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Any rumors as to where he'll end up?
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Any rumors as to where he'll end up?
Kentucky and South Carolina were two places I heard late last week.
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Yes I heard kentucky was a possibility.
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Any idea in what capacity he'd be coaching?
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Any idea in what capacity he'd be coaching?
Assistant water boy coach??
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He would be further ahead taking a slightly lower FCS program ...depending on the situation with his staff here at YSU. If we keep Montgomery ...he may have too difficult of a time
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He would be further ahead taking a slightly lower FCS program ...depending on the situation with his staff here at YSU. If we keep Montgomery ...he may have too difficult of a time
::) I'm thinking "IF" he didn't have Monty he might be the coach still :o
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Most likely Eric really wanted to stay in this
area. Maybe, YSU can offer another job to
him. It is not fun for a family to have to move
and leave an area where they wanted to
stay.
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GOPENNY, you turned into a bear.... OH MY!!! Did a witch put a spell on you? Did you drink something you were not supposed to drink?
Wait, I bet it was jjysuwin, barstoolcleveland, 1a4YSU, that turned you into a bear named Zekeeeb.... They are all so mean. Mean I tell you... Mean, mean, mean ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Wolf is possibly interviewing for the O-Line job at Pitt..... Interesting.
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Wolf is possibly interviewing for the O-Line job at Pitt..... Interesting.
Not surprised if this ends up being true. I had a strong feeling this past week Montgomery could be interviewing there for the offensive coordinator position as well. Wouldn't that be interesting week one?
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I wish him the best.
His team this year played two of FCS finalists, two other playoff teams, and a BIG team. The worst conference team beat NAU (who themselves beat EKU).
He has much to be proud of and his next employer will be fortunate to have him.
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Wolf is possibly interviewing for the O-Line job at Pitt..... Interesting.
Not surprised if this ends up being true. I had a strong feeling this past week Montgomery could be interviewing there for the offensive coordinator position as well. Wouldn't that be interesting week one?
Yes, when they put up 35+ points on us. If we let a coach move up without a counter-offer, then I have no hope for our team. That is unless Strollo already has another ace up his sleeve. As there is no better OC at our level. Certainly none available.
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1AA FAN I couldn't agree more with you. Montgomery will be able to go just about anywhere he so desires -the balls in his court and he knows it. I personally think it's vital we do everything in our power to keep him. As for coach Wolford possibly ending up at Pitt..That's a great recruiter just a LITTLE TO CLOSE TO HOME!!
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I cannot help but think that coach M likes it here in Youngstown and it would not take much (financially) to keep him However, we do not know his opinion of Coach P and vice-versa.
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Wolf is possibly interviewing for the O-Line job at Pitt..... Interesting.
I'd be surprised if he gets it. They may each be Ursuline grads, but the comparisons end there.
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Wolf is possibly interviewing for the O-Line job at Pitt..... Interesting.
I'd be surprised if he gets it. They may each be Ursuline grads, but the comparisons end there.
If he wants to keep his family in Ytown I hope he gets it.
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Rumor has it Coach Wolf to Kansas St.
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Wolf has accepted the O-Line position at Oklahoma State. Best of luck coach!
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I wish him well.
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I wish Eric Wolford the best. He is still young. He will likely have other opportunities to be a HC at the FCS or FBS level in the future, if that is something he wishes to pursue. He was far from awful as HC at YSU, just was not able to meet the expectations. And, expectations for YSU football are among the highest in FCS. Had he been at Indy State, MSU, South Dakota, SIU or even ISU, he'd likely still be HC with the same records his teams had at YSU.
Best of success Eric!!!!!!!!!
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He should do well at Okie St. Based on continued improvement each year here, he'll have a resume' that will lead to another head job, easily at a better school than YSU. YSU pulled the plug too quick on him. Okie St. should win and maybe big. Just a guess, but given the connections and his background , HC at Kansas St. isn't out of the question. Will be hearing more about the Wolf in the future. Good luck, coach.
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Would agree with you, but he should have held out out for a I-AA/FCS job in the south at a lesser program. Without his staff he would not make it anyway. His success here was all coach M & his downfall was the inability to develop an aggressive defense with coach M'f finesse offense. Pelini will have the same issue. Wolf is in an assistant position coach ...had they hired him at OC, I might be able to see where you are coming from Paladin. I suggest his wife was hired first.
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Eric Wolford left the program better than he found it.
I'll never forget the Pitt game, the win at NDSU, or leading Penn State in his very first game.
Happy Travels.
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Would agree with you, but he should have held out out for a I-AA/FCS job in the south at a lesser program. Without his staff he would not make it anyway. His success here was all coach M & his downfall was the inability to develop an aggressive defense with coach M'f finesse offense. Pelini will have the same issue. Wolf is in an assistant position coach ...had they hired him at OC, I might be able to see where you are coming from Paladin. I suggest his wife was hired first.
Montgomery is not that good. His offenses fail in big games because his play calling becomes too conservative and lacks any creativity. It looks like a video game where the players run the same play over and over. I would also like to point out that under Wolford Defense was not as emphasized and the best players were on offense. Montgomery had the advantage of having the best players. With as many running backs we had on the bench I would have moved somebody to LB. As you know we have struggled at LB since Wolford came here (until last year). Montgomery's offense couldn't move the ball on NDSU again this year and we were embarrassed. We lost to an Indiana State team we should have beaten because his offense couldn't move the ball. Meanwhile the defense which has been a problem for years under Wolford actually kept the scoring down to within reason even after being on the field the entire game. You can't sit there and tell me that he is the best thing since sliced bread. Montgomery has issues and is part of the reason why we don't win against the best teams. How about throwing to the two TE's that were complete studs? He wasted them. Wasted. Pisses me off. How many times has he called a play without an outlet receiver?
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Great memories Nation!
Although I cannot agree he left the program better off than when he found it.
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I agree with Penguinpower, not sure why there seems to be a strong core of Shane Montgomery supporters. Offense clearly backed up this year, and the Indiiana State showing was pathetic. Even the win over lowly South Dakota, for three quarters the offense did nothing.
Also appears he can't get a better job, failed as a head coach at Miami, Oh. I too wish Coach Wolford the best of luck. But it is unrealistic to think Eric Wolford could be the next head coach at Kansas State. going from O line coach to head coach at Kansas State is not gonna happen. Wolford would need to revive his head coaching career at a small FBS before being ever being considered for the head coaching job at a top 25 program.
Wolford may be better suited to be a top notch assistant coach and not a head coach.
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We should probably have an I hate/Love Montgomery thread. Coach M was very successful at Miami. As OC, his offenses were #1 in the MAC and in the top-20 in the nation. Both of his QB's and his top receiver made the NFL. As head coach he was less successful; so had he been hired as our HC, you could have a point.
The truth is, coach M is everything that YSU has been over the past 5-years. Love him or hate him ...it is the truth. Do I prefer our old smash-mouth style of offense under Narduzzi, (some of) Tressel and Heacock? ABSOLUTELY. However, if we can win with this type of offense, than more power to him. Do I think a finesse offense breeds weak finesse defenses (aka: OK State and Oregon)? I have said so 100 times on this board. Again that is the major battle that Pelini will have to face. It is hard to produce a defense that is like the majority of teams in the MVFC, when you offense is not like the majority of those in the MVFC. I also think that Monty's offenses are very complicated and more suited to the NFL and maybe some high-end DI programs. He toned his offense down quite a bit last year ...maybe even too much.
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Wolf's problem here was his D and his personality. If he had hired a competent DC, YSU would have made the playoffs multiple times. As it was , they were one game out many years. The recruiting was awesome. The O was high scoring. Discipline was firm. He was out in the community and with charities. Winning record and it kept improving. YSU screwed up ( again) in pulling the plug. But his personality made it easy for the AD to scapegoat him ( and I suspect the extension negotiations also played a role). That said, He doesn't need to be a OC. He got the HC job here simply being a position coach that was a great recruiter. He has successful HC experience and successful coaching at major winning programs. The clincher is Snyder at KSU is really old and Wolf was a major FAVORITE OF HIS AS A PLAYER. Snyder won't be around coaching much longer and KSU will favor a Snyder protégé as a replacement. Wolf being at Okie St. and probably a major winning program again will make him a strong candidate. With recommendations from Spurrier, Snyder and others, he will be top shelf. And , KSU or not, Wolf will be at the top of a lot of lists for recruitment alone but successful coaching stops ( and as a HC) will seal the deal. He'll be a D-I HC. He just needs to line up some DC friends, lol
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I thought Wolford did a very respectable job in his tenure here. Let's face it our conference is what the S.E.C. has been to college football over the past decade. I have to agree will pally on this one. They pulled the plug to early next year would have been the year. The offensive line he has put in place is hands down the best line in F.C.S. period. They have a chance to be a very special group and several of them will be playing on Sundays. Best of luck coach you will be a great asset to the Oklahoma State football program
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I agree with Mr. Paladin and with Mr. Nation on coach Wolford. Plug pulled early, players playing the game were not at times accomplishing the goals for whatever reason. Coaching staff was excellent. As previously stated half time adjustments are myths. The game plan must be followed and if it is not working then a quick fix or wrinkle will open the game up. Very proud of all our victories especially over Pitt and our good showing and not so good showing on other games.
Coach is a good man. Always made himself available to the community and to organizations such as the Curbstone Coaches. I was impressed with the time and effort he gave to charities and the love he and his family expressed toward Youngstown. I also wish him the best and look forward to watching his career as the coach can coach and recruit.
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I think that the timing was just right, gave him time to show what he could do and several problem areas were not improving. Recruiting was his strong point and thanks to that he left us in good shape, at least on the "O" side.
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I recall everyone saying that Strollo left Heacock in too long (9th-year) and he had better have a much shorter lease on the next coach. Well Wolf (5th-year) had a shorter lease. What more do you want? We can second-guess the move, but he did kept coach Wolford half of the time.
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I was a fan of Wolford and defended him when most of you wanted him gone. It simply came down to making plays down the stretch and we could not do it. The numbers do not lie. I did some calculating of all scores under Wolford in the 1st half vs. the 2nd half and it speaks volumes:
1ST HALF
YSU: 1097 total points
Opponents: 760 total points
Point Differential: YSU +337 points
2ND HALF
YSU: 689 total points
Opponents: 724 total points
Point Differential: YSU -35 points
In conference play, the numbers are even more telling in the 2nd half:
MVFC 1ST HALF
YSU: 663 total points
Opponents: 588 total points
Point Differential: YSU +75 points
MVFC 2ND HALF
YSU: 451 total points
Opponents: 537 total points
Point Differential: YSU -86 points
Wolford's 2nd half performances simply could not get it done.
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Do you know stupid you look ? In 5 years, they were outscored by 35 pts in the second half --- in what,,57 or 58 games. Less than a point a game for 5 years ? Wolf doesn't need a defender, but Strollo sure as he11 does.............. that clown kept a complete disaster in Heacock around for far too long while the program ROTTED to the core, most from bad recruiting but generally from being a poor HC. Record dropped year after year and Strollo gave that worthless piece of crap an extension, giving him 9 years here. Here, YSU has a coach who proves to be a great recruiter and improves the record year after year AND is coaching when the League has become the TOUGHEST FCS league in the nation and after "contensious" negotiations for an extension, pulls the plug after 5 years. Coaches around the country have to be laughing at Strollo on that. An extension uncalled for on Heacock, but a quick buyout on Wolf's extension ? LOL ! Moreover, it become a pity party when you stretch the limits to produce a worthless stat like that. I'll say it -- while Strollo kissed Heacock's azz and allowed him to destroy a Cadillac program, he threw out as quick as he could a coach who rebuilt a program in shambles and improved it year after year record wise. Strollo didn't like Wolf, period. Enter Pelini. Its going to be my pleasure to point out over the upcoming years just how incompetent of a buffoon Strollo really is. Yet, here is a feeble attempt to justify Strollo's actions. Laughable !
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What's done is done. I liked Wolford a lot he was recruiting guys and we actually tried to beat whoever our money game was. Wolford couldn't win that extra game a year and crapped a game away every year and we couldn't win in November even though I always thought we got screwed playing all the tough schools at the end of the schedule. If you saw today's Vindy it stated he always recruited the athlete and that hurt him because the coaches and him couldn't coach them up. I wish him luck and I am all in with Pelini.
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What's done is done. I liked Wolford a lot he was recruiting guys and we actually tried to beat whoever our money game was. Wolford couldn't win that extra game a year and crapped a game away every year and we couldn't win in November even though I always thought we got screwed playing all the tough schools at the end of the schedule. If you saw today's Vindy it stated he always recruited the athlete and that hurt him because the coaches and him couldn't coach them up. I wish him luck and I am all in with Pelini.
Pretty much right on, the league schedule was not kind to us the last 3 years.
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Nice analysis by Valley Talk.
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Do you know stupid you look ?
No, I really don't see how I look so stupid. Wolford lost a total of 10 games in his 5 years in which YSU was leading at the half; of which 7 occurred in his final 4 seasons at YSU. Had he won just 1 of those 7 games, we certainly would not be having this discussion right now and Wolford would most certainly be our head coach. Why is that, because he needed just 1 more win over the final four seasons to get that coveted at-large into the FCS playoffs.
Furthermore, in November, Wolford was a combined 6-10 over 5 years. In August thru October, Wolford was a combined 25-15. You aren't going to have much success with that sort of record down the stretch.
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Valley Talk with a nice demonstration of how half time and late game adjustments were the flaw of the Wolf in MVFC games. In OOC games, the foot was pulled off the gas when playing feeble and hapless foes that Strollo schedules.
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The article that YSUGO is referring to is another of Scalzo's excellent pieces in today's Vindicator. He interviewed Mark Porter who runs that scouting service and knows Wolford and Pelini well. Read it if you can. For those without access, here are a few telling excerpts.
Porter: "I know with Wolf, the FBS measurables had to be there. Once you put yourself at that rung, it's really tough to find guys. A lot of times you're getting a track guy who can't play football."
Scalzo: on Wolford gambling that athletes with measurables could develop into football players:
"....it often left the Penguins with a glut of players who looked great in shorts and terrible in games."
Porter also suggested that Pelini would go after good football players even if they fell a little short on statistics. Thank goodness for that.
Valley, great job in quantifying what so many of us instinctively knew.
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Great job Valley. Goes to show how this coaching staff (Montgomery), couldn't make the right adjustments in the 2nd half to win games... But somehow, Montgomery is gonna keep his job. Laughable!
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An extension uncalled for on Heacock, but a quick buyout on Wolf's extension ?
They didn't want to make the same mistake twice.
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An extension uncalled for on Heacock, but a quick buyout on Wolf's extension ?
They didn't want to make the same mistake twice.
Apples and oranges.
For starters....I like the Wolf but agree with both his firing as well as the timing of his firing.
When Heacock's contract was extended, the w/L record was declining each year. The AD should have been fired for this debacle of a decision. Significant revenue was lost due to this single action of the AD.
When the Wolf's was extended, it was improving each year. 2014 is the ONLY year it did not improve, therefore his firing is justified after the 2014 season.
Significant revenue was also lost by renewing Slocum's contract...which makes Strollo's continued presence as AD even more of an absurdity.
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An extension uncalled for on Heacock, but a quick buyout on Wolf's extension ?
They didn't want to make the same mistake twice.
Apples and oranges.
For starters....I like the Wolf but agree with both his firing as well as the timing of his firing.
When Heacock's contract was extended, the w/L record was declining each year. The AD should have been fired for this debacle of a decision. Significant revenue was lost due to this single action of the AD.
When the Wolf's was extended, it was improving each year. 2014 is the ONLY year it did not improve, therefore his firing is justified after the 2014 season.
Significant revenue was also lost by renewing Slocum's contract...which makes Strollo's continued presence as AD even more of an absurdity.
Agreed. Very good points made!
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Paladin
I read what you post. I try to absorb what you decipher athletic difficulties at YSU. Now here's my difficulty with your summations of people you label "stupid", "clowns", pieces of crap"; 1. Are you truly educated? 2 Would you say to these individuals these things if they stood before you? I happen to respect the people you have quite rudely labelled. I'd truly like to know and I'd try to understand what you could possibly benefit from your cruel labels. You struck a nerve, name calling to me shows lack of intelligence, what say you???
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FWIW, Pita. Trying to pass yourself off as "understanding" is laughable. You aren't a neutral, you are a cheerleader. A decade of poor minor sports was acceptable to you while Strollo was the AD. A decade of poor Men's BB was acceptable to you . Heacock was acceptable to you as HC despite being a terrible coach.
We all know me. Undergrad degree from Morehead St. Grad degree from Xavier U. in Cincy. Former teacher/ coach yet left to go to business world where I held progressively challenging jobs paying 6 figures a year. High IQ verified by the tests. Yeah, I would say I'm educated. smart and capable of rationale thought that includes being critical of poor ability.
YSU is a hotbed of political hires and good old boy politics which allows incompetent people to hold on to jobs where they would be fired elsewhere . Cheerleaders doom poor athletics here as change does not occur when it should and competency is not allowed to be hired because "you aren't from the Valley".
But you already know that. You cheer it on.
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narcissistic personality disorder anyone?
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We all know me. Undergrad degree from Morehead St. Grad degree from Xavier U. in Cincy. Former teacher/ coach yet left to go to business world where I held progressively challenging jobs paying 6 figures a year. High IQ verified by the tests. Yeah, I would say I'm educated. smart and capable of rationale thought that includes being critical of poor ability.
We're really not going to play the school snob game, are we?
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Hard to play the school snob game when you list Morehead St. and Xavier as your universities!
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We all know me. Undergrad degree from Morehead St. Grad degree from Xavier U. in Cincy. Former teacher/ coach yet left to go to business world where I held progressively challenging jobs paying 6 figures a year. High IQ verified by the tests. Yeah, I would say I'm educated. smart and capable of rationale thought that includes being critical of poor ability.
Sounds like a great AD hire for YSU. Please send your resume to the BOT.
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Pita,
Do not let this man bother you. As 8797 indicated, he is a narcissist who thinks that the entire world revolves around him. He actually believes that he knows more than Tressel, Pelini, and anybody else. It is not an act. It is pointless to argue with a man like this. Just ignore him.
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Pita,
Do not let this man bother you. As 8797 indicated, he is a narcissist who thinks that the entire world revolves around him. He actually believes that he knows more than Tressel, Pelini, and anybody else. It is not an act. It is pointless to argue with a man like this. Just ignore him.
Agree. He tried to gain attention by getting everyone all fired up. I just ignore him and I will not respond to his comments any longer. My resume is a lot better than his.
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I thought this was about Coach Wolford not petty personal attacks.