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Today's Vindicator released an article re: the 2014 FB schedule. Knowing that an 8-4 record will unlikely result in a post-season invite, it seems that significant off-season improvements are necessary, as this schedule is more challenging than the 2013 schedule.
Instead of playing the -DSU's at home (where we lost both), we are playing them in far away lands in front of inhospitable crowds. If we fall to those teams again, and Illinois, than we must otherwise run the table.
The Illinois game, who SIU lost only by 8 last season, will be a bellwether game, and is a must win to avoid the necessity of running the table against non-DSU schools. This is a tall order for a HC in a do-or-die season.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/jan/29/ysu-football-schedule-features--home-gam/
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NDSU had a lot of seniors this year, new starters and new coaching staff bring questions, If we find a solid qb that game can be ours.
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I hope YSU wises up and plays the 1st three home games at night. 7pm start times are great and seems to bring out more fans than the 4pm or 6pm times. You know the athletic dept reads these posts so play at 7pm Mr. Strollo. Then actually market the game then. Novel idea!
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The issue is that the current marketing manager is "dead weight" and needs to retire. This job needs to be given to a degreed person with a proven track record in marketing and sales. Their resume must also show success with a limited budget. That is what we need.
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These home games suck. Let's just say it now.
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These home games suck. Let's just say it now.
That is debatable 05. Even so we have to appreciate where Pride is coming from. late starts mean time to get a few things done at home ..and then tailgate. It is easier to get the kids out to their tailgate sections as well.
I wish the schools would not sell booze & allow us to bring it. Then expand tailgate hours to include after early games. I know they are at risk right now.
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Similar schedule as last year -- lots of weenies early and and a tough stretch to finish.
As for QB, YSU is in trouble. Still hoping they get a Juco or transfer coming in. Otherwise the O has to change with the limited abilities here now.
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Similar schedule as last year -- lots of weenies early and and a tough stretch to finish.
As for QB, YSU is in trouble. Still hoping they get a Juco or transfer coming in. Otherwise the O has to change with the limited abilities here now.
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I understand scheduling is not easy. Also understand the importance of having at least 6 or 7 home games from a $$$$ standpoint to keep the people who have lodges happy.
With that being said, I think this current model of playing 3 teams from the Pioneer and Northeast ought to be scrapped. Playing 2 games like this is fine, especially with the team playing a $$$$ game on the road. Replace the 3rd with a game against a decent school from a full scholarship FCS Conference. Does NOT have to be a great team, just a team that will provide better competition, and also help with the selection committee come playoff time.
Maybe rotate the 2 Pioneer/NEC games at home among Robert Morris, Duquesne, Valpo, and Dayton. These are schools with whom YSU has played/plays in several sports, and has for many years. They are also regional. Then try and play a team from the OVC or Colonial with the 3rd FCS game. Might have to do a home-home, but when this game is on the road, YSU will still have 6 home games.
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Lets_Talk - FCS does not have 12 games every year. Only in those years where there are a certain number of Saturdays between Labor Day and Thanksgiving. With Labor Day being September 1 this year and Thanksgiving being so late last yer, 2013 and 2014 are two of those year.
Pretty sure we go back to 11 in 2015. Might be wrong and maybe it has changed.
I agree with your basic premise - just not sure that its possible to have the 6/6 split.
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I forgot about FCS teams only being allowed 12 games in certain years. Thank you for pointing this out.
So, that might mean only 5 home games in certain seasons. I can see how that would bother some people, but this could be offset by having YSU make the playoffs and host at least 1 game, thus making 6 home games.
Again, just a thought, and I understand the concern on part of Ron Strollo to keep the loge holders happy, as that money makes up most of the departments funding for scholarships. At least that is how I understand the money from loges works.
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Talk and Indy,
If we could just forget about 7 home games, there are ways to always play 6 and yet schedule one full scholarship OOC opponent. In the first case, find a team that draws poorly and often plays only 5 home games. For example, new CAA member Albany. Offer to schedule a home-and-home with them provided that they come to Youngstown in a year with the 11 game limit. We would go there during the 12 game season. So in this example, we play at Albany next year and still have 6 home games. In 2015, they come to us. In the second case, just buy a home game from a Delaware State or a Morgan State in 11 game seasons like we did during the Tressel years. Either way, as Lets Talk stated, 3 OOC partial or no scholarship opponents does us go good in the ratings or in the stands.
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Maybe rotate the 2 Pioneer/NEC games at home among Robert Morris, Duquesne, Valpo, and Dayton. These are schools with whom YSU has played/plays in several sports, and has for many years. They are also regional. Then try and play a team from the OVC or Colonial with the 3rd FCS game. Might have to do a home-home, but when this game is on the road, YSU will still have 6 home games.
This has been mentioned several times and I think it is great idea. I would go to any of those games & the Pittsburgh area games are close to being home games. We are never going to get any of the black colleges (Morgan state or Delaware state) as they all have special games each year. We would have to play a substantial team. I have no problem with these partial scholarship teams, as they are all going full scholarship as some point. Wick, I feel that fans would recognize any of those teams that Talk mentioned before MSU or DSU.
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Talk and Indy,
If we could just forget about 7 home games, there are ways to always play 6 and yet schedule one full scholarship OOC opponent. In the first case, find a team that draws poorly and often plays only 5 home games. For example, new CAA member Albany. Offer to schedule a home-and-home with them provided that they come to Youngstown in a year with the 11 game limit. We would go there during the 12 game season. So in this example, we play at Albany next year and still have 6 home games. In 2015, they come to us. In the second case, just buy a home game from a Delaware State or a Morgan State in 11 game seasons like we did during the Tressel years. Either way, as Lets Talk stated, 3 OOC partial or no scholarship opponents does us go good in the ratings or in the stands.
Good Post. They need to get agressive in scheduling.
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YSU at NDSU is gonna be a physical throw down!
Holy smokes pad your stats games here >>>>Duquesne (Sept. 6), Butler (Sept. 13) and Saint Francis (Sept. 20).
Guaranteed 3-1 start!
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Does anyone know how far in advance these schedules are made and the purpose of scheduling these seemingly week out of conference games?
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Does anyone know how far in advance these schedules are made and the purpose of scheduling these seemingly week out of conference games?
Desire to have 6 or 7 home games and not having enough money to buy home games from teams from higher rated conferences. YSU would not go on the road to an FCS team on a one year contract.
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One cannot defend the OOC schedule. I talked to Joe Scalzo about it and he told me he asked Strollo about the OOC scheduling a few weeks ago. According to Scalzo, Strollo told him that the OOC schedule doesn't matter when playoff teams are being determined and that the conference schedule is what matters.
Of course Scalzo and myself and I know many others disagree with Strollo's view on the OOC schedule. To me, YSU should play one OOC game against a good FCS team-preferably one that has tradition and is recognizable to fans. Even if YSU does a home and home with a good FCS team that is far better than playing 3 cupcakes.
I wouldn't even mind playing 2 money games instead of three teams that generate no interest. YSU needs to try anything it can to get more people interested in the program.
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I wouldn't even mind playing 2 money games instead of three teams that generate no interest. YSU needs to try anything it can to get more people interested in the program.
+1 on your comments ray...however I think even finding one money game is becoming more difficult for schools like YSU. To some of the FCS schools we are considered the cupcake to their schedule also.
Whomever is in charge of promoting YSU and their sports teams should spend some time taking the place of Pete on a Stick.
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Compare our schedule to N. Iowa's. For the second consecutive season N. Iowa plays two FBS schools-this upcoming season they play Iowa and Hawaii on the road. The other OOC games are Morgan State and N. Colorado at home. That is a very respectable schedule. Now compare that to ours. I don't get it. Any wonder why people aren't interested?
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I'm not buying that the OOC schedule does not matter when at-large teams are being selected for the playoffs. Could it be possible that Ron Strollo misunderstood the question from Scalzo (or vice versa), and Ron's response was in regard to YSU missing the playoffs because of not winning enough games in the GFC.
One more conference win in each of the past 2 seasons, plus multiple times when Heacock was HC, and YSU would have been selected as an at-large team. Off top of my head, I know this would have been the case in 01, 02, and 05 with Heacock.
As for OOC schedule, I think playing 2 FBS teams would be okay, but do not advise that in a season with 12 games unless playing the other 2 OOC games against non/partial scholarship FCS teams at home. With the expanded playoffs, I definitely think a team from the GFC with a record of 7-5/5-3 could be selected for an at-large bid to playoffs if 2 of the losses were against FCS teams on the road. But, alot would also depend on where they finish in the GFC. To be assured of a playoff spot in the coming season, UNI is either going to need a win against 1 of the FBS teams, or go 6-2 in the GFC.
UNI has over scheduled themselves OUT of the playoffs before, as have a few other FCS teams
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I would first point out that we had planned on two IA/FBS teams, but Wisconsin fell through. Secondly, who would not love to play Hawaii? The NCAA picks up the tab for trip to a vacation spot. The NCAA has always sponsored Hawaii football because of it's distance and the extreme cost to travel there. Most all of the Southland teams have been playing 2 FBS teams for several years now. I am really not in favor of it, or playing IA/FBS teams in general. Waste of time.
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I would first point out that we had planned on two IA/FBS teams, but Wisconsin fell through. Secondly, who would not love to play Hawaii? The NCAA picks up the tab for trip to a vacation spot. The NCAA has always sponsored Hawaii football because of it's distance and the extreme cost to travel there. Most all of the Southland teams have been playing 2 FBS teams for several years now. I am really not in favor of it, or playing IA/FBS teams in general. Waste of time.
I'd rather play 2 FBS schools rather than the Duquesne and Butler's of the world. No question.
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Yes 0505, but if we were not allowed to play up or down a division (which I favor), you would be happy to play Duquesne, RMU and U.D. every year.
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If we where not allowed to play up or down then we should only be allowed to play full scholarship fcs teams. We should not be able to play partial scholarship fcs teams-that is still playing down. Aren't those some of those schools we have been playing partial scholarship schools?
Perhaps the ncaa should only allow fbs teams from power conferences to play only other power conference teams. Only mid majors can play mid majors. Only full scholarship fcs can play full scholarship fcs. Only partial scholarship can play partial
Scholarship and so on and so forth. Maybe there needs to be more levels of football.