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So let us see what people think will be in store for YSU next season.
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Need a DC.
Whoever calls plays for the O, we need someone else.
Not sure if BB is the answer at qb.
Always can use more and better talent but that is the case for everyone.
More to come .........
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Most room for improvement is on d. Offense was really off the charts this year. Many are confident in BB. We will have to see if he is an accurate passer at college level. If so we should be fine. The online should be fine if we continue to build. Rb and wr room should be fine with enough talent.
On d, we will need a few good db's as we lose 2 and this year did not have depth. I would also like to be stronger and more consistent on defensive line. That will help the secondary. We have a lot to build off of and some playoff experience. Also this playoff run should help recruiting.
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SDSU and Villanova were the only FCS teams that we could not compete with in 2023. Both programs were saturated with 5th and 6th year seniors and will look substantially different in 2024.
That extra Covid year should be in play for one more season, so I am not sure about this. But I think that MVFC playoff teams SDSU, South Dakota, North Dakota, and SIU will need new quarterbacks. So will UNI. We will not be the only team with quarterback uncertainty.
Since Brungard was used entirely as a specialist, none of us really know if he can run the offense. His lack of height is a definite liability, but his threat as a runner somewhat compensates for that. In the worse case scenario he has tremendous value as a wildcat quarterback.
And now for the elephant in the room. What caused our bad defense: players or coaches? (or both?) For those of you who are old enough, when did a Jon Heacock defense ever have linebackers trapped in the middle while opponents reached the perimeter with ridiculous ease? When did receivers get so open that the defensive backs were not even in the television screen? Retaining or dumping the dc is the decision that will define Phillips' tenure as YSU coach.
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Obviously Defense and O-Line needs a boost but we all know the QB is the biggest and most important ? right now. Brungard doesnt seem to be the answer, at least IMO. What about the two other frosh on the team. Max Blanc and Schondelmyer? I thought these two were more prolific recruits than Beau.
Hopefully we can bring a guy in from the portal that gives us another option.
I think we will be ok at WR. Tomzack, Fordham and Farthing seem like a solid returning trio. Does Charleston have another year?
I think even if King cant return we may have some guys who will step up. I think Cephus Harris, Willie Edmunds and Kayden Davis were pretty decent recruits in their class who have some potential.
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DP said a year ago we needed to get bigger and stronger. We made a good first step but we're not there yet. sdsu and vill made that VERY clear. We have most of the OL back but they have a bunch of work to do in the off season. Pass rush is biggest concern for me.
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We just had 9 or so regulars transfer out are you crazy. Unless.we can replace them looks like another step back.. Defense needs a complete overhaul. Have we even fired the DC yet?
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YSU's next three YSU football season schedules are absolutely brutal! GO future college football schedule.com to see all future schedules for the next 7-8 years!
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Brutal Schedules. Pitt next year and Villanova on the road. 12 game schedule next year.
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We play Michigan St in 2025 and Kentucky the next year. Also Maryland in 2027.
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In my opinion, 2024 is going to be a rebuilding year. Too many question marks on defense with the influx of transfers out. Quarterback is another issue. Hopefully we get a late transfer with some experience. What’s on the depth chart now is very weak. Offensive line will be steady. Wide receivers OK. Tight end and running back our average. Defensive line we are starting over linebacker as well, and honestly even DB. Phillips Phillips touted when he was higher, he would build depth. Will be tested in 2024. Again I’m firing off a warning shot. The state of the NIL in and portal. Building any kind of.Depth and developing top talent will be suspect and tough and best. The players are performing have realized at this level that they can move up. so don’t expect miracles and like I said we will continually be the third or fourth best team in this conference which will not bring the casual fan back.
And until we find revenue or someway to pay coaches more and increase the revenue for NIL for athletes, nothing will change. I feel 2024 is pivotal for the program and for FCS football. we need to look to the future that keep going back to the past. Most of us are diehard and dinosaurs fans. College football has changed and we need to figure out what direction to go.. some of you keep waiting and predicting the MAC will drop with the re-organization of college football. I don’t see that the NCAA might change its tier but they’re not going to force schools to drop. FCS means nothing to the NCAA. so Strollo, or whoever needs to see where we need to be in the next 10 years. You don’t wanna hear this, but being in the SEC of FCS means.Nothing to most recruits fans or media. anyways, getting off track and talking to dead horse on here. The dinosaurs still believe we can compete and win a championship in this league not happening ever as long as Dakotas are in the league We are just a spot on the schedule and they could care less if we left.
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It also looks like South Dakota St will return 18 Seniors and the Bison have a lot returning as well. So if you all think we are moving up in the food chain not happening.
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Funny but we lament all the losses to the portal but looking and signings by YSU from the portal imo leaves us probably better not weeker. Remember, for most games last year our defense was weak. My goodness, I read people lamenting the loss of Jordan Trowers. Good grief most games I wasn't sure he could cover me! Also iver rooted for Wookie (intentional) and Johnson for years and will miss them but I thought they had used up all eligiblity at YSU. Does anybody know actual status?
I see a lot of kids I think will compete for PT. O'Berry, Marshall, Shannon, Bray, Hopkins. There are a bunch of kids with potential coming from the portal. I am looking for improvement in 2024 NOzt rebuilding. Yes we lost our 3 best players Oliver King and Davidson but we have the best roster at this point than we've had for decades.
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It will be another rebuilding year. The transfers in are not that good. Most of them were bench sitters including the one from Gannon I believe. Just saying. We will be hard stretched to win 5 games
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Wonder why they transfered out. Michigan st grabbed one of them. Was it the DC not good enough? Just saying....
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How times have changed! We are getting a Slippery Rock transfer. It used to be the other way around. Yeah, the transfer players bios lack any substance. Time will tell if they belong and if YSU belongs!
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Wonder why they transfered out. Michigan st grabbed one of them. Was it the DC not good enough? Just saying....
It might just be a business decision. The upside is that they will be in a better program with additional visibility (being signed by NFL) and $$ (NIL).
Obviously, the down side is that if they don’t get enough playing time (riding the bench).
Personally, I can’t fault them for going for it. Nothing personal, it’s just good business.
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Transfer and NIL have changed the landscape of college sports. As my dad used to say…sh** or get off the pot. Time to go hard in the portal. We have to reload. Heard from a good source that the defensive scheme this past year was way too complicated for the players we had. Paralysis through analysis. Showed in the Villanova game. Need to amplify the defense and get athletes and hard kids on D. I like the fact we are hitting the portal. Who knows how these kids will be?? We picked a D2 player from Lake Erie College that ended up being in the NFL. Maybe they just need the right connection with a program and position coach. I think a combination of player development and portal and we can be better than last year.
Go Guins!
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The 14 transfers that we added to the program are now listed with their bios on the university athletics site. 10 from FBS, 2 from FCS, and 2 from D2. Plenty of high school accolades for a few of these guys, including those "star ratings" that some get so excited about.
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The 14 transfers that we added to the program are now listed with their bios on the university athletics site. 10 from FBS, 2 from FCS, and 2 from D2. Plenty of high school accolades for a few of these guys, including those "star ratings" that some get so excited about.
A few with 3 stars rating and couple transfers from Pittsburgh and Penn State are exciting, at least on paper. I didn’t see any on the OL. Hopefully, We may get some of them in the February signing period.
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It will be another rebuilding year. The transfers in are not that good. Most of them were bench sitters including the one from Gannon I believe. Just saying. We will be hard stretched to win 5 games
Howard will be a noticeable loss. Probably our best D player Hooker will be missed too. But honestly the rest leaves playing time for potentially better players. We really needed a better pass rush last year and honestly I'm not sure where that will come frome but BAD will not be worse TE will be noticeably improved blocking with Bray. I think RB will be equal to improved. Secondary almost by default as bad as it was last year. You say transfers in not that good. I say transfers out not that good. Were probably half right
We'll see. I say 8 wins.
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6-6 record as of now.
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6-6 record as of now.
It will be hard to win 8 games without an experienced QB.
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5 wins
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For those that are predicting gloom and doom next season, please keep in mind that, with the exceptions of SDSU and NDSU, every other team in the league has issues and uncertainty. Like us, most teams will need to break in new quarterbacks. In the new world of college football, just because a team was good or bad in 2023 does not automatically mean that they will repeat that performance in 2024. Look at South Dakota as a classic example. They were terrible in 2022; a seeded playoff team in 2023.
My main concern for next season is not the talent level; it is the incompetence of our defensive coaches.
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6-6 at best next year. We will be 2-2 going into league play. Will be fortunate to win half of league games.
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Wick I agree for the most part. But after penguin power stated that the coaching staff or the head coach figured out that the defense was too complicated. It all season to figure that out at the same defense last year. So if that was the blame game, why did so many guys leave? I know some of it was due to transfer portal and NIL. Maybe we’ll get lucky next year but you’re right between the defense and now the questions on offense it’s hard to tell. Felt better if we got a QB with some game experience from the transfer portal. I know we got the kid from Ysu, but he hasn’t played quarterback or football for 3 years. So we we are going to camp with really no clear cut successor. Football today is about the QB and the QB needs to be mobile. Make us read quickly and get the ball quickly. We have him. if not, it’s gonna be a long year no matter how improved the defense will be.
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6-6 at best next year. We will be 2-2 going into league play. Will be fortunate to win half of league games.
Villanova was certainly better than us in 2023 but they lose a ton (something like 17 starters as i recall) could be 3-1 after 4.
Should beat MSU ISU ISU SIU That means one win out of ND SD UNI. We can get UNI in Youngstown. All we need is a little consistent D and Brungard or Shannon to step up. Remember, Davidson was a walkon from lowly Salem HS. Nobody even mentions Schondelmyer and he was something in HS and has better size than Beau. Every year at this time we all lament the losses but the cupboard is not bare. I remain Optimistic. I don't think we are read to compete for Frisco but I look forward to multi game playoff run.
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I am not pessimistic about the future of the team this coming season. I was just concerned about the D coach’s defensive scheme and the lack of experience in our QBs.
I don’t buy the excuses that our defensive scheme is too complex for the players. Typically, the coach has 2 choices. You either recruit the players who can play to your scheme or you devise the scheme which the players are capable of. For example, You cannot ask an average corner to cover the best receiver from the opposing team one on one for the entire game. You can either switch to a better corner (if you have one) or devise other scheme to help him. It is unrealistic to blame the player for not capable of playing to that scheme. Bottom line, recruit better players or change the scheme.
Now, the QB…
Couple years ago, most if not all of us on this board agreed that Crenshaw couldn’t throw the ball or read the defense. He could only run the ball or scramble ( not sure if he was capable of handing the ball off at the right time). The opponents pretty much loaded the box and our offense was going nowhere. Many of us were calling for the coach to develop MD because of his ability in passing the ball.
As it turned out, our coaches didn’t reach the decision to switch QB till the 4th or 5th game. We missed the playoff by 1 game. I still believe that if we start MD at the beginning of the season, we would have won at least one more game and made the playoff.
Here we are again this year. We had Brungard in the each game. Just like Crenshaw, we only let him run the ball ( we even let him return punt, as the backup QB, go figure), but we won’t let him pass. Therefore, we really don’t know his ability in passing the ball. When he was in there, the opponents once again loaded the box. So, we still don’t know how good he is.
I think he is probably better than Crenshaw……but is that good enough….who knows.
That was the reason why I suggested for the team to change the defensive scheme (to be compatible with our existing players) and to bring in a QB through the portal.
What do you guys think….
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About the Defense:
When some of our starters hit the portal, the question was would they land in D2 or actually advance to FBS? That was answered when most of them were grabbed by P5 programs. That fact is a stinging indictment of the defensive staff. They were operating with numerous players deemed worthy of P5 attention, and yet week by week they delivered embarrassing performances. How does Phillips retain these guys?
On the quarterback:
Of the four quarterbacks currently on the roster, three led their teams to appearances in an Ohio high school championship game. So did Crenshaw, but all three of our guys, including Brungard, could PASS in high school. Whether that translates to the college game, we shall see. They all lack game experience, but Brungard and Blanc have been in the program for two years and are quite familiar with the offense. That matters a lot. I expect that the winner of the quarterback competition will do just fine.
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Wick, those were good points that you made.
It might also be possible that the problems in our defense were not with those guys who transferred out the P5 programs. The problems could be with rest of guys (either not capable of playing in that defensive scheme or with the scheme itself).
I still recall several years ago, the starting safety (who was also one of the team captains) was a student in my class. In the previous game, one of the receivers was completely uncovered and he tried to chase him down before the guy scoring a TD.
I joked with him before class (how the hell could you let that happened?). He said that wasn’t even his guy to cover. Someone else was missing an assignment in that defensive scheme.
He looked bad in the play, but it wasn’t his fault….. it was the scheme and the other guy…