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As expected, both Matt Crenshaw from IUPUI and Mike Davis from Detroit were let go over the weekend.
Several players from both schools have entered the portal including Detroit's leading scorer Marcus Tankersley, who avg 16.6 a game. I don't know if that's someone YSU would look at or not. They are obviously in need of some guards.
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Add Detroit's Jayden Stone who avg 20.8 ppg. Their starting guards avg 37.4 ppg
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Stone was already a senior. I would want tankersley
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Stone was already a senior. I would want tankersley
Stone still has a year left due to COVID, Tankersley has 2 years left.
2 other IUPUI players have entered bringing them up to 4 in the portal
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I like them both and they both can score the ball . Got to wonder why they couldn't lead Detroit to more than one win. Would coach C take a look ?
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I like them both and they both can score the ball . Got to wonder why they couldn't lead Detroit to more than one win. Would coach C take a look ?
My thoughts exactly.
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I'd take them both. Maybe you get one and the other will follow.
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We have to stop with the one year wonders every year. We don't win in the tournament. Maybe a mix. Let's hope we don't lose any from our roster.
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IUPUI has two of their best players enter the portal in DJ Jackson and Jlynn Counter.
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i am not saying this is or isn't the formula for success but look at Oakland's key contributors. 3 of the top guys have been there 3 or 4 years since day 1. Refreshing to see in this day and age of NCAA and the NIL. Transfers will obviously be a contributing factor but I think having a few "program" guys certainly helps.
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Hopefully we get some HS players and not all portal transfers...one can hope
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We are playing a completely new style of basketball now. Call it portal play if you will. It’s going to do exactly what it did for us. He’s going to give you more wins on average, but there’s no way it’s gonna let you go into any preseason during season, postseason tournament and win. It’s just not there, I expected exactly what happened to us to happen I mean, maybe if we can get a couple more pre-and midseason tournaments under our belt will be more prepared but I still don’t think so. We have to stop making major adjustments to fit our players and start recruiting good players recruit players that fit our system try to go back to the old way as much as possible.
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i am not saying this is or isn't the formula for success but look at Oakland's key contributors. 3 of the top guys have been there 3 or 4 years since day 1. Refreshing to see in this day and age of NCAA and the NIL. Transfers will obviously be a contributing factor but I think having a few "program" guys certainly helps.
Yes I agree. I know Coach has been adamant about getting "old" and staying "old" with guys that know how to win, but he didn't make some comments of late some of these teams having guys that have been there and played together.
I hope we can keep Lovelace and Farmer, but you have to wonder if Lovelace is getting antsy about wanting to start. He was really good at times this year, but a lot of nights didn't contribute much and not a lot of mins.
If Farmer can be a more consistent shooter, he could be a real threat. He's quick and can play good defense.
Can't imagine Dynes and Zorgvol not returning, but you never know.
Obviously need guards and a go to guy that can score. I'd like to see a little more size as well. I think Langdon's size hurt him, kind of reminded me of Shemar
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Farmer I don't see leaving. Lovelace might. As for the bigs who knows. I hope Breland is as good as coach says. Christian redshirted. Crap shoot so far. As of today no none has left or entered the portal which leads me to believe we are not done with the season. Anyone hearing anything about postseason possibilities?
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We obviously have length coming back with Dynes and Zorgvol and a few athletic wings in Lovelace and Farmer. David Wilkerson is supposed to be THE point guard. That is IF they all come back. Not sure what the other 3 frosh provide or if they all stay.
Needs. Another point guard for sure if not two. Need a couple of guys who can be more consistent from the 3 point line and a power forward/banger .
Big list and a list that would not be any different to what other programs also want. Coach has shown the last 2 years that he can go into the portal and deliver the goods.
I'm not there yet with the view that the one year type of transfers will hinder YSU from advancing to a NCAA birth opposed to having guys in the program 3-4 years. I'm all for bringing in talented freshmen and seeing them develop like Michael Akuche did but YSU hasn't historically shown they can. Maybe an exception was DQ who left the program early although I can't think of anyone else that left and it hurt the program.
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From today’s Tribune/Vindy on the state of YSU MBB program/portal
https://www.tribtoday.com/sports/local-sports/2024/03/penguins-continued-upward-trajectory/
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Sounds like he kind of expects some to possibly transfer out of the program. Hopefully not.
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Different times now...Freshman not getting playing time will look to move on. Transfer portal is our best friend and worst enemy. Money biggest issue in keeping players this day and age. It's all money and playing time.
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Obviously doesn't sound like there's any interest in playing in a post-season tourney. I had said in another topic they are bringing back the CIT tournament.
"With Reid, Thompson, Burns and Langdon finishing out their eligibility, YSU will again be the in portal this offseason looking for new additions, especially if some current players decide to transfer to go play elsewhere, which is also a possibility."
Certainly Rush doesn't have another year of eligibility does he? Isn't Bates done too? Sucks he got hurt because I think he could have contributed.
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John Lovelace has entered the portal. Disappointed, but can't say I'm 100%. Seemed like his mins and production dipped the second half of the season
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John Lovelace has entered the portal. Disappointed, but can't say I'm 100%. Seemed like his mins and production dipped the second half of the season
Hate to see a guy who was brought in out of HS leave the program. John started to shoot the ball better from 3 this season and had many sensational put backs and follow up dunks. Talented player who I thought got deserving minutes. This could be a NIL situation were he or his family might got word that he's leaving money on the table. I'm only speculating.
Lovelace was never going to be a banger so his skill set was a wing shooter/slasher. kind of a poor man BJ freeman. His best basketball might be a head of him. Not happy about this but coach C has shown that he can go out and find players. Hopefully he'll find someone as good or better.
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Going to be a big loss. He probably would have started this coming year
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John Lovelace has entered the portal. Disappointed, but can't say I'm 100%. Seemed like his mins and production dipped the second half of the season
Yes. I am disappointed in him leaving also.The entire season, I was pushing for a 6’7” Lovelace over the 5’9” Langdon at guard to compliment Thompson. However, coach preferred Langdon.
He brought lots of energy to the game. With the success of UWM, he might be heading back to his hometown.
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Milwaukee had a nice run in the Horizon tournament . YSU beat UMW twice this season so if he goes there then he'll be Benedict Lovelace in my eyes. I'm hoping he goes out to another conference.
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John Lovelace has entered the portal. Disappointed, but can't say I'm 100%. Seemed like his mins and production dipped the second half of the season
Yes. I am disappointed in him leaving also.The entire season, I was pushing for a 6’7” Lovelace over the 5’9” Langdon at guard to compliment Thompson. However, coach preferred Langdon.
He brought lots of energy to the game. With the success of UWM, he might be heading back to his hometown.
I agree. I was a big fan of Lovelace and was really excited about him going into this season and was hoping he'd stick around. It just felt like we didn't get enough out of him. I liked his energy, his defensive ability, and I thought his shooting improved. Coach always talked highly of him as well. He was averaging 10 points a game & scored in double figures 4 times through the first 11 games, but only got in double figures 2 times in the final 21 games and his ppg dropped to 6.6. He only scored a total of 4 points combined in the final 3 games.
Langdon brought leadership, but his size was an issue and struggled shooting the ball. I don't know if the year off from basketball hurt him or not. I honestly would have rather had Shermar stay, but I think his size and injury last year cut his playing time down.
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Tahj Staveskie entered the portal . He was the starting pg for Canisius his freshmen year. If you guys remembered he was taking it to us early(2 years ago) in that game and really looked good. Not sure if he was injured or it was something else but he didn't play this season.
Being from Sandusky Ohio there could be some interest. Would coach kick the tires ?
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So DJ Burns has another year of eligibility!? https://twitter.com/underratedd__/status/1770104649544012062 (https://twitter.com/underratedd__/status/1770104649544012062)
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these kids change schools like they do underwear, my God.
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So DJ Burns has another year of eligibility!? https://twitter.com/underratedd__/status/1770104649544012062 (https://twitter.com/underratedd__/status/1770104649544012062)
so is he staying or going
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these kids change schools like they do underwear, my God.
Can’t blame the kids looking for more $$$ with the highest nil. Money speaks, specially for those with very little or no chance making the NBA.
Make the maximum nil $$ and possibly play a few years oversea. Get all the money available, then go on with the regular profession.
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So DJ Burns has another year of eligibility!? https://twitter.com/underratedd__/status/1770104649544012062 (https://twitter.com/underratedd__/status/1770104649544012062)
so is he staying or going
Looks like he is entering the portal and the draft simultaneously. He implies he could go to another school with his additional eligibility if he is not drafted.
Personally, I wish him luck. At 6’6”, chance of becoming a dominant rebounder in NBA is virtually slim and none. He probably could continue his game oversea.
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I didn't think DJ had another year of eligibility, at least that's what we were made to believe. Looking back at his career stats, he only played in 6 games (started 4) during the 2020-2021 COVID season. Not sure if he was injured or what. So maybe it was a deal like Garrett Covington getting a 6th year. It's just odd it was assumed and basically talked about that this was it for him.
We're basically to the point where if a school gets 2 years out of a player that's a lot.
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I guess that even if he is in the portal he can always stay if he changes his mind. Either way I wish him the best
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I guess that even if he is in the portal he can always stay if he changes his mind. Either way I wish him the best
True, that is what Garrett Covington did for his 6th year, but he was a YSU lifer.
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Didn't know he had another year. It's bothersome that he's not electing to stay so I guess he's looking at his options and I can't blame him. He can go pro over seas and get paid or with his rebounding ability he can go to a high major and receive a better NIL compensation than YSU could pay.
It's a new reality in college basketball and we all need to get used to any decent player that develops at YSU will look to the open market when the season concludes.
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"It's a new reality in college basketball and we all need to get used to any decent player that develops at YSU will look to the open market when the season concludes."
Money is ruining college sports, change is not always for the better.
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Anthony Breland just entered the portal. Male that three.
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Make not male
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Everyday I'm losing more and more interest in college sports. Burns...I hardly knew you. How is it possible that athletes can transfer this many times? This system is a run-away-train that is destroying college sports. I can accept one "free" transfer but after that an athlete needs to sit a year. Also, you can only transfer so many college credits, but I doubt if they really care about graduating. I'm sick of all this s#+t. Please tell me how this is making college sports better? Everyone complained about the over-reaching power of the NCAA but I for one miss them.
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for years the complaint was that it was not fair to the athletes that they got nothing but free room and board and a degree, while the school would get all the money. To some degree that was a fair statement, but as often happens in this country anymore in our never-ending quest for fairness to all we have screwed it up bigtime. Not sure that they can get the horses back in the barn.
College sports has lost its innocence and a lot of its appeal.
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Anthony Breland just entered the portal. Male that three.
When the coaching staff decides to redshirt a player I wonder if this the player like Breland is good with it knowing he's on a senior loaded team and you would think he would come back as a red-shirt frosh and EARN playing time. Is there a disconnect? maybe after practicing the player might not see a future on the team and sees himself at a lower level. Perhaps the coach tells him maybe he has deficiencies in his game which they should of known when they recruited him.
I'm throwing a lot out there and maybe over thinking these transfers and don't want to even think that coach C might be tough to play for but I'm not seeing that.
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I'm getting sick of this! Coach recruits his arse off only to have any decent players we get leave! Thanks NCAA! I guess they only want the power schools to prosper while the rest of college sports suffers! Nice!
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Lets hope this is not a trend. When is enough enough
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The NCAA should have learned from Major League Baseball. For years, MLB used the reserve clause to keep their players for as long as they wanted them. The NCAA restrictions weren’t as bad as Major League Baseball but considering that the players received just room, board and tuition when millions were being reaped in by the NCAA and the colleges was extremely unbalanced.
The NCAA when confronted with the amount of money being made by the NCAA and the colleges made no effort to compensate the players. When the courts ruled in the players’ favor, it became like free agency in Major League Baseball…players going to the highest bidder…my team be damned.
If the NCAA had developed a better compensation plan before it went to the courts it may have been able to avoid the runaway freight train it has become.
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The cat is out of the bag now and basically all of the power is with the players. I can't imagine how difficult this is for the coaches. It's no wonder Nick Saban got out.
It's basically turning into pickup teams every year and you're just cheering for the shirt. Hard to get attachments to players when they are basically one and done. If you get 2 years out of a player now that's a lot.
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Comparing to the parallel with the MLB or other professional sports, there are other mechanisms in play to avoid the run away freight trains ( mechanisms such as revenue sharing, salary cap, drafting system…..etc.)
NCAA is trying to accomplish the same goal without these governing mechanisms.
The mid and lower majors are like minor league teams. With the major league teams power 5) paying big $$$ to attract all the top players, it is difficult to compete.
Something will have to be done, otherwise, I am afraid it will eventually destroy college sport as we know it today. More restrictive transfer rule might have be implemented in combination with contractual agreements between players and schools might be needed.
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Nothing could have preserved the tradition of college sports. The insatiable greed of the power conference schools has destroyed the experience for 90% of NCAA institutions. They want all the money and exposure. They want all the spots in post-season tournaments, even the NIT which used to be a worthy prize for mid-majors.
Historically, the NCAA did try to shield the majority of the membership from the greed of the bigs. From the early 1950s until the early 1980s, the NCAA retained a monopoly over the telecasting of football. To protect the gates of all member institutions, the NCAA restricted any school...Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, etc... from appearing on national television more than 3 times in a two year period. The NCAA also distributed the proceeds of the tv contract that it controlled widely among the membership.
That all changed as cable tv injected millions, then billions, into college sports. The University of Georgia sued the NCAA and won back control of its athletic television rights. Soon big time conferences then made deals with the networks with no restrictions on the number of appearances. Notre Dame struck their own deal with NBC. And for 90% of NCAA institutions, no distribution of proceeds and big time games saturating the tv dial on Saturdays, snuffing out attendance.
For the last four decades the NCAA could at least control academic standards and player movement. Now that is also gone. The NCAA no longer has any real authority, as it loses in court every time it tries to interfere with the greedy aspirations of the bigs. It could not even stop Tennessee from using NIL money to lure recruits.
For YSU fans, and those of 90% of the nation's colleges, you now have a choice. As Mudclods noted, just cheer for the YSU shirt and don't worry about the individual who happens to be wearing it (however briefly.) Or just walk away from this corrupt system. For me I will just support the YSU shirt and intensify my hatred for each and all big time greed machines.
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Nothing could have preserved the tradition of college sports. The insatiable greed of the power conference schools has destroyed the experience for 90% of NCAA institutions. They want all the money and exposure. They want all the spots in post-season tournaments, even the NIT which used to be a worthy prize for mid-majors.
Historically, the NCAA did try to shield the majority of the membership from the greed of the bigs. From the early 1950s until the early 1980s, the NCAA retained a monopoly over the telecasting of football. To protect the gates of all member institutions, the NCAA restricted any school...Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, etc... from appearing on national television more than 3 times in a two year period. The NCAA also distributed the proceeds of the tv contract that it controlled widely among the membership.
That all changed as cable tv injected millions, then billions, into college sports. The University of Georgia sued the NCAA and won back control of its athletic television rights. Soon big time conferences then made deals with the networks with no restrictions on the number of appearances. Notre Dame struck their own deal with NBC. And for 90% of NCAA institutions, no distribution of proceeds and big time games saturating the tv dial on Saturdays, snuffing out attendance.
For the last four decades the NCAA could at least control academic standards and player movement. Now that is also gone. The NCAA no longer has any real authority, as it loses in court every time it tries to interfere with the greedy aspirations of the bigs. It could not even stop Tennessee from using NIL money to lure recruits.
For YSU fans, and those of 90% of the nation's colleges, you now have a choice. As Mudclods noted, just cheer for the YSU shirt and don't worry about the individual who happens to be wearing it (however briefly.) Or just walk away from this corrupt system. For me I will just support the YSU shirt and intensify my hatred for each and all big time greed machines.
Excellent post.
I do believe Coach Calhoun has embraced the changes and done a good job at fielding winning teams, but is that as far as it goes with post-season tourneys now becoming unlikely unless YSU can somehow win the tourney? And I do wonder how much longer he'll be at YSU. The WVU job is open and the Duquesne job will be too. I feel like the Beeghly renovations and a spot in the NCAA tourney are things he wants to accomplish at YSU, but money talks.
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Believe it or not, Oakland U. Just took down Kentucky.
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80 - 76! Greg Campi is a great coach. Beat us in the last 5 seconds with a bit of a trick play. He out coaches a lot of coaches. Just show our league was pretty good this year as was YSU. And 3 pointers are what can win big games.
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So happy for Oakland and the Horizon League! YSU lost two close games to Oakland, shows how good we were.
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Believe it or not, Oakland U. Just took down Kentucky.
Sorry to hear that.
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Good win for the Horizon league...keep it going Oakland!!!!
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I think we get a part of the money from Oakland's winnings. That was what happened during Butler's run.
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So happy for Oakland and the Horizon League! YSU lost two close games to Oakland, shows how good we were.
I still have nightmares from that home loss at YSU. The last play, when we were up 2 with 3 seconds left, the guy came around the high pick screen at the top of the key. Our big guy didn’t step to contest the 3 point shot……we lost by 1.
Kentucky should have watched the Oakland game at YSU.where they shot over 80% from the 3…
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So happy for Oakland and the Horizon League! YSU lost two close games to Oakland, shows how good we were.
I still have nightmares from that home loss at YSU. The last play, when we were up 2 with 3 seconds left, the guy came around the high pick screen at the top of the key. Our big guy didn’t step to contest the 3 point shot……we lost by 1.
Kentucky should have watched the Oakland game at YSU.where they shot over 80% from the 3…
I watched the game last night between Oakland and Kentucky and That was a good win for Oakland in the conference. I felt like the announcers didn’t say a lot about the league though which is understandable but as I watch the game, how was coached I felt that the Oakland coach had a great feel for the game and made this coaching decisions accordingly. sometimes I feel Calhoun hasn’t required that at times specially when we have leads when to pull the ball back, etc. but if we had a player like Oakland had that could’ve been us. it was obvious this year’s team, which was good didn’t have that go to Guy. And yes, we do get a part of the money if Oakland keeps winning plus whatever to swim is so let’s root them on.
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So happy for Oakland and the Horizon League! YSU lost two close games to Oakland, shows how good we were.
I still have nightmares from that home loss at YSU. The last play, when we were up 2 with 3 seconds left, the guy came around the high pick screen at the top of the key. Our big guy didn’t step to contest the 3 point shot……we lost by 1.
Kentucky should have watched the Oakland game at YSU.where they shot over 80% from the 3…
I watched the game last night between Oakland and Kentucky and That was a good win for Oakland in the conference. I felt like the announcers didn’t say a lot about the league though which is understandable but as I watch the game, how was coached I felt that the Oakland coach had a great feel for the game and made this coaching decisions accordingly. sometimes I feel Calhoun hasn’t required that at times specially when we have leads when to pull the ball back, etc. but if we had a player like Oakland had that could’ve been us. it was obvious this year’s team, which was good didn’t have that go to Guy. And yes, we do get a part of the money if Oakland keeps winning plus whatever to swim is so let’s root them on.
100% agree with this. I really like Catalon and Lappas, but they really didn't talk about Oakland's season, the Horizon League, etc.
I do agree that Coach Calhoun gets outcoached at times as he did in both of those Oakland games. Oakland knows how to win and wins the close games, that's something YSU struggled with. They also have a lot of team chemistry with returning players and I think that hurt YSU
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Oakland plays North Carolina state tomorrow in Ncaa tournament. Good luck to them and coach Kampe.
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https://riceowls.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/andrew-akuchie/9157
Andrew's in the portal. Would be nice if his brother would put in a good word.
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Oakland represented the Horizon very well in the tourney! Maybe not the conference will get more respect!
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Noah Reynolds and Marques Warrick are in the portal.
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We should go after each of them. We need a point guard and renalds fits the mold but I believe he is going to go to a bigger school. As for Warrick I bet he goes to Louisville
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Lots of players left GB and entered the portal. I still believe we should go after Tankersly from Detroit. He was only a sophomore. Who knows
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BJ Freeman(Milwaukee) to the portal.
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Although things have improved YSU is one of the all-time worst mens programs in D1 the last 30+ years. The players the last two years came here for a pay day. How sustainable is that moving forward?
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Although things have improved YSU is one of the all-time worst mens programs in D1 the last 30+ years. The players the last two years came here for a pay day. How sustainable is that moving forward?
Very good question. I think that the answer is: nobody really knows!
Supposedly, we formed an organized NIL, the Penguin Collective, before any other school in the league. From comments scattered across the internet, we offer the most NIL money. The big question: is that true? If so, will we remain the Horizon League leader?
Maybe we will. Think about this. The vast majority of the schools in the Horizon League are afterthoughts in the large cities in which they are located. Outside of alumni, few sports fans care about Robert Morris in Pittsburgh, or Oakland/Detroit in the Motor City. IUPUI has no fans at all. Northern Kentucky must compete with Cincinnati right across the river, and UK is 90 miles to the south. Wright State is the perpetual little brother to Dayton. And Cleveland State is irrelevant within metro Cleveland.
Conversely, we are the central attraction in the Mahoning Valley. Our wealthy individuals and corporations sell out the football loges and, I assume, fill the coffers of the Penguin Collective. As long as we can pay out more than our Horizon League rivals, maybe we can "buy" more talent every year. But all bets are off if Calhoun leaves.
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Although things have improved YSU is one of the all-time worst mens programs in D1 the last 30+ years. The players the last two years came here for a pay day. How sustainable is that moving forward?
Very good question. I think that the answer is: nobody really knows!
Supposedly, we formed an organized NIL, the Penguin Collective, before any other school in the league. From comments scattered across the internet, we offer the most NIL money. The big question: is that true? If so, will we remain the Horizon League leader?
Maybe we will. Think about this. The vast majority of the schools in the Horizon League are afterthoughts in the large cities in which they are located. Outside of alumni, few sports fans care about Robert Morris in Pittsburgh, or Oakland/Detroit in the Motor City. IUPUI has no fans at all. Northern Kentucky must compete with Cincinnati right across the river, and UK is 90 miles to the south. Wright State is the perpetual little brother to Dayton. And Cleveland State is irrelevant within metro Cleveland.
Conversely, we are the central attraction in the Mahoning Valley. Our wealthy individuals and corporations sell out the football loges and, I assume, fill the coffers of the Penguin Collective. As long as we can pay out more than our Horizon League rivals, maybe we can "buy" more talent every year. But all bets are off if Calhoun leaves.
Excellent post! Agree 100%. That fact you're seeing all these stars such as Reynolds, Warrick, Freeman, Burns etc probably tells you they are seeking more NIL money.
Coach Calhoun has done a good job navigating this the last 2 years, but things can change so much year to year. And if and when he leaves all bets are off.
I just wish there was a 1 time or 2 time transfer rule or add if the 2nd or 3rd time transfer they would have to sit out a year...wishful thinking, but I've heard even the Duquesne coach mention this.
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2 Cleveland St players are now in portal. Right up the road. We we take a look at them?
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Although things have improved YSU is one of the all-time worst mens programs in D1 the last 30+ years. The players the last two years came here for a pay day. How sustainable is that moving forward?
That is the correct question and YSU and the 350 other D1 schools are dealing with the same problem but obviously an OSU has different issues than a low mid major like the Horizon league teams.
The sustainability factor is how much can you afford to pay. Unless the NCAA has any power anymore then it's going to get ugly and shady and like mud said we'll be cheering for the shirt since the body in the shirt is going to be different every season. Looks like the days of a Kendrick Perry or a Cameron Morse playing 4 years at YSU are history.
I think the coaches see it and are adjusting but not sure the fan bases are. Some of the old time coaches like Nick Saban don't want to deal with the madness. Then again old Nick Had no problem jumping several times to the highest bidder himself.
Not sure I can be mad when another team pulls a guy like DJ Burns who we ourselves pulled from a previous team.
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Although things have improved YSU is one of the all-time worst mens programs in D1 the last 30+ years. The players the last two years came here for a pay day. How sustainable is that moving forward?
That is the correct question and YSU and the 350 other D1 schools are dealing with the same problem but obviously an OSU has different issues than a low mid major like the Horizon league teams.
The sustainability factor is how much can you afford to pay. Unless the NCAA has any power anymore then it's going to get ugly and shady and like mud said we'll be cheering for the shirt since the body in the shirt is going to be different every season. Looks like the days of a Kendrick Perry or a Cameron Morse playing 4 years at YSU are history.
I think the coaches see it and are adjusting but not sure the fan bases are. Some of the old time coaches like Nick Saban don't want to deal with the madness. Then again old Nick Had no problem jumping several times to the highest bidder himself.
Not sure I can be mad when another team pulls a guy like DJ Burns who we ourselves pulled from a previous team.
Yes it's tough to get accustomed for fans, coaches, etc., but unfortunately I don't see anything changing because as you said the NCAA seems to have lost its power.
I just saw this interesting tweet that Scott Nagy from Wright St may be in line for the SIU job https://x.com/CbbCoachRumors/status/1773019237428117582?s=20 (https://x.com/CbbCoachRumors/status/1773019237428117582?s=20)
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Although things have improved YSU is one of the all-time worst mens programs in D1 the last 30+ years. The players the last two years came here for a pay day. How sustainable is that moving forward?
That is the correct question and YSU and the 350 other D1 schools are dealing with the same problem but obviously an OSU has different issues than a low mid major like the Horizon league teams.
The sustainability factor is how much can you afford to pay. Unless the NCAA has any power anymore then it's going to get ugly and shady and like mud said we'll be cheering for the shirt since the body in the shirt is going to be different every season. Looks like the days of a Kendrick Perry or a Cameron Morse playing 4 years at YSU are history.
I think the coaches see it and are adjusting but not sure the fan bases are. Some of the old time coaches like Nick Saban don't want to deal with the madness. Then again old Nick Had no problem jumping several times to the highest bidder himself.
Not sure I can be mad when another team pulls a guy like DJ Burns who we ourselves pulled from a previous team.
Yes it's tough to get accustomed for fans, coaches, etc., but unfortunately I don't see anything changing because as you said the NCAA seems to have lost its power.
I just saw this interesting tweet that Scott Nagy from Wright St may be in line for the SIU job https://x.com/CbbCoachRumors/status/1773019237428117582?s=20 (https://x.com/CbbCoachRumors/status/1773019237428117582?s=20)
That would be... interesting. Why leave Wright State for SIU? Granted, I'm kind of saying the same about Calhoun. Why leave YSU for SIU? Both cases are strange to me.
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Although things have improved YSU is one of the all-time worst mens programs in D1 the last 30+ years. The players the last two years came here for a pay day. How sustainable is that moving forward?
That is the correct question and YSU and the 350 other D1 schools are dealing with the same problem but obviously an OSU has different issues than a low mid major like the Horizon league teams.
The sustainability factor is how much can you afford to pay. Unless the NCAA has any power anymore then it's going to get ugly and shady and like mud said we'll be cheering for the shirt since the body in the shirt is going to be different every season. Looks like the days of a Kendrick Perry or a Cameron Morse playing 4 years at YSU are history.
I think the coaches see it and are adjusting but not sure the fan bases are. Some of the old time coaches like Nick Saban don't want to deal with the madness. Then again old Nick Had no problem jumping several times to the highest bidder himself.
Not sure I can be mad when another team pulls a guy like DJ Burns who we ourselves pulled from a previous team.
Yes it's tough to get accustomed for fans, coaches, etc., but unfortunately I don't see anything changing because as you said the NCAA seems to have lost its power.
I just saw this interesting tweet that Scott Nagy from Wright St may be in line for the SIU job https://x.com/CbbCoachRumors/status/1773019237428117582?s=20 (https://x.com/CbbCoachRumors/status/1773019237428117582?s=20)
That would be... interesting. Why leave Wright State for SIU? Granted, I'm kind of saying the same about Calhoun. Why leave YSU for SIU? Both cases are strange to me.
Very strange and even more puzzling is Scott Nagy is making a base salary of $500,000 a year, which is even more than the president of Wright St. and well more than any coach in the HL.
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I like having a little coin in my pocket as much as the next guy but this obsession with money the players, coaches and just people in general have, is out of control.
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I like having a little coin in my pocket as much as the next guy but this obsession with money the players, coaches and just people in general have, is out of control.
Agree! I'll never deny someone that it's their right to make money, but as you said this obsession to bounce around with zero loyalty and uprooting families and lives. It's hard to blame the players when the coaches are just as bad. Speaking of such it's so refreshing to see what Greg Kampe has done at Oakland.
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So John Lovelace is going to Milwaukee, ehh https://twitter.com/ACNY2LA/status/1773163958611870198?t=KCUbaQblmio3AKCWPkbe3g&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ACNY2LA/status/1773163958611870198?t=KCUbaQblmio3AKCWPkbe3g&s=19)
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So John Lovelace is going to Milwaukee, ehh https://twitter.com/ACNY2LA/status/1773163958611870198?t=KCUbaQblmio3AKCWPkbe3g&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ACNY2LA/status/1773163958611870198?t=KCUbaQblmio3AKCWPkbe3g&s=19)
Not a surprise for him to be going home.
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Here is a quote from the Oakland coach.
"He's going to get offered so much money and I can't [match that]. We've got a 'Keep Trey Townsend Fund' going from our [NIL] collective, and we might be able to get $40-50,000 in there, but he's looking at $250-300,000 from what I'm being told. So, it's going to be hard for me to tell him to stay."
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Here is a quote from the Oakland coach.
"He's going to get offered so much money and I can't [match that]. We've got a 'Keep Trey Townsend Fund' going from our [NIL] collective, and we might be able to get $40-50,000 in there, but he's looking at $250-300,000 from what I'm being told. So, it's going to be hard for me to tell him to stay."
Gee, he is expecting to make more $$ than our coach.
Can’t really blame him. In a capitalistic society, he is free to make whatever $$ that people are willing to pay him. This is especially true for those who will never make it to nba. Make $$ now while you can.
Like most of the industrial companies, there are very little loyalty between employers and employees anymore since very few companies are offering pensions. The relationship are “at will” between them (employers can terminate employment at anytime for whatever reasons and employees can quit at anytime). People make decisions based on their personal benefits ( not company’s).The retirement $$ is now the 401k which employees can take with them when they leave.
If the mid major guy can expect to make this much, how much are the power 5 guys…..
Colleges may have to start looking at revenue sharing…..
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Here is a quote from the Oakland coach.
"He's going to get offered so much money and I can't [match that]. We've got a 'Keep Trey Townsend Fund' going from our [NIL] collective, and we might be able to get $40-50,000 in there, but he's looking at $250-300,000 from what I'm being told. So, it's going to be hard for me to tell him to stay."
I'm sorry but i'm not clear of who Kampe is talking about ?
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Here is a quote from the Oakland coach.
"He's going to get offered so much money and I can't [match that]. We've got a 'Keep Trey Townsend Fund' going from our [NIL] collective, and we might be able to get $40-50,000 in there, but he's looking at $250-300,000 from what I'm being told. So, it's going to be hard for me to tell him to stay."
I'm sorry but i'm not clear of who Kampe is talking about ?
Trey Townsend forward
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Here is a quote from the Oakland coach.
"He's going to get offered so much money and I can't [match that]. We've got a 'Keep Trey Townsend Fund' going from our [NIL] collective, and we might be able to get $40-50,000 in there, but he's looking at $250-300,000 from what I'm being told. So, it's going to be hard for me to tell him to stay."
I'm sorry but i'm not clear of who Kampe is talking about ?
Trey Townsend forward
Thanks,I'm a little slow today. Townsend can for sure go up a level and help a so called power 5 conference program. I would like to know how much players are getting in the Horizon vs other conferences. I would think the MAC would have deeper pockets than the Horizon but it could vary from school to school with football taking a lot of the collective money.
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Did the women get a transfer from Cleveland State?
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Did the women get a transfer from Cleveland State?
Yes. Two transfers IN for the women so far. Dacia Lewandowski from Akron and Faith Burch from Cleveland St.
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Faith father was a big time football player at WGH and U of M.
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Faith is a big time get. All-State in two sports at Harding.
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Faith is a big time get. All-State in two sports at Harding.
Looking at the website, it is scary that we don’t have any assistant coaches listed on the team and we also lost half of the players via graduation.
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Oakland and Horizon league player of the year Trey Townsend is in the portal. I guess Oakland didn't have the funds to keep him. Can we say any H-league player that is under recruited and then develops is more than likely a stepping stone ?
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Interesting to note that Great Osobor of Utah State, who was the Mountain West player of the year, has entered the portal.
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interesting, ploy for more money or really wants to leave?
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Transfer portal is all about money. Simple as that. Money. $$$
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Since March 25th thirteen IUPUI players have hit the transfer portal. If they're all scholarship player and I'm not sure or not,that means that the whole team is gone. Obviously the new coach is going to use the portal but I don't know how a program can recover from those numbers.
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I would think JLynn Counter we should get. That is all we would want though from iupui. They stunk
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Last year on April 11th Ziggy and Zorgvol committed. Farmer committed the next day.
April 23rd both DJ Burns and Brett Thompson committed.
May 18th we got Langdon.
I'm thinking we should be getting some guys but from me it's only speculation.
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April 17th and last approximately 1 month until NLI is dormant until fall.
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Just wondering if the commit from Moon Twp will sign with us next week? I believe his name is Guillery. Spelling?