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Title: South Dakota State
Post by: peteonastick on November 17, 2013, 02:51:04 PM
Lets get ready...thoughts on this huge game?  Like I said in a previous post.  We need to stop the run against this team which means being able to lock up man on the corners and TE and send the house.  If we go down we go down aggressive.  Get Hess healthy or shoot him up...he needs to be able to play and we need to protect him.  Get the running game going and keep Zenner off the field with ball control and long drives.  Now is the time to go to the back pages of the playbook...

GO GUINS
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: Spiderlegs on November 17, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
I don't see YSU winning next week. SDSU is rising, and YSU is declining. After the NDSU game, YSU comments emphasized things like we played well under the circumstances and we lost a game we should have won. Poppycock. The defensive tackling was horrible, and Nania was not prepared to replace Hess even though Hess had a lingering injury. This denial of a problem was the kind of language we heard in last October's meltdown--the team had to lose four games before it realized that it was in serious trouble. Given the frame of mind, I don't see YSU winning the upcoming game, and destiny will be placed in the hands of the selection committee. Hope I'm wrong--hope this team pulls it together for one more game--YSU shows off a lot of talent displayed when it remains disciplined.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 17, 2013, 03:46:36 PM
I don't see YSU winning next week. SDSU is rising, and YSU is declining. After the NDSU game, YSU comments emphasized things like we played well under the circumstances and we lost a game we should have won. Poppycock. The defensive tackling was horrible, and Nania was not prepared to replace Hess even though Hess had a lingering injury. This denial of a problem was the kind of language we heard in last October's meltdown--the team had to lose four games before it realized that it was in serious trouble. Given the frame of mind, I don't see YSU winning the upcoming game, and destiny will be placed in the hands of the selection committee. Hope I'm wrong--hope this team pulls it together for one more game--YSU shows off a lot of talent displayed when it remains disciplined.

I felt that nania was well prepared, he is just not as comfortable and he runs when he gets pressure. There were no bad hand off or anything.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysufan0505 on November 17, 2013, 03:50:46 PM
Hess has to play. It's sad but our offense relies on Kurt. Your gonna see a big dose of running in this game. Get ready Martin!
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 17, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
Hess has to play. It's sad but our offense relies on Kurt. Your gonna see a big dose of running in this game. Get ready Martin!

Ruiz is a stud.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: letsgoguins on November 17, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
Establish our run game early, then setup the pass. Protect Hess like there is no tomorrow.

Strive to keep their rushing attack at bay.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 17, 2013, 06:50:18 PM
Run the ball and throw to the TE's. That is what we need to do. ALL DAY LONG.

On defense We need to wacth for them to release their TE's because our lLB's will probably try to stop the run and the TE's can slip behind them. We need to do a better job here next week. Ndsu exploited this.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ValleyTalk on November 17, 2013, 10:18:15 PM
Most important game of the Eric Wolford era. Win and take another step forward in terms of where our program is. Making the playoffs also is a huge plus in terms of recruiting and extra publicity come playoff time. A loss, which could mean no playoffs, would be awful in terms of trying to get area fans to buy into this team and Wolford.

I am a fan of YSU and of Wolford and I want him to succeed. If Hess plays, I feel he will play one of his best games at YSU. He knows what is at stake and he wants to leave his mark on YSU with a playoff run.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysufan0505 on November 17, 2013, 10:29:33 PM
O Line better play a lot better. Been a problem all year. Hess running for his life most of the time....
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 18, 2013, 08:56:51 AM
Most important game of the Eric Wolford era. Win and take another step forward in terms of where our program is. Making the playoffs also is a huge plus in terms of recruiting and extra publicity come playoff time. A loss, which could mean no playoffs, would be awful in terms of trying to get area fans to buy into this team and Wolford.

I am a fan of YSU and of Wolford and I want him to succeed. If Hess plays, I feel he will play one of his best games at YSU. He knows what is at stake and he wants to leave his mark on YSU with a playoff run.

I like Wolford's swagger.  I also think that he deserves an extension becuaswe of the recruiting upgrade.  I also think that he is not afraid to make changes with his coaching staff.  He needs to make some significant upgrades with the secondary coach and the DL coach and the LB coach and maybe also Tresey.  As I stated before, we need a disruptive defense.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: SoupCity on November 18, 2013, 09:27:57 AM
Most important game of the Eric Wolford era. Win and take another step forward in terms of where our program is. Making the playoffs also is a huge plus in terms of recruiting and extra publicity come playoff time. A loss, which could mean no playoffs, would be awful in terms of trying to get area fans to buy into this team and Wolford.

I am a fan of YSU and of Wolford and I want him to succeed. If Hess plays, I feel he will play one of his best games at YSU. He knows what is at stake and he wants to leave his mark on YSU with a playoff run.

I like Wolford's swagger.  I also think that he deserves an extension becuaswe of the recruiting upgrade.  I also think that he is not afraid to make changes with his coaching staff.  He needs to make some significant upgrades with the secondary coach and the DL coach and the LB coach and maybe also Tresey.  As I stated before, we need a disruptive defense.

I'm still not sold on him and I don't know if I ever will be.  Once again, he wasted timeouts like there is an unlimited supply each half.  This coaching staff makes very few/if any adjustments at the half or during the game and that's on both sides of the ball. 

And Saturday took the cake, and let me preface this comment with an "I understand him getting very angry because of the situation," but damn, you can't hold your kids to one level of discipline and then go out and get a 15yd penalty yourself. 

As for recruiting, yeah, he's bringing in alot of kids.  Talent-wise, is it really any better??  Sure, ok.  Is it coaching or the lack thereof??  Definitely.  I've read some folks talk about the defense not having the proper personnel for his style.  I say, BS...you're a college coach, adjust your style to the personnel you have.  And maybe that's what Tresey is doing....which brings me back to question #1, are we THAT talented??  Our defense is very soft and everything they do is soft.  That portion of it absolutely drives me nut when watching this team play. 
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: stuperman17 on November 18, 2013, 10:50:45 AM
I agree with Soup. 

I personally believe that yes, we are more talented than before.. However, the coaching is awful.  Its been this way from the beginning of the Wolford era.. He brought good talent in rather quickly, but my goodness has the coaching level gone down. 

And I completely agree that the defense is soft.  I don't know if its the players or the coaches, but there's no other way to say it; they're soft.  Teams like UNI, NDSU, and SDSU are hard nosed, hit you in the mouth programs; and we'll continue to struggle against them if they continue play soft.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 18, 2013, 11:12:28 AM
Paladin pointed out several yers ago that the recruiting at the program put us back many years.  Heacock was able to win with his recruits when they were in thier senior years, but we were completely mismatched most of the time.  Wolford continues to upgrade the talent, but he made a rookie mistake hiring Kravits and he lost 2 yers of recruiting and two yers of player development.  What I don't like about Tresey is the scheme, but as some of you pointed out, maybe it is becuase we don't have the personnel.

Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: SoupCity on November 18, 2013, 11:15:36 AM
I agree with Soup. 

I personally believe that yes, we are more talented than before.. However, the coaching is awful.  Its been this way from the beginning of the Wolford era.. He brought good talent in rather quickly, but my goodness has the coaching level gone down. 

And I completely agree that the defense is soft.  I don't know if its the players or the coaches, but there's no other way to say it; they're soft.  Teams like UNI, NDSU, and SDSU are hard nosed, hit you in the mouth programs; and we'll continue to struggle against them if they continue play soft.

I remember a play on Saturday.  We had the ball going toward Beeghly Ctr (on our sideline) and it was like a screen pass....Nania was QBing at the time and the pass was to Webb, I believe.  Anyway, one of NDSUs folks (CB or LB????) ABSOLUTELY destroyed that play going thru 2 blockers and making the tackle.  My first thought was...HOLY CRAP we don't have a single defensive player who could do that.  And their speed on defense....they were light years faster than ours.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: stuperman17 on November 18, 2013, 12:22:13 PM
The last player I could think of with that kind of tenacity was Sirdemarco Bledsoe.  And I recall being in awe at how intense he was on the field, YSU doesn't have anyone like that!
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: paladin on November 18, 2013, 01:47:01 PM
Season isn't over yet, but heres my take --

the talent level here has improved dramatically, especially in the skill positions on O --WRs, RBs, TEs and ONE QB. The OL is short some players. On D, we have lots of average or better LBs and a couple of DBs but we are woeful on the DL and a couple of DB positions. And, with the talent, the team is improved over the mess that was here under the last coach. Trouble is, the MVFC is one tough mother with several very good teams and lots of parity. I had YSU ranked for two years in a row with the #1 recruiting classes in the MVFC. They are still here. If YSU had better DL, we wouldn't be having this conversation because we would be a Top 10 team and extremely dominant, yes even living with the average LBs and lacking a complete good secondary. Next year is a problem with no really good QB coming back.  But presently, I still believe YSU is in the playoffs with 8 wins. I expect a win Saturdady for a 9-3 season. Might win one or two playoff games, but don't see a deep run. And I know that's what everyone wants. Wolf was handed a broken program, ruined by poor recruiting by the previous coach. Each year we keep getting better while still managing   to lose one game that keeps YSU out of the playoffs. But its coming. If the recruitment improves on the D side as it has for the O, YSU is not far away from returning to the top of the heap. Like it or not, the strong suit for Wolf is recruiting. The dude flat out is bringing in much better players. Once the "cupboard" is stocked , and we aren't far out....... Katie bar the door. QB & DL is the real concern for next years recruiting .     The coaching here isn't bad and has been improved over what he started with. Upgrade some personnel and everyone will be smiling.

YSU handles SDS. Hess throws for 200 and Ruiz runs for over 100. The D does just enough for the O to win it.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysufan0505 on November 18, 2013, 02:10:58 PM
Your definitely going to see a heavy dose of Ruiz this Saturday. Regardless of if Hess plays or not.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 18, 2013, 02:33:07 PM
Ruiz has a chance to be special.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: IAA Fan on November 18, 2013, 03:22:41 PM
I do not see the improved talent-level at all. Certainly a "changed" talent level. We sacrificed at every position in order to make up what we wanted, the result was we did not get what we needed to compete in our conference.

Examples. We went for height in our lines, because we are not going to be able to get quality Big & Tall at our level. Wolf's predecessor would get a quality big and tall athlete and work extensively with him to make him a DLineman. Wolf does the same in his skill positions, but I do not see the coaching craftsmanship molding these guys in the stable positions. We are all speed in our RB's ...no sense of power outside of when Carson has the ball. Then he does not have years of experience reading gaps which is so pivotal to a FB. Look at Wolf chewing on Whery after the overthrow and INT by Garry. Now I did not hear it. Yes the WR should have turned his head once & knocked that corner into the cheap-seats. It is easy to say that, but difficult to do ...I am not convinced these things are taught.

Lets drop back to the UNI game ...our DLinemen were hitting so hard and low, that they had their heads down and missed the play because they had no idea where the ball was. However, it was the only way they could get any penetration. Again where is the strength to get off your block?

I still do not believe that we recruit (at least on defense) for this conference. This is why we all watch NDSU (a 100% YSU of old clone) and feel so bad. Again I decided to give Wolf a chance and even if we do have this change in style, I will accept it. However, we are not winning, so why accept it?

YSU local recruits are from 2 counties ...NDSU's locals include 2 states. You can argue that population is smaller all you want, but you are not going to see OSU or Michigan scouring the Dakotas. The Mahoning Valley is going to see recruiters from all big-6 conferences ...and down.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: SoupCity on November 18, 2013, 03:54:01 PM
I do not see the improved talent-level at all. Certainly a "changed" talent level. We sacrificed at every position in order to make up what we wanted, the result was we did not get what we needed to compete in our conference.

Examples. We went for height in our lines, because we are not going to be able to get quality Big & Tall at our level. Wolf's predecessor would get a quality big and tall athlete and work extensively with him to make him a DLineman. Wolf does the same in his skill positions, but I do not see the coaching craftsmanship molding these guys in the stable positions. We are all speed in our RB's ...no sense of power outside of when Carson has the ball. Then he does not have years of experience reading gaps which is so pivotal to a FB. Look at Wolf chewing on Whery after the overthrow and INT by Garry. Now I did not hear it. Yes the WR should have turned his head once & knocked that corner into the cheap-seats. It is easy to say that, but difficult to do ...I am not convinced these things are taught.

Lets drop back to the UNI game ...our DLinemen were hitting so hard and low, that they had their heads down and missed the play because they had no idea where the ball was. However, it was the only way they could get any penetration. Again where is the strength to get off your block?

I still do not believe that we recruit (at least on defense) for this conference. This is why we all watch NDSU (a 100% YSU of old clone) and feel so bad. Again I decided to give Wolf a chance and even if we do have this change in style, I will accept it. However, we are not winning, so why accept it?

YSU local recruits are from 2 counties ...NDSU's locals include 2 states. You can argue that population is smaller all you want, but you are not going to see OSU or Michigan scouring the Dakotas. The Mahoning Valley is going to see recruiters from all big-6 conferences ...and down.

You've said everything I ever wanted to, but chickened out due to the possible backlash.  But I couldn't agree any less 1AA.  That's probably the best overall outlook of this football in 4 years. 
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 18, 2013, 04:18:32 PM
I do not see the improved talent-level at all. Certainly a "changed" talent level. We sacrificed at every position in order to make up what we wanted, the result was we did not get what we needed to compete in our conference.

Examples. We went for height in our lines, because we are not going to be able to get quality Big & Tall at our level. Wolf's predecessor would get a quality big and tall athlete and work extensively with him to make him a DLineman. Wolf does the same in his skill positions, but I do not see the coaching craftsmanship molding these guys in the stable positions. We are all speed in our RB's ...no sense of power outside of when Carson has the ball. Then he does not have years of experience reading gaps which is so pivotal to a FB. Look at Wolf chewing on Whery after the overthrow and INT by Garry. Now I did not hear it. Yes the WR should have turned his head once & knocked that corner into the cheap-seats. It is easy to say that, but difficult to do ...I am not convinced these things are taught.

Lets drop back to the UNI game ...our DLinemen were hitting so hard and low, that they had their heads down and missed the play because they had no idea where the ball was. However, it was the only way they could get any penetration. Again where is the strength to get off your block?

I still do not believe that we recruit (at least on defense) for this conference. This is why we all watch NDSU (a 100% YSU of old clone) and feel so bad. Again I decided to give Wolf a chance and even if we do have this change in style, I will accept it. However, we are not winning, so why accept it?

YSU local recruits are from 2 counties ...NDSU's locals include 2 states. You can argue that population is smaller all you want, but you are not going to see OSU or Michigan scouring the Dakotas. The Mahoning Valley is going to see recruiters from all big-6 conferences ...and down.

You've said everything I ever wanted to, but chickened out due to the possible backlash.  But I couldn't agree any less 1AA.  That's probably the best overall outlook of this football in 4 years.

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Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: SoupCity on November 18, 2013, 04:24:17 PM
Damn, I must be drunk.  I agree with everything he said. 
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ValleyTalk on November 18, 2013, 06:07:08 PM
I do not see the improved talent-level at all. Certainly a "changed" talent level. We sacrificed at every position in order to make up what we wanted, the result was we did not get what we needed to compete in our conference.

Examples. We went for height in our lines, because we are not going to be able to get quality Big & Tall at our level. Wolf's predecessor would get a quality big and tall athlete and work extensively with him to make him a DLineman. Wolf does the same in his skill positions, but I do not see the coaching craftsmanship molding these guys in the stable positions. We are all speed in our RB's ...no sense of power outside of when Carson has the ball. Then he does not have years of experience reading gaps which is so pivotal to a FB. Look at Wolf chewing on Whery after the overthrow and INT by Garry. Now I did not hear it. Yes the WR should have turned his head once & knocked that corner into the cheap-seats. It is easy to say that, but difficult to do ...I am not convinced these things are taught.

Lets drop back to the UNI game ...our DLinemen were hitting so hard and low, that they had their heads down and missed the play because they had no idea where the ball was. However, it was the only way they could get any penetration. Again where is the strength to get off your block?

I still do not believe that we recruit (at least on defense) for this conference. This is why we all watch NDSU (a 100% YSU of old clone) and feel so bad. Again I decided to give Wolf a chance and even if we do have this change in style, I will accept it. However, we are not winning, so why accept it?

YSU local recruits are from 2 counties ...NDSU's locals include 2 states. You can argue that population is smaller all you want, but you are not going to see OSU or Michigan scouring the Dakotas. The Mahoning Valley is going to see recruiters from all big-6 conferences ...and down.
Heacock's best years were when he first started using Tressel's recruits and when he took numerous I-A recruits for his 2005-2007 run...

If you only knew how he handled recruiting IAAFan... I played with some individuals recruited by him. They were not impressed with how he handled recruiting. I can say unequivocally the recruiting situation is NIGHT AND DAY better now than it was under him.

You can continue to defend Heacock, but he could not cut it as a head coach. He was a great defensive coordinator, but some folks cannot cut it as a head coach. Jon Heacock was one of them. He is a decent guy that did his best, but he could not recruit and he followed in the footsteps of a legend.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: rayI09 on November 18, 2013, 06:22:58 PM
I painfully remember how hard it was too watch a penguin football game when Heacock was the coach.  No offense whatsoever. I would rather endure Chinese water torture than watch a Heacock coached team.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 18, 2013, 07:28:57 PM
I do not see the improved talent-level at all. Certainly a "changed" talent level. We sacrificed at every position in order to make up what we wanted, the result was we did not get what we needed to compete in our conference.

Examples. We went for height in our lines, because we are not going to be able to get quality Big & Tall at our level. Wolf's predecessor would get a quality big and tall athlete and work extensively with him to make him a DLineman. Wolf does the same in his skill positions, but I do not see the coaching craftsmanship molding these guys in the stable positions. We are all speed in our RB's ...no sense of power outside of when Carson has the ball. Then he does not have years of experience reading gaps which is so pivotal to a FB. Look at Wolf chewing on Whery after the overthrow and INT by Garry. Now I did not hear it. Yes the WR should have turned his head once & knocked that corner into the cheap-seats. It is easy to say that, but difficult to do ...I am not convinced these things are taught.

Lets drop back to the UNI game ...our DLinemen were hitting so hard and low, that they had their heads down and missed the play because they had no idea where the ball was. However, it was the only way they could get any penetration. Again where is the strength to get off your block?

I still do not believe that we recruit (at least on defense) for this conference. This is why we all watch NDSU (a 100% YSU of old clone) and feel so bad. Again I decided to give Wolf a chance and even if we do have this change in style, I will accept it. However, we are not winning, so why accept it?

YSU local recruits are from 2 counties ...NDSU's locals include 2 states. You can argue that population is smaller all you want, but you are not going to see OSU or Michigan scouring the Dakotas. The Mahoning Valley is going to see recruiters from all big-6 conferences ...and down.
Heacock's best years were when he first started using Tressel's recruits and when he took numerous I-A recruits for his 2005-2007 run...

If you only knew how he handled recruiting IAAFan... I played with some individuals recruited by him. They were not impressed with how he handled recruiting. I can say unequivocally the recruiting situation is NIGHT AND DAY better now than it was under him.

You can continue to defend Heacock, but he could not cut it as a head coach. He was a great defensive coordinator, but some folks cannot cut it as a head coach. Jon Heacock was one of them. He is a decent guy that did his best, but he could not recruit and he followed in the footsteps of a legend.

I thinl you are spot on with your anaylsis. Also it was more that he dreaded recruiting. It did not suit him. But his defenses were fan tastic for what he had to work with. If he has our players he still does better that what we are doing now.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysufan0505 on November 18, 2013, 08:25:43 PM
I painfully remember how hard it was too watch a penguin football game when Heacock was the coach.  No offense whatsoever. I would rather endure Chinese water torture than watch a Heacock coached team.

AMEN lol
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysubigred on November 18, 2013, 08:51:57 PM
I do not see the improved talent-level at all. Certainly a "changed" talent level. We sacrificed at every position in order to make up what we wanted, the result was we did not get what we needed to compete in our conference.

Examples. We went for height in our lines, because we are not going to be able to get quality Big & Tall at our level. Wolf's predecessor would get a quality big and tall athlete and work extensively with him to make him a DLineman. Wolf does the same in his skill positions, but I do not see the coaching craftsmanship molding these guys in the stable positions. We are all speed in our RB's ...no sense of power outside of when Carson has the ball. Then he does not have years of experience reading gaps which is so pivotal to a FB. Look at Wolf chewing on Whery after the overthrow and INT by Garry. Now I did not hear it. Yes the WR should have turned his head once & knocked that corner into the cheap-seats. It is easy to say that, but difficult to do ...I am not convinced these things are taught.

Lets drop back to the UNI game ...our DLinemen were hitting so hard and low, that they had their heads down and missed the play because they had no idea where the ball was. However, it was the only way they could get any penetration. Again where is the strength to get off your block?

I still do not believe that we recruit (at least on defense) for this conference. This is why we all watch NDSU (a 100% YSU of old clone) and feel so bad. Again I decided to give Wolf a chance and even if we do have this change in style, I will accept it. However, we are not winning, so why accept it?

YSU local recruits are from 2 counties ...NDSU's locals include 2 states. You can argue that population is smaller all you want, but you are not going to see OSU or Michigan scouring the Dakotas. The Mahoning Valley is going to see recruiters from all big-6 conferences ...and down.
Heacock's best years were when he first started using Tressel's recruits and when he took numerous I-A recruits for his 2005-2007 run...

If you only knew how he handled recruiting IAAFan... I played with some individuals recruited by him. They were not impressed with how he handled recruiting. I can say unequivocally the recruiting situation is NIGHT AND DAY better now than it was under him.

You can continue to defend Heacock, but he could not cut it as a head coach. He was a great defensive coordinator, but some folks cannot cut it as a head coach. Jon Heacock was one of them. He is a decent guy that did his best, but he could not recruit and he followed in the footsteps of a legend.

In Heacock's defense "IF" he had the funds the Ad is pumping into the FB program plus /assistants the new facilities I think YSU would be in better shape right now. I don't like Wolford something is WRONG with him and I just can't put my finger on it. Is # 25 hurt? damn shame this kid gave 4 years and you don't even see him.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 18, 2013, 08:56:54 PM
Ruiz is clearly the best back. I say play the best player. This kid is going to be special.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: guinpen on November 18, 2013, 09:05:43 PM
I do not see the improved talent-level at all. Certainly a "changed" talent level. We sacrificed at every position in order to make up what we wanted, the result was we did not get what we needed to compete in our conference.

Examples. We went for height in our lines, because we are not going to be able to get quality Big & Tall at our level. Wolf's predecessor would get a quality big and tall athlete and work extensively with him to make him a DLineman. Wolf does the same in his skill positions, but I do not see the coaching craftsmanship molding these guys in the stable positions. We are all speed in our RB's ...no sense of power outside of when Carson has the ball. Then he does not have years of experience reading gaps which is so pivotal to a FB. Look at Wolf chewing on Whery after the overthrow and INT by Garry. Now I did not hear it. Yes the WR should have turned his head once & knocked that corner into the cheap-seats. It is easy to say that, but difficult to do ...I am not convinced these things are taught.

Lets drop back to the UNI game ...our DLinemen were hitting so hard and low, that they had their heads down and missed the play because they had no idea where the ball was. However, it was the only way they could get any penetration. Again where is the strength to get off your block?

I still do not believe that we recruit (at least on defense) for this conference. This is why we all watch NDSU (a 100% YSU of old clone) and feel so bad. Again I decided to give Wolf a chance and even if we do have this change in style, I will accept it. However, we are not winning, so why accept it?

YSU local recruits are from 2 counties ...NDSU's locals include 2 states. You can argue that population is smaller all you want, but you are not going to see OSU or Michigan scouring the Dakotas. The Mahoning Valley is going to see recruiters from all big-6 conferences ...and down.
Heacock's best years were when he first started using Tressel's recruits and when he took numerous I-A recruits for his 2005-2007 run...

If you only knew how he handled recruiting IAAFan... I played with some individuals recruited by him. They were not impressed with how he handled recruiting. I can say unequivocally the recruiting situation is NIGHT AND DAY better now than it was under him.

You can continue to defend Heacock, but he could not cut it as a head coach. He was a great defensive coordinator, but some folks cannot cut it as a head coach. Jon Heacock was one of them. He is a decent guy that did his best, but he could not recruit and he followed in the footsteps of a legend.

In Heacock's defense "IF" he had the funds the Ad is pumping into the FB program plus /assistants the new facilities I think YSU would be in better shape right now. I don't like Wolford something is WRONG with him and I just can't put my finger on it. Is # 25 hurt? damn shame this kid gave 4 years and you don't even see him.

Not so sure Heacock would have done any better with more money, I think he is a great guy and wanted it more than anyone could imagine but something just did not click with him, no confidence showed. Not saying Wolford is burning up the place either, he is more of a car salesman that could use a little more self-control and organization.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysubigred on November 18, 2013, 09:06:18 PM
Ruiz is clearly the best back. I say play the best player. This kid is going to be special.

Not saying #25 is better than #29.. I'm saying there has to be a role for #25 he is one hell of a blocking back on passes.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: paladin on November 18, 2013, 09:18:20 PM
Red, you must be drinking. #25 doesn't play much for good reasons. Good kid, but has little to offer in this O. Blocking for passing ?  ;D  ................. when you see an open backfield, it tells you all you need to know. Todays O concepts have passed many of you by. As much as you dream of having the O  of the 90's back, that's  a dead issue over & done with. Football has passed it by with today's wide open days.

Of course, we could always go back to Klacik's unbalanced line and run off tackle  while everyone jams the box.

 8)
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysubigred on November 18, 2013, 09:24:21 PM
Red, you must be drinking. #25 doesn't play much for good reasons. Good kid, but has little to offer in this O. Blocking for passing ?  ;D  ................. when you see an open backfield, it tells you all you need to know. Todays O concepts have passed many of you by. As much as you dream of having the O  of the 90's back, that's  a dead issue over & done with. Football has passed it by with today's wide open days.Of course, we could always go back to Klacik's unbalanced line and run off tackle  while everyone jams the box.

 8)

Seems to work well for NDSU just saying.. DRINKING is gooooddd!!
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: paladin on November 18, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
What are you drinking, Red. Both NDS RB were burners and not oversized. #25 is a slow powerback. Absolutely no comparasion .

Ojuri is 6', 212. Crocket is 6', 202. Fast & elusive

#25 is 5'11, 225, slow and plodding
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: lakesbison on November 19, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
Shut down zenner. You win easily.  I really don't see the bunny turds beating you guys.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: SoupCity on November 19, 2013, 09:21:49 AM
If I remember correctly, we pretty much shut him down last year.  Got lit up by the pass (as usual).  Plus, he's banged up a bit right now from what I understand???  I'm hoping the run D against NDSU was just cuz we were manhandled by their line.  Hopefully this isn't a new trend.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysuguins4 on November 19, 2013, 09:35:31 AM
Minett ran all over the Guins in 2010, so the past two years they were geared up to stop Zenner, and Sumner torched them.  He went for 4 Tds and 345 yards in 2011 and 5 Tds and 351 last year.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: HLecter on November 19, 2013, 10:28:19 AM
I am disappointed hugely in our LB play, and the DL,,,,DBs are OK with one possible exception that I will not name.

Gotta get some pressure on the QB,,,,,DBs can't guard for 5 seconds............I am hoping that NDSUs OL was just SO good that our DL and LBs had no chance of stopping their run game.

I understand the whole deal about a fast defense, to combat the up-tempo and spread out offenses of today, but I still think there is a place for a LB with the skill set of a Tim Johnson, Jon Tekac, Justin Dellarose and more.  Have we had a physical LB here since WOlf came?  I can't recall one.

Build  the damn defense FIRST during recruiting.  Michigan State to name one, always does, the will seldom get dominated, seldom blown out.  year after year after year.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysufan0505 on November 19, 2013, 02:07:28 PM
Wolford said Hess is "good to go" for this week. Were gonna need him!
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: SoupCity on November 19, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
Has anyone heard the real deal with Hess?  Based on the way he was moving on Saturday, I find it hard to believe that he is "good to go" for this Saturday.  I thought I read somewhere he has some ligament damage.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: Wick250 on November 19, 2013, 03:03:28 PM
Soup,

I don't have any reliable information about Hess but read the same thing about ligament damage.  I guess it comes down to this: does he risk further and perhaps permanent damage by playing with that injury?  If so, we must cope with the third string quarterback.  However, if the injury causes pain and discomfort but poses no further health risk, Hess will undoubtedly play. 
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysuguins4 on November 19, 2013, 04:02:14 PM
Has anyone heard the real deal with Hess?  Based on the way he was moving on Saturday, I find it hard to believe that he is "good to go" for this Saturday.  I thought I read somewhere he has some ligament damage.

Judging from how he was moving at the start, I don't understand why they risked further injury and played him at all.  Makes me wonder if they just wanted to keep his consectutive game streak alive.  I sure hope it didn't get any worse by playing.  They need to send him over to Coach Hartzell.  He'll put some bands on it, and fix it up in no time.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysufan0505 on November 19, 2013, 04:16:43 PM
Has anyone heard the real deal with Hess?  Based on the way he was moving on Saturday, I find it hard to believe that he is "good to go" for this Saturday.  I thought I read somewhere he has some ligament damage.

Heard high ankle sprain with a little bit of ligament damage.... Hess will play Saturday. Senior night, win and in for playoffs.... No way Kurt will miss this game....... Dante Nania has a separated shoulder so Tanner Gary is the backup and Nick Wargo is 3rd string... Christian Bryan will hold on FG's and Extra Points. Wolf also said Julius Childs is questionable for the game Saturday.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: SoupCity on November 19, 2013, 08:53:37 PM
Has anyone heard the real deal with Hess?  Based on the way he was moving on Saturday, I find it hard to believe that he is "good to go" for this Saturday.  I thought I read somewhere he has some ligament damage.

Judging from how he was moving at the start, I don't understand why they risked further injury and played him at all.  Makes me wonder if they just wanted to keep his consectutive game streak alive.  I sure hope it didn't get any worse by playing.  They need to send him over to Coach Hartzell.  He'll put some bands on it, and fix it up in no time.

Yeah, I was a little pissed when he went back in after Nania got hurt.  If there isn't some significant improvement, I don't know why he would play this weekend.  He just didn't look comfortable while he was in. 

Thanks for the info guys.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysuguins4 on November 22, 2013, 05:36:00 PM
The Guins are the better team and should win this game.

YSU 28 - 21
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ValleyTalk on November 22, 2013, 05:39:02 PM
The Guins are the better team and should win this game.

YSU 28 - 21
Senior leadership of Hess and Elkins gets us the W. Still no line in Vegas that I can find, yet every other FCS game has one. Wonder what is up with that.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: Pita on November 22, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
IP

What's the spot and for who?   Thanks
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ItalianPenguin on November 22, 2013, 07:25:50 PM
Haven't seen a number--probably because of Hess' injury
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 22, 2013, 08:20:38 PM
Of course TSN has picked against us and has claimed that SDSU and YSU are playing to stay alive in the playoff hunt. The writers are morons and they are not objective.
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ValleyTalk on November 23, 2013, 08:26:01 AM
Gameday! My future radar shows snow beginning in Northeast Ohio around 1:30pm!
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysufan0505 on November 23, 2013, 11:13:32 AM
Playoff bound Penguins 28, Jackrabbits 20
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: penguinpower on November 23, 2013, 11:37:21 AM
Wind will be a factor. Low scoring game?
Title: Re: South Dakota State
Post by: ysubigred on November 23, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
Wind will be a factor. Low scoring game?

For a poorly coached/bad offensive team  :o