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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: Train on October 17, 2013, 04:28:02 PM
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What's the over / under on the Attendance for Saturday's game..?....
8,000...?....
What are the fans going to do...wait until YSU rolls into the the ND St. game at 9-1 before they start supporting this team.....
I read a number of posts early in the season of people bashing this team...enough is enough...lets rally and enjoy this ride...this team is solid...
I think they are poised to make a run this year....they have to stay somewhat healthy....
Lets get out to the games and start supporting this team....the attendance has been laughable
this year..!!!....
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I`ll be there rooting on the Guins!! :)
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YGUINS1.....whats your attendence guess..?..
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Will be there tailgating and watching game from the loge. GO GUINS
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Penguin. Playbook is on 570 right now. For the out of towners you can listen on iheart radio.
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Well their is absolutely no social media blitz for this one like there was for last week. Perhaps they are hoping that for the simple fact it is Homecoming, people will come out. I think the fact it is a weaker league opponent and OSU plays at 3:30pm, it won't be nearly as big as last week.
It be nice to get 14-15k actual butts in the seats....
My guess is they are going to go absolutely all out for the North Dakota State game in November due to the fact Tressel is getting inducted into the YSU HOF. That was has the makings of a sellout a month out IF we take care of business.
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I'm gonna say 12-13
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The Vindicator bought plenty of seats for this game and distributed them at the Canfield Fair. Handel's ice cream is giving a voucher for each purchase. That plus homecoming and a winning team should lead to a good ticket pre-sale. However, the weather forecast is very bad. And casual fans don't show up in the rain.
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Train,
When you scolded people about attendance, I decided to look something up. Turns out attendance in the "Golden Age" was really nothing to brag about. In 1991, the figure was 11,619. Even after that championship, 1992 produced at average of only 11,935. Even worse was 1993 when the figure dropped to 10,717. It took two titles and three consecutive championship game appearances to climb over 15k when we drew 16,181 in 1994. We averaged over 18k only once, in Tressel's final season in 2000, when the figure was 18,109.
I think that we are guilty of remembering selective large crowds and pretending that they were normal. We have never drawn as consistently well as a Delaware or a Montana. We are, however, in the top 15% for FCS schools on a yearly basis, and for that we should be grateful.
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what has been the average attendance over the last 5 years..?...
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what has been the average attendance over the last 5 years..?...
From the media guide. The east side stands were added prior to the 1997 season.
STAMBAUGH STADIUM YEAR-BY-YEAR
1982 8,648
1983 6,215
1984 8,574
1985 8,328
1986 8,481
1987 8,685
1988 7,305
1989 7,789
1990 12,666
1991 11,619
1992 11,935
1993 10,717
1994 16,181
1995 13,135
1996 12,585
1997 14,721
1998 16,303
1999 16,765
2000 18,109
2001 16,319
2002 17,174
2003 16,004
2004 14,670
2005 14,544
2006 15,159
2007 16,149
2008 14,497
2009 14,054
2010 15,110
2011 13,811
2012 14,038
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Let's keep increasing that number!!
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We do what we are capable of doing... we should have a sell-out November 9th!
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We do what we are capable of doing... we should have a sell-out November 9th!
The good people of Northern Iowa would be very happy with a sellout November 9th considering that's where we play
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We do what we are capable of doing... we should have a sell-out November 9th!
The good people of Northern Iowa would be very happy with a sellout November 9th considering that's where we play
Forgot the bye week next week! NOVEMBER 16TH!
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The good people of Northern Iowa would be very happy with a sellout November 9th considering that's where we play
Speaking of UNI - I hope to make the trip. Does anyone know where the team/Penguin fans stay and road updates?
Will be there (YSU) tomorrow - rain or shine
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YSU is giving away tickets for this game literally
saw the handles on mahoning ave in austintown, at least today, is giving away a free ticket for the game
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YSU is giving away nothing. Handel's bought the tickets and is distributing them to their customers. So did the Vindicator. The majority of professional sports season tickets are purchased by corporations and given to their clients or their employees. Glad we are doing this. Should try to do more of it.
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YSU is giving away nothing. Handel's bought the tickets and is distributing them to their customers. So did the Vindicator. The majority of professional sports season tickets are purchased by corporations and given to their clients or their employees. Glad we are doing this. Should try to do more of it.
you're lying, as usual.
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You know what, I'm jumping in the car and coming up to the game today. Rain or not! I don't get many Saturday nights off... I'm off today and just decided that I am going to watch the Penguins roll to 7-1. Bring on the weather, I ain't scared!
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YSU is giving away nothing. Handel's bought the tickets and is distributing them to their customers. So did the Vindicator. The majority of professional sports season tickets are purchased by corporations and given to their clients or their employees. Glad we are doing this. Should try to do more of it.
you're lying, as usual.
They buy tickets, albeit at a discounted price.... But at the end of the day they do BUY the tickets. He is in no way lying.
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YSU is giving away nothing. Handel's bought the tickets and is distributing them to their customers. So did the Vindicator. The majority of professional sports season tickets are purchased by corporations and given to their clients or their employees. Glad we are doing this. Should try to do more of it.
you're lying, as usual.
They buy tickets, albeit at a discounted price.... But at the end of the day they do BUY the tickets. He is in no way lying.
wrong
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YSU is giving away nothing. Handel's bought the tickets and is distributing them to their customers. So did the Vindicator. The majority of professional sports season tickets are purchased by corporations and given to their clients or their employees. Glad we are doing this. Should try to do more of it.
you're lying, as usual.
They buy tickets, albeit at a discounted price.... But at the end of the day they do BUY the tickets. He is in no way lying.
wrong
No, your wrong. They actually do buy the tickets. They aren't give away for free by YSU.
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it would be interesting to see what the actual price is. Too many years of 2 for 1 price tickets Schwebel bread tickets and other cut rate promos. Public is always looking for a cheapo deal. I look for a down day attendance wise. Tickets sold (?) probably higher.
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it would be interesting to see what the actual price is. Too many years of 2 for 1 price tickets Schwebel bread tickets and other cut rate promos. Public is always looking for a cheapo deal. I look for a down day attendance wise. Tickets sold (?) probably higher.
That I do not know. I do know all the corporate tailgates buy tix as part of their corporate tailgate day down at YSU. I'd imagine it is based on quantity, ie 50 @ $8, 100 @ $7???
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What a pathetic crowd! Come on people this team is 7-1, 4-0 in the league.
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What a pathetic crowd! Come on people this team is 7-1, 4-0 in the league.
Totally agree--but considering the weather there were more there than I expected.
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What a pathetic crowd! Come on people this team is 7-1, 4-0 in the league.
Agreed, crowd was embarrassing, no excuse. Big deal it rained for a while, rain gear is cheap. Team deserves better, really ticks me off.
Also why in the world would Dave Sess get married the day of a game? Give me a break!
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What a pathetic crowd! Come on people this team is 7-1, 4-0 in the league.
Agreed, crowd was embarrassing, no excuse. Big deal it rained for a while, rain gear is cheap. Team deserves better, really ticks me off.
Also why in the world would Dave Sess get married the day of a game? Give me a break!
Lol. Like he had a choice
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Wasn't at all surprised. Naturally the rain had to start 45 minutes prior to kick.
At the end of the day we won. I think we all stress out a bit too much about the crowd... We got four weeks to pack 20,000 into Stambaugh for North Dakota State. Let's all do our part and fill this place up.
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we had one prediction of 12,000 fans....had someone else post that the average attendance numbers were 15,000 per game...
NOW...have there been actually 15,000 combined fans at all of our home games to date..?....total....!!...
actual people...with heartbeats....and a pulse...
I took a picture of the crowd....wish i know how to post it here...bla...bla bla...it rained...whatever...been to a high school game with worse rain...and 3 x the fans...
this team deserves some support...
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If the athletic department is concerned about attendance, they need to do two things for next season.
First, stop televising the home games. Far too many people stay home and watch the replay.
Second, play the entire schedule at 7:00. My guess is we lose at least 2,000 people each game because family related activities are not concluded in time for the 4:00 starts. Try it for one year. The athletic department might be shocked by the result.
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Wick:
Question: Doesn't YSU get money from their televised games?
I heard the parents of one of the players say that they preferred the earlier games since they had a long
(4 hr.) drive home. I thought in one of the interviews, Kurt Hess said that he would prefer to play the game sooner in the day.
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A number of years ago, I got on here and promoted the idea that it was way past due to fire the coach be cause we weren't making the playoffs. Attendance dropped and never returned ( butts in seats). The lesson is when you don't meet your standard, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT !
Attendance isn't going to return until the playoffs come on a regular basis. Lots of disappointments with the past few years as the rebuild has been slow and faulty. Yep, you will get some businesses suckered into buying up some tickets, but game day will see few of them filled with butts . People who have an expectation of making the playoffs near annually will return. But so far there is nothing to brag about and the previous coach killed this program royally.
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^^^^ Agree with the above. Well said. The impact of the former HC's and current AD's neglect of the FB program has had a long term effect on attendance. These fans simply found something better to do than spend valuable time and money on a mediocre product. The impact on local businesses must be significant. I agree that a couple of years of playoffs will bring most back, although he population has declined since the championship era.
Also, when a stadium seats 20,630 and the ratio of empty seats : occupied ones looks ~8:1.....I'm not going to believe attendance figures of 12K. Nice try.
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I know many of you do not want to hear this, but here goes:
I believe the real problem for YSU mediocre attendance is: many of the faithful fans of the 1990's are a lot older; also many have moved away from the area (like me). I remember the stadium in the 90's being filled and the place was rocking with great excitement!
Now many of the remaining fans are dedicated Ohio State and Penn State fans because of their preeminence in the bowl series format and usually their winning records. Many of these fans thinks YSU football is minor league. Many on this board like the playoff format (FCS) and expects YSU to be chosen every year, but that has been far and few times since the Tressel era.
I believe they can get back to averaging 13-15,000 fans in the current format, but they have to have several good playoff years were they go deep into the playoffs and have good weather.
Their best chance to get a larger fan base is the BSC format. Yes, it will cost a lot more money, but it allows YSU to play recognized schools and sets up all important game rivalries (which we do not have currently). Just look at the schools that have went to the BSC format since the Tressel years: Boise State, Marshall, Fla. Atlantic, Nevada, UCF, Fla. International, North Texas, Connecticut, UMass, South Fla., Western Ky., Ga. State, UTSA, Idaho, Troy, Appalachian St., Ga. Southern and the list goes on. Why?? Because they get to play the big named schools, get a lot more recognition via TV and media plus they make a lot more money!!!!
What ever happens, I will remain a YSU fan!
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While I sure don't want to have that conversation again, this article what posetd today. I don't think many of the schools that moved up are making more profit. They may bring in more, but they spent more - and in the case of UMass - a lot more than they planned to.
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2013/10/21/should-james-madison-university-move-to-fbs/ (http://businessofcollegesports.com/2013/10/21/should-james-madison-university-move-to-fbs/)
Lots of reasons I can see for declining attendance
#1 - too many poor seasons with no playoffs - both the current and former coaching regimes at issue here.
#2 - the graying population. I moved 17 years ago - and everyone who had season tickets near me had hair that was as gray as mine is now.
#3 - people are cheap. Everyone is looking for the free ticket - or the free game on TV. They would rather spend a fraction of the cost to go to a high school game on Friday night, then stay home and watch the Buckeyes on Saturday and then catch the YSU replay.
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ScarletRook,
To answer your question about local tv money, I just don't know. It would have to be considerable since free tv certainly kills attendance.
Paladin,
Agree. I see an interesting parallel between YSU football and the Cleveland Indians. The Dolan family bought the Indians at roughly the same time that Tressel left YSU. What followed for both teams was over a decade of losing and frustration, with each unit making only a single playoff appearance. Now the Indians won 92 games under a new manager but attendance was terrible. YSU football is 7-1 but attendance does not meet expectations. Both will need sustained success to rebuild the fan base.
OleYSUfan,
As I posted earlier, our memories about the 90s are highly selective. There were some big crowds and great atmospheres, but the attendance figures in the media guide suggest that, overall, we did not draw all that well.
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Wick
The Dolans were cheapskates and made poor personnel moves to save a few bucks. Awful owners. Cleveland is a gold mine for Pro owners who usually screw over the fans in the quest to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$. YSU took too long to pull the plug on Heacock and of course, the AD is no good , adding to all that. The crowds are gone , just like the playoffs. One follows the other.
Crowds will return as everyone loves a winner. But a winner here is the playoffs, not weak sister teams stuffed into the schedule for easy wins. Public isn't that dumb.
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I have mixed thoughts about the game being televised the same night. I like it because it allows me to see the game twice, but I also believe as some have posted that it makes it too easy for the casual fan to do something else during the day, save the price of the ticket and watch the game in your favorite chair. And if we lost the game they will watch something else. My hope is that we make some money for the rights and that some people might like what they see and start coming to the game.
I could make a case for any starting time, I would just like for all of the games to be at the same time. 4:00 would be my pick, allows for travel, can get things done around the house before the game and stop for something to eat after the game.
I think that the 7:00 start has problems because of the perception of safety while being in the city after dark. I have only missed maybe 4 home games since 1974 and I have NEVER had any such problem, but I believe it would concern some.
As I recall even during the "Glory Years" we were not filling ever seat until after the 1st or 2nd NC. It is a tough, fickle crowd. If you win and win and win the "fans" will come.
Ticket prices play into it also, population in the area is shrinking and good paying jobs are scarce. Tickets, parking and concessions add up for some folks, especially when you can watch it later at home.
At some point during our 90's run it became fashionable to be at the games, it was the happening place to be. formally casual fans were hooked.
There are more students living on campus but most still commute, That second drive in seems to be a problem for them. I saw a few games while a student but did not get hooked until my last year so I can understand somewhat.
Sure wish I had a magic wand but it just is not a simple fix, I do know that butts in the seats helps the team and recruiting. Grab your friends, your kids, coworkers, etc and fill the place.
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I have mixed thoughts about the game being televised the same night. I like it because it allows me to see the game twice, but I also believe as some have posted that it makes it too easy for the casual fan to do something else during the day, save the price of the ticket and watch the game in your favorite chair. And if we lost the game they will watch something else. My hope is that we make some money for the rights and that some people might like what they see and start coming to the game.
I could make a case for any starting time, I would just like for all of the games to be at the same time. 4:00 would be my pick, allows for travel, can get things done around the house before the game and stop for something to eat after the game.
I think that the 7:00 start has problems because of the perception of safety while being in the city after dark. I have only missed maybe 4 home games since 1974 and I have NEVER had any such problem, but I believe it would concern some.
As I recall even during the "Glory Years" we were not filling ever seat until after the 1st or 2nd NC. It is a tough, fickle crowd. If you win and win and win the "fans" will come.
Ticket prices play into it also, population in the area is shrinking and good paying jobs are scarce. Tickets, parking and concessions add up for some folks, especially when you can watch it later at home.
At some point during our 90's run it became fashionable to be at the games, it was the happening place to be. formally casual fans were hooked.
There are more students living on campus but most still commute, That second drive in seems to be a problem for them. I saw a few games while a student but did not get hooked until my last year so I can understand somewhat.
Sure wish I had a magic wand but it just is not a simple fix, I do know that butts in the seats helps the team and recruiting. Grab your friends, your kids, coworkers, etc and fill the place.
Gimme a break. Can't go to a football game at night because of safety concerns.... Campus is one of the safest places in the city... I LOVE night games
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I have mixed thoughts about the game being televised the same night. I like it because it allows me to see the game twice, but I also believe as some have posted that it makes it too easy for the casual fan to do something else during the day, save the price of the ticket and watch the game in your favorite chair. And if we lost the game they will watch something else. My hope is that we make some money for the rights and that some people might like what they see and start coming to the game.
I could make a case for any starting time, I would just like for all of the games to be at the same time. 4:00 would be my pick, allows for travel, can get things done around the house before the game and stop for something to eat after the game.
I think that the 7:00 start has problems because of the perception of safety while being in the city after dark. I have only missed maybe 4 home games since 1974 and I have NEVER had any such problem, but I believe it would concern some.
As I recall even during the "Glory Years" we were not filling ever seat until after the 1st or 2nd NC. It is a tough, fickle crowd. If you win and win and win the "fans" will come.
Ticket prices play into it also, population in the area is shrinking and good paying jobs are scarce. Tickets, parking and concessions add up for some folks, especially when you can watch it later at home.
At some point during our 90's run it became fashionable to be at the games, it was the happening place to be. formally casual fans were hooked.
There are more students living on campus but most still commute, That second drive in seems to be a problem for them. I saw a few games while a student but did not get hooked until my last year so I can understand somewhat.
Sure wish I had a magic wand but it just is not a simple fix, I do know that butts in the seats helps the team and recruiting. Grab your friends, your kids, coworkers, etc and fill the place.
Gimme a break. Can't go to a football game at night because of safety concerns.... Campus is one of the safest places in the city... I LOVE night games
You are correct the campus is very safe, I go to night games, even stated that I have NEVER had a problem.
I have had people tell me that they do not feel comfortable getting to and from campus. mostly folks older than I and when asked, they all admitted that they have NEVER had a problem, to some perception is reality.
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I have mixed thoughts about the game being televised the same night. I like it because it allows me to see the game twice, but I also believe as some have posted that it makes it too easy for the casual fan to do something else during the day, save the price of the ticket and watch the game in your favorite chair. And if we lost the game they will watch something else. My hope is that we make some money for the rights and that some people might like what they see and start coming to the game.
I could make a case for any starting time, I would just like for all of the games to be at the same time. 4:00 would be my pick, allows for travel, can get things done around the house before the game and stop for something to eat after the game.
I think that the 7:00 start has problems because of the perception of safety while being in the city after dark. I have only missed maybe 4 home games since 1974 and I have NEVER had any such problem, but I believe it would concern some.
As I recall even during the "Glory Years" we were not filling ever seat until after the 1st or 2nd NC. It is a tough, fickle crowd. If you win and win and win the "fans" will come.
Ticket prices play into it also, population in the area is shrinking and good paying jobs are scarce. Tickets, parking and concessions add up for some folks, especially when you can watch it later at home.
At some point during our 90's run it became fashionable to be at the games, it was the happening place to be. formally casual fans were hooked.
There are more students living on campus but most still commute, That second drive in seems to be a problem for them. I saw a few games while a student but did not get hooked until my last year so I can understand somewhat.
Sure wish I had a magic wand but it just is not a simple fix, I do know that butts in the seats helps the team and recruiting. Grab your friends, your kids, coworkers, etc and fill the place.
Gimme a break. Can't go to a football game at night because of safety concerns.... Campus is one of the safest places in the city... I LOVE night games
You are correct the campus is very safe, I go to night games, even stated that I have NEVER had a problem.
I have had people tell me that they do not feel comfortable getting to and from campus. mostly folks older than I and when asked, they all admitted that they have NEVER had a problem, to some perception is reality.
I hear what your saying. I personally wish every conference game was at night. The easy W's early in the season can be 4pm
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Stambaugh's average attendance was only reallllllly high in 2000. Other than that many years in the 90s have been comparable with years under Hiccup and Wolford.
The reason it was so "packed" back in the day is we had one side to the stadium and what 12-16 fewer loges. Still those packed crowds were never more than 16-17k.
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The paid attendance hasn't dropped that much since the playoff years. It's the "butts in seats" that has dropped quite a bit. This weekend the paid attendance was listed at 13,600, but there were maybe 5,000 actually there. 10,000 probably would have braved the weather during our peak years. As others have stated, the number 1 draw is a consistent winner.
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I hate to say it but I think 5,000 is about double what was actually had there on Saturday..
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I agree
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I figured I was being a little generous.
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lol...
i hate to say it...i rough counted under 1000 on home side right before kick-off....and took a picture when i got home and watched the replay on TV...I wish I knew how to up-load it to this post..
this is why i started this post.....i know all of the circumstances tied into the low attendance...but the long and short of it is this team...these kids deserve a little more support...the school needs to do a better job of marketing and promotions to do what they can to get people in the seats...
if all of these companies have tickets they purchase as part of packages...and are not using them...then give them to people that can not afford to go to the game...or in the hands of people who are willing to go and support this team...
how do we bridge the gap between Companies / People with unused tickets to get them in the hands of families who would love to go..???.....
I know these companies would much rather give these tickets out then have them not being used...
i am afraid that kids will get turned off playing for YSU because of the fact they rarely get to play in front of
a crowd...it can....and will affect recruiting...
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Same old $hit. Its all about winning. Ohio St or Mt Union? MAKES NO DIFF. Ever see a game at Hiram or Marietta ? lol Or Pitt when they are losing ?
Win and go to the playoffs and the crowd returns. But the past years here have been major disappointments -- no playoffs, .500 teams, etc. Since the previous coach killed the program, with the blessing of the AD, butts in seats have been dropping. And the rebuild hasn't produced a playoff team yet.
The diehards will come, but don't expect the crowds to return until you do what THEY WANT . Until then the announced attendance will always be a joke and your eyeballs will always recognize the truth.
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This team is 7-1.....with the only loss coming at Mich St....
This team has WON...!!!.....
Do you know how many programs would be doing cart-wheels...filling the seats to see a 7-1 team..!!....regardless of the HISTORY....
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no playoffs since...................., Dayton, Duquense, Morehead St., the bottom half of the MVFC, etc. ;D ;D ;D
you keep beating a dead horse.........................
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VALLEYTALK OF COURSE THERE WILL BE A SELL OUT ON NOVEMBER 9TH! HOWEVER NOT TO SUPPORT THE GUINS BUT FOR ALL THE FAIR WEATHER FANS TO SEE THE TWO TIME NATIONAL CHAMP. THE TEAM IS 7-1 AND NO ONE COMES OUT TO SUPPORT THE TEAM. PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THAT WOLFORD'S RECORD IN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS IS MUCH BETTER THAN JIMMY T'S WAS AND THEY WERE BEATING UP ON DIVISION TWO TEAMS EARLY IN HIS CAREER. ALL OF THESE FANS ARE LIKE SCALVO NEGATIVE AND DONT WANT BELIEVE. IF YOU WERE REAL FOOTBALL PEOPLE YOU WOULD BE BACKING THE TEAM AND SEEING THE PROGRESS BEING MADE.
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don't you think people would get excited about jumping on board of a 7-1 team ...?.
as far as some of the cupcakes early on the schedule...had some beautiful weather for the first 2-3 home games...still..... VERY....VERY LOW ACTUAL ATTENDANCE...!!...
what does not making the playoffs have to do with anything..?...
this is a good team...poised to make some noise...Tressy has the D improving weekly...very fun to watch...
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WELL SAID Scalvo ...!.....
I did not know Wolfords record stacked up to JT's in his first 4 years..
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Also....the game on the 9th may be a "Sell Out"....for the Sell outs..!!...
I just can't see how that will happen...I hope I am wrong...It would be great to be a part of that crowd...
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You took the words right out of my Train! "Sell-Outs that will be drinking the playoff Kool-Aid come November 30th. Weather wont matter than it will just be "Fair-Weather" like the fans!!!!!!!!!!! And Scalvo will probably have something negative to write then as well.
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If November 9th is 72 degrees and we win the next 2 games we may draw between 15-18k--would love to be wrong. :(
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It is time to stop b----in about the butts in the seats. There are & always will be the YSU faithful. When my son was in graduate school in NEW York state he made his visits home on home dates. Let the true fans of YSU be there forever. GO YSU*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Karl - I am just asking where the FAITHFUL are at...thats all.....
I would not even consider the home crowds at YSU this year small.....they are non-existent...!!
I am really confused here...
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IF YOU WERE REAL FOOTBALL PEOPLE YOU WOULD BE BACKING THE TEAM AND SEEING THE PROGRESS BEING MADE.
The folks that come to this board are the ones that go to the games. You need to get your message to the casual fans. Maybe calling Ron Verb or writing an editorial to the Vindicator and Tribune.
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In terms of the official numbers (the only ones we have to work with, not like the ones that are made up here), average attendance this year will be less than 16,000 per game even if the last two games draw 19,000. The two lowest games were Dayton (12,018) and Morehead St (13,226). The Thursday night thing clearly didn't work out well--I could imagine lots of people coming up from Dayton on a Saturday. The Morehead St. game, well, what can I say--schedule a opponent that is too weak and people don't come.
As people move out of the Youngstown, it will be harder to fill the seats. YSU needs to do some soul searching about what it wants to accomplish, and if filling the seats is a goal, it needs to pay more attention to scheduling and/or promotion. Strutting around like a Penguin saying stuff like "we play for this town" might stir some of the old timers, but they are dying off. I'm thinking marketing needs a complete makeover.
I'm pretty forgiving to those who didn't show up for the Western Illinois game (13,607). However, the kickoff perception isn't fair, since a number of people, including many diehards, stayed up in the concession area until kickoff or the rain lightened up. It was cold and rainy. Can't blame for people for not wanting to be there since Kurt Hess played like he didn't want to be there, either.
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President Randy Dunn's first hire was a new enrollment chief who has been given complete control over the recruitment of students. Athletics is not his primary priority at this time, but Dunn just might eventually start to ask the same kind of questions about attendance that have been listed in this thread. A new marketing guru just might make perfect sense to him. Remember that Anderson is gone and this man is an outsider who owes nobody anything. If you are a university administrator and you do not perform satisfactorily on either the academic or athletic side, you probably should not be sleeping very well right now.
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If there are not at least 18k in the seats for NDSU.... It's a shame
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Time for a new AD.
Way past time.
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12,000 at the Dayton game....and 13,000 at the Morehead Game...LMAO....!!..
I was at both games....for the sake of this thread....let's please stop throwing around these bull*$!* attendance numbers...
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YSUFAN0505 you are absolutely correct that if we don't have 18,000 it will be a problem. NDSU plays at the FARGODOME and it is all about the crowd there. It will be laughable to the Bison's with the current crowds we have had. They beat K-State in front what 50,000 first game of the season. I agree with Train if they need to give a free ticket and a hot dog to the homeless to put bodies in the seats that day that's what needs to be done. Get them in there rattling those change cups on third downs that would be a sight to see. Let them sleep there the night before if we have too. One of you mentioned an editorial to help. Maybe the HATER could write something positive for once. Wolford should have body slammed him in the press conference a few weeks ago for his phone going off. Might have knocked some sense into him and could see the steps that are being made with the decimated program Wolford took over.
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12,000 at the Dayton game....and 13,000 at the Morehead Game...LMAO....!!..
I was at both games....for the sake of this thread....let's please stop throwing around these bull*$!* attendance numbers...
I think 12,000 was correct for the Dayton game. Maybe even more. I was there as well. Morehead St.... Not so much
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SCALVO - I'm with you ...if YSU is counting as attendance all these corporate tickets....get the brass to start offering them out instead of eating them...I don't give a s*%$ who goes to the game...bandwagon...homeless...high schoolers...get these un-used tickets into the hands of people who want to go to the game...
If you are a corporation who has tix...start a post here...see if it catches on...maybe we can get something going here...
The FARGODOME is a mad-house...
I still think 12,000 for the Dayton game is very generous...and it was a beautiful day...and I believe OSU was off...so there was really no excuse...
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Time for a new AD.
Way past time.
I guess all of those new facilities on a shoestring budget don't mean anything
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how do we bridge the gap between Companies / People with unused tickets to get them in the hands of families who would love to go..???.....
Good question. I knew a fella that used to go to a lot of games with his employer's tickets. I believe the company had 10 or 12, and in the 90's they were all used every week, but after Coach T left half of them would go unused on a weekly basis.
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Time for a new AD.
Way past time.
I guess all of those new facilities on a shoestring budget don't mean anything
Amen. AD is not the problem
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Paladin,
About six years ago, your call for Strollo's head resonated widely given the mess created by Heacock, the murder of the women's basketball program, and the sorry state of men's hoops. But today, with the football team as second best in the toughest FCS league, the basketball team climbing to mid-pack respectability in the Horizon League, and two consecutive good women's hoops hirings, your campaign against Strollo seems a bit silly. The issues now are athletic marketing and the resources wasted on superfluous assistant athletic directors.
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Boy, so many topics in one thread. Sorry to be so long:
Strollo: I think now, and always have, that he does a most excellent job. He is setting YSU up for continued success. Listen to the interviews of ADs during FB and MBB games. You will hear all of them mention WATTS & YSU's campus expansion and how they want to emulate it.
Heacock: Old news, but he did not destroy the program, Like Strollo, he took little & gave back quite a lot. Just not enough. Especially when you consider that either one of our current coordinators make more than coach H and his entire staff ...and this is the first year we have had a decent record. When Tressel was here, we were much more in line with the salaries of other programs, just as we are now with Wolf. Also, there would not have needed to be so much rebuilding had a certain head-coach not forced over 1/3 of the team to quit. You can cover up a wrong by saying they were "dead wood", but people are not stupid. You cannot compare coach H to a couple of terrible WBB coaches.
Crowds: does anyone here remember when the east side was added? it was 1997. So basically, most of Tressel's career here (and all of the "glory years") were in a stadium with a maximum capacity of 16,800 (that 800 is gated standing). So all of those post-season games had about 500-band members and at least twice that number in player/band/staff families & friends. The schools are no longer allowed to pay for these things anymore (band is still allowed to be supplemented, but it has to come from Athletic $$$). I am not going to sit here and say we cannot sell-out games. However, we are Youngstown ...not Marshall; we have more that 1 other DI football team close at hand. I might also add all of those people who seem to eat, sleep and drink HS football. Why don't you go out to the games Friday night and tell them to save their money for YSU? Would it be unreasonable to claim that, in the Mahoning Valley, several times more people go to games on Friday nights than on Saturdays? Tap into the reasons why this is so and you will sell out every YSU game. Some examples:
1. HS games are free or cheap.
2. Rivals are in your blood & right down the street.
3. Families have lived in school districts for multiple generations & there are legacies.
4. You know the players on the field.
5. The media in this town goes crazy over HS games. Why is there not stories on every YSU opponent in the Vindy and Trib every day? If more people read about YSU opponents, they would look down on the field & know the best players. They would feel an association. Will it instantaneously sell subscriptions, ad space and air time? Of course not, it can take years & generations ...but it is the media's obligation.
Scalz(v)o?: You finally have someone that covers YSU & you complain? This is the best coverage by the Vindy since Tressel ...maybe even further back than that. The Trib has been doing better as well. Heck the Trib is the only paper that used to even cover YSU basketball. Can they do more? Along with the rest of the local media ...yes. However as I said above in the terribly-large post ...it is going to take time and faith. The same thing YSU is asking from us.
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Sorry, Wick, but you won't change my mind . The build out of facilities is something most idiot AD accomplish anywhere, given enough time.
I'm not the one quoted in the paper as saying we don't try to win championships here. I wouldn't have extended Heacock. The women BB coach hires were completely stupid and the men ? Jerry ( finally) got more than a .500 season ( barely) and the AD bought the team into a postseason tournament, but Butler left the league and several teams really stunk in the Horizon. "Currently" the FB team is second and of course, no playoffs yet. Since 2000, only ONE playoff season. And we can talk extensively about his poor coach selections overall in the dept. Why do you think the sports future looks" bright" under his" leadership" ? How long will FB be going to playoffs ? How well will BB do in a weaker Horizon ?
The AD has a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG record. Much too early to think of a secure future with him.
But, enjoy. We'll re-visit this, I'm sure.
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Maybe the HATER could write something positive for once.
Scalzo works for the Vindicator, not YSU, so he's not a shill, but I also don't feel he's negative. I read the online articles he posts in the YSU section, as well as the Penguin Insider entries, and I don't recall many negative comments.
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Maybe the HATER could write something positive for once.
Scalzo works for the Vindicator, not YSU, so he's not a shill, but I also don't feel he's negative. I read the online articles he posts in the YSU section, as well as the Penguin Insider entries, and I don't recall many negative comments.
I agree. Scalzo is not negative and he is critical where he should be because he calls it likes he see's it. I think that if he wanted to be negative he could do just that, and he avoids the negative and can be clever at being critical.
However, the Vindicator has as much interest in a big crowd YSU does against NDSU. Good attendence brings a lot more people to read the newspaper. Success breeds success. When YSU was winning NC's I read the sports section every night. When we were losing I may have read the Sunday paper. There was just no sense in having to deal with losing any more than required. Attending the games made me sick enough that I did't want to endure reading about it.
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Maybe the HATER could write something positive for once.
Scalzo works for the Vindicator, not YSU, so he's not a shill, but I also don't feel he's negative. I read the online articles he posts in the YSU section, as well as the Penguin Insider entries, and I don't recall many negative comments.
I love the way Scalzo writes. I really enjoy reading his articles on the team. His style is enjoyable.
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I as well enjoy Scalzo. No problem with him