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Marcus Keene transfers to CMU.
"Central Michigan is discovering that as the Chippewas landed Youngstown State guard Marcus Keene, the Penguins' leading scorer at 15.6 points per game, he told the Free Press today.
"I decided to leave Youngstown because I didn't feel it was the right fit here," he said. "The atmosphere. I liked the coaching staff and the players but I wanted to go to a different spot, a winning organization."
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2015/04/19/central-michigan-basketball-marcus-keene/26034019/
In other news, YSU PD have placed Bobby Hain under house arrest.
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A winning organization?!?! Wow, who woulda thought?
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Shut down MBB and put the money into the only sport that matters......Football. Looks like we got rid of some prima donnas in MBB.
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Winning? What is this "winning" concept that you speak of...?
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What about being a leader instead of a quitter. That's all that kid did. To blame Slocum on this?
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The talent pool in MBB over the entire country is drying up. Watching the NCAA Tournament this year was like watching top-tier high school ball. With the exception of Kentucky and Duke, two schools who will continue to suck up the "talent" from high school because that is a kids best chance at a 1 and done and get to show themselves in the tournament to make millions.
True basketball is a team game but 5 guys that "work hard" will lose to 5 guys who could play in the pros. Everytime. In other words you cant teach talent. And now to expect ANY coach to go to YSU and convince kids to move all the way across the country to live in Youngstown for 4 years for a "chance" to make a tournament is crazy talk. I highly doubt Slocum likes to lose but he cant win. It is not in the cards. And the new ruling about extra money has now just created a bidding war for the power 5 scraps. So the question that is left is how to recruit basketball players away from the Power 5 conferences without a massive ignorance of the NCAA rulebook, to place with the highest rate of citizen flight?
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The talent pool in MBB over the entire country is drying up. Watching the NCAA Tournament this year was like watching top-tier high school ball. With the exception of Kentucky and Duke, two schools who will continue to suck up the "talent" from high school because that is a kids best chance at a 1 and done and get to show themselves in the tournament to make millions.
True basketball is a team game but 5 guys that "work hard" will lose to 5 guys who could play in the pros. Everytime. In other words you cant teach talent. And now to expect ANY coach to go to YSU and convince kids to move all the way across the country to live in Youngstown for 4 years for a "chance" to make a tournament is crazy talk. I highly doubt Slocum likes to lose but he cant win. It is not in the cards. And the new ruling about extra money has now just created a bidding war for the power 5 scraps. So the question that is left is how to recruit basketball players away from the Power 5 conferences without a massive ignorance of the NCAA rulebook, to place with the highest rate of citizen flight?
How does that explain the success of the YSU WBB program? YSU WBB has recruited players from PA, MI, and IN. There are not routine defections of players.
Is there a larger pool of talent of WBB collegiate athletes?
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If my child decided to run away from home......I could explain it away by saying it is the "age" we live in. I could make excuses to justify in my mind...why it wasn't something I could have changed. Or I could look at the problem my "family" fostered and attempt to change it.
That's the problem. Change is feared....for so many reasons...but it is truly what is necessary.
We are "losing" the talent on these teams! Because they are quitters? I don't believe that. These kids have a small window to be successful in their collegiate careers...and they see apathy! They see attendance that is negligible, a fan base that lives for football and no hope on the horizon for change. These kids are sold a song and dance on how they can make a difference...be the start....of something great! They are young...and they are not patient....like a lot of you are. I would assume that staying the course is a sign of patience.....and not apathy...or worse yet...stupidity.
I am not blaming the fans. This is entertainment and you pay for what you value....what you enjoy. There hasn't been a lot to enjoy over the years.....therefor a lot have chosen to "change the channel".
I would hope things couldn't get worse....but maintaining the "status quo" is even worse. Something has to change.
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The talent pool in MBB over the entire country is drying up. Watching the NCAA Tournament this year was like watching top-tier high school ball. With the exception of Kentucky and Duke, two schools who will continue to suck up the "talent" from high school because that is a kids best chance at a 1 and done and get to show themselves in the tournament to make millions.
True basketball is a team game but 5 guys that "work hard" will lose to 5 guys who could play in the pros. Everytime. In other words you cant teach talent. And now to expect ANY coach to go to YSU and convince kids to move all the way across the country to live in Youngstown for 4 years for a "chance" to make a tournament is crazy talk. I highly doubt Slocum likes to lose but he cant win. It is not in the cards. And the new ruling about extra money has now just created a bidding war for the power 5 scraps. So the question that is left is how to recruit basketball players away from the Power 5 conferences without a massive ignorance of the NCAA rulebook, to place with the highest rate of citizen flight?
How does that explain the success of the YSU WBB program? YSU WBB has recruited players from PA, MI, and IN. There are not routine defections of players.
Is there a larger pool of talent of WBB collegiate athletes?
Because of title IX there is one thing anyone with a moderately athletic daughter knows...someone, somewhere will have a lot of money with no blue chip to spend it on. There is actually less of an elite talent pool for women in ALL sports. But there is also an embarrassment of riches in the form of opportunities that women have to play, because of the mandate of hosting women's sports. There is a reason why the ACC and Pac-10 have near Olympic caliber soccer teams and the ones at YSU's level resemble high school matches, though the money and opportunities are identical.
In basketball this translates to less opportunities per team, making the great teams harder to make, leaving better talent out on the fringes, with a lot of other schools willing and able to pay, which means more talent slips through the cracks. WAY more than on the men's side. And until the WNBA gives out million dollar a year contracts, the only real way to get "paid" is to get a full scholarship (women tend to be better students, and also less delusional about professional sports) get some tv time and hope to be a top three draft spot for the WNBA, if not they have a degree. With the current rule changes a lot of schools are going to have to make a lot of choices about the theory of "revenue sports"
If my child decided to run away from home......I could explain it away by saying it is the "age" we live in. I could make excuses to justify in my mind...why it wasn't something I could have changed. Or I could look at the problem my "family" fostered and attempt to change it.
That's the problem. Change is feared....for so many reasons...but it is truly what is necessary.
We are "losing" the talent on these teams! Because they are quitters? I don't believe that. These kids have a small window to be successful in their collegiate careers...and they see apathy! They see attendance that is negligible, a fan base that lives for football and no hope on the horizon for change. These kids are sold a song and dance on how they can make a difference...be the start....of something great! They are young...and they are not patient....like a lot of you are. I would assume that staying the course is a sign of patience.....and not apathy...or worse yet...stupidity.
I am not blaming the fans. This is entertainment and you pay for what you value....what you enjoy. There hasn't been a lot to enjoy over the years.....therefor a lot have chosen to "change the channel".
I would hope things couldn't get worse....but maintaining the "status quo" is even worse. Something has to change.
The things that actually need changing would upset ALOT of apple carts, don't look for real change anytime soon. Unless you mean merely changing paint colors on the titanic.
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We are a football school. Period.
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News flash !!!! No matter what Slocom is back next year as he should be adults honor contracts adults that have any backbone don't quit. That is what happened and to spin your anti YSU anti strollo anti Jerry bullsh** is why they quit shows you are no better than them you quit as well on YSU and honestly as an alumni and a member that actually donates and pays to give back what my education fromYSU gave me doesn't want or need your support. When times are tough you don't quit. That's what you did and that's what those kids did.
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Nothing can change the fact we lost 6 players in past month. Obviously something internal is wrong with the program. How come the news media hasn't asked for an explanation from the coaching staff?? Same sh** different day with our men's b-ball program. It's a complete joke!!!!!
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The kid left for program that has 2 post-season appearances in the past 25-years. Yes, that is one more than we have. He lost a year in the process. Good for him, why did I close one anti-YSU thread for another garbage thread? I am going to merge them together.
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@BrettFrantz15: Excited to say I have committed to play basketball at Youngstown State. Can't wait to be a Penguin next year 🐧🏀 http://t.co/HruDfJIZ6w
Stats:
http://kjccc.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/players/brettfrantza61t
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No disrespect to this young man and best of luck in his career at YSU but the last thing we need is another 6'3" guard. Jerry and his recruting staff certainly have that market cornered....
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Jalon Plummer has transferred to Glenville State.
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YSU MBB in perpetual meltdown mode:
http://wkbn.com/2015/09/02/two-assistants-leaving-ysu-mens-basketball-program/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Even the coaches are scattering.
#StrolloCouldntDirectTraffic
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Way to keep the program afloat Jerry! Good luck finding 2 assistants a month and a half before the season lol. Joke!
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Resign after an all-expenses paid trip to the Bahamas?
Well played, sir. Well played.
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Way to keep the program afloat Jerry! Good luck finding 2 assistants a month and a half before the season lol. Joke!
could be worse, could be illinois football.
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Does not Slocum's contract expire after this season? Most of us expect that he will then retire. Correct? Under these circumstances, it is perfectly natural for his assistants to scramble for their futures. It is extremely unlikely that a new coach would retain them. But as Nation noted, leaving after a trip to the Bahamas is, well, ....you fill in the blank.
Neither Strollo nor Tressel can state this publicly, but we lack the resources to make a serious effort to win in both football and men's basketball. If dire circumstances force us to grant FCOA to football players, the sums available for basketball will dwindle even more. That is the reality that should be presented to a young, super-ambitious new coach. Here is your chance to make a reputation for yourself in the Horizon League, but you must do so with the worst resources in the league. But make this team competitive, and the road to better jobs will be paved for you.
Personally, if we can restore football to prominence, continue to evolve the women's basketball program, and enjoy success in select Olympic sports, I am good with that. The fact that men's basketball is abysmal tends to obscure the fact that we have won more Horizon League championships in the past two academic years (11) than any other school.
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It's too bad they have to go through the season with a lame duck coach, but at least JS will be gone at the end of the season.
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I still hope coach S stays. If not, Wernicki should take command. I mean one of those two left for a HS job ...does than not show you how little an assistant at mid-major makes? There is enough money for one solid assistant ...that is all.
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Either commit to make the program competitive or drop down to D2.