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Let me here the excuses of why nobody was at the game or tailgating...I was there at 8 am. I had an awesome time
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Shaming people into going to the games just isn't going to work. Neither will being belligerent and angry.
YSU football is a product that, like any product, needs to be deemed worthy by the consumer of their valuable time and hard earned money.
It is not the fans fault that the product (YSU FB) deteriorated after JT left. It is not the fans fault that we play teams in the Dakotas rather than Akron or Kent or Ohio U.
IMO, if a business is doing poorly and not closing the deal with consumers.....it is never the consumer's fault.
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I make it to 15% of the games and I live ~1000 miles away. I spend a lot in travel and a lot at the book store when I'm up there. If we had some playoff games at home I may be able to attend those as well (if I can make it happen). There are plenty of people in the area that can weather the F'ing Mooney and Ursuline games and therefore there are no freaking excuses as far as I'm concerned. And if you are choosimg to to watch high school football over what we have, then your intellectual ability falls in the Dim range.
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Shaming people into going to the games just isn't going to work. Neither will being belligerent and angry.
YSU football is a product that, like any product, needs to be deemed worthy by the consumer of their valuable time and hard earned money.
It is not the fans fault that the product (YSU FB) deteriorated after JT left. It is not the fans fault that we play teams in the Dakotas rather than Akron or Kent or Ohio U.
IMO, if a business is doing poorly and not closing the deal with consumers.....it is never the consumer's fault.
Mooney and Ursuline brands suck and idiots flock to it all the time. Why would you ever want to watch a team run the ball every play and beat up on inferior talent? There is probably 1 kid on the entire Mooney and Ursuline teams combined that could warm the bench for YSU. The quality of HS football is bad and it draws. Sickening
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Maybe the Athletic Department should invest in billboards around town displaying the slogan, "Either go to YSU FB games or you're a F---ing a--hole!"
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Maybe the Athletic Department should invest in billboards around town displaying the slogan, "Either go to YSU FB games or you're a F---ing a--hole!"
More like morons.
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How many people are at home right now watching Ohio State beat the hell out of Illinois, a team that is inferior to Youngstown State with our new quarterback? watching the big 10 is just like watching Youngstown Cardinal Mooney beat up a division 6 football team by running the ball up the middle a hundred times and bragging about the big win. but all the idiots have to watch that because the Buckeyes are winning and they play no one that can compete with them except for Michigan State and then they b**** that they're not number one.
meanwhile they've got a fantastic football team in Youngstown nearby that they can go to a game and support and they choose not to because Poland or Canfield had trick or treating today so we can't make a football game because we have to go trick or treating. All I hear is bullsh** excuses. If Youngstown is truly a football town then the fans they should be supporting Youngstown State. It is a superior brand of football to anything else in the valley. Hands down. This is no longer the old I-AA.
The national champion is coming out of this conference and we are a contender. How do you like that bold statement? I'm totally baffled by the lack of fan support. I've called many people in my contact list and chastise them for lack of support.
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that highlight commercial that they showed on espn3 before the game today needs to be played on every local television channel about fifty thousand times so that the morons they don't pay attention can see what the heck we have
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and another thing that irks me is that most of the people in the valley attended Youngstown State and they are alumni and they need to support their damn team
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Shaming people into going to the games just isn't going to work. Neither will being belligerent and angry.
YSU football is a product that, like any product, needs to be deemed worthy by the consumer of their valuable time and hard earned money.
It is not the fans fault that the product (YSU FB) deteriorated after JT left. It is not the fans fault that we play teams in the Dakotas rather than Akron or Kent or Ohio U.
IMO, if a business is doing poorly and not closing the deal with consumers.....it is never the consumer's fault.
Mooney and Ursuline brands suck and idiots flock to it all the time. Why would you ever want to watch a team run the ball every play and beat up on inferior talent? There is probably 1 kid on the entire Mooney and Ursuline teams combined that could warm the bench for YSU. The quality of HS football is bad and it draws. Sickening
Well, Mooney's kicker is going to YSU lol...... And they have 2 kids going to Kentucky so.
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YSU hasn't won. Plain and simple. Winning puts butts in the seats. It was cold, windy day against a team who sucks so no average fan is going to the game. Now, the Indiana State game coming up.... That's a different story!
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I wasnt bullying ??? anybody...but saw lots of excuses. This is my Ohio State. I went away to school here. Did I want to get up at 6 am to tailgate no .but i did ...was the weather bad...yes...but you dress for the weather and show up...i didnt get wet...actually had fun..the same negative people on here and this area...have become excuse makers not doers...its your team your college...step up...
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Tell me how coach Wolford has an advantage in recruiting people to Youngstown State when there are 11 people in the stands? The success of the football program is just as much a responsibility of the fans as it is the coaches and players. To me it's not about the brand of football. If you went to school there and you follow any level football and your team is somewhat competitive then you have an obligation to support them and attend the games. If you're part of the city or other organizations that schedules crap during the games you're to blame too.
We have a title contender. Get the word out. We will be in the top 10 this week. We can beat Illinois State next week
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I am watching the replay...How embarrassing to see like 1K in the stands.
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Shaming people into going to the games just isn't going to work. Neither will being belligerent and angry.
YSU football is a product that, like any product, needs to be deemed worthy by the consumer of their valuable time and hard earned money.
It is not the fans fault that the product (YSU FB) deteriorated after JT left. It is not the fans fault that we play teams in the Dakotas rather than Akron or Kent or Ohio U.
IMO, if a business is doing poorly and not closing the deal with consumers.....it is never the consumer's fault.
I can agree with what you say to a point.
I really do not care about these Dakota schools even the Iowa school, just too far away, but I do care about YSU and that is who I go to see. This area is so negative about everything, YSU is a jewel, lots of good things going on there. The downtown is coming back People need to get with it.
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AND TICKETS AREN'T FREE SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THE AND IF YOU WANT A GOOD FOOTBALL TEAM THAT YOU CAN BE PROUD OF THEN ANNIE UP THE $$$$$$$$
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Weather was not as bad as I expected it to be.
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might I also add that we want to sit here and have a top 10 football team every year yet when it comes to butts in seats we have to be near dead last in the Missouri Valley Football Conference. The fans are not living up to their end of the bargain
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Had an awesome time tailgating today, yeah it was drizzling at first, but still had a great time. Its a saturday, and it is football season, and getting to see my brother and the guns play live is always fun. Parked right by the Adams RV and had a great time with them just as we have for the past 4 seasons. It's a damn shame nobody comes out. What are you gonna do though. I know they will show up if they make the playoffs. Im a firm believer that fans and compassion can motivate a team and bring up the emotions even more. Let's go guins.. Hoping when I fly up again in 2 weeks for Indiana State there will be a better turn out.
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First off, the reason high school games are well attended (for the most part) is because they double as junior high and high school social events. The kids got nothing else to do on a friday night but go out to their school's game, do the whole look-how-many-friends-I'm-sitting-with-cus-I'm-cool thing, and oh btw mommy and daddy come along cus I can't drive yet. A majority of them don't even watch the game and typically end up wandering from one side of the stadium to the other... AKA there is no real correlation between YSU football and HS football when it come to the quality of the product. It's just the nature of the beast.
As for the reasons the attendance sucks, there's just a general sense of I DO NOT CARE. The university doesn't care because I've seen marginal D3 schools with better publicizing and marketing. I've dealt with YSU's marketing department in the past (and I've done a fair share of marketing myself) and I have no idea what those guys do all day outside of sit in a chair, walk across the street to McD's for lunch break and then come back only to sit in that same chair until its time to make the commute home. OUR... MARKETING... SUCKS. Period. I mean, we can barely fill the student section?! Really?! A school of 15,000 and you can't even fill a section that probably holds 200? I don't care if it's a "commuter school"... I'm sorry but at that point you don't deserve your job.
Why don't they reach out to youth programs, church groups, sports programs, and school teams? The only time I was part of a YSU football event where a youth team was involved was when WE initiated. Had to call them up and request and they were like, "oh... yeah... that's a good idea. Let's do it." Heck, I should have asked for commission on that sale. Also, what do they do on campus to promote the team? From everything I've heard, absolutely nothing.
Either way, RESULTS are RESULTS. You suck, you get fired. End of story. So YSU better figure out what the heck's going on or start creating a new position for marketing or something because today was EMBARRASSING.
Finally, while I do think that winning/postseason appearances are certainly big when it comes to attendance, I don't think it's the cause of just how BAD it's gotten here. Look at teams like Liberty University (AKA 1st Prize for Being Consistently Mediocre) has the 11th highest average attendance in FCS. Add teams like Tennessee State (another frequent bubble team) who is #10 on that list and I think it's hard to blame all the attendance woes on the lack of postseason success.
I just hope they figure this crap out soon because I hate feeling like a lunatic yelling in an empty stadium every Saturday.
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Of course you dont care about the Dakotas they are not our team, YSU is our team THAT's who we care about THAT's why we go to the games because its our team playing. And it doesnt matter if they are playing Notre Dame or Notre Dame on Lake Erie ( look it up). The problem is we dont have real football fans here, they are sheep dazzled by"big time football" but they really dont love football or their local teams . They are motivated by a need to be part of something bigger and larger (ie the Columbus State buckeyes ) and sadly most never set foot on that campus as a student. Fans , real fans dont need to be sold a "product" the love of a team is either there or it isnt. Todays turnout was pathetic and embarrassing. This team deserves better than this. Ive been following YSU since 1966 and missed about a half dozen home games during that time. There will always be a core of true fans who really do love the game and their team and who will show up win or lose no matter who we are playing.
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Of course you dont care about the Dakotas they are not our team, YSU is our team THAT's who we care about THAT's why we go to the games because its our team playing. And it doesnt matter if they are playing Notre Dame or Notre Dame on Lake Erie ( look it up). The problem is we dont have real football fans here, they are sheep dazzled by"big time football" but they really dont love football or their local teams . They are motivated by a need to be part of something bigger and larger (ie the Columbus State buckeyes ) and sadly most never set foot on that campus as a student. Fans , real fans dont need to be sold a "product" the love of a team is either there or it isnt. Todays turnout was pathetic and embarrassing. This team deserves better than this. Ive been following YSU since 1966 and missed about a half dozen home games during that time. There will always be a core of true fans who really do love the game and their team and who will show up win or lose no matter who we are playing.
well said
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First off, the reason high school games are well attended (for the most part) is because they double as junior high and high school social events. The kids got nothing else to do on a friday night but go out to their school's game, do the whole look-how-many-friends-I'm-sitting-with-cus-I'm-cool thing, and oh btw mommy and daddy come along cus I can't drive yet. A majority of them don't even watch the game and typically end up wandering from one side of the stadium to the other... AKA there is no real correlation between YSU football and HS football when it come to the quality of the product. It's just the nature of the beast.
As for the reasons the attendance sucks, there's just a general sense of I DO NOT CARE. The university doesn't care because I've seen marginal D3 schools with better publicizing and marketing. I've dealt with YSU's marketing department in the past (and I've done a fair share of marketing myself) and I have no idea what those guys do all day outside of sit in a chair, walk across the street to McD's for lunch break and then come back only to sit in that same chair until its time to make the commute home. OUR... MARKETING... SUCKS. Period. I mean, we can barely fill the student section?! Really?! A school of 15,000 and you can't even fill a section that probably holds 200? I don't care if it's a "commuter school"... I'm sorry but at that point you don't deserve your job.
Why don't they reach out to youth programs, church groups, sports programs, and school teams? The only time I was part of a YSU football event where a youth team was involved was when WE initiated. Had to call them up and request and they were like, "oh... yeah... that's a good idea. Let's do it." Heck, I should have asked for commission on that sale. Also, what do they do on campus to promote the team? From everything I've heard, absolutely nothing.
Either way, RESULTS are RESULTS. You suck, you get fired. End of story. So YSU better figure out what the heck's going on or start creating a new position for marketing or something because today was EMBARRASSING.
Finally, while I do think that winning/postseason appearances are certainly big when it comes to attendance, I don't think it's the cause of just how BAD it's gotten here. Look at teams like Liberty University (AKA 1st Prize for Being Consistently Mediocre) has the 11th highest average attendance in FCS. Add teams like Tennessee State (another frequent bubble team) who is #10 on that list and I think it's hard to blame all the attendance woes on the lack of postseason success.
I just hope they figure this crap out soon because I hate feeling like a lunatic yelling in an empty stadium every Saturday.
Great point
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Speaking of students. I wish the student section wasn't on the east side. It's stupid. Give them a small section on the west side, preferably by the tunnel where the team comes out. Marketing department sucks and we all know it. They all need fired. I can find a man off the street that does the same job as they do! It's embarrassing...... The team deserves better than this. Unreal, 7-2 and on the verge of the playoffs and we draw 1,000 people.
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Announced attendance today...... 8,274 LOL
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HAHAHAHA they announced 8,000?! I wonder if they just pick these numbers from a hat. I also wonder if YSU knows how bad their marketing department is and, if so, do they just not give a crap or do they just not have the money to do anything about it... Either way, bad rep for the university
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Why does a supposedly knowledgeable football town/fanbase (or what people like to claim) have to be herded like cattle to a game? I don't think people in the valley really understand football if they haven't figured it out what we have right now. the win last week was not a fluke and it was against a very good football team. The team is demonstrated this year that they can overcome severe adversity. And they've been undefeated since they started their new quarterback. The best part is that the quarterback struggled today and everybody picked up the slack for him because he is young. Very promising
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Shaming people into going to the games just isn't going to work. Neither will being belligerent and angry.
YSU football is a product that, like any product, needs to be deemed worthy by the consumer of their valuable time and hard earned money.
It is not the fans fault that the product (YSU FB) deteriorated after JT left. It is not the fans fault that we play teams in the Dakotas rather than Akron or Kent or Ohio U.
IMO, if a business is doing poorly and not closing the deal with consumers.....it is never the consumer's fault.
Mooney and Ursuline brands suck and idiots flock to it all the time. Why would you ever want to watch a team run the ball every play and beat up on inferior talent? There is probably 1 kid on the entire Mooney and Ursuline teams combined that could warm the bench for YSU. The quality of HS football is bad and it draws. Sickening
WE draw because we have 12 state titles between us and play the likes of Steubenville, Massillon, and St. Edward's on a yearly basis. Being that Mooney has two FBS recruits, a kicker coming to YSU, and a QB that may go Ivy, and Ursuline has a LB that will go either FBS/FCS and a handful of linemen Wolford is onto, I think you may want to retract that statement.
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Shaming people into going to the games just isn't going to work. Neither will being belligerent and angry.
YSU football is a product that, like any product, needs to be deemed worthy by the consumer of their valuable time and hard earned money.
It is not the fans fault that the product (YSU FB) deteriorated after JT left. It is not the fans fault that we play teams in the Dakotas rather than Akron or Kent or Ohio U.
IMO, if a business is doing poorly and not closing the deal with consumers.....it is never the consumer's fault.
Mooney and Ursuline brands suck and idiots flock to it all the time. Why would you ever want to watch a team run the ball every play and beat up on inferior talent? There is probably 1 kid on the entire Mooney and Ursuline teams combined that could warm the bench for YSU. The quality of HS football is bad and it draws. Sickening
WE draw because we have 12 state titles between us and play the likes of Steubenville, Massillon, and St. Edward's on a yearly basis. Being that Mooney has two FBS recruits, a kicker coming to YSU, and a QB that may go Ivy, and Ursuline has a LB that will go either FBS/FCS and a handful of linemen Wolford is onto, I think you may want to retract that statement.
Regardless if its Boardman, Canfield, Fitch, Struthers, South Range etc. High school football is not nearly as good as college football. This isn't necessarily attack on the local high schools as much as it is an attack on the jackasses that attend those games but fail to attend the college football game by the college that represents the place they live in, on a national level, with national publicity, on a national stage. Yet those same jackasses could tell you everything there is to know about Cardinal Mooney or Fitch or Boardman or Canfield or Poland or any of those teams. The high school game should always come second to the priority of the college football game yet these people don't know anything about Youngstown State football. And there is a lot of these people. Maybe it's just the overall lack of education we have in the valley because we're blue collar and there such a high number of people without college degrees. I don't understand why they all worship their stupid high school. Perhaps that's why we are where we are. I would never want to attend any high school football game including the high school I went to. I could give a crap less. Yes there were some good kids on the teams and there were some bad kids on the team but most of the kids nwill ever play college football. That statement is true all of the high schools in Ohio and in the US. I played HS football too.
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Speaking of students. I wish the student section wasn't on the east side. It's stupid. Give them a small section on the west side, preferably by the tunnel where the team comes out. Marketing department sucks and we all know it. They all need fired. I can find a man off the street that does the same job as they do! It's embarrassing...... The team deserves better than this. Unreal, 7-2 and on the verge of the playoffs and we draw 1,000 people.
So you want the football coach fired, men's basketball coach fired, and marketing staff gone? Take a deep breath and think before you type. Words have meaning.
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The post by pen4life summed up the situation beautifully. This is NOT a football town. It is a town filled with folks who sit in front of their televisions and watch their precious Buckeyes on Saturday and their favorite pro teams on Sunday. Their knowledge about football is superficial. Actually, they don't even deserve to be called casual "fans" at all, more like tv watchers who extract some type of fulfillment from their frontrunning.
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Speaking of students. I wish the student section wasn't on the east side. It's stupid. Give them a small section on the west side, preferably by the tunnel where the team comes out. Marketing department sucks and we all know it. They all need fired. I can find a man off the street that does the same job as they do! It's embarrassing...... The team deserves better than this. Unreal, 7-2 and on the verge of the playoffs and we draw 1,000 people.
So you want the football coach fired, men's basketball coach fired, and marketing staff gone? Take a deep breath and think before you type. Words have meaning.
I love Wolf, never said wanted him fired. Hope he stays a long time! Mr. Slocum is a whole other issue for another day ;) I know exactly what I'm typing, don't worry about me.
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The so-called "true fans" are already there. If you want to fill the stands, than you have to get the fair weather fans that are so despised here. It does no good to just lament about the lack of loyalty to YSU, or to admonish a "fan" who is wearing Buckeyes apparel (not a good way to win them over).
One win over SDSU does not undo well over a decade of neglect of the YSU FB program. It may take a few years and several big wins to convince the locals that YSU FB is the best show in town.
Wolford is a entertaining guy. Add his non-conformity to some eye-opening wins and folks will become interested.
Meanwhile, the Marketing department should look at everything...gameday experience....halftime entertainment....team entrance on the field......student involvement....working the local media....promotions..advertising...etc...may have to resort to gimmickry until the winning tradition rebuilds. Make it more than a FB game....add non-football fun.....
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I saw alot of good posts on this thread. I hope JT and the powers to be take a long hard look on what they can do to increase attendance. I agree the league doesnt energize the fan base. I agree the marketing department doesnt market the athletic teams very well. I agree this is a High school football area. It just makes me sad I love my school, It has given me opportunities after I graduated and I have stayed and believe in the Valley...I love tailgating...I guess I am a fool to feel this way.
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The so-called "true fans" are already there. If you want to fill the stands, than you have to get the fair weather fans that are so despised here. It does no good to just lament about the lack of loyalty to YSU, or to admonish a "fan" who is wearing Buckeyes apparel (not a good way to win them over).
One win over SDSU does not undo well over a decade of neglect of the YSU FB program. It may take a few years and several big wins to convince the locals that YSU FB is the best show in town.
Wolford is a entertaining guy. Add his non-conformity to some eye-opening wins and folks will become interested.
Meanwhile, the Marketing department should look at everything...gameday experience....halftime entertainment....team entrance on the field......student involvement....working the local media....promotions..advertising...etc...may have to resort to gimmickry until the winning tradition rebuilds. Make it more than a FB game....add non-football fun.....
You are correct in what you are saying on all of your points , however, as I am trying to point out and Wick is supporting to some extent, is that if our fan base, which claims to know football, really had a clue those stands would be filled.
How is it that a high school game gets the same stadium packed the night beforehand? The high school teams don't offer tailgating experience, it does offer the sale of merchandise, consumption of adult beverages, or even half of the concessions that are offered. If you attend to see the band, well the band's are not not nearly as good as YSU's band, and there is absolutely no comparison to the level and brand of football played at YSU. You know what is even better yet?
While nearly every fair weather fan watched the buckeyes pummel an opponent that YSU would now take to the woodshed (with more playing experience and a different qb), they were probably smug and happy that the buckeyes won setting up a showdown with Michigan State (which by the way Dantonio and Narduzzzi are going to smash the poor coaching staff of Urban Meyer and end the season of another Ohio state qb). Seriously that is the best the big 10 has to offer? A prime time game with those 2 teams? That's like watching Mooney or Ursuline beat the little sisters of the poor.
I know many on here don't like the conference affiliation and the distance of our opponents, however, we play in the best league in the FCS. It is highly likely that the National Championship goes through our teams and the parody of our teams is second to none top to bottom of the league (and you can compare that to the Southeastern Conference the pac-12 the big 12 and the ACC as well as all other FCS leagues).
People in the Mahoning valley think they are educated football fans when in fact they are not. All they know is North Dakota State and there is some other news....they can be beaten by other MVFC teams and YSU is capable of being one of those. How is that not more interesting than watching a mismatch on prime time tv?
Then there are all of the ********s in the community that schedule basket weaving activities among other things during YSU games. Those morons should be chastised in the local paper because that is the only way to make that bullsh** stop. Halloween was on Friday. Do Halloween on Halloween, do your craft show on Sunday after church you've got an obligation as a community to support your football team and if you attend a high school game over a YSU game you are a sorry sack of sh**. There are no acceptable excuses if you are able to attend high school games then there is no good reason you can't attend YSU's game. Do you think that happens at our other league schools? The answer is no. They consistently fill the stands.
We have "reported attendance" numbers not tickets sold but rather tickets given away. Oh and by the way tickets are not free. The Mahoning valley people were trained like Pavlov's dog and think all tickets are free because the scam artist gave away free Youngstown Pride tickets and conditioned their dumb asses. Pay for a freaking ticket. It is some good entertainment for a few dollars that will go toward making your team a contender every year.
I guess the marketing department needs to put the dots really close together with single digit numbers for the Mahoning Valley.
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Announced attendance today...... 8,274 LOL
This number is tickets sold not butts in seats, every college does this so nothing special here. I would guess that there were around 3000 or so folks at the game. Hard to tell how many are in the loges.
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The marketing department and basketball coach are all good people/workers. However people who call for their jobs before the season starts are not very good people.
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1. Akron is offering a drawing for free tuition for spring semester to try to entice students to their upcoming Tuesday game. Attendence at MAC and lower levels of D1/1AA football is in the same ball park as YSU.
2. People have no obligation spend their money or time on any form of entertainment. They spend both on what they like given their resources or circumstances.
3. The 90s arent coming back. There are so many "stay at home" possibilities that it takes a major attraction to get people out. Look at how movie attendence has changed. The Indians have had competitive teams for two years, but their attendance stinks.
4. Maybe its time to revise expectations.
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1. Akron is offering a drawing for free tuition for spring semester to try to entice students to their upcoming Tuesday game. Attendence at MAC and lower levels of D1/1AA football is in the same ball park as YSU.
2. People have no obligation spend their money or time on any form of entertainment. They spend both on what they like given their resources or circumstances.
3. The 90s arent coming back. There are so many "stay at home" possibilities that it takes a major attraction to get people out. Look at how movie attendence has changed. The Indians have had competitive teams for two years, but their attendance stinks.
4. Maybe its time to revise expectations.
Stay at home possibilities are no excuse. Teams like Northern Iowa, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, South Dakota, Missouri State, Illinois State, Southern Illinois, have way more fans than we do. I watch it on TV every away game. This is not an excuse because if they're doing it we should be doing it and that doesn't consider the fact that we have a better football team than most of them. It's about priority and if the priority is attending a high school football game over a college football game you have problems; I'll go as far as to say small town losers go to the high school football games and live in the past. However, if you follow your high school football team and you support the Penguins you have a pass on that stereotype. However, if you attend your high school game and don't attend the Youngstown State game and you live in the valley shame on you. You are a small town mental midget.
And people spend their money on entertainment. If you call high school football games entertainment, then look there. Plenty of money being spent there.
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Here is the proof:
ATTENDANCE
Home Avg Away Avg Neutral Avg Total attend Avg
Illinois State 5-52339 10468 3-24329 8110 0-0 0 8-76668 9584
Indiana State 5-29052 5810 4-82598 20650 0-0 0 9-111650 12406
Missouri State 3-46141 15380 6-97184 16197 0-0 0 9-143325 15925
North Dakota St. 5-94253 18851 4-84311 21078 0-0 0 9-178564 19840
Northern Iowa 4-52051 13013 5-108902 21780 0-0 0 9-160953 17884
South Dakota 4-36598 9150 5-115646 23129 0-0 0 9-152244 16916
South Dakota St. 4-51778 12944 5-110406 22081 0-0 0 9-162184 18020
Southern Illinois 5-49338 9868 4-72321 18080 0-0 0 9-121659 13518
Western Illinois 5-25369 5074 4-135082 33770 0-0 0 9-160451 17828
Youngstown State 6-75027 12504 3-62932 20977 0-0 0 9-137959 15329
Totals 46-511946 11129 43-893711 20784 0-0 0 89-1405657 15794
I would say that we have had 1 game with half as many people reported.
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Of course you dont care about the Dakotas they are not our team, YSU is our team THAT's who we care about THAT's why we go to the games because its our team playing. And it doesnt matter if they are playing Notre Dame or Notre Dame on Lake Erie ( look it up). The problem is we dont have real football fans here, they are sheep dazzled by"big time football" but they really dont love football or their local teams . They are motivated by a need to be part of something bigger and larger (ie the Columbus State buckeyes ) and sadly most never set foot on that campus as a student. Fans , real fans dont need to be sold a "product" the love of a team is either there or it isnt. Todays turnout was pathetic and embarrassing. This team deserves better than this. Ive been following YSU since 1966 and missed about a half dozen home games during that time. There will always be a core of true fans who really do love the game and their team and who will show up win or lose no matter who we are playing.
Well said! The team does deserve much better. It is embarrassing sometimes. This week is a big a one, win or lose this week there should be a better size crowd for the game against Indiana State as #1 it is the final home game of the year #2 it is a senior day and #3 it is a game that will hold play implications. If the Guins win this saturday, that game against Indiana State could hold implications for a potential first round playoff bye. Support would be nice from the fans.. All the players deserve, but in the same breathe I think it's safe to say that most the players on this football team probably know that the Youngstown Community can be very fare weather, (and we can't blame OSU for the lack of attendance). And if people do not attend the game because they may not like Wolford, or Montgomery or some stupid reason like that, shame on them as well. As far as weather conditions...Shiit what the hell do we expect to play in on saturdays? We all have lived here in this Northern part of the country for ever, we act like this rain, cold and snow is something new, we've been dealing with the crap conditions forever. Sorry to rant, just would like to see a larger turn out against Indiana State in another week. fb Let's Go Guins! Hey, it's a good day, we're 7-2! Adjustments were made heading into that fourth quarter and the players turned it up!
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Here is the proof:
ATTENDANCE
Home Avg Away Avg Neutral Avg Total attend Avg
Illinois State 5-52339 10468 3-24329 8110 0-0 0 8-76668 9584
Indiana State 5-29052 5810 4-82598 20650 0-0 0 9-111650 12406
Missouri State 3-46141 15380 6-97184 16197 0-0 0 9-143325 15925
North Dakota St. 5-94253 18851 4-84311 21078 0-0 0 9-178564 19840
Northern Iowa 4-52051 13013 5-108902 21780 0-0 0 9-160953 17884
South Dakota 4-36598 9150 5-115646 23129 0-0 0 9-152244 16916
South Dakota St. 4-51778 12944 5-110406 22081 0-0 0 9-162184 18020
Southern Illinois 5-49338 9868 4-72321 18080 0-0 0 9-121659 13518
Western Illinois 5-25369 5074 4-135082 33770 0-0 0 9-160451 17828
Youngstown State 6-75027 12504 3-62932 20977 0-0 0 9-137959 15329
Totals 46-511946 11129 43-893711 20784 0-0 0 89-1405657 15794
Tough chart to follow, but numbers speak. No reason for our attendance to be piss poor. It aggravates me as well when I watch the away games and see the size of their crowds. SDSU had a crap facility, and my brother said the crowd was great, and a large crowd to play in front of.
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Looking at the chart, YSU is above the league average and higher attendence than five teams. Two, that are above YSU have indoor stadiums. Northern Iowa, NDSU, SDSU have much larger student residential populations. NDSU and SDSU are the Ohio States of their respective states. There is also less competition for live sports entertainment and their games are events.
Trying to explain is not making excuses and if someone likes something that you dont like, they are not stupid.
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This is definitely a head scratcher for me considering the quality of talent Y.S.U. is fielding and the strength of conference foes. I just think to much of the fan base is living in the past and not in the present. Even though the population has declined around y-town since the J.T. Era that's not the problem. Y.S.U. crowds came from all around northeast and western pa. Back then. The next 3 games and possible playoff run would do wonders for bringing the fan base back..but it shouldn't have to come to that. I really like this team and feel they are set to make a strong run. Yesterday's game was a good learning tool for the team and I think it will be helpful down the stretch.
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Thats what it would take and it will take consistency. Last year they had two chances to reengage the fan base and got blown out both games in embarrassing fashion. I went to both games and invited relatives who had to drive over two hours to go with me. During the Heacock semi final run, the fan base was energized but they didnt build on that momentum. Its hard to get people back once they have left.
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I was there, and so was my family, all the way to the end of the game. :)
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I was unable to attend due to a family function, but I caught the 2nd half on TV live. I am not worrying too much about the attendance. We were in a similar position last year and the fans are aware we blew it. If we win next week, which I fully expect us to do, then I expect a very nice showing in 2 weeks.
Let's face it folks, the weather was awful yesterday. I sat outside Friday night in Akron in a light to moderate rain, but it was still 40-45 degrees and it was bearable. The winds and cold yesterday were pretty rough. I am not making excuses, but we have not had much luck this year with the weather.
If it can be upper 40s or low 50s in two weeks for Indiana State with no precip, the fans will show.
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Good group of kids out there on the field.. Need support. Running out of time, one home game left.
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Outside of only a few places, FCS football is largely irrelevant. I was at Nova's homecoming last weekend. Only about 6,000 in the stadium to watch a top 5 team. There were probably twice that at the local bars getting ready for Penn State and OSU. Just the reality.
On another note I have never or will never pay for a YSU ticket. They are just too easy to get free. I could call 5 random people and get tickets.
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A few weeks ago, Scalzo wrote:
". Not to beat a dead horse, but there was a story on FBSschedules.com this week about Kent State paying $300,000 to its FCS opponents over the next few years.
I know athletic director Ron Strollo only wants to play home-and-home series with the Mid-American Conference schools, but YSU-Kent State would be a lot more fun than YSU-Butler, or Kent State-Kennesaw State.
On the other hand, I get to go to both Dakotas this year, so why am I complaining? I just need to make sure I pack my suntan lotion"
http://www.vindy.com/mobile/weblogs/penguin-insider/ysu-finds-quarterback-gets-big-victory/
Right on, Joe. Get paid a nice bankroll to clobber some MAC schools, improve fan interest, and improve SOS. It kills me to see 2-3 1AAA schools on the schedule very year.
Curb stomping Kent in their house would improve #of seats w/butts on them .
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Outside of only a few places, FCS football is largely irrelevant. I was at Nova's homecoming last weekend. Only about 6,000 in the stadium to watch a top 5 team. There were probably twice that at the local bars getting ready for Penn State and OSU. Just the reality.
On another note I have never or will never pay for a YSU ticket. They are just too easy to get free. I could call 5 random people and get tickets.
There are like 100,000 more things to do in Eastern Pennsylvania, and that area does not claim to be a hotbed for football like Youngstown and the Mahoning valley. Yet they still getc a decent turnout
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The one thing that a major college program, or even HS for that matter, is atmosphere that makes you get into the game and want to be in the stands and a part of it. I look around the Youngstown area and there is very little in YSU clothing lines in the stores, no stores flying Penguin flags or playing the fight song. I have a granddaughter at State Penn and the atmosphere there is electric - heck the same can be said at Akron. Youngstown does very little to promoter their university yet they have no problem reaping the benefits.
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Remember last year, 8-2 coming off a tough loss against UNI....
1. AT HOME AGAINST #1 NDSU
2. Inducting Jimmy T in the HOF
3. There were probably 12,000 people there.... Maybe.
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I'm a young alumnus of YSU (24 years old) and live in Cleveland. I make it to every game. We can spend hours complaining, but it won't matter.
YSU's marketing is quite good. Way better than Cleveland State, Kent or Akron. Go to any of those towns, and you won't know a University even exists.
YSU lacks on its media side. The sports info department is very poor at getting the word out to media outside of the Youngstown market. I think we need to find a media member from the Pitt or Cle market to replace some of the dead weight that gets our media coverage out there.
There's no life in the Youngstown area. No new industry. No jobs. Smart graduates like myself are forced to leave the area. If you're going to blame anyone, blame the politicians. They've buried this area, and have done next to nothing to grow jobs. Alums like myself will continue to move away. There will be no young people like myself left in the area to support this school. I see a lot of politicians walking around the tailgate lot, asking for votes. They are the reason the area is dying. Tell them this. Elect new people. Instead, you welcome these losers with open arms. You get what you deserve. There's no jobs.
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^^^^Bar Stool is right on!!
I love Youngstown....but the mental slavery there is unreal.
You get the government you deserve.
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I'm a young alumnus of YSU (24 years old) and live in Cleveland. I make it to every game. We can spend hours complaining, but it won't matter.
YSU's marketing is quite good. Way better than Cleveland State, Kent or Akron. Go to any of those towns, and you won't know a University even exists.
YSU lacks on its media side. The sports info department is very poor at getting the word out to media outside of the Youngstown market. I think we need to find a media member from the Pitt or Cle market to replace some of the dead weight that gets our media coverage out there.
There's no life in the Youngstown area. No new industry. No jobs. Smart graduates like myself are forced to leave the area. If you're going to blame anyone, blame the politicians. They've buried this area, and have done next to nothing to grow jobs. Alums like myself will continue to move away. There will be no young people like myself left in the area to support this school. I see a lot of politicians walking around the tailgate lot, asking for votes. They are the reason the area is dying. Tell them this. Elect new people. Instead, you welcome these losers with open arms. You get what you deserve. There's no jobs.
Totally agree. Forced to move after 37 years because if there is a D on the ballot the nimrods vote that one automatically
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It's all about jobs. And there are very limited decent paying jobs for youngsters. The area is declining every single year.
This is going to affect enrollment.
This is going to affect attendance.
But people still refuse to believe this is a dying area. Drive around the suburbs of Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Columbus. Then look at me with a straight face and say strut hers, liberty, girard, austintown and Campbell are appealing.
The politicians (Hagan, Ryan, any mayor of any city, betras) they are the problem!!!
But this message board is typical of this area. Placing blame where problems don't exist. Wtf will firing coaches and marketing people do to keep people from moving out of the area? It's the ignorance that got us in this problem to begin with.
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It's all about jobs. And there are very limited decent paying jobs for youngsters. The area is declining every single year.
This is going to affect enrollment.
This is going to affect attendance.
But people still refuse to believe this is a dying area. Drive around the suburbs of Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Columbus. Then look at me with a straight face and say strut hers, liberty, girard, austintown and Campbell are appealing.
The politicians (Hagan, Ryan, any mayor of any city, betras) they are the problem!!!
But this message board is typical of this area. Placing blame where problems don't exist. Wtf will firing coaches and marketing people do to keep people from moving out of the area? It's the ignorance that got us in this problem to begin with.
Ok, this is not a political message board. It's a YSU sports message board where we talk sports. Talk about the decline of the city somewhere else. It is what it is..... Marketing department is the problem. Heck, we had one of our posters, Mr. Bryan make an awesome hyped up video on for one of the home games this year that was better than I've seen ANYTHING the athletic department has put out.
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^^^^ here lies the problem. Whenever anyone brings up a legitimate, intelligent, point, no one listens.
Attendance is down, because population is down. Graduates aren't staying in the area. Ysu has a huge following in Cleveland, Columbus and Pittsburgh. We need media coverage in those towns. Marketing ain't the problem. Lack of media coverage and population decline is. Politicians aren't bringing in job, to keep graduates like me here. Same goes with my 5 best friends from YSU.
Ignore it, or place blame elsewhere all you want. But a 2 minutes YouTube video ain't bringing in all the graduates moving out of the area.
Now back to 0505 calling for everyone to be fired. That's effective!
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It's all about jobs. And there are very limited decent paying jobs for youngsters. The area is declining every single year.
This is going to affect enrollment.
This is going to affect attendance.
But people still refuse to believe this is a dying area. Drive around the suburbs of Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Columbus. Then look at me with a straight face and say strut hers, liberty, girard, austintown and Campbell are appealing.
The politicians (Hagan, Ryan, any mayor of any city, betras) they are the problem!!!
But this message board is typical of this area. Placing blame where problems don't exist. Wtf will firing coaches and marketing people do to keep people from moving out of the area? It's the ignorance that got us in this problem to begin with.
Ok, this is not a political message board. It's a YSU sports message board where we talk sports. Talk about the decline of the city somewhere else. It is what it is..... Marketing department is the problem. Heck, we had one of our posters, Mr. Bryan make an awesome hyped up video on for one of the home games this year that was better than I've seen ANYTHING the athletic department has put out.
Don't be in denial. I like you a lot 0505 but there certainly is a factor of political allegiance that is a factor in the financial health of the area.
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Ysu has a huge following in Cleveland, Columbus and Pittsburgh. We need media coverage in those towns. Marketing ain't the problem. Lack of media coverage and population decline is.
Barstool: Could you clarify the dividing line of marketing and media? I am missing your point on this.
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It's all about jobs. And there are very limited decent paying jobs for youngsters. The area is declining every single year.
This is going to affect enrollment.
This is going to affect attendance.
But people still refuse to believe this is a dying area. Drive around the suburbs of Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Columbus. Then look at me with a straight face and say strut hers, liberty, girard, austintown and Campbell are appealing.
The politicians (Hagan, Ryan, any mayor of any city, betras) they are the problem!!!
But this message board is typical of this area. Placing blame where problems don't exist. Wtf will firing coaches and marketing people do to keep people from moving out of the area? It's the ignorance that got us in this problem to begin with.
Ok, this is not a political message board. It's a YSU sports message board where we talk sports. Talk about the decline of the city somewhere else. It is what it is..... Marketing department is the problem. Heck, we had one of our posters, Mr. Bryan make an awesome hyped up video on for one of the home games this year that was better than I've seen ANYTHING the athletic department has put out.
Don't be in denial. I like you a lot 0505 but there certainly is a factor of political allegiance that is a factor in the financial health of the area.
I understand your guys point.... Ok, so we had a bad crowd, against a bad opponent, on a bad weather day. It is what it is. Can we get back to football now???
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Ysu has a huge following in Cleveland, Columbus and Pittsburgh. We need media coverage in those towns. Marketing ain't the problem. Lack of media coverage and population decline is.
Barstool: Could you clarify the dividing line of marketing and media? I am missing your point on this.
So here's my point. We have tv, print, radio and now Internet media coverage in big cities all within a couple of hours from town. We have athletes from these areas playing for our teams. We have alumni in these areas. There's a gap between the media who tell these stories, and ysu, who's supposed to bring these stories to them. I have yet to see one highlight in Cleveland news. Even with our runningback from two years ago being from there. We have people who specialize in getting this info to the media. Ysu is doing a poor job at that.
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Geriatrics my friends, geriatrics!!! You fail to realize that this town is old and the people are old and the fans that went to the games in the 90's when it was popular are now old. We do not have a young fan base anymore. No young people moving into the community. Forget about Poland, Canfield, Mooney, Ursuline fans coming to a YSU game, they don't get it. Geriatric Crowd...do I need to post the picture of the woman crocheting in the stands again?
GO GUINS!
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Geriatrics my friends, geriatrics!!! You fail to realize that this town is old and the people are old and the fans that went to the games in the 90's when it was popular are now old. We do not have a young fan base anymore. No young people moving into the community. Forget about Poland, Canfield, Mooney, Ursuline fans coming to a YSU game, they don't get it. Geriatric Crowd...do I need to post the picture of the woman crocheting in the stands again?
GO GUINS!
Love this post. Crochet in the stands. Fantastic.
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Ysu has a huge following in Cleveland, Columbus and Pittsburgh. We need media coverage in those towns. Marketing ain't the problem. Lack of media coverage and population decline is.
Barstool: Could you clarify the dividing line of marketing and media? I am missing your point on this.
So here's my point. We have tv, print, radio and now Internet media coverage in big cities all within a couple of hours from town. We have athletes from these areas playing for our teams. We have alumni in these areas. There's a gap between the media who tell these stories, and ysu, who's supposed to bring these stories to them. I have yet to see one highlight in Cleveland news. Even with our runningback from two years ago being from there. We have people who specialize in getting this info to the media. Ysu is doing a poor job at that.
Agreed with the media disappointment. There is following all over the area. Each year one of the Pittsburgh Newspapers has done a piece in the beginning of the season, showcasing the kids that have come in from the WPIAL to play in the YO, and have also done stories on Christian and Dante as they were known players in the Pittsburgh Area. But these were articles just written because they are hometown kids and they do a nice job following them. Need to work on the media attention the next couple years. Its upsetting flying up to see my brother play in his Senior season and seeing an empty stadium, not just because I wanna see it filled, but also because I know for a fact the players want it to be filled. Hoping we take care of business this week in Illinois. And if we do and there is a small crowd for the Indiana State final home game of the season that will be dissapointing. This is a good Ill State team, but a extremely beatable team.
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So who at YSU is responsible for getting information to the media?
Was that Christian's dad running around in shorts on Saturday?
I saw Andre Stubbs mom wearing an OSU stocking cap Saturday. I hope she doesn't get thrown out of the stadium the next cold game.
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If the casual fans don't show up on bad weather days against bad teams, who cares?
Why do we need an additional 2000 fans who sit there silently like they are watching an opera? I would bet the percentage of these 2000 people who would actually pay for their tickets would be shockingly small, so it would not affect revenue at all IMO.
Make the playoffs more than once a decade maybe they'll come back, maybe not. Screw 'em either way.
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I am and have been a long time YSU fan. I graduated from there and attended games back at Rayen Stadium, to Campbell, to Fitch and then at the Ice Castle. I was fortunate to travel to three different championship games. When they were hot in the 90's YSU was the place to been seen. Games were the social event of the week. As the teams declined so did the attendance. It is no surprise to see poorly attended games. What I find sad is that posters are attacking Mooney and Ursuline because fans attend those games and not YSU. This board is about YSU, not the local high schools. Mooney and Ursuline have provided their fans with state championships over the last decade while YSU has fallen on its face when the chips were down and a playoff spot was at stake. Wake up folks! The problem is YSU and the product that is on the field every Saturday. No one wants to see Butler and St. Francis. Those glory days are gone and YSU needs to carve a new niche and begin to establish itself again as a legitimate playoff contender.
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I am and have been a long time YSU fan. I graduated from there and attended games back at Rayen Stadium, to Campbell, to Fitch and then at the Ice Castle. I was fortunate to travel to three different championship games. When they were hot in the 90's YSU was the place to been seen. Games were the social event of the week. As the teams declined so did the attendance. It is no surprise to see poorly attended games. What I find sad is that posters are attacking Mooney and Ursuline because fans attend those games and not YSU. This board is about YSU, not the local high schools. Mooney and Ursuline have provided their fans with state championships over the last decade while YSU has fallen on its face when the chips were down and a playoff spot was at stake. Wake up folks! The problem is YSU and the product that is on the field every Saturday. No one wants to see Butler and St. Francis. Those glory days are gone and YSU needs to carve a new niche and begin to establish itself again as a legitimate playoff contender.
Bob-YSU is a national title contender this year and for the next 3 years. Go to a game. This team has all the tools. Watch them play.
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Bob I agree with you too an extent. The point is however that when YSU the past two years has needed a nice crowd for that home field advantage, they haven't got it. Both those games were huge with major playoff implications. How would that affect your morale as a player busting your butt week in and week out and have very little support from alumni and current students, it's embarrassing. Bottom line come out and watch the team, anyone can support a winner, true fans support there team winning or losing.
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Here on this board lies your key:
Let's not cry over it. Worse, let's not attack people over attendance. Neither of these are the same as mentioning attendance.
If you attack someone over some issue (for example attending a ysu game), you have lost them for good. If someone tries to guilt me into coming to a YSU game, I am not going to do it for fear of being embarrassed by some people that I know that may be "regulars" (such as the person that made me feel guilty). Instead, if you tell people how good the team is this year, or maybe mention a couple of awesome players or plays, then you spark interest and they will want to come. In short, it becomes something that people want to attend, rather than feel a sense of obligation to do so.
We had the same conversation at the preseason Penguin Club meeting before the spring game. I feel that the "Will-Call" booth needs to be opened even if we only have 5k to 10k in sales. It should be open if we sell 2 tickets. When fans win the 50/50, the announcement should tell them to go to the will-call booth. It generates a feeling of excitement and desire to attend' also a sense of urgency to do so. The same thing happens here on this board. This is fans website, why would anyone attack anyone else on this board? Obviously it is full of people that care ...try being more of a preacher, and less of a theologian. Don't "tell" a fiend or family member to attend ...rather "invite" them.
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Geriatrics my friends, geriatrics!!! You fail to realize that this town is old and the people are old and the fans that went to the games in the 90's when it was popular are now old. We do not have a young fan base anymore. No young people moving into the community. Forget about Poland, Canfield, Mooney, Ursuline fans coming to a YSU game, they don't get it. Geriatric Crowd...do I need to post the picture of the woman crocheting in the stands again?
GO GUINS!
Just got up from my afternoon nap, darn I missed the buffet special again, anyway I wanted to check the board before I go to bed for the night. Yawn!
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I get a kick out of all the local fans that are complaining about attendance. Here's a thought, put your money where your mouth is and actually go to the games!
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All it takes for "fans" to be more of a factor at home games according to y'all is for the team to be winning. Do you fail to realize that every year under Wolfs tenure the team has increased its win total from years past (3,6,7,8). And the past 3 years the team has been 1 game away from the playoffs. But in those crucial playoff games where the team needed a 'home field crowd' they got nothing. It is in fact a running joke around the community to guess the attendance for the game (last week the pre-game prediction was 5,000) which is such a shame due to the talent level of the team this year as well as the overall record (should be undefeated).
How can you put this on the players, when the players bring 500+ of the "butts in the seats" due to friends and family coming to support them. If the players could pay to have a sellout every home game and have a home atmosphere like they experience on the road, I would be willing to bet any amount of money that they would do that in a heart beat.
The best home atmosphere those boys have had all year was at the end of the Western game when the true fans stayed after the bandwagoners left and the game was given up to a Hail Mary at the end. The players seemed out of sync because they were not used to playing in a home atmosphere like that on offense. Watch the post game interviews from that game, there were a lot of communication errors because the defense was not used to playing in a loud environment such as that.
Every week all everybody needs to do is bring 1 or 2 people, not get black out drunk at the tailgate, make it to the game and all these problems will solved in no time. Well that and our boys making playoffs this year.
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So who at YSU is responsible for getting information to the media?
Was that Christian's dad running around in shorts on Saturday?
I saw Andre Stubbs mom wearing an OSU stocking cap Saturday. I hope she doesn't get thrown out of the stadium the next cold game.
Haha, yes that was our dad in the shorts. Not sure why, he just always wears shorts. I was bundled up cause I cant stand the cold. Couple Players said that this past game was one of the coldest games they have played in the past couple years. Said the wind on the field level was brutal and made it feel that much colder.
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All it takes for "fans" to be more of a factor at home games according to y'all is for the team to be winning. Do you fail to realize that every year under Wolfs tenure the team has increased its win total from years past (3,6,7,8). And the past 3 years the team has been 1 game away from the playoffs. But in those crucial playoff games where the team needed a 'home field crowd' they got nothing. It is in fact a running joke around the community to guess the attendance for the game (last week the pre-game prediction was 5,000) which is such a shame due to the talent level of the team this year as well as the overall record (should be undefeated).
How can you put this on the players, when the players bring 500+ of the "butts in the seats" due to friends and family coming to support them. If the players could pay to have a sellout every home game and have a home atmosphere like they experience on the road, I would be willing to bet any amount of money that they would do that in a heart beat.
The best home atmosphere those boys have had all year was at the end of the Western game when the true fans stayed after the bandwagoners left and the game was given up to a Hail Mary at the end. The players seemed out of sync because they were not used to playing in a home atmosphere like that on offense. Watch the post game interviews from that game, there were a lot of communication errors because the defense was not used to playing in a loud environment such as that.
Every week all everybody needs to do is bring 1 or 2 people, not get black out drunk at the tailgate, make it to the game and all these problems will solved in no time. Well that and our boys making playoffs this year.
This is a nice post. Alot of the players do bring alot of family and friends. I know for a fact that my family brings at least 10 to almost all home games. We utilize Christians tickets that he gets for the team, and we have 4 more for the Penguin club. Aside from that often times if his roomates families are unable to attend we use them up as well. Next week for Senior day I am flying up, and I know that we have 15-20 coming up. And you are right, each year under Wolford their record has improved. Only thing missing is a playoff birth, (fingers crossed hoping that this is the year)!
Go Guins fb
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We are not the only one with attendance issues. ISU had to be disappointed with Saturday's turnout. 7-1 team playing a 7-2 team for 2nd place in the conference, decent weather, and only 8300 tickets sold.
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Get everyone you can to attend. The seniors really deserve a nice crowd.
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Agreed. fb
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All it takes for "fans" to be more of a factor at home games according to y'all is for the team to be winning. Do you fail to realize that every year under Wolfs tenure the team has increased its win total from years past (3,6,7,8). And the past 3 years the team has been 1 game away from the playoffs. But in those crucial playoff games where the team needed a 'home field crowd' they got nothing. It is in fact a running joke around the community to guess the attendance for the game (last week the pre-game prediction was 5,000) which is such a shame due to the talent level of the team this year as well as the overall record (should be undefeated).
How can you put this on the players, when the players bring 500+ of the "butts in the seats" due to friends and family coming to support them. If the players could pay to have a sellout every home game and have a home atmosphere like they experience on the road, I would be willing to bet any amount of money that they would do that in a heart beat.
The best home atmosphere those boys have had all year was at the end of the Western game when the true fans stayed after the bandwagoners left and the game was given up to a Hail Mary at the end. The players seemed out of sync because they were not used to playing in a home atmosphere like that on offense. Watch the post game interviews from that game, there were a lot of communication errors because the defense was not used to playing in a loud environment such as that.
Every week all everybody needs to do is bring 1 or 2 people, not get black out drunk at the tailgate, make it to the game and all these problems will solved in no time. Well that and our boys making playoffs this year.
This is a nice post and I was one of those at the WIU game. I don't think any other team fans "truly understand" the concept of the '12th man' more than Penguin fans. However, we were 1-game away several times under Heacock ...with a team that played a style of ball (particularly on defense) that we are much more accustomed to and enjoy. SO if we wanted to continue to be "just one more game away" then why did we switch coaches? I might add we are only 1-away because the size of the field is increased. In a 16-team field ...how close were we? Even worse is that most people do not realize just how different ball is played in the play-off. It requires a great deal of experience that Wolford and his staff does not have. Tressel learned to this through constant trips top the post-season; but that first title in 1991, was won on pure brawn. By 1994, we were able to outsmart a couple of finesse teams.
My point is ...Wofford has a long ways to go even when he does make the post-season.
At that WIU game (or was it USD?) we simply had to line up and play. The officiating became quite bothersome and some of us had enough and became even louder. I was upset because the fans did not seem to know what they were doing. That QB was signal calling with his hands and voice ...why was not every fan in the stands clapping and then yelling. There was a fan that came down from about row 40, up to the row-1 bar ...and he was clapping in the isle to show everyone what to do. In "the old days" we would have noisemakers and those plastic clapping hands to make even more disruptions. Then these same fans complain about a boring game ...get there and get involved; in that order!
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To make matters worse our brilliant media members in the valley are broadcasting the game live on Saturday.
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I just wish more people throughout the Valley (not the people on this site) would care about coming to the games and giving a damn about our team, because what a lot of people dont realize is that in college football unlike the nfl have completely different teams every year and this team that we get to watch this year is definitely something special.
mark my words.... ysu will be a playoff team for the next 3 years (this year included)
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Not only did Wolf's second half collapse hurt attendance for this week's game, but the TV powers dealt it another blow by scheduling the OSU game for noon on Saturday. Sure hope the weather doesn't get any worse.
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I just wish more people throughout the Valley (not the people on this site) would care about coming to the games and giving a damn about our team, because what a lot of people dont realize is that in college football unlike the nfl have completely different teams every year and this team that we get to watch this year is definitely something special.
mark my words.... ysu will be a playoff team for the next 3 years (this year included)
If games were 3 quarters long we might win 3 NC's 8)