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I thought maybe one thread to keep track of what goes on with our Horizon League foes this "off-season" even though we have teams still playing.
Loyola fired Jim Whitesell today - a record a few games over .500 in 7 seasons was not good enough
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-college-basketball/2011/03/jim-whitesell-out-at-loyola.html (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-college-basketball/2011/03/jim-whitesell-out-at-loyola.html)
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Loyola has the balls to make a change yet we flounder in the basement each year. Nice going Strollo!!!
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Loyola has the balls to make a change yet we flounder in the basement each year. Nice going Strollo!!!
Indy--this is why on this site that you can't have a "news only" thread because idiots like this have to say the same things over and over again.
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You are so correct IP. Why cannot these jerks stop making the same stupid remarks over and over.
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I suspect that all Butler coaches will get offers. Stevens would be foolish to go anywhere. Assistants Johnson, and especially Graves, will probably get some good offers. Graves is who Loyola wants.
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You say I repeat the same thing over and over but you know I am correct. Yens probably want to keep Strollo and Slocum because you must enjoy losing. Open your eyes you fools!!!!!!
Don't start a thread that mentions a coaching change in our League when we need one if you don't want a reaction. Let me sign off so I can enjoy watching this week the many Horizon League teams in a
post season tournament and only dream it could be us if we made a change and have fans that don't enjoy losing.
Later and piece out brothers.
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"Piece" to you as well---hope there's not a YSU diploma on your wall.
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Like an idiot I will try again.
Some coaching news updates:
UWM Coach Rob Jeter turned down Bradley and Loyola is said to have interest in Michigan State assistant Mark Montgomery and Indiana Assistant Tim Buckley (former head coach at Ball State) per the Chicago Tribune. Story also mentions Isaih Thomas is interested in the job but Loyola has no interest in Zeke.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-bradley-loyola-still-hunting-for-new-coaches-20110323,0,6016145.story (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-bradley-loyola-still-hunting-for-new-coaches-20110323,0,6016145.story)
Indy Star reports Loyola may also have interest in former Butler and Iowa coach Todd Lickliter and Butler assistant Matthew Graves is being considered by Bradley. The story also talks about former IUPUI coach Ron Hunter's decision to take the Georgia State job.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110323/SPORTS0607/103230320/Following-Hunter-IUPUI-won-t-easy?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports (http://www.indystar.com/article/20110323/SPORTS0607/103230320/Following-Hunter-IUPUI-won-t-easy?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports)
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And we will add this from midmajority.com on basketball spending and the "red line"
http://www.midmajority.com/p/1994 (http://www.midmajority.com/p/1994)
The Horizon League quote
We always look for trends in these numbers from year to year. One interesting tidbit is that the average Horizon League athletic budget dropped from $9.7 million to $8.5 million. On the other hand, men's basketball spending increased by an average of $200,000 per school, from $1.6 million to $1.8 million. Who's spending more? Look at Detroit: $2.0m up to $2.6m, and to a smaller extent, Youngstown State ($.9m to $1.03m). But really look at Butler, who increased spending by $11 million in their Final Four fiscal year ($1.7m to $2.8m, 23 percent of a $12.4m overall budget).
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Good info Indy. That GAst job will be a good one to have. I am not sure how long they plan on waiting, but all indications are this school will stay I-AA/FCS for only a short time, if at all. I understand that 3 conferences have been in discussions with them. This will take basketball right up there as well. Most likely heading Independent, then colonial/a-10, then CUSA.
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UWGB made the Women's Sweet 16 for the first time. They lost to #1 seed Baylor 86-76. UWGB finishes 34-2.
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Loyola names former Illinois State and Arkansas Little Rock head coach Porter Moser as their head coach
http://loyolaramblers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040511aaa.html?source=rss_teams_Loyola-Chicago_Ramblers (http://loyolaramblers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040511aaa.html?source=rss_teams_Loyola-Chicago_Ramblers)
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6364568 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6364568)
ESPN reporting that UWM coach Rob Jeter has been contacted by Miami (FL) about their open job.
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Not the Horizon League, but I think there is an impact on YSU and the Horizon League to the changes in the basketball program with our friends in Portage County.
In case you missed it, former Kent State coach Geno Ford left for Bradley at the end of March. Last week Kent State filled the opening by promoting assistant coach Rob Senderoff.
Ford was making $300k per year at Kent and will reportedly make $700k at Bradley with a potential additional $200k in incentives.
http://www.pjstar.com/bradleyhoops/x855933262/Bradley-introduces-Geno-Ford-to-the-fans (http://www.pjstar.com/bradleyhoops/x855933262/Bradley-introduces-Geno-Ford-to-the-fans)
Ford has a rather hefty termination fee to pay Kent - reportedly $1.2 million based on this story. The link also includes a copy of Ford's contract at Kent. The viewer that it is in is somewhat unusual - click on the arrow on the side of the gray box to advance pages. It is interesting to see a contract.
http://kentwired.com/fords-departure-leaves-basketball-team-in-state-of-shock/ (http://kentwired.com/fords-departure-leaves-basketball-team-in-state-of-shock/)
Needless to say the Kent boards provided some interesting reading. Here is one thread, there are others
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=490852 (http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=490852)
Kent's new head coach Senderoff reportedly has three year contract for $250k per year.
http://www.recordpub.com/news/sports_article/5012629 (http://www.recordpub.com/news/sports_article/5012629)
Senderoff has NCAA imposed restrictions on his ability to recruit through May 25, 2011 for his role in the Kelvin Sampson phone call scandal
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2011/04/kent_state_elevates_assistant.html (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2011/04/kent_state_elevates_assistant.html)
There is a lot to digest here:
This is not good for MAC basketball - losing the head coach of one your flagship programs to a middle of the road team in another mid-major conference. I would equate this to YSU losing a reasonably successful head football coach to Massachusetts or Maine.
This furthers the decline of MAC basketball in the last decade since they began to devote more resources to football. The MAC has not had an at-large selection to the men's basketball tournament since 1999. MAC teams have won one game in the last 8 NCAA tournaments, Ohio's win over Georgetown in 2010. That means the MAC will receive 7 units of NCAA basketball money next year. For comparison's sake the Horizon League will receive 20 units next year. That is over $3 million more to the Horizon League than to the MAC next year. The Horizon League has won at least one NCAA tournament game in the last 7 tournaments.
Interesting also that Kent was quick to hire an NCAA rules violator in Senderoff - and the Kent boards were very vocal in backing this hiring from the start. The recruiting restrictions likely won't matter much this year - they lose only one player and had some fall signees. But you have to wonder how much negative recruiting will focus on that.
Given YSU's track record in basketball - hirings and results, I don't have much room to talk. But on an overall basis I have to think the last month has not been good for Kent State basketball and that can't be bad for Youngstown State basketball. Getting competitive in the Horizon will start with getting competitive in Northeast Ohio - and YSU has to become better than a distant fourth among CSU, YSU, Kent and Akron.
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No MAC at-large selections since 1999! Wow! Documentation that the MAC has become a "one-and-done" conference! Another Wow! But here is our problem: perception is more important than reality. I'm quite sure that the casual fans in the Mahoning Valley believe that the MAC is better than the Horizon League---despite Butler and such hard facts as these. These simpletons also believe that any MAC football team could defeat an Appalachian State in their prime! That is what we are up against as we struggle to build the program: tradition, media coverage, and fan stupidity.
Indy, as you have stated many times, we need to recruit that one stud that has somehow slipped through the recruiting cracks.
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Could care less if the MAC is weaker in basketball..Butler is the Horizon..we are along for the ride and up to now other than getting the little subsidy money from BUTLERS success our Men's program has done little to justify any excitement in Ohio's recruiting wars....as for what Kent Hired...they did what they always have done since Waters turned that program around...They hired from within...
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Something else to consider. I think we may find a solution stemming from football, rather than basketball. With the expansion of the MVFC, the conference will only require 7 or 8 games for it's members. This does leave us with enough open dates to play a warm-up, a money game, and Akron and/or Kent (rival). If we can begin to defeat these two (or at least an above 50/50 split) we make a statement to potential recruits and excite the fans with a return to our rival games.
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I like your idea of scheduling Akron or Kent. It's not going to happen though because YSU is not going to schedule two FBS schools in one year. they will not make the playoffs doing that.
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I don't see us playing Kent or Akron in football ever again - unless - something very drastic happens to our program or theirs. Talking someone changing divisions!
They do not have the money to pay us big bucks and I just do not see a recruit coming to YSU because they may get a chance to play either one of them, yea yea. Penn St, Ohio St, Mich St are worth getting pumped up about, not some low end MAC schools.
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Updates on Valpo's Brandon Wood and Butler's Shelvin Mack and their declarations for the NBA draft. I had not previously heard that Wood is likely to transfer to grad school in the Big Ten if he doesn't stay in the draft.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6443622/reaction-new-names-nba-draft-list (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6443622/reaction-new-names-nba-draft-list)
Valparaiso leading scorer Brandon Wood declared for the draft. But according to Valpo assistant coach Bryce Drew, Wood wanted to see the process and get a sense of where he stood. If he doesn't hear anything positive, then he will withdraw from the draft. But there is another curveball. Wood is a fourth-year junior at Valpo and is graduating. He started his career at Southern Illinois and went to a junior college for a year. The Crusaders aren't expecting Wood to return, even if he were to withdraw with the option that Wood would transfer to a Big Ten school for graduate school and a fifth year. One option for him might be Michigan State, according to a source. If Wood were to join the Spartans, it would be a huge pickup because of his ability to score from the perimeter.
A number of NBA personnel said they wouldn't be surprised if Maryland's Jordan Williams, Butler's Shelvin Mack, Washington's Isaiah Thomas, Boston College's Reggie Jackson or Fresno State's Greg Smith all stayed in the draft. But there is a consensus already that Michigan's Darius Morris, Xavier's Tu Holloway, Georgetown's Hollis Thompson, Miami's Reggie Johnson, Pitt's Ashton Gibbs and Northwestern's John Shurna should go back to school before they make a mistake of leaving too soon, and in the case of those who can't make an NBA roster, a major error in giving up their eligibility.
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I don't see us playing Kent or Akron in football ever again - unless - something very drastic happens to our program or theirs. Talking someone changing divisions!
They do not have the money to pay us big bucks and I just do not see a recruit coming to YSU because they may get a chance to play either one of them, yea yea. Penn St, Ohio St, Mich St are worth getting pumped up about, not some low end MAC schools.
I am talking about Kent or Akron in addition to a 'money game'. With the expansion, the conference will only require we play 8 conference teams each season. This leaves 3 open games (four games every 4th year).
1. money
2. rival
3. warm-up.
We need one more team in the MVFC.
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http://www.cleveland.com/sports/csu/index.ssf/2011/04/transfers_clear_way_for_viking.html (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/csu/index.ssf/2011/04/transfers_clear_way_for_viking.html)
As expected, Cleveland State had several postseason defections on the mens basketball team, three so far all of which combine to deplete the Vikings bench of its experience. Gone are 6-10 Joe Latas, 6-7 Charlie Woods and 6-4 Josh McCoy.
This makes six players who have transferred in the past two seasons for Cleveland State but clears the decks for the bulk of the five-man recruiting class coach Gary Waters signed back in November. And, if Internet recruiting sites are accurate, the Vikings still are out recruiting. They are on the hunt for a post player, reportedly, with offers on the table to 6-8, 240-pound Dwight Miller from Midland College, a junior college in Texas, and 6-9, 240-pound Ibrahima Djimde from Huntington (W.Va.) Prep.
However, should one of these post players commit to CSU, yet another player will have to transfer to make room.
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I don't see us playing Kent or Akron in football ever again - unless - something very drastic happens to our program or theirs. Talking someone changing divisions!
They do not have the money to pay us big bucks and I just do not see a recruit coming to YSU because they may get a chance to play either one of them, yea yea. Penn St, Ohio St, Mich St are worth getting pumped up about, not some low end MAC schools.
I am talking about Kent or Akron in addition to a 'money game'. With the expansion, the conference will only require we play 8 conference teams each season. This leaves 3 open games (four games every 4th year).
1. money
2. rival
3. warm-up.
We need one more team in the MVFC.
Why are you two hijacking the basketball thread talking about football schedules?
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I don't see us playing Kent or Akron in football ever again - unless - something very drastic happens to our program or theirs. Talking someone changing divisions!
They do not have the money to pay us big bucks and I just do not see a recruit coming to YSU because they may get a chance to play either one of them, yea yea. Penn St, Ohio St, Mich St are worth getting pumped up about, not some low end MAC schools.
I am talking about Kent or Akron in addition to a 'money game'. With the expansion, the conference will only require we play 8 conference teams each season. This leaves 3 open games (four games every 4th year).
1. money
2. rival
3. warm-up.
We need one more team in the MVFC.
Why are you two hijacking the basketball thread talking about football schedules?
Looked back and saw the segue - no harm no foul - back to BB.
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Updates on Valpo's Brandon Wood and Butler's Shelvin Mack and their declarations for the NBA draft. I had not previously heard that Wood is likely to transfer to grad school in the Big Ten if he doesn't stay in the draft.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6443622/reaction-new-names-nba-draft-list (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6443622/reaction-new-names-nba-draft-list)
Valparaiso leading scorer Brandon Wood declared for the draft. But according to Valpo assistant coach Bryce Drew, Wood wanted to see the process and get a sense of where he stood. If he doesn't hear anything positive, then he will withdraw from the draft. But there is another curveball. Wood is a fourth-year junior at Valpo and is graduating. He started his career at Southern Illinois and went to a junior college for a year. The Crusaders aren't expecting Wood to return, even if he were to withdraw with the option that Wood would transfer to a Big Ten school for graduate school and a fifth year. One option for him might be Michigan State, according to a source. If Wood were to join the Spartans, it would be a huge pickup because of his ability to score from the perimeter.
Saw today that Wood will indeed play next year for Michigan State.