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Big game, I feel we have a good chance. Their QB has struggled the past 2 weeks. If we can stop their running game i don't think their QB can beat us. We played them well last year.
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I have to give the Bison credit because they find ways to win, but so do we. Five of their wins have been close with two of them going to overtime because of failed field goal attempts by the opposition in the end of regulation. I just see some uncharacteristic things with their offense I haven't seen in recent years. Their defense has improved from the start of the season. It should be a fun week, I see they have started a thread on Pelini to know one's surprise ☺
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YSUGO is spot-on. We always match-up better with NDSU than SDSU. The Bison play the old D-II flower offense ...everything unfolds from the center. It will allow us to play with the safeties a bit more.
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I agree with YSUGO. Stopping, or at least reasonably containing, the NDSU running attack is the key to the game. On paper, this looks like a terrible matchup between our offense and their defense. Don't think that we can run the ball against them, and we apparently can't pass against anybody. There is only so much that you can ask from any defense.
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I watched the press conference. 2 things. Pelini said Davis will be back at practice and Wells is the QB for now.
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I really think we have a shot. Will be a tough task for sure to go win this in Fargo. If our offense manages to play well this game though, we have a very good shot.
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Our offense will likely put the defense in many bad situations for a long long time. I can see them wearing on us until they start freeing up lanes.
Do I think we have a chance? Yes absolutely, but it won't be easy and we may need some breaks. Can we win with the current state of the offense? I say no. They need to get better this week. Wells will have another week of practice so that will certainly help things. It is understandable that he threw those pics with limited practice and playing time. A WR screen would have been nice though.
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Going to need a defensive or special teams TD to win.
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We could win....if Montgomery missed the team flight
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Let me start off by saying #GoGuins... If we can win the T.O.P battle this week, I really think we have a great shot @ winning in the FargoDome, NDSU has looked very vulnerable lately! Sure our offense has been bad but our defense is the best in the FCS lead by the best D-End tandem in the country!!! Offense just has to protect the ball, put together some clock eating drives and capitalize when we get in the red zone, whether that means getting 3 or 7 points... I know it's easier said than done but we did it @ WVU with 450 total yards so I remain optimistic!!! If we do that we win cause NDSU doesn't have the speed on the outside that WVU has, so Easton Stick won't have the luxury of just throwing the ball 50 yards down field to wide open receivers... No turnovers, decent offensive production, and the defense does what they always do and walk out of there with the W... Gonna b a fun one to watch and gonna b even more fun when the guys are headed home in 1st Place and on their way to a Conference Title... I BELIEVE AND SO SHOULD YOU!!! Have a good one guys!!!
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Big game, I feel we have a good chance. Their QB has struggled the past 2 weeks. If we can stop their running game i don't think their QB can beat us. We played them well last year.
THEIR QB has struggled? Now what's that old jingle about the Pot calling the Kettle black?!?!?
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mods, i didnt see this thread you can delete my other post, or leave it, big game calls for 2 threads ( mine for smack talk----this one for actual football discussion)
NDSU hasnt put together a complete game this year, maybe the Illinois St homecoming game.
NDSU has an improving Defense , who was reeling after losing all american MLB nick deluca.
NDSU QB is 15-1 & needs to get better, and really wish the Off Coord trusted him to do some more things.
Im thinking a close battle with the Fargodome being loud and disrupting the YSU players.
NDSU 31
YSU 16
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Im thinking a close battle with the Fargodome being loud and disrupting the YSU players.
NDSU 31
YSU 16
YSU scoring 16 points? dude, put down the crack pipe. Drugs are not your friend.. just say no. :D
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touchdown and 3 field goals, you can do that!
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I don't consider 31-16 a "close" battle. :)
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I don't consider 31-16 a "close" battle. :)
I think he means that they'll be on the same field. ;D
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Im thinking a close battle with the Fargodome being loud and disrupting the YSU players.
NDSU 31
YSU 16
YSU scoring 16 points? dude, put down the crack pipe. Drugs are not your friend.. just say no. :D
Why not 16? Three drives to the 30 and kick FG's and a 90 yard punt return. No problem
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Im thinking a close battle with the Fargodome being loud and disrupting the YSU players.
NDSU 31
YSU 16
YSU scoring 16 points? dude, put down the crack pipe. Drugs are not your friend.. just say no. :D
Why not 16? Three drives to the 30 and kick FG's and a 90 yard punt return. No problem
3 FGs means we'd sniff the red zone. Maybe I could believe a safety and two pic 6's. LeRoy will be our leading scorer.
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Look the Bison Defense is very good. In Conference play they allow 88 yards on the ground and yield 13 points per contest. They have allowed one rushing TD and have a total of 9 picks. It's just mind numbing and sick when you think of it. To make matters worse their ground game is strong and they average almost 5 yards a carry and lead the conference. If SDSU can hold the Bison to 17 in Fargo there is know reason why we can't hold them to 13. I think we can get 16 on them, but we need some great special teams play, some short fields, and error free football..My pick 16-13 Good guys!!
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Look the Bison Defense is very good. In Conference play they allow 88 yards on the ground and yield 13 points per contest. They have allowed one rushing TD and have a total of 9 picks. It's just mind numbing and sick when you think of it. To make matters worse their ground game is strong and they average almost 5 yards a carry and lead the conference. If SDSU can hold the Bison to 17 in Fargo there is know reason why we can't hold them to 13. I think we can get 16 on them, but we need some great special teams play, some short fields, and error free football..My pick 16-13 Good guys!!
SDSU plays all three phases well, and won top versus NDSU. We lost TOP to ISUb. If NDSU, esp with a run-oriented offense dominates TOP, the defense will tire out and things could get out of hand.
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I agree with you Nation on this
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BTW Like your profile picture..That's cool!!
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Thanks. Penguin legends!
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I'm hearing RB King Frazier could be out for this game
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Thanks. Penguin legends!
Out of 220 draft eligible DE's Rivers is ranked 12th and his stock is on the rise. Moss is ranked 49th and his stock is also on the rise. We are so lucky as fans to witness the high motors and dominance they bring to this conference and at the FCS level
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I'm hearing RB King Frazier could be out for this game
Yes that is true, he is questionable. Too bad we don't have coverage like this without going to YouTube and searching for it.
https://www.bisonmediazone.com/video-blog-ndsu-vs-youngstown-state/
http://gobison.com/index.aspx?path=football&tab=football2
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The offense is still high schoolish and YSU will struggle to run the ball and Wells will be forced to throw which is a problem. Defense will need to get at least 2 turnovers and a defensive TD for a chance to win.
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Massey gives YSU a 15% chance of winning and predicts a score of 20-7. YSU is 11.5 point dogs, and the O/U is 34.5. Personally, I think the under is a good bet. If the over wins, we are getting stomped.
This game is the 41st annual Harvest Bowl, celebrating excellence in agriculture, and NDSU will feature special "harvest" helmets.
YSU, ranked last in the Valley in passing offense, scoring offense, passing efficiency, and total offense, will face NDSU, who has the top rated rushing defense, red-zone defense, and scoring defense. Tre Dempsey of NDSU leads the conference in INTs (4), and UNI QB Dunne was picked 4 times last week. The YSU offense may be walking into a hornet's nest Saturday. If you give NDSU short fields, the game will get out of reach fast. A drive ending in a punt is not a crime, but one ending in a turnover is. Schuler is the top ranked punter in the MVFC. For an offense that has scored one TD in the last two games, a FG would be a glorious way to conclude a drive, particularly in a defensive struggle.
YSU's defense is ranked #1 in the Valley in total D, passing defense, sacks, and opponent first downs. NDSU is ranked first in rushing offense, but injuries may be limiting for them. Stick has thrown 4 picks in the last two games. Smith, Moss, and Rivers have combined for 16 solo sacks. Moss leads the MVFC in TFLs. Just stratospheric defensive stats.
Like SDSU, NDSU is a well balanced team with few Achilles heels. If our offense commits no turnovers, and we get a defensive score or Darien Townsend takes another punt return to the house, then I think we can pull it off. If we pull it off, we should get a seed and first round bye, and likely a deep run. TBH, I don't think we have the tools in the offensive toolbox to pull the win, but I hope I am proven wrong. NDSU 17-6
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We match up very poorly as Nation pointed out. I don't see this as the week the offense gets their act together, please prove me wrong. I would love to see about 20 short passes...lets start with baby steps and get everyone's confidence bolstered.
The final two games we should win and get the offense going a bit. Even being average on O and we will be a threat in the post season.
This week hurts though, 24-9
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We match up very poorly as Nation pointed out. I don't see this as the week the offense gets their act together, please prove me wrong. I would love to see about 20 short passes...lets start with baby steps and get everyone's confidence bolstered.
The final two games we should win and get the offense going a bit. Even being average on O and we will be a threat in the post season.
This week hurts though, 24-9
If Well can get up to speed and the OL blocks and we get Jodi in space we may have a chance. They had trouble with him last year. However they will dare us to pass and I think they will go to Zone coverage to make it difficult on Wells. If the OL can block them they will be forced to go into man coverage to get more leverage on the line. Lets hope they are forced to go to man coverage and Wells can hit his targets. That all hinges on the ability for the receivers to get open. If they get pressure in a zone it is over early.
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Amazing coverage here. YSU play by play guy was on radio here today. Up can download the app and listen from 11-1p central and 4-6p central
http://www.bison1660.com
Frazier won't play I'm fairly certain. lance Dunn and chase morlock
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We match up very poorly as Nation pointed out. I don't see this as the week the offense gets their act together, please prove me wrong. I would love to see about 20 short passes...lets start with baby steps and get everyone's confidence bolstered.
The final two games we should win and get the offense going a bit. Even being average on O and we will be a threat in the post season.
This week hurts though, 24-9
If Well can get up to speed and the OL blocks and we get Jodi in space we may have a chance. They had trouble with him last year. However they will dare us to pass and I think they will go to Zone coverage to make it difficult on Wells. If the OL can block them they will be forced to go into man coverage to get more leverage on the line. Lets hope they are forced to go to man coverage and Wells can hit his targets. That all hinges on the ability for the receivers to get open. If they get pressure in a zone it is over early.
I agree. We need a game plan that moves the chains. THIS IS A BiG GAME! Big plays. We need to be physical on both sides of the ball. I feel we need to give the Rock to Ruiz 25 carries Saturday for us to be successful. We need to keep it less than 7 in the first half and and do what we have been doing all season win the second half and control the 4th qtr. Hunter doesn't have to be a star here. If he can keep the chains moving is all I want.
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The Bison will be in their Green helmets and gold uniforms, hopefully this will be are good luck charm. It will most certainly look like Christmas day inside the Fargo dome with our RED. I think Wells gives us the best chance to stretch the defenses and give us a balanced offense.The wide receivers will be the whole key in this, they have to come up big on Saturday. They need to run the proper routes where the ball is being thrown, block downfield, get open and catch the ball it's that simple. I would like to see us go more to a hurry up offense in this game. I think we need to stretch the defense first and then run and throw more passes on first down
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The Bison will be in their Green helmets and gold uniforms, hopefully this will be are good luck charm. It will most certainly look like Christmas day inside the Fargo dome with our RED. I think Wells gives us the best chance to stretch the defenses and give us a balanced offense.The wide receivers will be the whole key in this, they have to come up big on Saturday. They need to run the proper routes where the ball is being thrown, block downfield, get open and catch the ball it's that simple. I would like to see us go more to a hurry up offense in this game. I think we need to stretch the defense first and then run and throw more passes on first down
Need to be careful what you wish for. This hurry up spread offense that Monty loves kills the defense in the end. 50 second 3 and outs hurt, especially when NDSU will line it up and run the ball up our ass ~ 8-14 play drives taking up to 5-7 minutes will get the defense tired in a hurry. Need to play NDSU's game, use the big TE's on our roster for short passes and use #37 up since he's our strongest runner.
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Red is right, but we are in such a need for rhythm right now & three times we have seen him use that new really tight pistol offense and resulted in late victories. I think the combination of what we have done in years past with Wells in combination of especially those last 4-drives with Mays (in the tight pistol & I am not saying we have to use Mays ..just that offensive set) ca be a really great combination that may help give us first-half heavy points and some of the second-half TOP we have been missing last year.
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It is the day before NDSU and I sign in and find we don't have a single blog response regarding the game.
Funny, but we have all this bravado predicting big wins etc., and we all know in our hearts that our O is sooooo bad that getting out of Fargo no worse than 28-6 would be a huge moral victory. I have a friend whose son was a guard for YSU in the ‘00s and I told him in all my years watching YSU, this might be the best D we’ve ever had, at least the most talented. But it is also be the worst offense I’ve seen. At very best, a mediocre line, terrible WR play (hopefully due to inexperience), combined with very inconsistent RB’s and certainly the poorest combined effort at QB ever. You’d have to go back to Dike Beede and the single wing to find passing as bad as we’ve seen this season. Really sad to waste this D.
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I am going to go out on a limb and predict 28-24 Good Guys. The best D we have had (by far) was Heacock's 1994. They set an NCAA record that may still stand at 8.5 (or 9.5) points-per-game allowed. I hope it was 1994, I will need to look that up. This year we have a D that is predominantly over-achieving and an O that is predominantly under-achieving. Overall I really expect Carl's D to be even better (or at least more talented) next year, but we lose a couple of ends that this year's D is built on; so we do not want to blow the opportunity those two afford us. On O, we need to trust the staff and see if this line and Wells can get it together. I would like to see the offense stay with select receivers that are used to Wells throwing. I love Jodi, but perhaps we try sets where he is not a 1st-down back. Ryan's hands are pretty good. I do not expect Wells to light the world on fire this weekend, but I think he will improve this offense. Again ...special teams is everything tomorrow.
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I am going to go out on a limb and predict 28-24 Good Guys. The best D we have had (by far) was Heacock's 1994. They set an NCAA record that may still stand at 8.5 (or 9.5) points-per-game allowed. I hope it was 1994, I will need to look that up. This year we have a D that is predominantly over-achieving and an O that is predominantly under-achieving. Overall I really expect Carl's D to be even better (or at least more talented) next year, but we lose a couple of ends that this year's D is built on; so we do not want to blow the opportunity those two afford us. On O, we need to trust the staff and see if this line and Wells can get it together. I would like to see the offense stay with select receivers that are used to Wells throwing. I love Jodi, but perhaps we try sets where he is not a 1st-down back. Ryan's hands are pretty good. I do not expect Wells to light the world on fire this weekend, but I think he will improve this offense. Again ...special teams is everything tomorrow.
Seniors on the defense: Moss, both Rivers, Eric Thompson, Dawson, Alexander, Pinnock, Bishop, Dortch, Jameel Smith, Jaylin Kelly, and Hagood.
The drop off next year will be substantial on defense. The offense will be the same old same old.
This is the year if "it" is going to happen.
"Trust the staff" on offense. How's that been working out so far? Maybe some ppl actually suck at their job? Ever use Comcast?
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Just as some people suck at being fans. Perhaps people might be more interested in your opinions if you made some specific suggestions besides defense is "great" and offense "sucks"? I made a couple of specific suggestions for tomorrow's game ...use different TB's on first-down and stick to specific receivers that are use to the harder throwing of Wells to the hands. Suggestions like this are what fans do. Unlike you; I know that no other OC, that we can afford, can do any better. So you just keep moving forward. You used to complain when we put up 30+ in the first-half alone because our pathetic D could not stop anyone from scoring 50+ and "we did not score in the second half". Yet you knew that Wolf gave coach M orders to dumb-down the offense and that not too many DC's had trouble adjusting to it at the half. Now the shoe is on the other foot, but you have seen what we are capable of. So you do not like the guy ...fine. How does that help anyone? Not that we are listened to, but it makes us feel good to think that someone might. this is what computer desk coaches (like all of us) do. BTW we are 6-2 with 2 of our 3 weakest teams remaining on the schedule ...so 'lighten up Francis'. This weekend is for the conference crown and a home play-off game. Simply put:
-If we finish out 3-0 we host a play-off game or 2.
-If we go 2-1 we are in and we travel.
-If we go 1-2 or 0-3 we are out of the play-off hunt.
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It's great to have hope; but I don't really expect a rusty Hunter Wells making wonderful passes to inept receivers who don't seem to get open and sometimes drop passes right in their hands. We don't seem to use "timed passes" that is: the QB and the receiver have a predetermined spot. The QB throws to that spot prior to the receiver actually being there yet. This has to be practiced often to be effective. These passes are usually "curl" passes designed for 7-15 yds.
I see some hope with a wonderful defensive unit, but can the offense seize the opportunities? This maybe the least effective YSU offense team that I have seen in over 50 years of watching YSU football.
NDSU 20 YSU 13
I hope I'm wrong!
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I am going to go out on a limb and predict 28-24 Good Guys. The best D we have had (by far) was Heacock's 1994. They set an NCAA record that may still stand at 8.5 (or 9.5) points-per-game allowed. I hope it was 1994, I will need to look that up. This year we have a D that is predominantly over-achieving and an O that is predominantly under-achieving. Overall I really expect Carl's D to be even better (or at least more talented) next year, but we lose a couple of ends that this year's D is built on; so we do not want to blow the opportunity those two afford us. On O, we need to trust the staff and see if this line and Wells can get it together. I would like to see the offense stay with select receivers that are used to Wells throwing. I love Jodi, but perhaps we try sets where he is not a 1st-down back. Ryan's hands are pretty good. I do not expect Wells to light the world on fire this weekend, but I think he will improve this offense. Again ...special teams is everything tomorrow.
1994 was the BEST DEFENSE at YSU!! I might be a little bias!
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NDSU 24
YSU 13
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Win the battle up front and control the time of possession.
YSU. 16
NDSU 14
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I am going to go out on a limb and predict 28-24 Good Guys. The best D we have had (by far) was Heacock's 1994. They set an NCAA record that may still stand at 8.5 (or 9.5) points-per-game allowed. I hope it was 1994, I will need to look that up. This year we have a D that is predominantly over-achieving and an O that is predominantly under-achieving. Overall I really expect Carl's D to be even better (or at least more talented) next year, but we lose a couple of ends that this year's D is built on; so we do not want to blow the opportunity those two afford us. On O, we need to trust the staff and see if this line and Wells can get it together. I would like to see the offense stay with select receivers that are used to Wells throwing. I love Jodi, but perhaps we try sets where he is not a 1st-down back. Ryan's hands are pretty good. I do not expect Wells to light the world on fire this weekend, but I think he will improve this offense. Again ...special teams is everything tomorrow.
1994 was the BEST DEFENSE at YSU!! I might be a little bias!
You earned the right!
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ndsu 27
ysu 9
i changed my prediction after seeing NDSU Warming up.... they are fired up!!!
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Big injuries for YSU: Ricky Davis didn't even travel, Jameel Smith out, Zac Kennedy with a groin injury.
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Our offensive problems in the red zone has been going on since Monty has been here. It's not Davis, Wells, or Hess. Its Montgomery.
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Our offensive problems in the red zone has been going on since Monty has been here. It's not Davis, Wells, or Hess. Its Montgomery.
Plus 1^^ how in the hell is this guy keeping his job?
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Welp. Can we sneak into the playoffs with 2 wins in the next 2 weeks ?
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Welp. Can we sneak into the playoffs with 2 wins in the next 2 weeks ?
MO ST and SIU are actually decent no Indy state.
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Our offensive problems in the red zone has been going on since Monty has been here. It's not Davis, Wells, or Hess. Its Montgomery.
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Our offensive problems in the red zone has been going on since Monty has been here. It's not Davis, Wells, or Hess. Its Montgomery.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^