look at the entire sequence leading up to the hit and not just look at the result, the helmet to helmet contact.
I know.... NCAA wants the refs to enforce the rules and not to interpret or re-write them (I guess, that is up to the supreme court refs or progressive refs).
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This should be another scrimmage in which we work on our obvious flaws. Most importantly, few or no penalties must be the ultimate goal on the 28th.
Where does Waid fit in right now? He now has three games left before he loses his freshman eligibility. If the coaches intend to burn his redshirt, he should play the entire second half against RMU so he can demonstrate his passing ability.
I agree that targeting is now making a mockery out of traditional football. It started with good enough intentions. For example, preventing an exposed receiver from getting destroyed AFTER the ball had clearly passed over him. Or "spearing" a runner after he was on the ground. It has morphed into a monster that causes defensive players to think too much and react too little.
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This should be another scrimmage in which we work on our obvious flaws. Most importantly, few or no penalties must be the ultimate goal on the 28th.
Where does Waid fit in right now? He now has three games left before he loses his freshman eligibility. If the coaches intend to burn his redshirt, he should play the entire second half against RMU so he can demonstrate his passing ability.
I agree that targeting is now making a mockery out of traditional football. It started with good enough intentions. For example, preventing an exposed receiver from getting destroyed AFTER the ball had clearly passed over him. Or "spearing" a runner after he was on the ground. It has morphed into a monster that causes defensive players to think too much and react too little.
This is analagous to gun control. Both are slipper slopes. Targeting is just much further ahead.
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I would only agree with using Waid over Craycraft if you have decided that Waid is now #2; otherwise you need Craycraft to take as many snaps as possible. Do not look to what might be down the road; I am talking about who comes in if Mays has to come out for a series. I do not thing Waid is your answer, so you cannot let him play for the half...this has the be Craycraft..
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Hate that we have 2 bye weeks in the first couple weeks of the year. Really stinks not having one for conference play. This should be another easy win.
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I would only agree with using Waid over Craycraft if you have decided that Waid is now #2; otherwise you need Craycraft to take as many snaps as possible. Do not look to what might be down the road; I am talking about who comes in if Mays has to come out for a series. I do not thing Waid is your answer, so you cannot let him play for the half...this has the be Craycraft..
How many games can you play in and still keep your red shirt, 3-4? I hope that they were just letting Waid get his feet wet in a game we had a great chance of winning. Would not be surprised to see him against Robert but after that only if really needed.
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You can play in 4 and keep your redshirt. Mark will see plenty of time.
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You can play in 4 and keep your redshirt. Mark will see plenty of time.
Any 4 games during the season? Are playoff games excluded?
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As far as I know, the rule does not dictate how far into the season that they can play (although IMO it should). Rather they have to be on the beginning season roster. This keeps players from transferring to a program late in the season, declare that they are sitting out and then play 4-games to help a team win the conference, make a bowl game, or maybe play in the post-season.
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Yes, any 4 games. I believe playoff games count.
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Robert Morris rolled to an easy win Saturday. 31-21 over VMI.
They actually have one lose by 3 & one by 6, so they've been reasonable competitive at their level. I'm looking for a comfortable win we can use to work on some things, but I don't see 56-0, maybe 31-6?
Maybe we can have a come from 2 scores behind comeback victory like the Buckeyes?
Bobby Morris' main runner is 5/9 165 so I assume he is fast, but I don't see him pushing DeMarco Craig Jr too far on the inside (or Justus Reed in the 2nd half)
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I watched some of their game against VMI, a Southern Conference bottom-feeder. They don't stink. Actually, they look about the same as Duquesne, and both RMU and Duquesne played Dayton about the same, albeit with different results. We take this game too lightly at our peril.
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I watched some of their game against VMI, a Southern Conference bottom-feeder. They don't stink. Actually, they look about the same as Duquesne, and both RMU and Duquesne played Dayton about the same, albeit with different results. We take this game too lightly at our peril.
Agreed.
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If anybody is taking Robert Morris lightly, I have one word that should be sufficient to wake them up: BUTLER
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Robert Morris is awful. They scored 7 points and lost to an average D-2 program in Kentucky State. We win by at least 20 without even playing well.
All four non conference opponents are not very good. I realize Duquense won a playoff game a year ago, but they then lost 51-6 to South Dakota State.
This schedule is not getting us ready for the conference
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since we have declined somewhat without the cupcakes we do not get that many wins
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since we have declined somewhat without the cupcakes we do not get that many wins
?? what does this mean? please clarify.
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we are not the team of the 90's
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we are not the team of the 90's
If you say so, I still can't read that into what you wrote.
In fairness, I wonder how the game has changed since then? I could argue the gap between 1A and 1AA has narrowed substantially, and if so, then the talent in 1AA is better than it was then. I watched us play for the championship 6 times in the 90's and thought we had the best team on the field 1 of those times. The other 3 wins came from coaching and effort. I would further argue that there is greater talent now and the "effort and coaching teams" are no longer able to be competitive. The last few years our talent level just hasn't been there. Even when we went to Frisco, we simply were not competitive with JMU man to man. Same in the semi-final game against Appy State a few years ago. I think it is harder to win at 1AA than in the 90's I have posed here before that man for man, this team is probably the most talented I've ever seen at YSU. Interesting thought, isn't it?
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qo quins,I'm slightly surprised you called this years team the most talented . I like our Dline and our two safeties. Not sure about the lbs and corners but they could be unhearlded type. Might be the fastest overall defense we have seen in a while.
Special teams so far have been bad.
Oline is too early to get a read on based on competition.
RB has been good by committee so far,would like to see one guy be the man.
wr not seeing it.
QB are game managers but that doesn't mean you can't go deep in the playoffs.
I hope you're right. Long season to go.
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I agree with some of your points but think how many 1AA teams moved up to FBS. Marshall, Boise, Central Florida, Georgia Southern etc. Also there were less teams going to the play-offs. We had some talented teams in the 90's.
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qo quins,I'm slightly surprised you called this years team the most talented . I like our Dline and our two safeties. Not sure about the lbs and corners but they could be unhearlded type. Might be the fastest overall defense we have seen in a while.
Special teams so far have been bad.
Oline is too early to get a read on based on competition.
RB has been good by committee so far,would like to see one guy be the man.
wr not seeing it.
QB are game managers but that doesn't mean you can't go deep in the playoffs.
I hope you're right. Long season to go.
When I say the team is talented that's what I mean, but that DOESN'T mean that will translate to wins. We have guys like Craycraft, Waid and Collins sitting on the bench at QB. IMO Collins could be the best 4th string QB in school history, but he isn't going to help us win a game. And Waid is probably the best 3rd string QB. It is a deep, fast, big team, but it doesn't mean we are going to win. DeMarko Craig and Justus Reed are Sunday caliber players. Hawkins is a very talented TE, but isn't helping us at all due to injury. I think Chapman it the best back with the fewest carries in 2 years I've ever seen, and I go back to 1967. I don't know what Bo doesn't like, but it's something. But given 20 carries Braxton would make us forget a lot of guys from the last 20 teams. I like Cash and the LBs. Kicking has been "spotty" but DeSalvo and McFadden have talent. Whether that can summon that talent under pressure is a big question, but the legs are there.
Talented, with a potential to be good is where we are, we are definitely NOT great by any means. But it you lined time up in sprints, weight lifting, shuttles etc. by all the measurables, they would beat every previous team.
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The teams in the 90's had those intangibles that all good teams have. The will to win, working as a team, making sacrifices for the team, enthusiasm, swagger. We had it then, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern and currently North Dakota State have it or had it. In addition in the 90's we were lucky to have no major injuries.
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For me, the '93 and '94 teams were the best that we ever had. '91 and '97 were spectacular overachievers, and that is not a knock but a complement.
Ron Strollo has said during interviews several times that he could not play at this level today. I think that the talent level in the MVFC is better than anything that we faced in the 90s. Remember that there were no "instant" transfers then. Going from IA to IAA meant sitting out a year, and I suspect big time refugees ended up at MAC schools.
Yet I agree with YSU1 that intangibles are vital and that we had them in abundance during the 90s.
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I would say that the gap between IA/FBS and I-AA/FCS has increased dramatically & will be even greater now that newbies can play 4 games. Scholarship changes most-likely. In the 50's-early 70's YSU had 3 QB's play professionally. We beat Cinci and played well against Missouri. We were DII. It has to due with opportunity to play:
The game began as Football colleges & universities vs non-football colleges and universities.
-Then it became the NCAA with University vs. College.
-Then it became College & Universities vs Small Colleges and universities.
-Then it became DI vs DII.
-Then it became DI vs. D-II vs D-III and the addition of NAIA as a governing body with DI, DII and DIII.
-Then it was IA vs I-AA vs D-II vs D-III vs NAIA
-Now it is FBS vs FCS vs D-II vs D-III vs NAIA. Also the scholarship equivalents have made almost half of the non-scholarship DI schools begin offering financial aid. Let's also not forget that FBS may require all athletes on scholarship, but it does not state how much. Many MAC players were getting little or no scholarship dollars, but now the schools realize this will not do. Thus increasing the gap even further with TV contracts.
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Never played Missouri.
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Never played Missouri.
Did not beat Cinci either. I was at the game at Stamburgh. We lost in last second in a goal line stand when Naduzzi was called for delay of game. The ref stopped the clock (Cinci did not have any more Time off) and Cinni scored on the next play as time expired.
Can anyone else verify my account of that game?
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Beat Cincinnati in ‘81 and ‘84,,, Lost to them in ‘82 and ‘85
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We lost to Cinci in 81, 82 & 85. Won in '84. I will need to look up the other game, but I swear we played Missouri, or someone similar. The point that I am making is that there are too many colleges and too little talent spread around. College ball is too big. Look an NFL coach can build his team around any QB (a look at last year's Eagles will show you that), but does anyone here honestly think that Wentz was NFL material? I am not so certain he was even the best QB in the MVFC for 3 of his 4 years in college. Had NDSU remained DII or not have been so successful over the years would Wentz be in the NFL? Doubt it. The old system of DI vs D-II or small college vs college put YSU in the top half; today we are not even in the top half of DI (FBS) with the supposedly better teams making the jump to FBS, which is what started this conversation. None the less, if you have the ability, the pro's will find you.
With such a gap, a smaller school has to distinguish itself, like NDSU with wins. Like YSU, with the last name of our coach. Don't laugh, it's true and the only reason Strollo took the chance. Players under Pelini will get a second-look by the scouts. At least an honest look.
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Yet I agree with YSU1 that intangibles are vital and that we had them in abundance during the 90s.
What we had was.................wait for it...................................TRESSEL!
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We lost to Cinci in 81, 82 & 85. Won in '84. I will need to look up the other game, but I swear we played Missouri, or someone similar. The point that I am making is that there are too many colleges and too little talent spread around. College ball is too big. Look an NFL coach can build his team around any QB (a look at last year's Eagles will show you that), but does anyone here honestly think that Wentz was NFL material? I am not so certain he was even the best QB in the MVFC for 3 of his 4 years in college. Had NDSU remained DII or not have been so successful over the years would Wentz be in the NFL? Doubt it. The old system of DI vs D-II or small college vs college put YSU in the top half; today we are not even in the top half of DI (FBS) with the supposedly better teams making the jump to FBS, which is what started this conversation. None the less, if you have the ability, the pro's will find you.
With such a gap, a smaller school has to distinguish itself, like NDSU with wins. Like YSU, with the last name of our coach. Don't laugh, it's true and the only reason Strollo took the chance. Players under Pelini will get a second-look by the scouts. At least an honest look.
Wentz WOULD ben in the NFL. He might not have been #2 but maybe #15 but scouts don't give a rat's a$$ about the coach, but can the kid play? MLB kids get drafted out of HS. Scouts scout, they don't draft because of the coach. Ken Anderson played how long for the Bungles? out of what the announcers ALWAYS called "tiny Augustana College, Lyle Alzado was all-pro from Yankton. "Don't laugh, it's true and the only reason Strollo took the chance." yeah sure Strollo you meant Tressel.
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I think that high schools are not turning out as many quality football players as in the past. There are still good players but not as many.
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Wenzt may have had tryouts, but I do not see him getting drafted. Are you going to tell me that Wentz was a better QB than Brock Jensen? Brock was an undrafted free-agent that eventually landed in the CFL & he was perhaps the best QB in recent I-AA/FCS history. I think YSU gave Brock his only 2 regular season I-AA losses.
The Eagles back-up proved to be a superior QB (to Wentz) last year. He was loaded with those intangibles that overcame shortcomings elsewhere on the roster. However, the team is built around Carson. The Eagles did the exact same thing with Ron Jaworski. "Jaws" was probably the first franchise QB.
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Wenzt may have had tryouts, but I do not see him getting drafted. Are you going to tell me that Wentz was a better QB than Brock Jensen? Brock was an undrafted free-agent that eventually landed in the CFL & he was perhaps the best QB in recent I-AA/FCS history. I think YSU gave Brock his only 2 regular season I-AA losses.
The Eagles back-up proved to be a superior QB (to Wentz) last year. He was loaded with those intangibles that overcame shortcomings elsewhere on the roster. However, the team is built around Carson. The Eagles did the exact same thing with Ron Jaworski. "Jaws" was probably the first franchise QB.
College success does not translate to pro success. Wentz was obviously a better pro prospect, he had Next level size, arm strength and athleticism, and has been successful in the NFL.
I don’t know what argument you’re trying to make but Jensen is not a better professional QB then Wentz.
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Wenzt may have had tryouts, but I do not see him getting drafted. Are you going to tell me that Wentz was a better QB than Brock Jensen? Brock was an undrafted free-agent that eventually landed in the CFL & he was perhaps the best QB in recent I-AA/FCS history. I think YSU gave Brock his only 2 regular season I-AA losses.
The Eagles back-up proved to be a superior QB (to Wentz) last year. He was loaded with those intangibles that overcame shortcomings elsewhere on the roster. However, the team is built around Carson. The Eagles did the exact same thing with Ron Jaworski. "Jaws" was probably the first franchise QB.
College success does not translate to pro success. Wentz was obviously a better pro prospect, he had Next level size, arm strength and athleticism, and has been successful in the NFL.
I don’t know what argument you’re trying to make but Jensen is not a better professional QB then Wentz.
I believe statically the best QB the golden buffaloes had is Easton Stick. Replaced Wentz when he got hurt. I don't remember him going to the NFL this year. Bottom line NDSU has had a terrific run with QB's something YSU has never had :-X
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Wenzt may have had tryouts, but I do not see him getting drafted. Are you going to tell me that Wentz was a better QB than Brock Jensen? Brock was an undrafted free-agent that eventually landed in the CFL & he was perhaps the best QB in recent I-AA/FCS history. I think YSU gave Brock his only 2 regular season I-AA losses.
The Eagles back-up proved to be a superior QB (to Wentz) last year. He was loaded with those intangibles that overcame shortcomings elsewhere on the roster. However, the team is built around Carson. The Eagles did the exact same thing with Ron Jaworski. "Jaws" was probably the first franchise QB.
College success does not translate to pro success. Wentz was obviously a better pro prospect, he had Next level size, arm strength and athleticism, and has been successful in the NFL.
I don’t know what argument you’re trying to make but Jensen is not a better professional QB then Wentz.
I believe statically the best QB the golden buffaloes had is Easton Stick. Replaced Wentz when he got hurt. I don't remember him going to the NFL this year. Bottom line NDSU has had a terrific run with QB's something YSU has never had :-X
Stick was the 5th round pick of the Chargers. 3rd on the depth chart currently.
I watched a bit of their game against UC Davis. Their new QB looks like he will be a good one also, big shock I know.
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Wenzt may have had tryouts, but I do not see him getting drafted. Are you going to tell me that Wentz was a better QB than Brock Jensen? Brock was an undrafted free-agent that eventually landed in the CFL & he was perhaps the best QB in recent I-AA/FCS history. I think YSU gave Brock his only 2 regular season I-AA losses.
The Eagles back-up proved to be a superior QB (to Wentz) last year. He was loaded with those intangibles that overcame shortcomings elsewhere on the roster. However, the team is built around Carson. The Eagles did the exact same thing with Ron Jaworski. "Jaws" was probably the first franchise QB.
College success does not translate to pro success. Wentz was obviously a better pro prospect, he had Next level size, arm strength and athleticism, and has been successful in the NFL.
I don’t know what argument you’re trying to make but Jensen is not a better professional QB then Wentz.
I believe statically the best QB the golden buffaloes had is Easton Stick. Replaced Wentz when he got hurt. I don't remember him going to the NFL this year. Bottom line NDSU has had a terrific run with QB's something YSU has never had :-X
Stick was the 5th round pick of the Chargers. 3rd on the depth chart currently.
I watched a bit of their game against UC Davis. Their new QB looks like he will be a good one also, big shock I know.
NDSU is QB U LOL!!
Are you guys back at the TG lot/games since the other side opened back up?
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We lost to Cinci in 81, 82 & 85. Won in '84. I will need to look up the other game, but I swear we played Missouri, or someone similar. The point that I am making is that there are too many colleges and too little talent spread around. College ball is too big. Look an NFL coach can build his team around any QB (a look at last year's Eagles will show you that), but does anyone here honestly think that Wentz was NFL material? I am not so certain he was even the best QB in the MVFC for 3 of his 4 years in college. Had NDSU remained DII or not have been so successful over the years would Wentz be in the NFL? Doubt it. The old system of DI vs D-II or small college vs college put YSU in the top half; today we are not even in the top half of DI (FBS) with the supposedly better teams making the jump to FBS, which is what started this conversation. None the less, if you have the ability, the pro's will find you.
With such a gap, a smaller school has to distinguish itself, like NDSU with wins. Like YSU, with the last name of our coach. Don't laugh, it's true and the only reason Strollo took the chance. Players under Pelini will get a second-look by the scouts. At least an honest look.
Wrong yet again (not surprisingly). Beat Cincinnati in 1981.
In order for an argument to be taken seriously, the facts have to be correct or it diminishes the credibility of everything else.
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I just hope we beat Bob Morris
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1985* Cincinnati 29, YSU 27
1985 Eastern Michigan 27, YSU 22
1984 YSU 27, Cincinnati 23
1984* YSU 31, Eastern Michigan 7
1982 Cincinnati 27, YSU 3
1981 YSU 19, Cincinnati 13
There you go Joe. If they are wrong then blame the YSu record book that I copied and pasted from.
BTW, the original post did not even mention a year, I just stated we beat Cinci. Quite factual don't you think? SO if you have a point to make about the post's topic, then do so. No reason to discredit anything. (It is like someone making a point that we were in WWII. They said the attack on Pearl Harbor was on December 7, 1940. It does not discredit the point). Also I was thinking of Mississippi when I said Missouri. I spoke with a contact and that was actually Mississippi College that we defeated ...not Old Miss.
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Back on topic.... It's game day!
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1985* Cincinnati 29, YSU 27
1985 Eastern Michigan 27, YSU 22
1984 YSU 27, Cincinnati 23
1984* YSU 31, Eastern Michigan 7
1982 Cincinnati 27, YSU 3
1981 YSU 19, Cincinnati 13
There you go Joe. If they are wrong then blame the YSu record book that I copied and pasted from.
BTW, the original post did not even mention a year, I just stated we beat Cinci. Quite factual don't you think? SO if you have a point to make about the post's topic, then do so. No reason to discredit anything. (It is like someone making a point that we were in WWII. They said the attack on Pearl Harbor was on December 7, 1940. It does not discredit the point). Also I was thinking of Mississippi when I said Missouri. I spoke with a contact and that was actually Mississippi College that we defeated ...not Old Miss.
Stop trying to defend yourself. Everyone here knows that you have limited knowledge. You specifically said a couple of things that were just flat out wrong. As you often do. Just admit it. Don’t try to defend. Maybe then you won’t be the laughingstock and object of ridicule that you are to many of us.
Missouri, Mississippi, Mississippi College, 1981, 1982, 1984. You’re all over the place sometimes. Often incoherent.
If you don’t like it, too bad. Boot me. Just sad it that you are wrong, when you often are. Maybe you won’t look like such a buffoon.
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1985* Cincinnati 29, YSU 27
1985 Eastern Michigan 27, YSU 22
1984 YSU 27, Cincinnati 23
1984* YSU 31, Eastern Michigan 7
1982 Cincinnati 27, YSU 3
1981 YSU 19, Cincinnati 13
There you go Joe. If they are wrong then blame the YSu record book that I copied and pasted from.
BTW, the original post did not even mention a year, I just stated we beat Cinci. Quite factual don't you think? SO if you have a point to make about the post's topic, then do so. No reason to discredit anything. (It is like someone making a point that we were in WWII. They said the attack on Pearl Harbor was on December 7, 1940. It does not discredit the point). Also I was thinking of Mississippi when I said Missouri. I spoke with a contact and that was actually Mississippi College that we defeated ...not Old Miss.
Stop trying to defend yourself. Everyone here knows that you have limited knowledge. You specifically said a couple of things that were just flat out wrong. As you often do. Just admit it. Don’t try to defend. Maybe then you won’t be the laughingstock and object of ridicule that you are to many of us.
Missouri, Mississippi, Mississippi College, 1981, 1982, 1984. You’re all over the place sometimes. Often incoherent.
If you don’t like it, too bad. Boot me. Just sad it that you are wrong, when you often are. Maybe you won’t look like such a buffoon.
I said nothing to defend; I was insulting you. Why would I "boot" someone for being an arrogant jack-a$$? I have yet to read any point from you about YSU. If you need to make comments to me, feel free to PM me. The board does not need to read your crap. If you want to talk Penguins ...please do. If not ... post elsewhere.
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You are so lacking in knowledge that you do not even realize how unaware that you are. Since you have resorted to name calling, I am pretty certain that I have gotten under your thin skin. That was not my intent, but, so be it. My true intention was merely to point out to you that very often, you speak out of an orifice that is not your mouth. Your lack of knowledge is actually comical sometimes.
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Can't we keep this light and support YSU.
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Are you going to tell me that Wentz was a better QB than Brock Jensen?
The Eagles back-up proved to be a superior QB (to Wentz) last year. He was loaded with those intangibles that overcame shortcomings elsewhere on the roster. However, the team is built around Carson. The Eagles did the exact same thing with Ron Jaworski. "Jaws" was probably the first franchise QB.
Jensen was a great 1AA college QB. NO QUESTION, but he was no pro prospect. Wentz was dam good college QB, but missed most of senior year and Stick played them to National Championship. But Wentz was a GREAT pro prospect. He would have been drafted NO QUESTION. By the same token, Jaworski is in the top 10 YSU QB's every, but not #1. He was far better in the NFL than at YSU! Got the Eagles to the SB, but not so much in Youngstown! Two different sports. Browns Frank Ryan and Patriots Tom Brady couldn't even win the starting job in college, but did OK in then NFL. Different game.