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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: JP21 on December 06, 2013, 11:01:11 AM
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UMKC is awful we should handle them comfortably.
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UMKC is 1-6 this season. Their lone win was 79-67 at Tennessee Martin. Road losses have been Creighton (96-71), Nebraska-Omaha (101-71), Iowa State (110-51) and Louisville (90-62). Home loss have been to Milwaukee (84-79) and Division II Emporia State 81-76.
Pomeroy gives YSU a 67% chance of winning and projects a 79-75 win.
Massey gives YSU a 71% chance of winning with a 80-74 projection.
Sagarin ratings make YSU a 7 point favorite.
UMKC is a bottom 50 team. This is a game YSU must win. UNKC is among the worst three point shooting and offensive rebounding teams in the NCAA and has issues turning the ball over as well.
If YSU takes care of the ball as well as they did against Robert Morris, shares the ball and holds their own on the boards, they should emerge victorious.
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CANNOT lose this one. Take care of the ball and come away with a W!
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Big Game for coach Slocum.he looking for his 100th win as a Waddling Bird!! Go get'em guys!
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Typical Slocum game... Getting pounded by a 1 win team at half.... Disgrace.
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JP21, not so fast my friend. You forgot one thing-ysu stinks too.
Question for everyone: what' worse ysu football's defense or ysu basketball' defense?
Anyone still think coach slocum is a good coach?
If ysu had the money i dont think wolford or slocum would be coaching here. Both of them need bought out.
Goooo guins
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yes total embarrassment here today.
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Why is anybody surprised by this? Can you really have a good basketball team when you cannot defend the paint? We know that Hain is not quick enough to play interior defense unless he fouls. We know that his replacements are not DI caliber players. What is transpiring was entirely predictable.
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Someone please explain to me How in the hell we lose to this team! The Horizon league is going to take us apart! Inexcusable to lose to teams like this!
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there is a bright side to all of this. Coach Slocum got an extension.
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What a joke.... And you guys wanna keep Slocum???? This team plays no defense whatsoever!
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Seems like coach wolford and coach slocum are rubbing off on each other. They both beleive in not playing defense.
How long before ysu fans start wearing paper bags over their heads???
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Where's IP? Slocum is his boy....
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He' out looking for defense
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Losing to this team is bad, no question about it.
Why is that when YSU wins, we never hear a word about Slocum being the reason? When YSU loses, it is always Slocum's fault - never the players - except when KP scores 32 and its his fault according to one of our resident experts.
You might get someone better if you get rid of him. Then again, for what YSU pays you may not.
Based on numbers from a few years ago, Slocum's salary is around $140k. Oakland, having just moved from the lower rated Summit, is paying Kampe $226k - he got a $50k raise when they joined the Horizon as a market adjustment. Think about that - he was making 25% more than Slocum and needed a 30% raise to get him in line with his new conference.
Cleveland State pays Waters $340k. Dambrot makes $400k at Akron, Duquesne offered Dambrot $700k. The average men's basketball coaching salary in the MAC is $264k.
YSU pays for hamburger helper, yet some of you expect Filet Mignon.
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Can I start a Fire Slocum thread yet??? ;D
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we are the hamburger helper of the college basketball world. does it get any worse than that? next time I go to a game I am going to take some hamburger helper with me and pass it out to everyone.
maybe ysu should contact hamburger helper and see if they want to be a sposor
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Where's IP? Slocum is his boy....
I'm right here slimeball. Getting ready to pull my car into McDonald's so you and Wolford can wait on me.
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Where's IP? Slocum is his boy....
I'm right here slimeball. Getting ready to pull my car into McDonald's so you and Wolford can wait on me.
Lol Slocum will be there soon enough. Go ahead and try and explain this loss. Please
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This loss is compliments of AD Ron (" We don't try to win championships at YSU" ) Strollo.
More of the same.
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Yes it is a bad loss. No question. But like Indy says, every time YSU wins--KP is great, DJ Cole played great, we play great offense, we are exciting to watch, etc., etc. And as soon as we lose, Slocum needs fired. You can't have it both ways just because you don't like the man. Is Slocum the second coming of John Wooden--no. But there are assistants in the Horizon League who make more money. You want a high priced coach--pony up some money. Paladin, instead of walking around the tailgate lot looking for free food--join the Penguin Club and put you money where your mouth is. Then you can tell Strollo to his face what you think of him.
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paladin, I agree with you about Ron Strollo, but the board of trustees and the president(s) are as much to blame if not more so. YSU athletics are bad for two reasons. One, there is no money. Two, there is incompetence throughout the administration.
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Money is tight, no doubt about that. But our main problem is DISTRIBUTION of the available money. I know you are sick of hearing this, and I am sick of saying it. But we maintain a large stable of athletic administrators (some of whom are incompetent) and we pay bargain basement salaries to coaches. It is insane and horribly counterproductive. Eliminate half the dead wood in the administrative offices and we would easily be able to pay the MAC average to a basketball coach.
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For the Umpteenth time, IP, I AM in the Penguin Club. Tickets are bought under one guys name ( not mine and he lives in Cleveland) and myself and another former coach pay the money thru him. Been doing this for over 20 years. The Red seats are very bad now, worse than before. And I'm not looking for food as I have to watch what I eat ( cut down on salt foods). Just there if I come to see who might be there and whats happening. I rarely stay long anymore and head to the seats to meet the guys, all coming from different directions.
I'm not sure how much longer we are coming. Athletics suck, prices keep going up and nothing changes.
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We lost to austin peay and umkc who both suck. Same old sh** different season. Has anyone noticed we are avg. Just 1,000 fans a game in basketball this year. Everyone in the administration needs fired. Mr. Dunn needs to take action before we have force him too. Finally, it is nice to see wisconsin-green bay play two major teams at home this year while we watch us play theil. Nice job strollo.
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Been saying it for awhile now, will continue to say it. This program will go nowhere until Slocum is gone. How long are we gonna stick with him??? I mean c'mon. If it weren't for KP, this team would be SO much worse. I understand the school,doesn't have the money to pay anyone else.... I would give assistant coach Steve Hall a shot. He's the reason recruiting has picked up, especially in the Detroit area. Was a great high school player in Detroit and had a solid college career at Virginia Tech. Time for retirement Jerry.
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at the end of the day how much money a coach makes shouldn't determine whether or not he is a good coach. you either are a good coach or you are not regardless of salary. coach slocum has proven he can't do it at this level. the stage is a little too big for him.
unfortunately ysu wont fire him because they gave him an extension. we are stuck with this for at least a few more seasons
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I would like to know why slocum got an extension in the first place?? was it because he made the tom, dick and harry tournament last year?
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If Slocum is fired, than he will be replaced with a Hill-Martin-Heacock clone. Guaranteed. The YSU Athletic Department needs an overhaul. It needs accountability. If the purpose of the Athletic Department is simply to provide an athletic component to the collegiate experience of a select few students, than that should be made clear. Keeping the same people in charge will continue to provide the same results. If the goal is to win championships, than indeed an overhaul is necessary. If there truly is gross overstaffing of the Athletic Department, and that overstaffing is diverting resources from coaches salaries and recruiting, than that is scandalous. If President Dunn does not address this gross misuse of public and University resources, than he is as culpable as Strollo himself.
So DJ Cole was injured for Austin Peay, and otherwise they would've won, or so I'm told. What was the excuse for the UMKC loss?
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Isn't throwing more money at the problem what was done with the football team?? that worked out ??? There is but one choice when hiring coaches at the low-mid-major level, young coaches with a chip on their shoulder. those are the coaches willing to be paid minimally for the chance to prove themselves a greater commodity. That takes talent identification. That is a skill that is not very common.
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The cowards won't fire Slocum though, because he led the team to a tournament nobody cared about last year....
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that would be the tom, dick and harry tournament. to them it's a sign of success.
when hiring young coaches not only do you need to be able to identify talent you also need some luck
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Isn't throwing more money at the problem what was done with the football team?? that worked out ??? There is but one choice when hiring coaches at the low-mid-major level, young coaches with a chip on their shoulder. those are the coaches willing to be paid minimally for the chance to prove themselves a greater commodity. That takes talent identification. That is a skill that is not very common.
Great point. We emptied the till for the new football coach and have gotten four years of empty promises and late-season collapses. But that's ok for some--we are "headed" in the right direction. Laughable.
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I actually spoke to Ron Strollo about Slocum 2 years ago. Ron's thinking on the issue of keeping Slocum was very sound, in my opinion. Ron was not going to get rid of Slocum just to get rid of him. Slocum has done a very good job rebuilding the program. His program is in compliance with NCAA rules. He likes it at YSU. Yes, there are likely some coach's who could do better at YSU than Slocum, but not likely any of them would come to YSU for what Slocum is paid and has to deal with. And, based on the money YSU pays the HC and the money available for assistants, recruiting, travel...etc, people are not exactly beating down the door to coach basketball at YSU. Especially with the school's reputation as a football school, where basketball is a distant second.
Ron also said, that as far as the school administration was concerned, there was no reason to change anything with basketball. Dr. Anderson did not attend many games. Members of the Board and Dr. Anderson were not getting complaints about Slocum from fans and donors, so as far as they were concerned, things were fine and dandy with mens basketball.
Believe what you want, but Ron Strollo wants to have a quality basketball program. However, he does not control the purse strings. Or, more accurately, he does not control how much money goes into the purse. And, the basketball program does not really have much as far as "sugar daddie's/sugar momma's" (My words). Personally, I do not think the issue for Slocum is how much he get's paid. The 2 main problems I see are with the lack of $$$$ for recruiting, and scheduling quality OOC home games. This money is needed to recruit more quality players. The problem for YSU is lack of depth. That has been the case for many years. And, yes, more money for recruiting would help Slocum have a team that can go 7-8 deep, rather than a solid starting 5, and then a steep drop off down the rest of the roster.
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Re: lack of depth. Specifically, lack of depth in the post. The guards are actually quite good. I'm not sure, though, the one can separate recruiting from coaching since the coach is in charge of recruiting. Makes me wonder if YSU shouldn't just do the run-and-shot, wear down its opponents, and ignore the inside game altogether.
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So from what I gather, everyone agrees YSU needs to make further financial investments in the basketball program.
YSU made a financial investment, above and beyond what the budget calls for last year getting into a post season tournament. Keep in mind YSU has NEVER made a men's post season tournament in Division I history. You Yahoos, the same ones demanding we make a larger investment into our basketball program, degrade the tournament and call it meaningless. This just proved my point further, that you all will scream and yell no matter what. It's the Youngstown mentality to complain, complain, complain. Meanwhile, you all offer no educated opinions to improve the tournament.
BTW here's a list of participants in the "Tom Dick and Harry Tournament"
Drake, Kent State, Belmont, Mt. St. Mary's, Missouri State, Creighton, Southern Miss, George Mason, SMU, Northern Iowa, Valpo, Ohio, Indiana State.
Those are some pretty awful basketball schools that we made a financial investment to get onto the same level as...