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Title: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysuindy on March 12, 2013, 09:53:27 AM
Congratulations to YSU for stepping up with the cash to host this game.

http://www.ysusports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130311kb9ftw (http://www.ysusports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130311kb9ftw)

Boston, Mass. -- The Youngstown State men's basketball team has accepted an invitation to play in the 2013 CollegeInsider.com Tournament (CIT), marking the school's first postseason tournament appearance since joining the NCAA Division I ranks in 1981-82.

The Penguins (17-15), who posted consecutive winning seasons for the first time since 1985, will host their historic game on Tuesday, March 19, at 7:05 p.m. at the Beeghly Center. The Penguins' opponent has not been determined.

Tickets for the postseason game are $10 for reserved and $7 for general admission. Youngstown State student tickets are free with a current and valid student ID.

Penguin Club members and season-ticket holders have until Friday, March 15, at 5 p.m. to purchase their tickets.

Head Coach Jerry Slocum, who has a 38-year career record of 672-475, said he was honored to have the ability to continue playing this season.

"I'm very excited for this opportunity to play in the CIT," Slocum said. "We are very proud of our program and our players to receive this opportunity to play in the postseason."

Youngstown State has not played in a postseason tournament since the 1976-77 NCAA Division II Tournament.

The CIT, which is in its fifth year, consists of 32 teams and 31 games played in the month of March. First-round games are March 19-20; second-round games will be played March 21-23; the quarterfinals will be held March 24-26; the semifinals are March 28-30; and the championship game is on April 2.

The CIT Championship Game will be broadcast live on CBS Sports Network on Tuesday, April 2.



Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysuindy on March 12, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Last year's participating teams.  this is a tournamnet for mid-majors and low majors.  Teams from the big BCS level conferences do not participate (I assume mostly because the NIT takes every one of them that is eligible).


FIRST ROUND

TUESDAY MARCH 13

Robert Morris 67, Indiana State 60    recap | box
Mercer 68, Tennessee State 60    recap | box
Old Dominion 68, Coastal Carolina 66    recap | box
Georgia State 74, Tennessee Tech 43    recap | box
Toledo 76, McNeese State 63    recap | box
Weber State 72, Utah Valley 69    recap | box
WEDNESDAY MARCH 14

Manhattan 89, Albany 79    recap | box
Fairfield 68, Yale 56    recap | box
Oakland 86, Bowling Green 69    recap | box
Buffalo 78, American 61    recap | box
Rice 68, UL-Lafayette 63    recap | box
Drake 70, North Dakota 64    recap | box
Utah State 75, CSU Bakersfield 69    recap | box
Idaho 86, UC Santa Barbara 83    recap | box
Loyola Marymount 88, Cal State Fullerton 79    recap | box
THURSDAY MARCH 15

USC Upstate 73, Kent State 58    recap | box
SECOND ROUND

SATURDAY MARCH 17

Robert Morris 69, Toledo 51    recap | box
Oakland 84, Buffalo 76    recap | box
Mercer 64, Georgia State 59    recap | box
Rice 74, Drake 68    recap | box
Utah State 76, Idaho 56    recap | box
SUNDAY MARCH 18

Old Dominion 65, USC Upstate 56    recap | box
Fairfield 69, Manhattan 57    recap | box
Loyola Marymount 84, Weber State 78 OT    recap | box
QUARTERFINALS

TUESDAY MARCH 20

Oakland 77, Rice 70    recap | box
WEDNESDAY MARCH 21

Fairfield 67, Robert Morris 61    recap | box
Mercer 79, Old Dominion 73    recap | box
Utah State 77, Loyola Marymount 69    recap | box
SEMIFINALS

SATURDAY MARCH 24

Mercer 65, Fairfield 59    recap | box
SUNDAY MARCH 25

Utah State 105, Oakland 81    recap | box
2012 CIT CHAMPIONSHIP
WEDNESDAY MARCH 28

Mercer 70, Utah State67
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysufan0505 on March 12, 2013, 10:48:40 AM
Never heard of this tournament..... Ever
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Dmorton on March 12, 2013, 11:27:59 AM
If it is true that you have to buy your way into this tournament, what have you really earned. 
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: IAA Fan on March 12, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
If it is true that you have to buy your way into this tournament, what have you really earned.

A team has to be invited to participate. Once invited, you bid on a home game. It is just like I-AA/FCS football. Teams from the Ivy and SWAC are invited almost every year to I-AA/FCS play-off ...they "choose" not to participate. YSU has to pay and guarantee ticket sales to host a football play-off game.  CIT is the same in basketball.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ItalianPenguin on March 12, 2013, 01:39:32 PM
Never heard of this tournament..... Ever
Good. Stay home.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ItalianPenguin on March 12, 2013, 01:44:54 PM
I think we basketball fans owe Ron Strollo a debt of gratitude for this. For all of the flak he takes (which 95% of it he has no control over, i.e. budgetary problems), he has stepped up to the plate to do this. If nothing else, it gives the program a bit more visibility and that can only help. Those of you that want to criticize (and it's the same tired few over and over again), do everyone a favor and stay home and watch monster truck races. I think this is a good thing. Congrats to Mr. Strollo and the team for accomplishing this.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Wick250 on March 12, 2013, 02:12:57 PM
This tournament seems to be the equivalent of those minor bowl football games that take the DI "pretenders" each December.  In the long term, playing in this often would not bestow much prestige on the program.  However, in the short term, playing in any kind of DI tournament for the first time ever is a very good thing.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysufan0505 on March 12, 2013, 02:55:56 PM
This is great unless nobody shows up for the game and we don't recoup the money we payed to host the event and we lose in the first round
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ELPENGUIN on March 12, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Instead of blasting the program why don't you naysayers not show up for the game.  I am ecstatic about our basketball success this year.  Coach Slocum deserve this post season game(s) for the rewarding season they he and the team had.  This goes a long way for program recognition.  Go YSU!
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysuindy on March 12, 2013, 05:14:54 PM
UIC has accepted a bid as well and will host.

Interesting ABJ story today about Kent and basketball finances.  In the story, it indicated that the MAC helps pay the $35k fee for the hosting schools (but Kent did not pony up their share last year).  I wonder if the Horizon League is helping with any of the costs for UIC and YSU

http://www.ohio.com/sports/kent-state/marla-ridenour-ksu-basketball-might-soon-get-financial-attention-it-deserves-1.380404#.UT9PZU5RIgi.twitter
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: guinpen on March 12, 2013, 05:52:50 PM
I like it, helps the program, helps YSU, I will be there.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Dmorton on March 12, 2013, 06:57:16 PM
Thanks 1-AA for explaining how this works.  Glad YSU got invited.  Good for Eargle and Allen they get to play at least one more game!  Hope we go a long way in this tourney!
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Lets_Talk on March 12, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
I do not live anywhere close to Ohio or Ytown any longer, so telling me not to come to this game is not necessary.  ;D

With Coach Slocum trying to build a program, appearing in any post season tournamentt can be a good thing for recruiting. Really have to question though if a team with a 14-15 record against D1 opponents and RPI of 187 is deserving of playing in a post season tournament. Same with UIC(16-15 against D1 and RPI of 171).But, YSU was invited, and I do not blame the program for accepting the invitation. Hopefully they get a good crowd and win a few games, as that might help with recruiting.

Here is an honest question about the money for hosting a home game. Why is it when we discuss the OOC home schedules, we get told YSU does not have the money to play quality mid-major teams at home? Yet, now there is money to play in a post season tournament most people have never heard of, and which is likely going to be a very hard sale in terms of getting people to the game? I think this is a fair question.

It is not my money, so it is no skin off my back how much YSU pays to be in this game. Just curious why lack of money is often used as an excuse to play 2 or 3 teams from D3 in the regular season, but now YSU is going to have the money to pay $25,000-$35,000 for a home game in this tournament. If the HL is paying the fee, then that is a different story. Just hard to see this game drawing much more than 2,000 fans.

My opinion is a regular season game against a quality opponent from the MAC, MVC, A10 or a similar type conference would draw much better than a game in this tournament. Would also help YSU's RPI and better prepare the team for HL play. Again, just an opinion and some questions. Please refrain from childish responses and name calling in your responses.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Wick250 on March 12, 2013, 10:40:21 PM
I think Indy might have something with his theory that the Horizon League will pay a portion of the guarantee.  While watching an out-of-town Horizon game on the internet, one of the announcers stated that the league was paying each school for one flight to a league basketball game.  So that might be part of the distribution of the NCAA tournament money.  Paying fees for tournaments like this might be another form of distribution.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Lets_Talk on March 12, 2013, 11:18:41 PM
Wick250, thank you for the info. Would be great if the HL pays the fee. Enables YSU to play in a post-season tournament that ought to help with recruiting. Also gives the seniors at least one more home game. And, in a tournament like this, YSU might be able to win a few games. I also agree with you and the others who have said playing in any post-season tournament at this point is great for the program.

Maybe YSU can get a 1st round game against a team from the MAC, which ought to help with attendance. Thanks again for the response, and also thank you to YsuIndy for all the info on the tournament.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Pizza on March 13, 2013, 12:10:33 AM
The "Everybody Gets a Participation Trophy" Tourney is coming to Youngstown!!

Are they inviting YSU Intramural Champions too? They deserve a trophy too. They worked hard too. Their feelings shouldn't get hurt.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysufan0505 on March 13, 2013, 01:01:02 AM
Costs 35,000 to host this game.... Gonna need a lot more than 2,000 people to come out for this one. Hopefully they can win a few games
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Dmorton on March 13, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
Let the kids play more games.  Some of these guys may not get another chance like this.  Even if they are pretty much a 14-15 win team.  It's not the kids who do the scheduling.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins on March 13, 2013, 02:35:38 AM
Never heard of this tournament..... Ever
Good. Stay home.

I see you're still an asshat.  Do you have to make a smartass remark to everyone? 
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ItalianPenguin on March 13, 2013, 09:52:55 AM
Never heard of this tournament..... Ever
Good. Stay home.

I see you're still an asshat.  Do you have to make a smartass remark to everyone?
Yes I am still an asshat. And yes I make smartass remarks to those who earn them. Like you. Now go back to working on your truck.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ItalianPenguin on March 13, 2013, 09:53:56 AM
The "Everybody Gets a Participation Trophy" Tourney is coming to Youngstown!!

Are they inviting YSU Intramural Champions too? They deserve a trophy too. They worked hard too. Their feelings shouldn't get hurt.
Hilarious!!!.....not.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysuindy on March 13, 2013, 10:28:27 AM
This tournament seems to be the equivalent of those minor bowl football games that take the DI "pretenders" each December.  In the long term, playing in this often would not bestow much prestige on the program.  However, in the short term, playing in any kind of DI tournament for the first time ever is a very good thing.

Wick - 148 teams will play in one of the four post-season tournaments (NCAA, NIT, CBI and CIT).  Your analogy seems spot on, except playing in this tournament is a heckuva lot cheaper than playing in a bowl game.

Its not where we want YSU to be at this time of the year, but it is better than not playing at all.  At least one more game for the seniors, at least one more week of practice (just like football coaches like those extra practices) and some more exposure for the program.

Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysuindy on March 13, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Green Bay also playing in the tournament.  They will be a road team.  Rider is also in as a road team.

Other home teams announced to date are Canisius, Loyola (MD) and Bradley.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins on March 13, 2013, 05:11:26 PM
Never heard of this tournament..... Ever
Good. Stay home.

I see you're still an asshat.  Do you have to make a smartass remark to everyone?
Yes I am still an asshat. And yes I make smartass remarks to those who earn them. Like you. Now go back to working on your truck.

Wow that one hurt.  You should have been banned a long time ago.  You contribute nothing to this board but insults to other posters. 
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysuhoops24 on March 13, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
Why the hell are people complaining about some more basketball for this team.  I for one am excited for another men's game at Beeghly Center.  My 11 month old daughter enjoys the hoops games :) She's becoming a chip off the hold block.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins2010 on March 13, 2013, 06:14:55 PM
Only in Youngstown can anyone find something negative about YSU participating in their first Division I Post Season Basketball Tournament.

You people complain non-stop about the budget and then when YSU does pay to host something that's a positive for the University and basketball program, people actually have the nerve to bash it.

You people look at $35,000 as if it is a significant amount of money. YSU's athletics budget is $11.96 million for 2013. To put this in perspective, this accounts for .0029% of it's 2013 budget.

I would say $35,000 is a very worthy investment for a basketball program that has never made a post season tournament. But only a simpleton couldn't see that.

Stay negative Youngstown!!!
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: YsuPride on March 13, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
As much as I am not a fan of Slocum and Strollo hats off to them for getting us in the CIT.  I am sure we have the $35k available probably using some of the cash from the BCS games we have played in football.   This should be a good recruiting tool telling recruits we are in a post season tourney and also valuable experience for the underclassmen.  YSU needs to market this game really heavy on local TV and 570 WKBN.  Hopefully we can get a good fan turnout. 
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: YSUGO on March 13, 2013, 08:59:00 PM
I don't understand why getting into the turney is a negative. Slocum has at least made us respectable.  We arre on a Dollar General Budget and we went from being one of the worst D1 programs to getting an invite to a tournament.  Its EXPOSURE and it will be worth every penny.  Great job guys and good luck!
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins2010 on March 13, 2013, 09:45:41 PM
Agree 100% Go. It's pathetic the negative mentality people from Youngstown seem to have. I've traveled a lot of places and still consider Ytown home, but by God the negativity of anything positive. People wonder why Ytown has the problems that it does.

We were one of the worst basketball teams in America before Slocum took over. Now we have back-to-back winning seasons, and our first post season basketball appearance in Division I history. And people still nag at the negative. Good God, what is wrong with this area?
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysubigred on March 13, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
Agree 100% Go. It's pathetic the negative mentality people from Youngstown seem to have. I've traveled a lot of places and still consider Ytown home, but by God the negativity of anything positive. People wonder why Ytown has the problems that it does.

We were one of the worst basketball teams in America before Slocum took over. Now we have back-to-back winning seasons, and our first post season basketball appearance in Division I history. And people still nag at the negative. Good God, what is wrong with this area?

Ummm....

(http://satyagraha.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/kryptonite_green_shirt.jpg)

My two cents on this... AWESOME!! GooooGuinsss!!
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ysubigred on March 13, 2013, 10:12:22 PM
Never heard of this tournament..... Ever
Good. Stay home.

I see you're still an asshat.  Do you have to make a smartass remark to everyone?
Yes I am still an asshat. And yes I make smartass remarks to those who earn them. Like you. Now go back to working on your truck.

Wow that one hurt.  You should have been banned a long time ago.  You contribute nothing to this board but insults to other posters.

LOL!! You know Ron get's a little cranky when you talk smack about the AD and the rest of the $$ troubles.

















J.k.. IP love ya man...
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ItalianPenguin on March 13, 2013, 10:34:55 PM
Never heard of this tournament..... Ever
Good. Stay home.

I see you're still an asshat.  Do you have to make a smartass remark to everyone?
Yes I am still an asshat. And yes I make smartass remarks to those who earn them. Like you. Now go back to working on your truck.

Wow that one hurt.  You should have been banned a long time ago.  You contribute nothing to this board but insults to other posters.
You're right actually, I should leave. But the problem then becomes people of your ilk and IQ are left to post and that exacerbates the problems. But you are right, I should go.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Lets_Talk on March 14, 2013, 03:56:58 AM
I am curious as to whether anyone knows how many people YSU will have to draw for the CIT game to recoup the money spent to host? I just went to the men's basketball page to check this season's attendance. Average announced attendance was 2,401.

YSU drew 3,000 or more for 2 games...3,108 against KENT and 4,395 for CSU. Attendance for the HL Tourney game against Loyola was 2,270.

I'm NOT bashing the team for playing in this tournament. Just curious if people that know more than myself have an idea what size crowd YSU will have to draw to break even, and if there is any type of special promotions planned for the game? Also curious as to what happens if YSU makes more than $35,000 from this game. Does the school keep the money? Does it go to the CIT. Or, does any profit from the game go to the HL, and then get distributed evenly among the league schools? Just interested on what is done with any profits made from individual games in this tournament.

Hope YSU does well, wins the home game, and would be really nice if they can get to the 3rd or 4th round.

ItalianPenguin, please do not stop posting. Despite what some people say, you add alot to this board. You get grumpy at times and can be a smart-a$$, but that usually happens when people warrant receiving a smart-a$$ response.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins2010 on March 14, 2013, 09:21:58 AM
Why are we so worried about YSU making a profit from this game? I would venture to so, none of the schools participating make a profit. Outside of a few college football bowl games, most schools take a huge hit by participating in them. Ohio University took a $100,000 hit by participating in the Idaho Potato Bowl two years ago. It was their first ever post season appearance, similar to YSU's here. OU's AD/President looked at it as an investment into their football program. I'm sure YSU does the game.

What we don't know is two things... How much does the Horizon League contribute, because the HL is contributing something to this. And did a booster step up to the plate and help pay the $35,000.

One think to take into consideration is: Butler back-to-back runs to the Final Four is benefitting YSU greatly. And this is paid off over time, not one large lump sum. So YSU is really just starting to rake in the financial benefits from their run into the tournament.

The typical Youngstown way of thinking is, how can we get $35,000 back in one game. It's not possible. Quite honestly, it's a stupid way of thinking. But if you look at the $35,000 as an investment, you know you'll get it back over time.

OU, Ken, Akron, JMU, Liberty, LA Tech, Valpo, UNI, Indiana State etc. paid the same amount of money to participate in the same tournament in years past. I'm sure if you ask any YSU basketball fan if they'd like to be more like those programs they'd say absolutely!
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: ItalianPenguin on March 14, 2013, 03:12:16 PM
I don't think anyone in the athletic dept. expects to make a profit. I believe they'd like to offset as much of it as they can by getting strong attendance at the game, and signing up some corporate sponsorships.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins2010 on March 14, 2013, 04:49:27 PM
If anyone thinks YSU is really trying to make a profit off of this game, I have some up and coming property on the South-side of Youngstown I'll sell you for a great deal!
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Lets_Talk on March 14, 2013, 07:11:38 PM
GoGuins2010,

I am not worried about anything. Just asking questions that I find relevant and of interest. One of the questions happened to be whether the HL is paying part or all of the fee, a possibility you mentioned in one of your responses. And, if a person or persons have made a donation(s) in order for YSU to host this game, I say good for them, and it's nice to see that type of thing being done for YSU and the entire community.

Again, to me, it is a valid question. And, while YSU may not draw enough fans to recoup the $35,000, there may well be a few schools that are able to draw enough fans and bring in more than $35,000. I'm also interested in knowing what happens with any profit made, to have a better understanding of how the CIT handles this scenario. I highly doubt the people responsible for running the CIT are doing so to lose money on this venture. In the NCAA Tournament, money made by schools for playing in the tournament is typically divided equally among all conference members. Same usually happens in 1A/FBS football when teams make it to a bowl game. So, it is a relevant question.

I understand that making money is secondary to getting exposure and playing more games for YSU. But, at a time when there is so much talk about fiscal responsibility, and we hear so much about YSU not having the money to fund their sports programs at levels on par with other HL schools, asking where the money is coming from for this game is a valid question, at least in my opinion. I'm trying to learn more about the workings of the CIT, and the way one learns is by asking questions. Thus, I am asking questions, and hoping a person or persons may be able to give a factual answer, not a childish response.  :-\
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Lets_Talk on March 14, 2013, 07:53:07 PM
GoGuins2010,

One more thing. You might want to get your facts straight in regards to OU Football, especially if using OU football as an example. The Idaho Potato Bowl in the 2011 season was NOT the first bowl game in program history.

And, here is something else to consider. In OU's effort to become a major player in 1A/FBS football, it has resulted in the school cutting down to only 6 sports for men. The school offers 9 sports for women. So, an argument could be made that OU's large financial investment in football has NOT helped the athletic program, and while the football team is improved from the 80's, 90's and early 00's, they are far from becoming the next Boise State, or even a dominate team in the MAC. OU has essentially plateaued as an 8-9 win program in a good year, that goes to a bowl game most people do not have much or any interest in watching.

Here is the OU Bowl Game History, with the 2012 bowl game listed last:


1962 OU played West Texas State in The Sun Bowl...OU lost 15-14 and finished 8-3
1968 OU played in the Tangerine Bowl...OU lost 49-42 to Richmond, and finished 10-1
2011 season, OU beat Utah State 24-23 in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl and finished 10-4
2010 season, OU played in the R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl and lost 48-21 to Troy State ...OU finished 8-5
2009 season, OU played in the Little Ceaser's Bowl and lost to Marshall 21-17... OU finished 8-5
2006 season, OU played in the GMAC Bowl and lost 28-7 to Southern Miss...OU finished 9-5
2012 OU played in the AdvoCare V100 INDEPENDENCE BOWL, and beat LA-Monroe 45-14..OU finished 9-4

OU averaged just over 21,000 fans per home game in 2012. Yes, better than when they were at the bottom of the MAC, but nothing special for a 1A/FBS program

Sorry for taking the discussion off topic. I just get irritated when people use facts that are FALSE in a discussion when trying to make a point. It's not that hard to check info in the year 2013 when one has access to the internet... SMH  ::)
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins2010 on March 14, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
My mistake I meant to say first bowl win in school history. But they had to pony up the cash to do it.

OU is closer to being a MAC football power than YSU is to winning a football national championship.

College athletics right now is an arms race. And right now YSU isn't leading in the spending category. It's nice to see the Butler Final Four run finally paying off.

YSU will need 5,000 people to break even. Won't happen. But minimizing the investment, like most teams who play in a college football do, helps the cause.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: Lets_Talk on March 15, 2013, 02:17:45 AM
GoGuins2010, it is okay, we all make mistakes. I actually left the 2011 Idaho Poyato Bowl out of the original post when listing OU's bowl history. Had to go back and edit the post to make it accurate. Ooops :-[ .

Also, I did not realize OU had won bowl games in each of the last 2 years until checking their past schedules. Easy to understand how you mistakenly typed first appearance instead of first win in a bowl game. And, so you know, I think it is great YSU is playing in the CIT. Think it is great they have a home game. This is the type of tournament that if YSU plays to their potential, they could win more than 1 game.

I'm just interested in the inner workings of the tournament. Like you, I doubt YSU will make money directly off this game. But, it would be nice if the athletic department can recoup as much of the $35,000 as possible. And, as Slocum said, there are alot of teams that are finished with their seasons, while YSU still has games left to play. This means more games for the players, more YSU basketball for fans that follow YSU, and it will help give the school exposure and hopefully help with recruiting. I do think at a few schools in areas where basketball is very popular might be able to get large enough crowds to make a profit. I'm interested to know what happens in that case. I could be wrong, but I believe in the FCS playoffs, and money a school makes on a playoff game from ticket sales in excess of the fee payed to host the game goes to the NCAA.

You are also right about college sports being an arms race. It really is getting ridiculous.

Sorry for rambling, and hope there are no hard feelings.
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: DefendYoungstown on March 18, 2013, 06:10:51 PM
Why You Should Attend YSU Men's Basketball's Historic Home Game Tuesday Night In Youngstown:

http://philkidd.blogspot.com/2013/03/why-you-should-attend-ysu-mens.html
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: GoGuins2010 on March 18, 2013, 06:29:29 PM
Sigh, an article telling YSU fans why they should attend a basketball game... That's not embarrassing or anything... SMH
Title: Re: YSU to host game in CollegeInsider.com tournament
Post by: DefendYoungstown on March 18, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
It's not an article telling YSU fans why they should attend. It's an article for everyone else telling them why they should attend. I just thought I'd share it with this forum. Having read this thread and based on the last comment, maybe that was a mistake...

By the way, I'm not sure what the percentage is but a portion of the $35k hosting fee is being underwritten by local sponsors (per Rob Schmidt).
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Post by: guinpen on March 18, 2013, 09:49:49 PM
Nice read, facts are facts, need a loud crowd.
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Post by: DefendYoungstown on March 19, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Scalzo: CIT Is No Joke For YSU

http://www.vindy.com/news/2013/mar/19/cit-is-no-joke-for-ysu/
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Post by: ysuguins4 on March 19, 2013, 12:54:13 PM
Why You Should Attend YSU Men's Basketball's Historic Home Game Tuesday Night In Youngstown:

http://philkidd.blogspot.com/2013/03/why-you-should-attend-ysu-mens.html

Good piece.  A YSU win would be great, but after the tourney performance against WSU I don't have much confidence.
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Post by: IAA Fan on March 19, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
Coach was saying a few interesting things about the game plan. 1. We still plan to keep the tempo up, even though Oakland is a fast team. 2. He wants to get extra passes in each possession to press them on defense.
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Post by: ysuindy on March 19, 2013, 05:55:17 PM
Pomeroy gives YSU a 64% chance of winning and projects a 79-75 YSU win.

Sagarin makes YSU a 3 1/2 point favorite, effectively his home court advantage.

Massey gives YSU a 71% chance of winning and projects an 80-74 YSU win.
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Post by: IAA Fan on March 19, 2013, 06:05:23 PM
They were on the road last year Indy, and they ended up in the CIT final-4.
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Post by: ysuguins4 on March 20, 2013, 08:40:01 AM
Good win.  The Guins had to take down a .500 team from their old conference, and they did.  Kudos to those that went to the game.  It was the 3rd largest crowd of the season.
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Post by: ItalianPenguin on March 20, 2013, 11:54:40 AM
Great atmosphere last night and some of the fans (ahem...) got on the Oakland thugs pretty well. Team played very well and as ysuguins4 said, congrats to those who came and rooted the team on. It does help. And shame to those naysayers, this was a good thing for the program.
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Post by: ysufan0505 on March 20, 2013, 12:27:39 PM
Great atmosphere last night and some of the fans (ahem...) got on the Oakland thugs pretty well. Team played very well and as ysuguins4 said, congrats to those who came and rooted the team on. It does help. And shame to those naysayers, this was a good thing for the program.

Thugs???? I'd watch what you say. We are from Youngstown lol
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Post by: ysuguins4 on March 20, 2013, 12:38:59 PM
Scalzo said area boosters have stepped up again to bid on another home game.  Of the 6 CIT games played last night, YSU had the best attendance.
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Post by: Wick250 on March 20, 2013, 01:48:18 PM
The best attendance last night!  That is very interesting.  It could indeed serve us well in our pursuit of that second round game.  I was pleasantly surprised by the size of the crowd, considering it was a week night, there was only about a week to sell tickets, and every seat had to be resold to corporate and individual season ticket holders. 

I had an open mind about Oakland and the Horizon League.  I now say a resounding "no."  As IP stated, they have thugs, perhaps more than Detroit or Cleveland State.  They specialize in cheap shots away from the ball and out of the sight of the officials (who made the usual Horizon League referees look highly competent.)  Also, Oakland's style of offense-oriented street ball combined with no defense would do nothing for the reputation or ratings of the Horizon league. 
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Post by: Wick250 on March 20, 2013, 03:55:27 PM
0505,

What happens when you take a team that plays no defense and put them in a league where most programs are committed to defense, and where the best teams play great defense?  The answer is that Oakland, as they are currently formed, would win about one road game per year and maybe half of their home games.  As the tenth member of the Horizon League, they would be 5-13 every year.  You might find street ball entertaining but Oakland could not compete in our league without a major change in philosophy.
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Post by: ysufan0505 on March 20, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
0505,

What happens when you take a team that plays no defense and put them in a league where most programs are committed to defense, and where the best teams play great defense?  The answer is that Oakland, as they are currently formed, would win about one road game per year and maybe half of their home games.  As the tenth member of the Horizon League, they would be 5-13 every year.  You might find street ball entertaining but Oakland could not compete in our league without a major change in philosophy.


Yeah I agree but what other schools would be considered that are close enough to join the league?
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Post by: GoGuins2010 on March 20, 2013, 05:56:19 PM
Great atmosphere last night and some of the fans (ahem...) got on the Oakland thugs pretty well. Team played very well and as ysuguins4 said, congrats to those who came and rooted the team on. It does help. And shame to those naysayers, this was a good thing for the program.

There are far too many naysayers in Youngstown. Anyone who says this isn't good for the program are pathetic. It is. From where we were when Slocum took over the program, to where we are now, is a significant step.

With the win, YSU now has 18 on the season. They will have a legitimate chance to get to 20. 20 wins is a magic number when it comes to recruiting.
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Post by: Wick250 on March 20, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
Kent State won tonight (barely) but attendance was listed in the box score as less than 2,000.  Canisius (in Buffalo) also won but barely drew more than 1,000.  Those are the closest foes remaining.  So....we shall see if money talks.
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Post by: ysuguins4 on March 21, 2013, 08:32:57 AM
Air Force at Hawaii was the only CIT game from last night with higher attendance than YSU.  I have to believe the Guins will be hosting again.
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Post by: ysuindy on March 21, 2013, 09:08:16 AM
It has been announced that Kent State is playing at Loyola (Maryland).
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Post by: ysuindy on March 21, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
From following Trevor Parks' Twitter feed, at 11 a.m. everyone has a dance partner except YSU, Canisius, Oral Roberts and UC Irvine.

YSU and Canisius seems logical, but dragging this out doesn't.  Will be interesting to see the final result.
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Post by: ysuindy on March 21, 2013, 12:12:47 PM
YSU and Canisius Twitter feeds confirm game at YSU at 7 pm Saturday.

A big thank you again to those in the community who have stepped up to make this possible.  3 post-season games at Beeghly in one week.