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Is there a link to that manual? It should be shared with all local media.
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Is there a link to that manual? It should be shared with all local media.
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016DIMFB_ParticipantManual_v2_20161212.pdf
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http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016DIMFB_ParticipantManual_v2_20161212.pdf
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Nation:
"No hard ticket returns will be accepted."
"The NCAA will invoice the participating institutions for all tickets taken"
Please do not infer items. It says that hard tickets cannot be returned. You need to stop these kind of posts or leave the board. You did not even read what you posted. It states nowhere that these tickets will be refunded. When you find this out ...then make your post with the parties names or documentation.
geez, for a person so concerned with slander of a coach with comments that came from another institution, you should know better. Stop messing with the thread. If you want to make some sort of ticket conspiracy thread; go for it. Save this one for people looking to buy tickets.
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Page number 5. Any unused tickets can be returned by December 26th.
Page number 50 - Hard printed tickets can't be returned. However electronic tickets can be returned.
Pretty black and white. YSU lied to the fan base or had no clue how to handle electronic tickets.
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Teams may return any unused tickets by 5 p.m. Eastern time on Monday, December 26.
We were lied to!!
GO GUINS
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Wow. Does your AD moderate this site?
Fact: YSU could request flash seats (online seats) and they had until Monday the 26th to either sell and accept them or return them.
Your AD screwed you guys. If you want to bury your head in the sand go ahead. Again, I couldn't care less what you guys do, but that is my opinion watching this from an unbiased view.
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AGAIN:
It says NO HARD TICKETS SALES CAN BE RETURNED.
It also does not state that there will be a refund issued.
I simply asked for proof BEFORE you make a post that assumes things, which is fair. Besides ...until you see tickets sold out then who cares? Further more, if electronic tickets are available ...does this mean that YSU is part of this system? I mean there are so many variables here and Nation just assumes the worst. I guarantee you if this were and issue with someone named Pelini or Tressel, he would never mention it ... even defend it.
I have no issue with someone screwing up, but you better prove it.
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The reason I posted the link to the entire manual and an excerpt was so there were no inferences. Instead there was transparency and full validation of my claims. What you did, as I expected you to, was delete the information so that you can cover up the anti-YSU ineptitude and dishonesty of our Athletic Department. This manual from the NCAA is a smoking gun that: a) massive mistakes were made in this historic event, and b) the Athletic Department lied to cover up their errors.
Again, here is the content of the NCAA manual. The only reason to delete it a second time is to censor information from the readership of this forum.
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Not later than Sunday, December 18 each institution shall inform Trina Simerly how many tickets
they would like for the championship game (and their locations). Confirmed sales only will be
printed and shipped via next-day delivery to each institution by AXS. Ticket links will be provided
to ticket managers for the remaining block (with Flash Seats as the required method of delivery).
A participating institution may return any unsold tickets. They will need to inform Trina Simerly at
the NCAA (tsimerly@ncaa.org; 317-917-6516) of the number of electronic tickets to be returned
and their location no later than 5 p.m. Eastern time Monday, December 26. No hard ticket returns
will be accepted. Once the competing institutions release the tickets being retained, the NCAA and
Team Frisco may use them for sale to the general public.
The NCAA will invoice the participating institutions for all tickets taken and payment will be due
to the NCAA not later than 30 days after the date of the championship game.
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"Confirmed sales only will be printed and shipped" Those are hard tickets that are already paid for. I'm not sure of many scenarios of why there would be refunds and a loss.
Non-hard tickets are e-tickets, sold by Flash Seats, and unsold ones can be returned by 26 December...still 3 days away...but we can't cuz the AD already gave these to JMU...and JMU already sold them.
We had until 30 days after 7 January 2017 to pay for anything......a risk-free loan courtesy of the NCAA.
Again, this is the smoking gun of costly ineptitude and trafficking of a lie to the public. I post this as an alumni and life-long fan. To delete this is to support those who lie and hurt the University. Your call.
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Page number 50. NCAA will invoice school for tickets. Payment due not less then 30 days after the championship date.
What further proof do you need?
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WOW!!! We got screwed!! There had to be more to the story!! I am speechless!
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Is there a link to that manual? It should be shared with all local media.
ABSOLUTELY!!!
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The reason I posted the link to the entire manual and an excerpt was so there were no inferences. Instead there was transparency and full validation of my claims. What you did, as I expected you to, was delete the information so that you can cover up the anti-YSU ineptitude and dishonesty of our Athletic Department. This manual from the NCAA is a smoking gun that: a) massive mistakes were made in this historic event, and b) the Athletic Department lied to cover up their errors.
Again, here is the content of the NCAA manual. The only reason to delete it a second time is to censor information from the readership of this forum.
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Not later than Sunday, December 18 each institution shall inform Trina Simerly how many tickets
they would like for the championship game (and their locations). Confirmed sales only will be
printed and shipped via next-day delivery to each institution by AXS. Ticket links will be provided
to ticket managers for the remaining block (with Flash Seats as the required method of delivery).
A participating institution may return any unsold tickets. They will need to inform Trina Simerly at
the NCAA (tsimerly@ncaa.org; 317-917-6516) of the number of electronic tickets to be returned
and their location no later than 5 p.m. Eastern time Monday, December 26. No hard ticket returns
will be accepted. Once the competing institutions release the tickets being retained, the NCAA and
Team Frisco may use them for sale to the general public.
The NCAA will invoice the participating institutions for all tickets taken and payment will be due
to the NCAA not later than 30 days after the date of the championship game.
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"Confirmed sales only will be printed and shipped" Those are hard tickets that are already paid for. I'm not sure of many scenarios of why there would be refunds and a loss.
Non-hard tickets are e-tickets, sold by Flash Seats, and unsold ones can be returned by 26 December...still 3 days away...but we can't cuz the AD already gave these to JMU...and JMU already sold them.
We had until 30 days after 7 January 2017 to pay for anything......a risk-free loan courtesy of the NCAA.
Again, this is the smoking gun of costly ineptitude and trafficking of a lie to the public. I post this as an alumni and life-long fan. To delete this is to support those who lie and hurt the University. Your call.
No what I did was delete you post as I am not going to sort through it. You could have posted everything you did, BUT the part where you claimed the AD was incompetent ...your usual meal of the day. Better learn to start posting. There is a possible story here and you ruin it, just like you ruin everything. As if the team does not have enough to worry about.
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Here are the lies the YSU SID told the local media in the cover-up....who never questioned it. Unfortunately the truth was found on alternative media/AGS...not the "fake news" the Vindy traffics in.
YSU was required to put a bid in for tickets right after its second-round win over Jacksonville State on Dec. 3, said YSU Sports Information Director Trevor Parks. YSU set aside $75,000 for the bid, which turned into 1,000 seats, which went quickly.
If YSU would have purchased seats that didn’t sell, the school would have been on the hook for them financially.
“You just had to try to get a feel for what makes sense,” Parks said. “You had to give them a number you knew you could meet.”
http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/21/ysu-sells-out-tickets-championship-game/
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just drop it and go enjoy the game... there are plenty of tickets available at reasonable prices
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I don't know the SID and have no need to but the appearance he makes with that beard is completely unprofessional considering the current media feeds.
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Well now...isn't all of that a bit interesting. So if the athletic department knew and understood these guidelines but told the public something else...is it fair to say they screwed up? Also, if they did NOT know and understand these guidelines is it ALSO fair to say they screwed up? Hot damn the answer is a resounding YES to
both.
Can't wait for someone's attempt to "spin" or explain this.
SHEESH!!! Thats just beyond...well...sorry...incompetence!!!
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just drop it and go enjoy the game... there are plenty of tickets available at reasonable prices
Drop it and go to the game? Are you kidding me? There are plenty of tickets available? I wanted/intended to sit with the group of 7 that I will be attending with. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I can't because the Athletic Department chose to not worry about me.....the fan....the 30+year season ticket holder. DROP IT??? Screw you!!!
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Folks, here's a positive way to spin this. When we're back in Frisco next season, can our Athletic Department not lie and screw up?!
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Folks, here's a positive way to spin this. When we're back in Frisco next season, can our Athletic Department not lie and screw up?!
Next year, everyone on the opposite side of the bracket will be rooting for you guys.
You have that going for ya. ;D
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AGS !!! LOL glad you did not say news media. Just another BBS. Besides we found that here before they did.
Again still waiting for someone to prove there was no cost to YSU beyond the ability to return the tickets. Has anyone discovered if the return will include a full refund? Has anyone discovered if we have some sort of special link and/or software with the NCAA required to reserve these flash seats?
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COVER UP! LIE! They blamed the NCAA and the fans for not coming to the playoff games. They blamed us on the ticket issue and now the truth came out! I want an official apology! Now because of this cover up and ineptness - we had to buy tickets all over the stadium and have no chance of sitting together - 17 fans!!
COVER UP!!!
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Folks, here's a positive way to spin this. When we're back in Frisco next season, can our Athletic Department not lie and screw up?!
Next year, everyone on the opposite side of the bracket will be rooting for you guys.
You have that going for ya. ;D
LOL ;D
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just drop it and go enjoy the game... there are plenty of tickets available at reasonable prices
Drop it and go to the game? Are you kidding me? There are plenty of tickets available? I wanted/intended to sit with the group of 7 that I will be attending with. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I can't because the Athletic Department chose to not worry about me.....the fan....the 30+year season ticket holder. DROP IT??? Screw you!!!
YES!!!
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Nation fel free to post and quote your link anytime you so desire. Add your comments and it will go away pnce again. At least until you answer the questions I posed in my previous post in this thread.
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Nation fel free to post and quote your link anytime you so desire. Add your comments and it will go away pnce again. At least until you answer the questions I posed in my previous post in this thread.
Thank you for showing the troll the door.
Add your comments and it will go away pnce again.
Why?
At least until you answer the questions I posed in my previous post in this thread.
I did. Once again, hard tickets are prepaid and almost always nonrefundable, therefore no risk of a loss. The remainder are e-tickets and we had until 26 December to sell those. If unsold, we could return them. Whatever we didn't return had zero financial obligation until 6 February 2017.....not even a deposit was requested by the NCAA. Crazy generous terms provided by the NCAA.
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They lied! Plain and simple. They realized after the 18th that they could have gotten more tickets and covered it up with stories about NCAA and fan support at playoff games...all lies. We had the opportunity to get 3000 electronic no obligation seats in YSU sections that fans attending the game could have gotten online and bought in blocks and groups until DECEMBER 26 5:00PM!!!!!!! The crap our group went through when we found out tickets were sold out was beyond bulls***!!
THIS IS BULLS***
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Page number 5. Any unused tickets can be returned by December 26th.
Page number 50 - Hard printed tickets can't be returned. However electronic tickets can be returned.
Pretty black and white. YSU lied to the fan base or had no clue how to handle electronic tickets.
YEP!!
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Nation fel free to post and quote your link anytime you so desire. Add your comments and it will go away pnce again. At least until you answer the questions I posed in my previous post in this thread.
Thank you for showing the troll the door.
Add your comments and it will go away pnce again.
Why?
At least until you answer the questions I posed in my previous post in this thread.
I did. Once again, hard tickets are prepaid and almost always nonrefundable, therefore no risk of a loss. The remainder are e-tickets and we had until 26 December to sell those. If unsold, we could return them. Whatever we didn't return had zero financial obligation until 6 February 2017.....not even a deposit was requested by the NCAA. Crazy generous terms provided by the NCAA.
I'd say that does it!!
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AGS !!! LOL glad you did not say news media. Just another BBS. Besides we found that here before they did.
Again still waiting for someone to prove there was no cost to YSU beyond the ability to return the tickets. Has anyone discovered if the return will include a full refund? Has anyone discovered if we have some sort of special link and/or software with the NCAA required to reserve these flash seats?
I'm not sure why you're struggling with this, but here it is again.
"A participating institution may return any unsold tickets. They will need to inform Trina Simerly at
the NCAA (tsimerly@ncaa.org; 317-917-6516) of the number of electronic tickets to be returned
and their location no later than 5 p.m. Eastern time Monday, December 26. No hard ticket returns
will be accepted. Once the competing institutions release the tickets being retained, the NCAA and
Team Frisco may use them for sale to the general public.
The NCAA will invoice the participating institutions for all tickets taken and payment will be due
to the NCAA not later than 30 days after the date of the championship game"
The only thing YSU was on the hook for was any hard tickets.
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IMO, asking the NCAA to ship hard tickets is like admitting you still use a rotary phone. I wonder how long its been since any institution in the Natty requested them.
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I did. Once again, hard tickets are prepaid and almost always nonrefundable, therefore no risk of a loss. The remainder are e-tickets and we had until 26 December to sell those. If unsold, we could return them. Whatever we didn't return had zero financial obligation until 6 February 2017.....not even a deposit was requested by the NCAA. Crazy generous terms provided by the NCAA.
Show me this. I have now read every single page in that pamphlet. Please show me where there is no obligation to the school. I can return things at almost any store ...does not mean I get full credit. The deposit is that we must order at least 1k.
Please show me that ordering these "flash" tickets give credit to the school, can be refunded at full price and that we have the necessary software to support the system to sell them.
In which case why not call the NCAA and ask why they even sell hard tickets? Then YSU will get full credit with truly no outlay. Then I could call, login or go the ticket office (YSU could even make ticketron/master feel guilty and sell with no fee) and get tickets in the YSU section. Sorry I do not buy all of this.
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I did. Once again, hard tickets are prepaid and almost always nonrefundable, therefore no risk of a loss. The remainder are e-tickets and we had until 26 December to sell those. If unsold, we could return them. Whatever we didn't return had zero financial obligation until 6 February 2017.....not even a deposit was requested by the NCAA. Crazy generous terms provided by the NCAA.
Show me this. I have now read every single page in that pamphlet. Please show me where there is no obligation to the school. I can return things at almost any store ...does not mean I get full credit. The deposit is that we must order at least 1k.
Please show me that ordering these "flash" tickets give credit to the school and that we have the necessary software to support it.
In which case why not call the NCAA and ask why they even sell hard tickets? Then YSU will get full credit with truly no outlay. Then I could call, login or go the ticket office (YSU could even make ticketron/master feel guilty and sell with no fee) and get tickets in the YSU section. Sorry I do not buy it.
Here again is the relevant section of the manual:
Not later than Sunday, December 18 each institution shall inform Trina Simerly how many tickets
they would like for the championship game (and their locations). Confirmed sales only will be
printed and shipped via next-day delivery to each institution by AXS. Ticket links will be provided
to ticket managers for the remaining block (with Flash Seats as the required method of delivery).
A participating institution may return any unsold tickets. They will need to inform Trina Simerly at
the NCAA (tsimerly@ncaa.org; 317-917-6516) of the number of electronic tickets to be returned
and their location no later than 5 p.m. Eastern time Monday, December 26. No hard ticket returns
will be accepted. Once the competing institutions release the tickets being retained, the NCAA and
Team Frisco may use them for sale to the general public.
The NCAA will invoice the participating institutions for all tickets taken and payment will be due
to the NCAA not later than 30 days after the date of the championship game.
There are two methods for an institution to get tickets from the NCAA: hard tickets and e-tickets.
Hard tickets are antiquated and I doubt relevant, but in case I'm wrong, they are already sold by YSU and for some reason they want them shipped from the NCAA. Since already sold and nonrefundable, it is impossible to take a loss on them.
The NCAA has contracted with a company called Flash Seats to provide e-tickets, which are converted to paper tickets when printed at YSU. These could be returned by 26 December if unsold to the NCAA. Again, no risk prior to 26 December...I mean zero risk.
There was zero risk in requesting the full allotment of 4k tickets electronically, and holding on to them until 26 December at 4:59 pm. The NCAA tried to give us the best terms possible and we blew it....and then lied about it
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You guys are unbelievable.....
Who gives a damn if YSU screwed up.
There are plenty of seats still available.
I-AA are you going?
Nation are you going?
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That is not what I asked ...so show me. You could be 100% correct (that there is zero financial obligation to YSU) but I do not see it in writing anywhere in what you typed or what is on any page in the manual. I do not have the link in front of me ...so feel free to post it.
Honestly I could care less if they made a mistake and apologized ...happens all the time. I just do not see it happening. However I can easily see a 3rd-party charging a fee and YSU not wanting to pay it ...in which case I applaud the move. Because there might not be anything stopping JMU fans from using it. Again there are many holes in your accusation.
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You guys are unbelievable.....
Who gives a damn if YSU screwed up.
There are plenty of seats still available.
I-AA are you going?
Nation are you going?
Now maybe you see some of the frustrations that I get from Nation all the time. He comes on here and posts anything he wants an refuses to let anyone type a comment after him. As to my attendance ...sorry I am not. However, I have been to every championship game ...including the 1979 game ...prior to this. Just no cash for it. However, in my tailgate group, 6 are going, all seats were bought together from ticket office.
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That is not what I asked ...so show me. You could be 100% correct (that there is zero financial obligation to YSU) but I do not see it in writing anywhere in what you typed or what is on any page in the manual. I do not have the link in front of me ...so feel free to post it.
Honestly I could care less if they made a mistake and apologized ...happens all the time. I just do not see it happening. However I can easily see a 3rd-party charging a fee and YSU not wanting to pay it ...in which case I applaud the move. Because there might not be anything stopping JMU fans from using it. Again there are many holes in your accusation.
I can't say it any plainer than I have. It directly says, "A participating institution may return any unsold tickets." You are concerned about, "No hard ticket returns will be accepted." So don't buy hard tickets....although again these are customarily prepaid...so either way you are risk-free.
I think you've reached your conclusion long before reviewing the evidence. I can't prevent you from denying the obvious.
Honestly I could care less if they made a mistake and apologized
Apologized?? They made a mistake and LIED about it.
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Now maybe you see some of the frustrations that I get from Nation all the time. He comes on here and posts anything he wants an refuses to let anyone type a comment after him.
What? Hahahahaha ;D
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That is not what I asked ...so show me. You could be 100% correct (that there is zero financial obligation to YSU) but I do not see it in writing anywhere in what you typed or what is on any page in the manual. I do not have the link in front of me ...so feel free to post it.
Honestly I could care less if they made a mistake and apologized ...happens all the time. I just do not see it happening. However I can easily see a 3rd-party charging a fee and YSU not wanting to pay it ...in which case I applaud the move. Because there might not be anything stopping JMU fans from using it. Again there are many holes in your accusation.
I can't say it any plainer than I have. It directly says, "A participating institution may return any unsold tickets." You are concerned about, "No hard ticket returns will be accepted." So don't buy hard tickets....although again these are customarily prepaid...so either way you are risk-free.
I think you've reached your conclusion long before reviewing the evidence. I can't prevent you from denying the obvious.
Honestly I could care less if they made a mistake and apologized
Apologized?? They made a mistake and LIED about it.
LOL Afraid to do some homework. Say ...4+3=8 and I can prove it.
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Folks, here's a positive way to spin this. When we're back in Frisco next season, can our Athletic Department not lie and screw up?!
Next year, everyone on the opposite side of the bracket will be rooting for you guys.
You have that going for ya. ;D
I'm quite happy with our opponent! 8)
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Now maybe you see some of the frustrations that I get from Nation all the time. He comes on here and posts anything he wants an refuses to let anyone type a comment after him.
What? Hahahahaha ;D
Game set match. You do nothing but come here and attack my alma mater on a daily basis. You cannot stand anyone questioning your theories and calling you disloyal. BTW, you do not do what Pally did ...which is why you are still here. You have a long ways to go to catch up with him.
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LOL Afraid to do some homework. Say ...4+3=8 and I can prove it.
lol....you are a ticketgate denier.....it's literally all right there......
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Now maybe you see some of the frustrations that I get from Nation all the time. He comes on here and posts anything he wants an refuses to let anyone type a comment after him.
What? Hahahahaha ;D
Game set match. You do nothing but come here and attack my alma mater on a daily basis. You cannot stand anyone questioning your theories and calling you disloyal. BTW, you do not do what Pally did ...which is why you are still here. You have a long ways to go to catch up with him.
Man, you got to put away the rose colored glasses. I don't know the history of you and PN, but regarding this he just laid down the smoking gun.
Every YSU fan should be demanding answers on this. Just because someone is critical of the University doesn't mean they are less of a fan, and if as fans and/or students you don't demand better you won't get better.
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I think that someone missing a chromosome f'd up and then they tried to make it sound like a complicated process and hope that people don't ask. I recommend a reprimand by the genius that did this. I want the difference between what I paid and the face value but I also want punitive damages because I couldn't get my entire group together
If the community supported the team properly and went to the games nobody would have anything to b**** about. Just bring your assistance of the game. Now carry on
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You guys argue about stupid sh!t. You are in the National Championship game. Wouldn't discussing your game plan, your opponent, etc. be more relevant than discussing which one of you is the bigger a$$hole?
Just sayin'. It looks weird to an outsider. See you in Frisco!
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Great post!! Unfortunately we have people like penguin nation and 1AA fan that have no clue about Football ,, BUTT, message boards let people like them have there say.. Carry On!!
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As I stated earlier attendance was shi!tty. If they would have been able to predict the demand they wouldn't be under so much scrutiny, however there is also a lot to say about the pussified fans that didn't show all year. I know that most regulars on here go to the games, so that statement was not directed at you. However, there are a lot of people in Youngstown that are bandwagon fair weather fans. Not just figuratively but literally. The underlying problem is budget and the effects of attendance on the shoestring budget. People want tickets to the NC but not to a playoff game? In my mind can't have it both ways. If the attendance was there they would have bought the allotment.
I want an newspaper article that hits the general population in the mahoning Valley with some deserved guilt. We can do better than this with attemdamce as a community. Most of the tailgate lot is geriatric at this point. Where is the next generation? The population density has not dropped significantly enough for attendance to be as poor as it has been. Face it....... group ticket sales and corporate sponsors have to represent the majority of the tickets sold and their distribution to the freeloaders is making the university almost totally dependent on them. It's exactly how the mafia would control it. YSU doesn't have access to the fans directly.......YSU has access through the corporate sponsors that distribute tickets to free loaders. Because of this issue they really don't have a clue how many tickets they needed to order. The free loaders don't have any skin in the game so if it is cold.....they stay home. If they need to go to their sisters cousins uncles daughter's baptism and there is free food, well they will just go to that because nobody's going to use the free ticket anyway, plus there is probably free food and it isn't cold outside. Maybe they will give the ticket to some bum that needs it.
Lesson to be learned.........tell people to buy their own tickets. They are trained to ask for free tickets just like dogs. Need to break the habit and make the games more exclusive. Then they will come to the games. Culturally people want to belong, but in Youngstown that notion is amplified about 1000 times (probably due to our history if you get my drift).
I recommend significant and constant peer pressure within the community starting 3 weeks before Labor Day and throughout the season. Recruit people to the games...that will leave little doubt on how many toclets they need to purchase. Our athletic program is not sustainable at the current rate of attendance. It may also be the reason why we aren't hiring the best.......because it all boils down to money when it comes to getting talent. Pelini won't likely be here forever. Our coaching salary is no where near the top of the FCS. If anyone wannts to be FBS, it has to change like yesterday
http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/24/demand-for-tickets-catches-ysu-off-guard/?mobile
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Okay:
From the NCAA clearing house of all places, I sent the email to the address in the pamphlet & no personal signature either ...but it is official:
Thank you for your letter. In answer to your questions, it is quite common for teams to order paper-only tickets and is the most common method. It protects seating. I believe both teams involved in Saturday's contest only ordered from their paper-allotment.
They really did not answer any of my questions, but at least we know. Now can we put this to bed?
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http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/24/demand-for-tickets-catches-ysu-off-guard/
I don't buy the e-ticket excuse. You would turn down a risk-free loan of tickets until 26 December because JMU would buy our seats? Some might try, but like us, most want to sit with their side. You could limit them to PC members, students, alumni association members, and season ticket holders....and effectively screen out any JMU fans. Also, you could require ticket purchasers (outside of those groups mentioned) pick them up at the YSU ticket office.
Also, this article does not address why did the SID lie about the dates?
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What a bunch of Whiney ass b****es on here. Embarrassing. Bunch of Nancy girls, especially Peter and Nation. You disgrace the entire fan base. Grow up.
Merry Christmas, little girls..
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http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/24/demand-for-tickets-catches-ysu-off-guard/
I don't buy the e-ticket excuse. You would turn down a risk-free loan of tickets until 26 December because JMU would buy our seats? Some might try, but like us, most want to sit with their side. You could limit them to PC members, students, alumni association members, and season ticket holders....and effectively screen out any JMU fans. Also, you could require ticket purchasers (outside of those groups mentioned) pick them up at the YSU ticket office.
Also, this article does not address why did the SID lie about the dates?
Penguin Nation .. I introduced my self earlier on different thread. Im an ISU Redbird fan. I don't know your posting history and battles with moderator, but you are right on with your concerns over YSU handling of ticket allotment. Per my other post, in our 2014 run, our Admin initially screwed up but recovered nicely and we wound up using our full allotment.
Your Admin was completely unprepared for the ticket buying .. either too lazy/uninformed. But it is obvious they didn't want any risk of getting stuck with any tickets after losing money with earlier playoff bids .. except now we're talking about the National Championship. Possibly they were given directive to not lose any more money .. but that wouldn't explain lying to your fan base or being too lazy to read the actual rules, which are now clear to most people.
By the way, the blow up for ISU was over AD Strollo's comment below from article you linked. ISU initially bought entire allotment but was not prepare to screen or impose reservation priority system .. so a bunch of Bison fans got wind of this and started buying our tickets from us. Our fan board went ballistic and our Admin quickly recovered by imposing a priority reservation system that required buyers to reserve only, and then all reservations would be subjected to a priority points system based on their affiliation/contributions to ISU.
“If we chose the electronic option then anyone could’ve bought those and we could’ve had James Madison fans buy our tickets and sit in our section,” Strollo said. “We wanted to protect our tickets and make sure our people were getting tickets in our sections. - See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/24/demand-for-tickets-catches-ysu-off-guard/#sthash.PBZqkiOv.dpuf
So in 2014, ISU effectively blocked anyone unaffiliated with ISU from having their ticket reservation fulfilled. Someone tell AD Strollo, they could have set uo reservation system with priority points .. we did it in a matter of days after realizing Bison were trying to buy our tickets from us in droves.
That said, the idea that YSU wouldn't sell more than 1,000 tickets for a championship game is pretty ludicrous given your history and fan base. ISU has very similar issue with our fan base .. pretty fair weather group in general. In 2014 run, we drew just 5650 for our 1st round playoff against UNI .. MVFC co-champs, 5th seed, big rival UNI, decent December weather, though students were gone for break .. and we drew just 5650, of which at least 700 were UNI. So we drew less than 5k for game in our back yard. For the championship, we sold our entire 3,300 allotment and probably had close to another 700 throughout the stadium .. so we got 4k to Frisco after getting just 5k BloNo in 1st round. YSU would no doubt have done similar and likely better.
Now given how unprepared your Sports Admin was, imagine if Bison had won their semi .. they would have scooped everything, outside of the 1,000 YSU bought .. everything, especially considering the end zones are under construction. There would have been zero tickets available. Bison normally get 17-19k of the 21k capacity in Frisco. This year, I believe capacity will be closer to 16k or so with end zone construction. Imagine that scenario with just 1,000 tickets in hand for YSU, when offered 4,000.
As it happens, fortunately for YSU fans (and your Sports Admin Dept), JMU won and there will be tickets freeing up at reasonable prices closer to game week .. though less due to construction. But that does not change the fact that your Admin was woefully unprepared and/or uninformed, and then lied to your fans on several fronts.
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Thanks for the info Redbird. You included the AD's quote from the article:
“If we chose the electronic option then anyone could’ve bought those and we could’ve had James Madison fans buy our tickets and sit in our section,” Strollo said. “We wanted to protect our tickets and make sure our people were getting tickets in our sections."
He was worried about JMU fans infiltrating our sections....so he gave JMU our sections wholesale. :D
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Now maybe you see some of the frustrations that I get from Nation all the time. He comes on here and posts anything he wants an refuses to let anyone type a comment after him.
What? Hahahahaha ;D
Game set match. You do nothing but come here and attack my alma mater on a daily basis. You cannot stand anyone questioning your theories and calling you disloyal. BTW, you do not do what Pally did ...which is why you are still here. You have a long ways to go to catch up with him.
Man, you got to put away the rose colored glasses. I don't know the history of you and PN, but regarding this he just laid down the smoking gun.
Every YSU fan should be demanding answers on this. Just because someone is critical of the University doesn't mean they are less of a fan, and if as fans and/or students you don't demand better you won't get better.
Reminds me of a quote:
"What you tolerate is what will continue."
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Fix the attendance problem and you won't have to bicker over technicalities to NCAA rules
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So what Redbird ...just go away. You are obviously a fraud troll. Another one of Nations alter egos. If you want to wish us luck then do so in another thread, we could care less about your opinions. I do not go to your boards and discuss your administration.
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So what Redbird ...just go away. You are obviously a fraud troll. Another one of Nations alter egos. If you want to wish us luck then do so in another thread, we could care less about your opinions. I do not go to your boards and discuss your administration.
Your hospitality to our guests is terrible. Fans go to opponents boards all the time. Just because you can't refute points Redbird made...no need to be a Scrooge.
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So what Redbird ...just go away. You are obviously a fraud troll. Another one of Nations alter egos. If you want to wish us luck then do so in another thread, we could care less about your opinions. I do not go to your boards and discuss your administration.
Jesus, this is a sports forum, not nazi, germany. Let people voice their opinion and argue a little, my god.
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This thread is beyond pointless now. YSU dropped the ball on the tickets. I am seriously thinking of dropping my membership and other monies I give. I guess 2500 to 3k means nothing to them. Their main selling point it would give me a crack at all playoff tix. Well that was not true. I am going to Frisco because I have attended all the championship games. Strollo basically ignored the backbone of the PenguinClub and the diehards for the people in the loges. You will reap what you sew.
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This thread is beyond pointless now. YSU dropped the ball on the tickets. I am seriously thinking of dropping my membership and other monies I give. I guess 2500 to 3k means nothing to them. Their main selling point it would give me a crack at all playoff tix. Well that was not true. I am going to Frisco because I have attended all the championship games. Strollo basically ignored the backbone of the PenguinClub and the diehards for the people in the loges. You will reap what you sew.
This is where YSU gets hurt. It would be one thing if the only people affected were the ones who never show up, whine, complain, then want to be frontrunners. But this miscue affected most of the loyal fans who actually do what they're supposed to do. If this turns off both the diehards and lukewarm fans, expect even more fans to just sit at home and watch the games live on ESPN3. All it takes is a chromecast. Go Guins and let's not have this happen in future championship seasons.
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This thread is beyond pointless now. YSU dropped the ball on the tickets. I am seriously thinking of dropping my membership and other monies I give. I guess 2500 to 3k means nothing to them. Their main selling point it would give me a crack at all playoff tix. Well that was not true. I am going to Frisco because I have attended all the championship games. Strollo basically ignored the backbone of the PenguinClub and the diehards for the people in the loges. You will reap what you sew.
This is where YSU gets hurt. It would be one thing if the only people affected were the ones who never show up, whine, complain, then want to be frontrunners. But this miscue affected most of the loyal fans who actually do what they're supposed to do. If this turns off both the diehards and lukewarm fans, expect even more fans to just sit at home and watch the games live on ESPN3. All it takes is a chromecast. Go Guins and let's not have this happen in future championship seasons.
How do you get hurt? There are still tickets available. Sounds like all you want to do is b****, how about you all reach into your wallets and show up
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This thread is beyond pointless now. YSU dropped the ball on the tickets. I am seriously thinking of dropping my membership and other monies I give. I guess 2500 to 3k means nothing to them. Their main selling point it would give me a crack at all playoff tix. Well that was not true. I am going to Frisco because I have attended all the championship games. Strollo basically ignored the backbone of the PenguinClub and the diehards for the people in the loges. You will reap what you sew.
This is where YSU gets hurt. It would be one thing if the only people affected were the ones who never show up, whine, complain, then want to be frontrunners. But this miscue affected most of the loyal fans who actually do what they're supposed to do. If this turns off both the diehards and lukewarm fans, expect even more fans to just sit at home and watch the games live on ESPN3. All it takes is a chromecast. Go Guins and let's not have this happen in future championship seasons.
How do you get hurt? There are still tickets available. Sounds like all you want to do is b****, how about you all reach into your wallets and show up
It's about loyalty.
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This thread is beyond pointless now. YSU dropped the ball on the tickets. I am seriously thinking of dropping my membership and other monies I give. I guess 2500 to 3k means nothing to them. Their main selling point it would give me a crack at all playoff tix. Well that was not true. I am going to Frisco because I have attended all the championship games. Strollo basically ignored the backbone of the PenguinClub and the diehards for the people in the loges. You will reap what you sew.
This is where YSU gets hurt. It would be one thing if the only people affected were the ones who never show up, whine, complain, then want to be frontrunners. But this miscue affected most of the loyal fans who actually do what they're supposed to do. If this turns off both the diehards and lukewarm fans, expect even more fans to just sit at home and watch the games live on ESPN3. All it takes is a chromecast. Go Guins and let's not have this happen in future championship seasons.
How do you get hurt? There are still tickets available. Sounds like all you want to do is b****, how about you all reach into your wallets and show up
It's about loyalty.
Exactly so open your wallet up and be loyal to the players who busted there ass all year to get to the National Championship.
Instead most of the people on this thread have and had no intentions of going to the game but they they see a way to jump on the YSU people who screwed up. Yes they did screw up but who cares. It's about the players and they did nothing but win.
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I myself have been moving mountains trying to get off work for the game. If my time off request gets approved I'm going. Im going as a fan, to support my team.
It is rather unfortunate that this whole mess happened and I do think someone should be responsible in the athletic Dept. Ice it does matter to the extent that it should be rectified and not happen again. I do think the team still deserves the support and no one should refuse to go due to these circumstances. Mistakes do happen, despite it being really unfortunate. The worst part of the whole thing is the fact that even if we took them as hard ticket sales, we don't owe the NCAA the money until January. But alas, enough of this. I'm weary of the whole topic. Would really like it if the administration came out and appologized. I do understand the circumstances and I understand how the mistake happened. To me an apology and a promise to do better (and actually delivering on said promise in the future) and we can all move on.
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So what Redbird ...just go away. You are obviously a fraud troll. Another one of Nations alter egos. If you want to wish us luck then do so in another thread, we could care less about your opinions. I do not go to your boards and discuss your administration.
Jesus, this is a sports forum, not nazi, germany. Let people voice their opinion and argue a little, my god.
Nice post chief.
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I myself have been moving mountains trying to get off work for the game. If my time off request gets approved I'm going. Im going as a fan, to support my team.
It is rather unfortunate that this whole mess happened and I do think someone should be responsible in the athletic Dept. Ice it does matter to the extent that it should be rectified and not happen again. I do think the team still deserves the support and no one should refuse to go due to these circumstances. Mistakes do happen, despite it being really unfortunate. The worst part of the whole thing is the fact that even if we took them as hard ticket sales, we don't owe the NCAA the money until January. But alas, enough of this. I'm weary of the whole topic. Would really like it if the administration came out and appologized. I do understand the circumstances and I understand how the mistake happened. To me an apology and a promise to do better (and actually delivering on said promise in the future) and we can all move on.
Good post Yo. Hopefully you get that time off and we can have a cold one together
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This thread is beyond pointless now. YSU dropped the ball on the tickets. I am seriously thinking of dropping my membership and other monies I give. I guess 2500 to 3k means nothing to them. Their main selling point it would give me a crack at all playoff tix. Well that was not true. I am going to Frisco because I have attended all the championship games. Strollo basically ignored the backbone of the PenguinClub and the diehards for the people in the loges. You will reap what you sew.
This is where YSU gets hurt. It would be one thing if the only people affected were the ones who never show up, whine, complain, then want to be frontrunners. But this miscue affected most of the loyal fans who actually do what they're supposed to do. If this turns off both the diehards and lukewarm fans, expect even more fans to just sit at home and watch the games live on ESPN3. All it takes is a chromecast. Go Guins and let's not have this happen in future championship seasons.
How do you get hurt? There are still tickets available. Sounds like all you want to do is b****, how about you all reach into your wallets and show up
It's about loyalty.
Exactly so open your wallet up and be loyal to the players who busted there a$$ all year to get to the National Championship.
Instead most of the people on this thread have and had no intentions of going to the game but they they see a way to jump on the YSU people who screwed up. Yes they did screw up but who cares. It's about the players and they did nothing but win.
Right on. The issue is over. It was a blunder. They need to kiss the season ticket holders and Penguin club members assn via private event with an apology. Then move on with new measures to prevent this in the future.
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Ice, I would definitely have a cold one with you if I get the time off.
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Great post!! Unfortunately we have people like penguin nation and 1AA fan that have no clue about Football ,, BUTT, message boards let people like them have there say.. Carry On!!
Thanks! You guys are cool. It just seems ridiculous to be doing the negative personal attacks at a time like this.... against people on your own side!
It is going to be a great game. Merry Christmas to all the Penguins. See you in Frisco!
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This whole topic exists because of the usual two Negative Nilly's. Then when you try to put one in their place you get lumped in with them. They such trolls that they log in as different people, not realizing that their IP address is on every post they make. They say that they are fans from other schools yet they only post when it is negative? Where were they the week we played their team?
The reason that I let this topic go now is because it will be gone in a few days and people will get back to supporting their team; besides their could have been more to this than the school underestimating interest. Well turns out there is nothing more to it.
Now you can carry on Pfoottball.
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This whole topic exists because of the usual two Negative Nilly's. Then when you try to put one in their place you get lumped in with them. They such trolls that they log in as different people, not realizing that their IP address is on every post they make. They say that they are fans from other schools yet they only post when it is negative? Where were they the week we played their team?
The reason that I let this topic go now is because it will be gone in a few days and people will get back to supporting their team; besides their could have been more to this than the school underestimating interest. Well turns out there is nothing more to it.
Now you can carry on Pfoottball.
If you are saying I have two accounts here you (like the Athletic Department) are spreading misinformation.
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So what Redbird ...just go away. You are obviously a fraud troll. Another one of Nations alter egos. If you want to wish us luck then do so in another thread, we could care less about your opinions. I do not go to your boards and discuss your administration.
I have been posting on Redbirds forum since 2010 under "fourthandshort" --- about 4500 posts in 7 years. I chose user name Redbird Fourthandshort on your fan forum so as to be fully transparent.
Didn't come here looking for a fight. My first post on other thread congratulated YSU on their success and wished them well. It was also to empathize and inform your fans of our somewhat similar experience.
I would assume most fans would appreciate knowing our experience and that reservation systems are a common solution for this very situation. And fact remains, as many others have pointed out, electronic tickets could be purchased risk free. There was no need to be concerned with over-commitment costing money. ISU Admin recovered very quickly from their initial mistake once our forum went ballistic ... these forums serve many purposes .. this should be one such purpose .. for fans to be heard. Our Admin and Coaches monitor our board for feedback ... even the complainers .. its a good thing for program for fans to speak their mind.
Truth be told, our Sports Admin tried to put a spin on their oversight and act like it was all good from beginning. But regardless of their spin, bottom line, they responded by fixing the problem because our fan board went nuts ... a good thing in my mind.
Regardless of the ticket buying fiasco for YSU, but now even moreso because of it, all of Redbird Nation is rooting for YSU. And I hope you get a lot fans there to support the team.
Someone should set up threads and report back to let people know activity levels on the main secondary market websites: NCAA, Stubhub, Ebay, etc ... Keep track of ticket counts and average ticket prices. Think of it like the stock market and your looking to buy low .. but don't wait too long. Good news is that Bison is/will dump theirs. Bad news is the end zones are under construction, so there are less tickets this year and JMU already scooped up 7k of the 8k allotment .. so they will buying more no doubt. I have no idea what capacity is with end zones under constructions .. maybe 15-16k ??
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You guys argue about stupid sh!t. You are in the National Championship game. Wouldn't discussing your game plan, your opponent, etc. be more relevant than discussing which one of you is the bigger a$$hole?
Just sayin'. It looks weird to an outsider. See you in Frisco!
Sorry you lost the over/under on 8 hours. You have avenged that loss, however, by being the biggest a-hole. Go back to your board and contInue discussing with your board-mates about how you will roll us...but only if schor plays well, and the turf is in good shape, and of course as long as there are no BIG scoring plays. Um...what???
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This whole topic exists because of the usual two Negative Nilly's. Then when you try to put one in their place you get lumped in with them. They such trolls that they log in as different people, not realizing that their IP address is on every post they make. They say that they are fans from other schools yet they only post when it is negative? Where were they the week we played their team?
The reason that I let this topic go now is because it will be gone in a few days and people will get back to supporting their team; besides their could have been more to this than the school underestimating interest. Well turns out there is nothing more to it.
Now you can carry on Pfoottball.
If you are saying I have two accounts here you (like the Athletic Department) are spreading misinformation.
True. My fault their & I apologize. I was not talking about Nation.
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Just so everyone knows now, this particular thread is getting locked after Christmas. It is taking up far to much time and is cared about by too few people.
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I myself have been moving mountains trying to get off work for the game. If my time off request gets approved I'm going. Im going as a fan, to support my team.
It is rather unfortunate that this whole mess happened and I do think someone should be responsible in the athletic Dept. Ice it does matter to the extent that it should be rectified and not happen again. I do think the team still deserves the support and no one should refuse to go due to these circumstances. Mistakes do happen, despite it being really unfortunate. The worst part of the whole thing is the fact that even if we took them as hard ticket sales, we don't owe the NCAA the money until January. But alas, enough of this. I'm weary of the whole topic. Would really like it if the administration came out and appologized. I do understand the circumstances and I understand how the mistake happened. To me an apology and a promise to do better (and actually delivering on said promise in the future) and we can all move on.
Well said!!
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You guys argue about stupid sh!t. You are in the National Championship game. Wouldn't discussing your game plan, your opponent, etc. be more relevant than discussing which one of you is the bigger a$$hole?
Just sayin'. It looks weird to an outsider. See you in Frisco!
Sorry you lost the over/under on 8 hours. You have avenged that loss, however, by being the biggest a-hole. Go back to your board and contInue discussing with your board-mates about how you will roll us...but only if schor plays well, and the turf is in good shape, and of course as long as there are no BIG scoring plays. Um...what???
Alright! Now there is the Penguin standard we Dukes have come to know and love.
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Just so everyone knows now, this particular thread is getting locked after Christmas. It is taking up far to much time and is cared about by too few people.
I'm a bison fan. You can check my IP address it's from Moorhead, MN. I use the same username on AGS, Bisonville, and I even have a little history with the Redbird fan on here on the ISU forum when I felt him and a few others were overly critical of their Department on other ticket stuff a couple years ago.
You and some others don't see anything wrong with how YSU handled this. However, you're doing your fanbase a disservice by deleting and locking threads on this issue. Myself (completely unbiased) and a few other YSU fans don't agree. I couldn't care less if you delete this or ban me or whatever, but let the conversation be had. Other Penguin fans can read and/or post and come to their own conclusion how they feel about how YSU handled this.
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Sorry Tru. but we have more important things going on.
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Just so everyone knows now, this particular thread is getting locked after Christmas. It is taking up far to much time and is cared about by too few people.
I'm a bison fan. You can check my IP address it's from Moorhead, MN. I use the same username on AGS, Bisonville, and I even have a little history with the Redbird fan on here on the ISU forum when I felt him and a few others were overly critical of their Department on other ticket stuff a couple years ago.
You and some others don't see anything wrong with how YSU handled this. However, you're doing your fanbase a disservice by deleting and locking threads on this issue. Myself (completely unbiased) and a few other YSU fans don't agree. I couldn't care less if you delete this or ban me or whatever, but let the conversation be had. Other Penguin fans can read and/or post and come to their own conclusion how they feel about how YSU handled this.
Yes I agree. The true disservice occurred at the season ticket holder and booster levels. They took care of the corporate sponsors and forgot about these people, which is most of the people on this board. Then they made up a BS excuse to cover up the blunder. At the end of the day they owe an apology at the least. They should admit they were wrong. Otherwise, this topic is getting old as most of the people traveling to the game have tickets and flights arranged.
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Just so everyone knows now, this particular thread is getting locked after Christmas. It is taking up far to much time and is cared about by too few people.
I'm a bison fan. You can check my IP address it's from Moorhead, MN. I use the same username on AGS, Bisonville, and I even have a little history with the Redbird fan on here on the ISU forum when I felt him and a few others were overly critical of their Department on other ticket stuff a couple years ago.
You and some others don't see anything wrong with how YSU handled this. However, you're doing your fanbase a disservice by deleting and locking threads on this issue. Myself (completely unbiased) and a few other YSU fans don't agree. I couldn't care less if you delete this or ban me or whatever, but let the conversation be had. Other Penguin fans can read and/or post and come to their own conclusion how they feel about how YSU handled this.
agreed as another outside objective poster. ISU 2014 made different mistakes with Frisco ticket buying, but responded immediately and made it right .. they put a positive spin on who incident, and no one cared, because they corrected their initial mistake. If Bison had won their semi, YSU fans would have deservedly been infinitely more outraged .. Bison would not be dumping all their tickets.
YSU Sports Admin needs to acknowledge mistakes were made .. and send JMU a big thank you for beating Bison .. or there would have been zero tickets available beyond the 1,000 they bought for all their high rollers.
Censorship is not the answer .. trust and confidence has been lost .. only answer is to own up to issue and learn from mistakes.
Regardless .. good luck to YSU .. ironically, this may be the intangible that Pellini uses to give his team the mental edge. Way to rep the Valley !!!
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I suspect everyone here knew there'd be no accountability...which is how this happened in the first place. Yes, everyone makes mistakes. Some, however, make more than others, and some make bigger ones than others. This one was such a whopper that systematic processes at most organizations would've prevented it. The Athletic Department needs an overhaul top-down. The overhaul needs to include new leadership, a staffing and budget review, and a review of decision making processes. The Athletic Department had a >$14.5M budget in 2016....and this is what we get? Ticketgate could flip from another Athletic Department scandal, and instead become an opportunity for improvement.
Look at our AD's record. Look at FB since he took over. We've given up on MBB because we are a "FB school"...even though we know this is the only the second playoff appearance in 17 years for the "Team of the 90s." Renewing Heacock's contract, Hill, Martin, Slocum, FB attendance...missteps which all deplete revenue generation and create a vicious cycle.
YSU FB's appearance in a National Championship game could be parlayed into something bigger but only if the right ppl are involved.
Before any apoplectic responses are posted...a reminder that we, as an alleged advanced species. can cheer as well as question.
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I will ask you again Nation, since you ignored me last time are you going to the game
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I will ask you again Nation, since you ignored me last time are you going to the game
Ice...why does it matter. Im seriously not trying to get into an argument. I myself am just about over complaining about this. But, i suspect a heck of a lot of people are pissed...and equally as much as nation. And i think we have every right to be. Our "7" are still going to the game but will sit in 4 separate areas. And its just flipping crap. And its crap that there is NO accountability. I also suspect that if someone from YSU would just say they screwed up on purpose or on accident that most if not all us would say...ok...thank you for the apology. What is wrong with simply admitting a mistake? I think that is what most of us are saying. And i think we have every right to an apology as well.
Anyway...go guins...see ya in Frisco
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I will ask you again Nation, since you ignored me last time are you going to the game
Ice...why does it matter. Im seriously not trying to get into an argument. I myself am just about over complaining about this. But, i suspect a heck of a lot of people are pissed...and equally as much as nation. And i think we have every right to be. Our "7" are still going to the game but will sit in 4 separate areas. And its just flipping crap. And its crap that there is NO accountability. I also suspect that if someone from YSU would just say they screwed up on purpose or on accident that most if not all us would say...ok...thank you for the apology. What is wrong with simply admitting a mistake? I think that is what most of us are saying. And i think we have every right to an apology as well.
Anyway...go guins...see ya in Frisco
I hear what your saying. I think at some point, someone needs to explain what happened. You also have to remember that these people have been off of work since they won in Eastern Washington. No that's not a excuse but could be a reason why no one has come out and said what happened. Hopefully they do soon.
As for Nation going or not going. My point is why would you let the screw up keep you from going, there still are tickets available and some people are just using it as a excuse.
I'm glad you will be there to support the kids and honestly that's all that really matters. It wasn't there fault someone screwed up
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Well I think this topic has run it's course. At the end of the day, we simply have nothing more than wishes. Yes, many did not get the tickets as easily as they had hoped, but they were not denied. Also, I think that number is much less than many others think. I tell you another number that is much less than people think. The number of tickets purchased by JMU.
YSU wishes they had the resources to purchase all of the tickets and distribute them, but we do not. One thing is for real ...we are in the championship game for the first time since 1999 and these guys deserve our undivided attention and support.
I am leaving it up, because everyone deserves a chance to read about it; but we need to look at more relevant topics, the first being this huge game on January 7. Time for a change of focus. I have locked this thread.
GO GUINS ... MAKE US PROUD!!!