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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: robmat2571 on December 14, 2013, 03:02:40 PM
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Just watched NDSU totally and utterly destroy Coastal Carolina today on ESPN. They have had a lot of National "face time" this year:). That used to be us:( :(
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To be honest, YSU was never as dominate as NDSU or APP St. Those two programs are a notch above what we ever where.
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NDSU is awesome! They totally controlled the game with Coastal Carolina who beat Montana last week. NDSU ran through, around and over them. Then passed when the runners needed a rest. Bohl's play calling was great and the team executed the plays well.
Brock Jensen had plenty of time to see his open receivers and connected. I don't believe the other FCS teams are at their level; they should win their 3rd straight championship.
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NDSU is awesome! They totally controlled the game with Coastal Carolina who beat Montana last week. NDSU ran through, around and over them. Then passed when the runners needed a rest. Bohl's play calling was great and the team executed the plays well.
Brock Jensen had plenty of time to see his open receivers and connected. I don't believe the other FCS teams are at their level; they should win their 3rd straight championship.
Great playcalling. YES. Reminded me of USC back in the day when Pete Carroll had the Trojans rolling. Strong inside run game. Well timed outside runs, and the best play in football, the "naked" bootleg for run or pass that really slows down a defense when they start cheating.
The game at it's simplest and finest.
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I respectfully disagree that YSU was not every bit as dominant as NDSU or App State during the span from the8th game of the 1991 season, through the Championship Game in 1994.
4 straight 1AA Championship Games
3 NC's in 4 years
Lone loss was by 3 points, to Marshall, in what was essentially a home game for Marshall
93 Title, YSU beat Marshall, at Marshall
Record during this stretch: 46-5-2
Nov/Dec record: 26-1-1
Playoff record over this span, 15-1, with the lone loss being 31-28 in the 92 Title game against Marshall.
93 and 94 teams were especially dominate in the playoffs. Every game was won by 10 or more points. YSU beat Marshall 17 - 5 in NC game at Marshall.... YSU scored on each of their first 3 possessions. Game was never really in doubt after that. None of these games were ever in doubt.
In 94, the only playoff game that was in doubt, was the rematch with EKU. The other 3 were won by 14 or more points, and YSU could have scored more on both Boise and Alcorn, had Tress wanted to run up the score.
Something else to remember, is that Tressel's style of coaching did not lend itself to a "wow" factor, especially in the regular season. The regular season was used to get the team ready for the playoffs. Not that Tress wanted to lose any games, but he knew 1 or 2 losses would not keep YSU out of the playoffs.
I was at all but 2 home games, and at several road games. Watched other road games on TV. YSU was dominate, and so was Marshall. YSU though was a just bit more dominant than Marshall in the playoffs during that stretch.
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NDSU is very good but consider that they have yet to play a road game in their playoff run. They are very similar in that regard to Marshall, who played only one road game during the 90s (and lost that to Boise State the week before the 1994 championship.) As the data provided by Let's Talk proves, our stats over a four year period were superior. Consider also that, during the 90s, we defeated two #1 ranked teams on the road in the playoffs, Nevada in 1991 and Villanova in 1997. And in two of the four national championship victories, our opponents never crossed our goal line (Marshall in 1993 and McNeese State in 1997.)
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I respectfully disagree that YSU was not every bit as dominant as NDSU or App State during the span from the8th game of the 1991 season, through the Championship Game in 1994.
4 straight 1AA Championship Games
3 NC's in 4 years
Lone loss was by 3 points, to Marshall, in what was essentially a home game for Marshall
93 Title, YSU beat Marshall, at Marshall
Record during this stretch: 46-5-2
Nov/Dec record: 26-1-1
Playoff record over this span, 15-1, with the lone loss being 31-28 in the 92 Title game against Marshall.
93 and 94 teams were especially dominate in the playoffs. Every game was won by 10 or more points. YSU beat Marshall 17 - 5 in NC game at Marshall.... YSU scored on each of their first 3 possessions. Game was never really in doubt after that. None of these games were ever in doubt.
In 94, the only playoff game that was in doubt, was the rematch with EKU. The other 3 were won by 14 or more points, and YSU could have scored more on both Boise and Alcorn, had Tress wanted to run up the score.
Something else to remember, is that Tressel's style of coaching did not lend itself to a "wow" factor, especially in the regular season. The regular season was used to get the team ready for the playoffs. Not that Tress wanted to lose any games, but he knew 1 or 2 losses would not keep YSU out of the playoffs.
I was at all but 2 home games, and at several road games. Watched other road games on TV. YSU was dominate, and so was Marshall. YSU though was a just bit more dominant than Marshall in the playoffs during that stretch.
+100^^ Lets Talk and Wick are correct.
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To be honest, YSU was never as dominate as NDSU or APP St. Those two programs are a notch above what we ever where.
I disagree but didn't comment earlier because I was to lazy to dig up the stats--Let's Talk once again hit the nail on the head. ;)
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when I say not as dominate I'm talking more from a talent perspective. Sure what we accomplished is every bit as impressive as what NDSU and APP St. has but, talent wise these schools are superior . We never had superior talent against every team we played the way those two schools have.
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BINGO !! YSU lacked talent but got superior coaching to win big. Even now, while the talent here is better , the coaching isn't. I'm always amazed when a Ytowner proclaims YSU has and had superior talent. In your dreams maybe.
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Did not see myself or any who agreed with me boasting about superior talent. Fotball is a TEAM game. This thread is about dominant TEAMS, not dominant players. And, while YSU may not have alot of players with mind blowing physical skills, what they did have were teams full of extremely talented FOOTBALL players. I don't care how good Tress and staff were, a team does not accomplish what YSU accomplished without alot of talented players.
As for a dropp off coming for NDSU, I totally agree. I think the question is how much of a drop-off. Believe that would be the case even if Bohl stayed. YSU had a drop-off from 95-2000, even with Tressel. Yes, there were still 2 NC games, 1 NC and 3 trips to the playoffs. Also, 5 winning seasons in 6 years. But, that was a drop-off from the dominant years of 91-94. And, let's not forget the 1990 team went 11-0 in the regular season, only to lose at home to UCF in the first round of the playoffs. The 89 team went 9-4, with the schools first 1AA/FCS playoff win in the 1st round at EKU.
So, there was a drop-off, though YSU still remained a legitimate top level FCS program.
I do not care the sport. Give me above average athletes(but not mind blowing) who know how to play the sport, are coachable who have the intangibles that cannot be taught over a team full of mind blowing athletes, but with little natural instincts for the sport. The former will beat the later the vast majority of times. Add in great coaching, and the supposedly more talented team wins even fewer times.
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1. stop recruiting athletes & start recruiting football players.
2. I trust coach M to field a good O ...let's concentrate on defense. Field teams that can stop the Dakota's. Not just the "Dakota States" as we should not have beaten USD. They will be a top-3 conference team next year.
3. Get a "big" package on offense. We lose Sharbaugh and Pace. We need a back that can hit hard and is over 225lbs. Then settle on QB. Outside of that get 10 solid starting linemen & cross-train them.
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NDSU is very good but consider that they have yet to play a road game in their playoff run. They are very similar in that regard to Marshall, who played only one road game during the 90s (and lost that to Boise State the week before the 1994 championship.) As the data provided by Let's Talk proves, our stats over a four year period were superior. Consider also that, during the 90s, we defeated two #1 ranked teams on the road in the playoffs, Nevada in 1991 and Villanova in 1997. And in two of the four national championship victories, our opponents never crossed our goal line (Marshall in 1993 and McNeese State in 1997.)
we are currently 12-1 in the playoffs with this class since 2010
2 games On the road, 2 games at neutral site 4 total road games
2010 we beat Robert Morris in the opening round, then traveled to a Montana St and blew out the Big Sky champs, following week went to Eastern Washington and lost in OT to eventual NC, since that game NDSU has won 18 straight road games, the record for this class to date is 50-7 and on a NCAA leading 22 straight wins. not to mention 4-0 against FBS (B1G, Big 12 and MWC)
been a pretty impressive run
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Bison,
I was only counting the two years when you won the title and this year when you should win a third crown. Over that span, you will not have played a road game. Neutral sites are completely different situations. In that sense, you are fortunate as was Marshall in the 90s and Georgia Southern in the 80s for a few (not all) of their championships.
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I respectfully disagree that YSU was not every bit as dominant as NDSU or App State during the span from the8th game of the 1991 season, through the Championship Game in 1994.
4 straight 1AA Championship Games
3 NC's in 4 years
Lone loss was by 3 points, to Marshall, in what was essentially a home game for Marshall
93 Title, YSU beat Marshall, at Marshall
Record during this stretch: 46-5-2
Nov/Dec record: 26-1-1
Playoff record over this span, 15-1, with the lone loss being 31-28 in the 92 Title game against Marshall.
93 and 94 teams were especially dominate in the playoffs. Every game was won by 10 or more points. YSU beat Marshall 17 - 5 in NC game at Marshall.... YSU scored on each of their first 3 possessions. Game was never really in doubt after that. None of these games were ever in doubt.
In 94, the only playoff game that was in doubt, was the rematch with EKU. The other 3 were won by 14 or more points, and YSU could have scored more on both Boise and Alcorn, had Tress wanted to run up the score.
Something else to remember, is that Tressel's style of coaching did not lend itself to a "wow" factor, especially in the regular season. The regular season was used to get the team ready for the playoffs. Not that Tress wanted to lose any games, but he knew 1 or 2 losses would not keep YSU out of the playoffs.
I was at all but 2 home games, and at several road games. Watched other road games on TV. YSU was dominate, and so was Marshall. YSU though was a just bit more dominant than Marshall in the playoffs during that stretch.
I agree.
But maybe the blowout wins and huge margins of victory was something he was talking about too. We won a lot of playoff games back then by 1,3,5,7 points.
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As miley said.....and we wont stop....and we cant stop...lol
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Hard to compare today's NDSU and YSU of the 1990s solely on record and margin of victory. The FCS was a higher level of competition then than it is today.
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Hard to compare today's NDSU and YSU of the 1990s solely on record and margin of victory. The FCS was a higher level of competition then than it is today.
Very good point, several of the stronger programs at that time have moved to 1A, the division is diluted. You just cannot really compare teams from different decades.
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Yes, several teams have moved to FBS. But, there are schools who have since started or re-started football at the FCS level, not too mention teams that had success at the D2 level who have moved to FCS. Among those former D2 schools are South Dakota, South Dakota State, and a school in Fargo, ND named NORTH DAKOTA STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... All 3 are in the MVFC, and YSU has not yet beaten SDSU since they joined the conference, and has only 1 win over NDSU... YSU did beat SDSU in 2007, the season before SDSU joined the MVFC.
Other teams of note:
*Jacksonville State is a quality FCS program that made the jump from D2 to FCS in 1997
*Coastal Carolina has become a quality FCS program, even though they just started football in 2004.
*Central Arkansas made the jump from D2 to FCS in 2006, and has become a top-tier Southlan Conference program.
*SE Louisiana reinstated football in 2003, after not having a program from 86-2002. This season, SELA was the #4 seed in the FCS playoffs, and won the Southland Conference Title
*Stony Brook just became a full scholarship FCS program in 2007, and is now a member of the CAA. They made the playoffs 2 times while in the Big South(2011 and 2012). In 2012, Stony Brook beat FBS Army, and also won a 1st round playoff game against Villanova. By no means is Stony Brook a top tier FCS program, but they have had some success in their brief time at the FCS level, and being a member of the CAA holds potential for them to develop into a quality FCS program
*Wofford - 1st full season in FCS was 1997. Still remember when they played YSU in 1996 while in probationary status in their move to FCS. I had no idea how to even pronounce the school's name. Woffor plays in the So-Con, and has made the playoffs 6 times from 2003-2012. For those counting, that is FIVE more appearances than YSU over the same time span.
Hard to make the FCS is now "watered down" argument, given YSU's lack of success against SDSU(1-6) and NDSU(1-5) since each school moved to FCS, plus YSU making the playoffs only 1 time in the last 13 years.
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I stand by the diluted statement, YSU's success against the prairie schools has nothing to do with it.
ndsu certainly has made a statement recently, but they are it, you mention several other schools and time may prove me wrong but at this point they do not disprove my diluted statement
Coastal Carolina and Central Arkansas may be decent programs but they do not exactly send the fear of God to anyone.
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YSU has beaten NDSU more than once but I'm not sure if they were in the conference then---it was a few years back that we beat them @ Stambaugh and another time @ Stambaugh we would've had them beat but instead of running the clock down before kicking the go ahead fg we elected to throw a couple passes and gave them a minute to beat us as time expired--we also beat them in Fargo 2years ago.Don't get me wrong they are an awesome team but without our qb I expected them to beat us by @ least 50 this year.
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YSU has beaten NDSU more than once but I'm not sure if they were in the conference then---it was a few years back that we beat them @ Stambaugh and another time @ Stambaugh we would've had them beat but instead of running the clock down before kicking the go ahead fg we elected to throw a couple passes and gave them a minute to beat us as time expired--we also beat them in Fargo 2years ago.Don't get me wrong they are an awesome team but without our qb I expected them to beat us by @ least 50 this year.
Without kid choke we might just have a shot against a team at the full scholarship level above .500 8)
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David S, I stand corrected on NDSU -vs- YSU. The series is tied 3-3 since NDSU joined the MVFC, with NDSU winning 3 of the last 4 games. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
While NDSU did not beat YSU by 50 points, they did win by 18 points, and the game was never really in doubt at any point in the 2nd half.
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Just an FYI ...this is not the first time we were in the same conference as NDSU.
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David S, I stand corrected on NDSU -vs- YSU. The series is tied 3-3 since NDSU joined the MVFC, with NDSU winning 3 of the last 4 games. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
While NDSU did not beat YSU by 50 points, they did win by 18 points, and the game was never really in doubt at any point in the 2nd half.
Neither one of our backup qb's had any experience so the game should not of been in doubt @ any point in the first half either.Not trying to glorify Hess but rather point out that our back-ups with basically no experience had to face mighty NDSU.Had the Hess that showed up vs. ILS played I think it would've been a ballgame even with our defense-- but as we know woulda,coulda,shoulda is meaningless.
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Just an FYI ...this is not the first time we were in the same conference as NDSU.
My apologies ...I just looked it does not look like NDSU was ever in the Mid-Continent Conference with us. I know that UNI, EIU, WIU and Akron were in there.
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Geo southern & Appy st moved to fbs just this year. NDSU had to go thru them last 2 years so give us some credit . Who else is gone from 90's run? Nobody as good as those 2 programs (marshall and troy?)
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Boise State, Nevada, Central Florida, UCONN were regulars in the 90s too
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My favorite teams of old.
70 & 80's:
Eastern Kentucky
Arkansas State
La Tech
Villanova and GA Southern peeked late and carried over into the 90's
90's:
YSU
Marshall
GA Southern
UNI
Montana