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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: Pizza on October 08, 2011, 05:42:16 PM
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Had to rename the original thread.
Here's how I feel....... :o
That's the best I can do right now.
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South Dakota State is a bad football team this year. We are much worse. Last week Happy Penguin suggested that he failed to see much progress this year. After today, reasonable men and women might openly express doubts about Wolford's ability to return us to national prominence. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of valid reasons why schools should adhere to the unwritten three year rule as head coaches try to establish their programs. But that does not prevent fans from forming opinions and worrying about lack of progress. Wolford brags about the abilities of his staff. Do you see any evidence of coaching excellence? Perhaps on offense, but not even there today. Are you concerned when you see running backs drag our undersized freshmen linebackers for three or four yards after contact? Can you explain why Jimmy Mayes is playing cornerback besides the fact that he is an "athlete" and a local kid? Perhaps it is his highly developed cover skills?
Pizza suggested on another thread that one or two recruiting classes will solve our problems. I sure hope so. But something deep inside is nagging me tonight: this football team is worse than Heacock's last edition in 2009. And we all remember how fond we were of that bunch and their head coach.
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Looks like St. Francis may be our only other game we will win. I am now calling for Wolford at years end to fire all the defensive coaches as they all SUCK.
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The offense score enough points to win. The D is clueless. They don't jam the receivers. Thy just let them run their routes. Pisses me off. By the way, whree are our LB's????
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The offense score enough points to win. The D is clueless. They don't jam the receivers. Thy just let them run their routes. Pisses me off. By the way, whree are our LB's????
Here's how I feel.......
That's the best I can do right now. ??? :'( :-\ :-X :-[ ::)
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Extra Points:
- YSU Completed only 25% of their third-down attempts; while the defense allowed the Jack Rabbits to complete almost 70% of theirs.
- Hess threw two interceptions in the game. He also threw four-straight incompletions in the Penguin's final drive.
- The Penguins lost the battle of possession, and had 8 penalties, in the contest..
- The Penguins final five drives went into SDSU's side of the field, but none could produce any points.
- YSU is now 0-3 in field goals
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Just a poor overall performance by the D after a bye week...but with how many freshman starting on D ...WHAT can we really expect? If we don't see improvement as we get to November..then maybe we need to bring a new D coach...but we are playing so many green players...Rodgers, Williams, Mayes, Senter, DAvis...Seriously...this is a recipe for disaster on D.
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Heres a stat line...we havent made a FG this year...I thought the one we missed late in the game yesterday..was a big momentum changer 44yds out...
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By the way, where are our LB's????
Out looking for CB's that have any idea how to cover.
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For the life of me I can not understand why we did keep up the pressure on their QB like we did in the 3rd qtr. The last two scores they had we just sat back and let him have all the time in the world.
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We are not tough....no toughness...no tenacity....no meanness....no balls....no attitude...no guts....not sure what this team is made...
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This team plays the way most play now. The stupid spread takes away all aggressiveness. Linemen zone block, no dominance in our running game any longer.
Defensively we have some vertically challenged people out there. We look small and slow in the front seven.
Couldn't we have helped May out a bit on the two td passes? Secondary play is not my specialy but if the safety helps on the deepest man, we obviously didn't do that yesterday.
Very disappointed with the OL play. They rush THREE on the last drive, and SUBS at that on a couple plays and still get pressure on the QB? C'mon Man.
For all the accolades etc that our OL get they didn't get the job done yesterday. Not even close.
So taking everything into account WOlford is right there is enough blame to go around. Including him and his staff.
p.s. Shout outs to Bogerd, Tez, LaTess,Andy and Vecch.
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We are not tough....no toughness...no tenacity....no meanness....no balls....no attitude...no guts....not sure what this team is made...
As your bro so astutely said
"Cupcakes, get your YSU cupcakes, right here"
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Extra Points:
- YSU Completed only 25% of their third-down attempts; while the defense allowed the Jack Rabbits to complete almost 70% of theirs.
- Hess threw two interceptions in the game. He also threw four-straight incompletions in the Penguin's final drive.
- The Penguins lost the battle of possession, and had 8 penalties, in the contest..
- The Penguins final five drives went into SDSU's side of the field, but none could produce any points.
- YSU is now 0-3 in field goals
he threw 4 straight incompletions the final set of downs, not the final drive
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Heres a stat line...we havent made a FG this year...I thought the one we missed late in the game yesterday..was a big momentum changer 44yds out...
the only reason is was a momentum changer is because we gave up a 73 yard TD pass 10 seconds later
stop that pass and who knows how the game turns out
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Here is something I learned from coach Heacock ..a long time ago when he was still the DC. The game of football changed when they allowed teams to pass the ball in a forward direction. Now opposing football teams have two ways they can score against you. The only way that you can be consistently successful on defense is to shut down one of these two options ..the pass or the run. This is known as a team's defensive "style". Although a good "swarming" defense can do both of these in a game, there still has to be a constant focus on one or the other.
1. Run-focused defense: a defense that stops the run is built from the front, to the back. Your most crucial point is up front; yet your secondary is "flying solo" so they need to be the best, while you front needs to bring pressure.
2. Pass-focused defense: a defense that stops the pass is built from the back to the front. Your most crucial point is in the secondary. There is an extra man in the back, and the middle plays more coverage, which forces the opposing QB to run or throw it away.
Of course I am over-simplifying it above. However, right now our focus, or style, on defense is wrong for our conference. Our secondary is all speed, but no skills ...INT's, break-ups, tackles. Are we ever going to turn our heads to see where the ball is at? I mean there are some experienced receivers out there, and they are going to know that our CB's are watching only the eyes. In the middle, are our LB's ever going to be able to stop playing the line, and cover a slant-pass over the middle? Are our DE's ever going to be able to develop enough to read a QB and cover the run vs the pass?
I see a great deal of talk about more time. Yes, that is true ...we all need to remember that coach W must have his time. However, we lost an enormous number of starters 2-years ago (not to cry over spilled milk, but far more than we should have), now we are talking about how young they are this year once again. Now I am hearing he needs a couple more recruiting classes. We can go to any high-school in the country, and we are going to see the same thing ...high-school players. These guys need to become college players. These next classes should be for depth ...not for replacements. This is an indication to me that a system is still not in place. Although "Pride" is upset in his post (and with good reason in my mind), to me he is "spot-on" when he says that coach W better evaluate staff. Are we playing the right defense for the MVFC? Forget the Missouri Valley ...are we playing the right football for the Mahoning Valley?
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they just can't seem to come up with the big play at the right time while the opposition does
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Here is something I learned from coach Heacock ..a long time ago when he was still the DC. The game of football changed when they allowed teams to pass the ball in a forward direction. Now opposing football teams have two ways they can score against you. The only way that you can be consistently successful on defense is to shut down one of these two options ..the pass or the run. This is known as a team's defensive "style". Although a good "swarming" defense can do both of these in a game, there still has to be a constant focus on one or the other.
1. Run-focused defense: a defense that stops the run is built from the front, to the back. Your most crucial point is up front; yet your secondary is "flying solo" so they need to be the best, while you front needs to bring pressure.
2. Pass-focused defense: a defense that stops the pass is built from the back to the front. Your most crucial point is in the secondary. There is an extra man in the back, and the middle plays more coverage, which forces the opposing QB to run or throw it away.
Of course I am over-simplifying it above. However, right now our focus, or style, on defense is wrong for our conference. Our secondary is all speed, but no skills ...INT's, break-ups, tackles. Are we ever going to turn our heads to see where the ball is at? I mean there are some experienced receivers out there, and they are going to know that our CB's are watching only the eyes. In the middle, are our LB's ever going to be able to stop playing the line, and cover a slant-pass over the middle? Are our DE's ever going to be able to develop enough to read a QB and cover the run vs the pass?
I see a great deal of talk about more time. Yes, that is true ...we all need to remember that coach W must have his time. However, we lost an enormous number of starters 2-years ago (not to cry over spilled milk, but far more than we should have), now we are talking about how young they are this year once again. Now I am hearing he needs a couple more recruiting classes. We can go to any high-school in the country, and we are going to see the same thing ...high-school players. These guys need to become college players. These next classes should be for depth ...not for replacements. This is an indication to me that a system is still not in place. Although "Pride" is upset in his post (and with good reason in my mind), to me he is "spot-on" when he says that coach W better evaluate staff. Are we playing the right defense for the MVFC? Forget the Missouri Valley ...are we playing the right football for the Mahoning Valley?
no need to change the staff
if you keep changing the staff how will the kids be able to learn and pick and stick to a system?
we just need a new CBs and LBs coach who can teach these kids to cover
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The Vindicator summed up Saturday's YSU game and season very well; "Youngstown State's playoff hopes died suddenly Saturday afternoon at their home at Stambaugh Stadium. They were five games old."
>:( :o :-[
Well I guess it's time to think about basketball. :-\
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The Vindicator summed up Saturday's YSU game and season very well; "Youngstown State's playoff hopes died suddenly Saturday afternoon at their home at Stambaugh Stadium. They were five games old."
>:( :o :-[
Well I guess it's time to think about basketball. :-\
im not 100% sure our playoff hopes are over just yet, if we can win out, we should get in
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I had to calm down the last 24 hours before I even came to this site, man that game depressed the heck out of me. We had no right to lose that game.
First of all I really like to defer to the second half but at least we did get the ball and moved down for 7, BUT then we kick the ball out of bounds, give me a break. Then follow that up with 2 straight penalties giving them a 50 yard field before they run a play.
I counted 3 timeouts used for defense and none of them helped. 2 of them were early in the 2nd half and we sure could of used them later in the game.
Why can we not adjust and do something about the holes across the middle, I mean really.
3rd and long is just killing us on defense, almost seems automatic for the bad guys, I would rather have 3 and 1.
Once again I did not feel that the team was ready for the game and this was after 2 weeks. 3rd qtr we looked like a different team on "D". the other 3 were ugly.
Counted 2 times were our dback fell down on coverage.
I could not watch the replay, was that fumble call on the return a good or bad call?
Not enough pressure on the QB.
O seemed to be confused on play calling a couple of times, ran out of time at least once and rushed a couple of other times, no excuse for this!
The SDSU fans were a good bunch, kudos to them.
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Here is something I learned from coach Heacock ..a long time ago when he was still the DC. The game of football changed when they allowed teams to pass the ball in a forward direction. Now opposing football teams have two ways they can score against you. The only way that you can be consistently successful on defense is to shut down one of these two options ..the pass or the run. This is known as a team's defensive "style". Although a good "swarming" defense can do both of these in a game, there still has to be a constant focus on one or the other.
1. Run-focused defense: a defense that stops the run is built from the front, to the back. Your most crucial point is up front; yet your secondary is "flying solo" so they need to be the best, while you front needs to bring pressure.
2. Pass-focused defense: a defense that stops the pass is built from the back to the front. Your most crucial point is in the secondary. There is an extra man in the back, and the middle plays more coverage, which forces the opposing QB to run or throw it away.
Of course I am over-simplifying it above. However, right now our focus, or style, on defense is wrong for our conference. Our secondary is all speed, but no skills ...INT's, break-ups, tackles. Are we ever going to turn our heads to see where the ball is at? I mean there are some experienced receivers out there, and they are going to know that our CB's are watching only the eyes. In the middle, are our LB's ever going to be able to stop playing the line, and cover a slant-pass over the middle? Are our DE's ever going to be able to develop enough to read a QB and cover the run vs the pass?
I see a great deal of talk about more time. Yes, that is true ...we all need to remember that coach W must have his time. However, we lost an enormous number of starters 2-years ago (not to cry over spilled milk, but far more than we should have), now we are talking about how young they are this year once again. Now I am hearing he needs a couple more recruiting classes. We can go to any high-school in the country, and we are going to see the same thing ...high-school players. These guys need to become college players. These next classes should be for depth ...not for replacements. This is an indication to me that a system is still not in place. Although "Pride" is upset in his post (and with good reason in my mind), to me he is "spot-on" when he says that coach W better evaluate staff. Are we playing the right defense for the MVFC? Forget the Missouri Valley ...are we playing the right football for the Mahoning Valley?
Well thought out. Nice post.
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So true Guinpen on the time-outs, and thanks Pizza. How did you like that time out with 1:38 left in the first half. I mean SDSU had little chance to score on us ...maybe 3-points ...we were doing okay & they were on their own 12. It would have taken a big play to get even a field goal. So I expected to go into the locker room at 14-14 in short order. You know what everyone is thinking ...get a big stop ...hopefully a sack ...use your time-outs. Well when your opponent picks up 6-yards on first down, your not supposed to call the time out!! So SDSU uses the time out to gather plays and take the lead on us, all the while knowing they were getting the ball first in the second half.
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So true Guinpen on the time-outs, and thanks Pizza. How did you like that time out with 1:38 left in the first half. I mean SDSU had little chance to score on us ...maybe 3-points ...we were doing okay & they were on their own 12. It would have taken a big play to get even a field goal. So I expected to go into the locker room at 14-14 in short order. You know what everyone is thinking ...get a big stop ...hopefully a sack ...use your time-outs. Well when your opponent picks up 6-yards on first down, your not supposed to call the time out!! So SDSU uses the time out to gather plays and take the lead on us, all the while knowing they were getting the ball first in the second half.
Could not understand it, they use a running play, they make no attempt to stop the clock and we do.
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Did any of you guys watch the TV broadcast? I really liked what Giles had to say. He was direct in his criticisms, and also in his compliments. He really knows the game & basically tells you what he thinks will happen next. If it does not go that way he thought, he tells you that he was glad the team went that way, or that it should have been that way. I would like to see see him get another year under his belt, and maybe the radio spot. I would like to see him do some non-game YSU work as well. Help out on WYTV
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Yea i kinda miss Hartzel on the radio...Muransky is too rah rah...I think Giles has potential though i watched the replay and he wasn't bad
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Sadly this season is over unless we win out. The O is figured out, Hess can't handle pressure in critical end of game situations and the D is still slow and soft. 2-8 yards after first contact on every tackle :o I remember when YSU was known for toughness and resilience on D not sissy tactics. Coaching staff don't seem to have these guys ready to play 60 minutes every week so on and so on............... :-X
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The Vindicator summed up Saturday's YSU game and season very well; "Youngstown State's playoff hopes died suddenly Saturday afternoon at their home at Stambaugh Stadium. They were five games old."
>:( :o :-[
Well I guess it's time to think about basketball. :-\
im not 100% sure our playoff hopes are over just yet, if we can win out, we should get in
Yes 21 that is true. And if Aunt Sally had balls she'd be Uncle Bob
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The Vindicator summed up Saturday's YSU game and season very well; "Youngstown State's playoff hopes died suddenly Saturday afternoon at their home at Stambaugh Stadium. They were five games old."
>:( :o :-[
Well I guess it's time to think about basketball. :-\
im not 100% sure our playoff hopes are over just yet, if we can win out, we should get in
Yes 21 that is true. And if Aunt Sally had balls she'd be Uncle Bob
Why not uncle sully ??? Just saying............LOL good one by the way :)