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I was present at the game and this kid made all the throws. He is the real deal ..I know our resident talent guru disagrees I have seen alot of football in my life and YSU got a good one. He makes everybody better on offense and he showed poise today as well.
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This kid could end up being very special. He's going to make some mistakes, but damn he has a big time arm. Actually moves pretty well too. He may keep a lot of games close with his throwing ability.
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Wow
I'm pressed. He is the real deal. Indefensible passes. We have a good one.
Paladin?
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He is definitely the real deal. The throws he was making were pretty amazing. The offense seems more fluid with him out there.
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Paladin, let's hear your nonsense about Weenie games and Pat Angle. Two very impressive starts for Wells.
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YSU got lucky today. Wells only had 2 fumbles and 1 INT . Stay tuned. Keep those smiling faces because you are going to have to bear the burden when the losses come . Notice how the coaches keep him in short throws ? The yardage built up with RAC. There is a reason for that and as the MVFC catches up with Mr. Wells, Montgomery may not have another rabbit to pull out of his hat. There are a number of reasons why he only got 1 D-I offer (YSU) in a county ( Stark) that is heavily recruited . I have already told you he isn't much of a running threat and coughs up the ball when he does. He tends to hang long balls which is a golden invitation for INTs. CRedit the OL today who gave him decent protection, but you'll soon see what happens when he gets pressured and it aint' pretty. But , Montgomery knows his faults and will keep him in short throws as long as he can. The MVFC will catch up. We will see how long those of you think he is Wonderboy.
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Paladin tje.only.mistake he made today was not stepping up in the pocket. The one was a route issue. He is nothe a read option qb. He is a pocket passer. A power o qb. I like him and he isaid extremely accurate. What is you point?
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My point is he was passed over because he makes lots of mistakes ( fumbles, INTs and doesn't handle pressure well). Montgomery is keeping him on a short leash with simple short throws. The league will catch on to that, take it away and YSU will be done with a QB who is no longer a threat. Enjoy the win. Yep he is strictly a passing QB and when they jump on that............................
Think otherwise ? Stay tuned then. It just getting started. Grab some popcorn.
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He's a damn freshman. Paladin I don't think anyone respects anything you say. Frankly I just roll my eyes every time I see you post. Give up your f'ing act. You aren't a YSU supporter just a hater.
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My point is he was passed over because he makes lots of mistakes ( fumbles, INTs and doesn't handle pressure well). Montgomery is keeping him on a short leash with simple short throws. The league will catch on to that, take it away and YSU will be done with a QB who is no longer a threat. Enjoy the win. Yep he is strictly a passing QB and when they jump on that............................
Think otherwise ? Stay tuned then. It just getting started. Grab some popcorn.
Ooh let's hear your political predictions Nostradamus.
Someone seems a bit salty Patrick Angle never played a down at YSU. I will take Stark County over Logan, OH every time. How many offers did Angle have again???
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REspect ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hilarious. No one respected my calls for losing years when I first came on here. And lose they did to everyone's chagrin. Back to back when everyone was predicting winning seasons with the "great" coach H. Did they respect my opinion when I told everyone the talent level was falling and YSU resorted to running a H.S. O making itself look ridiculous while the season record dropped year by year ? I was early claiming Heacock couldn't recruit and was a poor HC. Cat calls left and right. THey final canned a coach I warned about YEARS early. Respect ?
Grab some popcorn. I don't give a damn for any respect here because most are a day LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT IN THEIR OUTLOOK HERE. No one showed any respect when I was proven right time after time after time. Time is on my side. Remember what you are all saying now ! ;D
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My point is he was passed over because he makes lots of mistakes ( fumbles, INTs and doesn't handle pressure well). Montgomery is keeping him on a short leash with simple short throws. The league will catch on to that, take it away and YSU will be done with a QB who is no longer a threat. Enjoy the win. Yep he is strictly a passing QB and when they jump on that............................
Think otherwise ? Stay tuned then. It just getting started. Grab some popcorn.
1. INT was a miscommunication with WR
2. Take what the defense gives you, he throws and makes deep balls (Unlike Hess)
3. When they jump on the fact that he's a strictly a passing QB??? Like 3/4 of of the QB's in college football lol
4. Fumble was his fault, but Montgomery should not put him in that situation (Topic for another day)
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Paladin said michigan state was one of the worst teams in the big 10 last year. Msu won the rose bowl, finished ranked 4th nationally. Tells you everything you need to know about her.
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My point is he was passed over because he makes lots of mistakes ( fumbles, INTs and doesn't handle pressure well). Montgomery is keeping him on a short leash with simple short throws. The league will catch on to that, take it away and YSU will be done with a QB who is no longer a threat. Enjoy the win. Yep he is strictly a passing QB and when they jump on that............................
Think otherwise ? Stay tuned then. It just getting started. Grab some popcorn.
Hunter is a power offense qb. Not a read oprion sissy. He made some excelent throws today. They were outstanding. How can you spew this crap? He is waaaaaaay better than Hess or any other qb we've had in the last 20 yrs. And he is only a freshman. What kind of crack are you smoking? He is fantastic. He put the ball where nobody could get to it on multiple throws
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Hunter Wells is a very nice QB. Sure he makes mistakes, EVERY QB in the country makes mistakes. Plus, he is a true freshman. He seems to have alot of composure for a Freshman. And he seems to do a good job of leading the team when he is on the field.
I do agree that he is a passing QB who is not much of a threat to run. The thing is, YSU has 2 very good Running backs, so they do not need a running QB. Especially given YSU also has several quality receivers. I do not know how the final 5 games will play out, but in my opinion, Hunter Wells gives YSU the best possibility of winning NOW. And, it is easy to see he has the potential to be a very good QB over the course of his career, barring serious injury or illness.
It is also nice to have a capable QB in Dante Nania as the backup if Wells were to get injured.
Paladin, I like reading your posts most of the time. I like that you give your opinions, and you provide alot of insight with your posts. The one thing that bothers me is you seem to have a hard time admitting when you are wrong as far as projecting how a player will do, or how the team will do in a given game or an entire season. There are plenty of times you are right, but there are also times you are wrong. Would just be nice if you could admit when you are wrong. There is not a single person in this world who is correct all of the time.
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My point is he was passed over because he makes lots of mistakes ( fumbles, INTs and doesn't handle pressure well). Montgomery is keeping him on a short leash with simple short throws. The league will catch on to that, take it away and YSU will be done with a QB who is no longer a threat. Enjoy the win. Yep he is strictly a passing QB and when they jump on that............................
Think otherwise ? Stay tuned then. It just getting started. Grab some popcorn.
Hunter is a power offense qb. Not a read oprion sissy. He made some excelent throws today. They were outstanding. How can you spew this crap? He is waaaaaaay better than Hess or any other qb we've had in the last 20 yrs. And he is only a freshman. What kind of crack are you smoking? He is fantastic. He put the ball where nobody could get to it on multiple throws
I think Pally you full of crap. Our offense is based on short throws..Hess couldn't throw a long ball never looked off a reciever..Wells had thrown more long balls in 7 games than Hess did in 4 yrs...Hess was an average system QB. As for why the Big Schools backed off who gives a sh** their loss..the kid dominated his last 2 yrs and to belittle Stark County football shows your stupidity. .you said that Hunter had no arm strength. ..he DOES.. we didn't get lucky today thats another bullsh** lie...WE Were the Better team...He led them and got the W...not bad for a weak skinny armed mistake prone QB.
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You witnessed indefensible passes today. Exciting
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Hunter Wells is a very nice QB. Sure he makes mistakes, EVERY QB in the country makes mistakes. Plus, he is a true freshman. He seems to have alot of composure for a Freshman. And he seems to do a good job of leading the team when he is on the field.
I do agree that he is a passing QB who is not much of a threat to run. The thing is, YSU has 2 very good Running backs, so they do not need a running QB. Especially given YSU also has several quality receivers. I do not know how the final 5 games will play out, but in my opinion, Hunter Wells gives YSU the best possibility of winning NOW. And, it is easy to see he has the potential to be a very good QB over the course of his career, barring serious injury or illness.
It is also nice to have a capable QB in Dante Nania as the backup if Wells were to get injured.
Paladin, I like reading your posts most of the time. I like that you give your opinions, and you provide alot of insight with your posts. The one thing that bothers me is you seem to have a hard time admitting when you are wrong as far as projecting how a player will do, or how the team will do in a given game or an entire season. There are plenty of times you are right, but there are also times you are wrong. Would just be nice if you could admit when you are wrong. There is not a single person in this world who is correct all of the time.
Nice post but my wife does agree with your last sentence.
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REspect ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hilarious. No one respected my calls for losing years when I first came on here. And lose they did to everyone's chagrin. Back to back when everyone was predicting winning seasons with the "great" coach H. Did they respect my opinion when I told everyone the talent level was falling and YSU resorted to running a H.S. O making itself look ridiculous while the season record dropped year by year ? I was early claiming Heacock couldn't recruit and was a poor HC. Cat calls left and right. THey final canned a coach I warned about YEARS early. Respect ?
Grab some popcorn. I don't give a damn for any respect here because most are a day LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT IN THEIR OUTLOOK HERE. No one showed any respect when I was proven right time after time after time. Time is on my side. Remember what you are all saying now ! ;D
Yes, you were right some of the time. However, you were also wrong as many times that you were right.
You know what. My wife does not know a damn thing about football. She could flip a coin to get 50%.
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From Wick on another thread:
Let's be sure to give credit to the offensive line. SIU had the reputation for a quality pass rush. The line gave Wells ample time and, I think, only one holding penalty. Very well done indeed. Amazing composure for a true freshman. Particularly impressive was the way he rebounded after the interception.
Agree...even with the loss of Colucci for this game, the protection was good.
Taking nothing away from Hunter, but the play calling last night would have fit in very well for Dante too.
Amazing how Stubbs was open almost all night. I thought Christian was open several times, but must have been the 3rd or 4th receiver in progression.
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I'm not ready to declare Wells the next Aaron Rodgers, but there's no question he has won the position. Nania did absolutely nothing with his opportunities the past two weeks. Yes, Wells can't run, but Nania the runner didn't do anything, so I think the run thing is a moot point. Besides, we already have good runners on this team without Nania--we need a passer, and Wells gives us that. I don't care if SDSU slices him up next week--Wells won the job.
What was intriguing is that Wells didn't panic under pressure. His actions can be anticipated in that you can see him visually checking off his receivers has he moves from his primary target to his secondary ones, but there was a kind of patience to let the play develop and confidence in the WRs that is missing in Nania.
I'm not going to complain about the mix of passes at all. Montgomery mixed up the plays well, and the WRs did a good job getting open.
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I think Wells has a long way to go; but he is going to be something special. He seems to have to remember to step up into his protection. which is odd for a pocket guy. Then again this is DI, and the pocket moves. Remember that Monty's schema does require a mobile QB, so this has to come. Without it, we lack the run options that gave Hess' offense so much success. I was very happy that Montgomery had Wells pick off small pieces last night. It gave us long sustained drives.
Great point on Agnew leaving the game ...he could have crushed us. Big, strong and fast ...we need that. Oh well, winning is as much about being lucky, as it is about being good. Also great point on those read option plays. Monty called them several times and they never worked with any consistency. Works very well with Nania though. Then again, Wells does not need to be that far outside to pass; but I hope he is not too uncomfortable that it never comes. So I can see why Nania won the job, but I can equally see why Wells has taken it.
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I think Wells has a long way to go; but he is going to be something special. He seems to have to remember to step up into his protection. which is odd for a pocket guy. Then again this is DI, and the pocket moves. Remember that Monty's schema does require a mobile QB, so this has to come. Without it, we lack the run options that gave Hess' offense so much success. I was very happy that Montgomery had Wells pick off small pieces last night. It gave us long sustained drives.
Great point on Agnew leaving the game ...he could have crushed us. Big, strong and fast ...we need that. Oh well, winning is as much about being lucky, as it is about being good. Also great point on those read option plays. Monty called them several times and they never worked with any consistency. Works very well with Nania though. Then again, Wells does not need to be that far outside to pass; but I hope he is not too uncomfortable that it never comes. So I can see why Nania won the job, but I can equally see why Wells has taken it.
It's on Montgomery to change his scheme. Wells is not a runner, and never will be a runner.
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Monty ??? Are we in love ? :o
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I felt Wells was very well schooled so I did some digging after the game. It turns out he has been mentored by former all-American quarterback Jim Ballard of Mount Union over the course of his high school career. His father has also been an assistant with Fairless H.S. for a number of years as well. With over 1,000 pass attempts in H.S. it's obviously he comes off his 1st and 2nd reads very quickly and takes what the defense gives him. In the face of a blitz he's one of those intelligent Qb's who will make you pay dearly . I have know problem with Nania being named the starter for the Illinois game. Wells should've been named the starter for the Duquesne game. The staff has lost basically 4 games of experience that could be very important as we continue the M.V.C. grind !!!
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I did not say he had to be a running qb. I just said that he has to develop his mobility
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I felt Wells was very well schooled so I did some digging after the game. It turns out he has been mentored by former all-American quarterback Jim Ballard of Mount Union over the course of his high school career. His father has also been an assistant with Fairless H.S. for a number of years as well. With over 1,000 pass attempts in H.S. it's obviously he comes off his 1st and 2nd reads very quickly and takes what the defense gives him. In the face of a blitz he's one of those intelligent Qb's who will make you pay dearly . I have know problem with Nania being named the starter for the Illinois game. Wells should've been named the starter for the Duquesne game. The staff has lost basically 4 games of experience that could be very important as we continue the M.V.C. grind !!!
Don't take this the wrong way, but I expect a lot more from Wells than what he learned from some future D-III quarterback.
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That D3 qb played 10 yrs of professional Football in one form or other and probably a better QB than you think..I have said before that the YSU coaching staff in their opinion said this kid is special. If that kid was 25 Lbs heavier he wouldnt be here..I watched the replay after attending the game ...the kid is a gunslinger. Lets hope we can protect him and build the O to his strengths. I watched our young line do a good job and we forget we are only starting 3 or 4 Seniors. We are not far from being good.
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That D3 qb played 10 yrs of professional Football in one form or other and probably a better QB than you think..I have said before that the YSU coaching staff in their opinion said this kid is special. If that kid was 25 Lbs heavier he wouldnt be here..I watched the replay after attending the game ...the kid is a gunslinger. Lets hope we can protect him and build the O to his strengths. I watched our young line do a good job and we forget we are only starting 3 or 4 Seniors. We are not far from being good.
I saw Jim Ballard play in college. Not a stretch at all to think he could have played I-AA football. Had the size (6-3, 220) and arm strength. Passed for 12,000-plus yards more than 150 touchdowns.
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paladin - What is your purpose on this board? You say you are right about everything? What exactly have you been correct about?
You said Patrick Angle was the QB of the future - WRONG
You said Michigan State was a bottom big 10 team last year - WRONG
You said Hunter Wells is not a good QB - WRONG
Last year you made a post that our athletics department as a whole, is poor - WRONG (2nd best in the Horizon)
You made a post saying out tennis program was poor - WRONG (Tennis won the Horizon League)
YSU had the 2nd best athletics program in the Horizon League last year.
Six Conference Championships in 2013-14.
Track and Field athletes placed nationally at the NCAA meet.
YSU track and Field program finished in the top 30 overall nationally.
Baseball team won a NCAA tournament game.
Women's Tennis became the only other team not named UIC to make the NCAA tournament in the last 15 years.
Soccer is competitive and now beats or ties Big 10 programs.
Volleyball is in first place in the conference.
Softball is competitive.
Women's basketball on pace to win 20 games this season.
Men's basketball has a solid group of young players.
Our facilities are the best in the Horizon League, and some of the best in the state.
My question, what did Ron Strollo do to you? Did he steal your lunch money as a kid? Girlfriend? Pass you over for a job?
Why not come out and just say what your real beef is. Instead of saying all these B.S. remarks that make you look stupid.
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He is waaaaaaay better than Hess or any other qb we've had in the last 20 yrs.
Better than Brungard, Ryan, Zetts and Hess? I'm not ready to say that yet, but I sure hope you wind up being right. He needs to work on his ball handling skills, but I am very impressed with how calm he is in the pocket. Will be interesting to see how he responds in his first road game, and now that teams will have more film on him.
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Wells has been very impressive, but let's not place this kid on a pedestal only to complain about him when adversity strikes. The reality is we have three extremely difficult road games left, and we must win one of them to reach the playoffs. It is unreasonable and unfair to expect a true freshman quarterback to excel in those environments. If we are going to pull off an upset somewhere, we will need a complete team effort: the defense playing as well as they did against MSU and SIU, the offensive line dominating like they did on Saturday, and the special teams improving dramatically. Solid coaching would not hurt either.
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I don't think it's fair to make Hunter into the best QB in YSU history.
But for Paladin to blast the kid and say he's terrible and we're lucky we won, is flat out stupid!
We dropped a TD pass of his and had to settle on a field goal. He doesn't bring up that.
As I've stated several times, Paladin is not a YSU fan. Not a season ticket holder. Not a Penguin Club member. Does not cheer when we win.
Someone who does not contribute financially or with emotional team spirit, is not a fan. He's a tire kicker.
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Wells has been very impressive, but let's not place this kid on a pedestal only to complain about him when adversity strikes. The reality is we have three extremely difficult road games left, and we must win one of them to reach the playoffs. It is unreasonable and unfair to expect a true freshman quarterback to excel in those environments. If we are going to pull off an upset somewhere, we will need a complete team effort: the defense playing as well as they did against MSU and SIU, the offensive line dominating like they did on Saturday, and the special teams improving dramatically. Solid coaching would not hurt either.
I hate to say this, as so many things can change; but as of right now: After WIU's loss this past weekend ...we probably need to win 2 of those road games. Unless we finish in first, once of those two wins needs to be a team above in conference standings & coaches poll.
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He is waaaaaaay better than Hess or any other qb we've had in the last 20 yrs.
Better than Brungard, Ryan, Zetts and Hess? I'm not ready to say that yet, but I sure hope you wind up being right. He needs to work on his ball handling skills, but I am very impressed with how calm he is in the pocket. Will be interesting to see how he responds in his first road game, and now that teams will have more film on him.
Brungard's last year was 1994 correct? I thought about that but Ryan and Zetts were small and couldn't see over the line. Ryan would try to force passes that got picked in big games. I just really like this kid's release and poise in the pocket. His ball placement has been incredible.
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The Palain posts.....
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Try it! You'll like i! Guaranteed!
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Think Brungard's last year was 95
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Think Brungard's last year was 95
Think you are right--YSU was preseason choice to win title but ended up with terrible season.
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Think Brungard's last year was 95
Think you are right--YSU was preseason choice to win title but ended up with terrible season.
Brungard was my favorite YSU QB... Thank you Phar-mor!
Phar-Mor was a United States chain of discount drug stores, based in Youngstown, Ohio, and founded by Michael "Mickey" Monus and David S. Shapira in 1982. Some of its stores used the names Pharmhouse and Rx Place (purchased in the mid-1990s from the F.W. Woolworth Company). Low prices were advertised to bring in a large volume of sales with the slogans "Phar-Mor power buying gives you Phar-Mor buying power" and "Phar-Mor For Less." Another common slogan in their TV commercials was "Power buying saves: Save at Phar-Mor."
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He was also my favorite---I was fairly certain that Hess wasn't your favorite.Phar-Mor also had Phar-Mor money listed on their inventories than was actually there--which led to their rapid expansion as well as eventual downfall.
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He was also my favorite---I was fairly certain that Hess wasn't your favorite.Phar-Mor also had Phar-Mor money listed on their inventories than was actually there--which led to their rapid expansion as well as eventual downfall.
They also sold Coke for Phar-less Coke than legally allowed ...and also Phar-less inventory than they reported. ;)
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In my opinion, the 2 best QB's at YSU since moving to 1AA/FCS were Trenton Lykes and Nick Cochran.
Those of you who remember 86 and 87 will recall that YSU ran a traditional pro style offense. And, in 87, Trenton Lykes led YSU to an OVC Championship and first ever trip to the 1AA/FCS playoffs. Trenton set a then school record for passing yards with 2,452 in 1987, breaking the record he set in 86 of 2,138. This was at a time when offenses were much more balanced run and pass and well before spread offenses. The record stood until 1994, when Mark Brungard broke it by 1 yard (2,452). Trenton set the record in 12 games, Brungard broke the record in 14 games.
The 2,452 yards by Lykes in 1987 is 4th all time in YSU history.
Trenton has the 2nd and 3rd most completions in a single season...216 in 87 and 190 in 86
3rd all time in completions with 543
3rd all time in pass attempts 937
5th all time completion percentage - 57.9%
T4th 200 yard passing games - 10
4th in passing TD's - 40
T1st for 300 yard passing games - 4
2nd all time in avg passing yards per game - 176.8
5th all time in total offense yards - 6,846
4th all time total offense plays - 1,303
ALL time leader for passing yards by a Senior - 2,452
Most completions by a Junior - 190
First Team All OVC in 1987
OVC Offensive Player of Year - 1987
Due in large part to Nick going to OSU out of high school in 88 instead of straight to YSU, people only got to see a small glimpse of what Nick could do as QB. Had Nick gone to YSU right out of high school, he would have been the starting QB by the middle of the 88 season, and then started 89,90 and 91. YSU also would likely have never switched to the option, as that decision was made in large part to Ray Isaac being much more of a threat running than passing. As a 4 year starter, Nick would likely be in the top 5 of every career passing record plus total offensive yards and in the top 5 for many of the single season records for passing and total offensive yards
Nick passed for 2,196 yards and 12 TD's in 1992 while playing in an option offense and having 2 running backs gain more than 1,000 yards in Tamron Smith and Darnell Clark.... Nick was named Most Outstanding Offensive Player in 1992 also a Captain on the 1992 team
2,507 total offense yards in 92, the 4th most in YSU history
15th all time in completions - 169
14th career passing yards - 2,545
16th all time passing TD's - 16
20th total offensive yards career - 2,950
*** Most of the above was accomplished in the 92 season, though Nick did play in 90 and 91 as the backup to Isaac****
I think Demond Tidwell is the most underrated of the QB's at YSU during the 1AA/FCS era. Demond did a nice job as starter in 96(8-3) and 97(13-2 and won an NC). Also, in 94 as a Frosh, he started and played the entire game against McNeese State when Brungard was hurt.
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Lets_Talk...Tidwell is still my favorite since the 90s. That was a guy who probably had no business being a YSU QB. But damn, he was the proverbial game manager and did pretty well.
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Good summary Lets_Talk. I think Tidwell had tons of talent. The problem is that Tressel switched us to the pro-set & literally ignored Tidwell. (If I had one bone to pick with him was that change). Tressel apologized during an interview about the lack of preparation with Demond. I also think that Demond had a tough time with Tressel running the ball so much.
Your take on Lykes and Cochran are "spot-on". Lykes was incredible, but most here would not remember him. He took on every challenge and always exceeded my expectations.
Interesting thoughts on Isaac. The thing that most do not realize about Ray is that he was far above YSU (as were many of our late 80's recruits that wanted a part of YSU's move to the MAC). He was bred to be a true Big-8 QB and really was headed in that direction. The issue was that the Big-8 really changed the way they played the game. The era of the big option offense was gone and Ray did not fit-in any more. Tressel aggressively pursued him and told Ray about the plan to build a team in the likeness of GA Southern. So with Ray, we had a QB at the talent level I-AA normally does not see. This can also be said about Cochran
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Cochran had a great season in 92, but I can't put him ahead of Issac, because Ray beat him out in 90 and 91. You may be right about him coming to YSU right out of high school, but he didn't, so we'll never know.
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"The Colonel"
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Tidwell was a game manager wasnt that fast when we would run any option with him it looked like he was in slow motion. WE used to joke all the time that he was the slowest option QB in college football. But he had a magical Senior season rarely made a mistake and led us to a title. Cochran was the best pure passer we have had under JT. The offense was not a fit for him. Ray was the true option QB ...he was a mediocre passer but when the game was on the line he found a way to win.
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Tidwell was a game manager wasnt that fast when we would run any option with him it looked like he was in slow motion. WE used to joke all the time that he was the slowest option QB in college football. But he had a magical Senior season rarely made a mistake and led us to a title. Cochran was the best pure passer we have had under JT. The offense was not a fit for him. Ray was the true option QB ...he was a mediocre passer but when the game was on the line he found a way to win.
You are correct. Bit the reason is because he had an outstanding OL
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He was also my favorite---I was fairly certain that Hess wasn't your favorite.Phar-Mor also had Phar-Mor money listed on their inventories than was actually there--which led to their rapid expansion as well as eventual downfall.
LOL.. Oh yes Mr. Hess the greatest paper Penguin of all times :o
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Need another strong game from Hunter today !
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Need another strong game from Hunter today !
We got it
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Yes sir we did. Lookin good, made a couple really nice throws today.
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Anyone know Paladin to see if he's still eating well? Or has he entered depression for being wrong yet again!
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If he's eating ,hopefully its Wabbit Stew that the Hunter just made! ;)
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You all obsess about Paladin too much! I think he does add to the board with his analysis and preseason prognostications. He certainly has everyone talking! His opinions are his right or wrong! Hell! I don't mind eating crow if YSU wins, and thought they we lose. I was estatic this past weekend. I certainly thought they would lose against SD St. We still have five tough games ahead. I hoping we don't trip up on a game we should win, but then again in this conference any game is a challenge.
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You all obsess about Paladin too much! I think he does add to the board with his analysis and preseason prognostications. He certainly has everyone talking! His opinions are his right or wrong! Hell! I don't mind eating crow if YSU wins, and thought they we lose. I was estatic this past weekend. I certainly thought they would lose against SD St. We still have five tough games ahead. I hoping we don't trip up on a game we should win, but then again in this conference any game is a challenge.
Agree with everything you say 100% except the obsessing with Paladin--its just part of keeping the message board lively--I give him props for sticking his neck out with his analysis and prognostications and I do value a lot of what he has to say but also do enjoy the barbs if he ends up being wrong--bottom line he is instrumental in keeping some well needed life in this board IMHO.
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If he's so instrumental in keeping this board lively, why doesn't he post after wins?
I'm sorry, but I have no respect for anyone who can only be negative. If he can post stuff calling for the coaches an ad's firing without any merit, and pump his chest everytime we lose. We can pump our chest after we win. It's called being a passionate, loyal fan. I am a YSU homer, through and through. YSU winning means everything to me. I won't respect those who only post after losses. Too many negative people in Youngstown that bring the area down!
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To me that makes the win even sweeter--I love it when negative posters have to eat their words ;D
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I think Paladin is a critic's critic. When he is on other web sites he is not critical. He's just our negative nelly.
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I'll keep this short but sweet. You are welcome to enjoy a win with Wells. However, let me remind you why he was passed over by D-I colleges -- against SDS, he threw two passes into the hands of the SDS D and they dropped both. Could have been 2 INT with different game results. He threw a swing pass to Stubbs under NO DURESS around 5-10 yds away and threw it in the dirt. His accuracy at times was erratic as he overthrew and threw behind receivers. However Montgomery keeps him in short throws for the most part so he avoids sacks and being pressured into throwing it up for grabs. He did get sacked as pressure was applied and he wilted. As he becomes known, MVFC teams will zero in on his flaws and the Ds will become more prepared for Wells.Colleges passed on him because of the above reasons and more. Yet, so far he's been lucky to win ( didn't win the MSU game he played 3 quarters in) games he started. Reality is still out there and yet to be confronted.
And other than one long throw to Williams ( yes, it was a nice pass), don't look now but Montgomery is turning him into a system QB and he's doing it to hide the flaws I've mentioned. You don't have to agree, just keep your eyes open.
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Paladan you may be right over the course of time but a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm going to give Wells his due since he has played better than I thought and he's the best qb on scholarship. He's made all the throws against SDSU and I rather look at the good than speculate what might or might not happen down the road. I'm sure he might struggle during this season but how many true frosh are ready at the next level ?
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Here is mine. If what we have seen so far from Wells indicates a bad arm, I will take it. If remaining composed in the pocket and searching for alternate receivers when necessary is all Wells can do, I will take it. If throwing two touchdown passes, running for a touchdown, throwing no picks, not fumbling, and botching no handoffs is all Wells can do, I will take it. If going 4 for 5 on a critical fourth quarter drive, including a pinpoint accurate td pass is all Wells can do, I will take it.
Illinois State and Indiana State play good defense (NDSU goes without saying.) A true freshman INEVITABLY will struggle some in those environments. That is when he must get assistance from the rest of his teammates on offense and defense.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Here is mine. If what we have seen so far from Wells indicates a bad arm, I will take it. If remaining composed in the pocket and searching for alternate receivers when necessary is all Wells can do, I will take it. If throwing two touchdown passes, running for a touchdown, throwing no picks, not fumbling, and botching no handoffs is all Wells can do, I will take it. If going 4 for 5 on a critical fourth quarter drive, including a pinpoint accurate td pass is all Wells can do, I will take it.
Illinois State and Indiana State play good defense (NDSU goes without saying.) A true freshman INEVITABLY will struggle some in those environments. That is when he must get assistance from the rest of his teammates on offense and defense.
I agree! It is remarkable how accurate some of his passes are, especially the deep ones.
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I am extremely pleased with Wells thus far and understand he will make FRESHMAN mistakes. Will he struggle against our remaining opponents? He very well might but no QB let alone player is perfect. Paladin, I'm still searching for your Hall of Fame plaque or write up for either dominating a D-1 sport as a coach or player but I'm having trouble finding it. Your Coyotes will have their hands full.
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First road game in front of a tough crowd, and he passed the test.
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The great Dr. Lou Holtz has said:
"It's never as good as it seems...and it's never as bad as it seems either."
As such, I have been quite impressed with the positive attributes being discussed about Hunter Wells. He has made some great throws...and some not so great. We were lucky that a few passes were not picked off at SDSU which could have led to a loss. They did not and we will take the W! I have really liked how you can see him going through each receiver progressively and knowing when to dump it off amid pressure. However, there will be times when staring them down could lead to the INTs and almost has. I can say that I am impressed to date with his ability. However, if the INTs came I don't see if fans would notice the positives that they do now...nor would I have used the word "impressed".
I believe that he has a better fit to the offense at this time then Dante as he can continue on with similar play calling that was here for the last four years with Hess. I think Dante is a good ball player, but for the team as a whole...it may have been for the best that the reigns are in the hands of a player with similar attributes as our prior QB. Moving to an entire different offense from the last four years could be catastrophic short to mid-term. Easy example...see what Rich Rod did to Michigan.
Hunter...keep in the study lounge, the film room and the weight room and you will see success here as a Guin.
Z
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A Stat that I find interesting is Wells leads the M.V.F.C. in passing efficiency over Carson Wentz of N.D.S.U. 169.7 to 149.4 that's one reason why he is 4-0 as the starter. The bottom line is he is a winner and finds a way to win. It was a rough go for the most part against South Dakota for Wells. I attribute some of that to the weather conditions and our wide-outs needed to create more separation from the defenders and some of it was solely on Wells. This is the type of game Wells needed to help him down the stretch. This offense is very young and will be VERY strong for years to come. It should be exciting for all penguins fans on the defensive side of the ball as well. There is know excuse for us not to challenge for a M.V.C.F. championship year in and year out !!!
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He has done a very nice job!
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Here is mine. If what we have seen so far from Wells indicates a bad arm, I will take it.
Wells' arm is so bad that sometimes he can't hang on to the ball--it flies downfield and fortunately there are some receivers smart enough to grab it and cover for his inadequacies.
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Pally's computer must be down again, lol.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Here is mine. If what we have seen so far from Wells indicates a bad arm, I will take it.
Wells' arm is so bad that sometimes he can't hang on to the ball--it flies downfield and fortunately there are some receivers smart enough to grab it and cover for his inadequacies.
Wells' passing stats would not count since they were wind-aided.