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What's the challenge here? ::) I'd say staying healthy and don't give the MVFC any good game film ;)
Valpo is ranked # 246 out of 246 in Div 1 football according to Sagarins :-[
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm
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going to see all 4 RBs i think, each might have a shot at 100 rushing yards. dont think we will do much more then just running the ball, UNI is comming up quick and they dont need anything special to look at
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Can't overlook Albany.
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Can't overlook Albany.
This I agree with!
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What's the challenge here? ::) I'd say staying healthy and don't give the MVFC any good game film ;)
Valpo is ranked # 246 out of 246 in Div 1 football according to Sagarins :-[
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm
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Pitt ranked 63rd and YSU 110th? I don't think so.
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Because only one game has been played, Sagarin still has his pre-season rankings in the numbers. That won't change for a few weeks.
For the first few weeks of the season, the starting ratings have weight
in the process(BAYESIAN), but once the teams are all WELL CONNECTED, then
the starting ratings are no longer used and all teams are started equal
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Because only one game has been played, Sagarin still has his pre-season rankings in the numbers. That won't change for a few weeks.
For the first few weeks of the season, the starting ratings have weight
in the process(BAYESIAN), but once the teams are all WELL CONNECTED, then
the starting ratings are no longer used and all teams are started equal
A true voice of reason ^^ :)
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Valpo lost their opener to St. Josephs 36-34
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/football/college/st-joseph-s-rallies-to-beat-valparaiso-in-football-opener/article_bcdeb4c8-e56f-5592-ae12-1e2de4ef000f.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/football/college/st-joseph-s-rallies-to-beat-valparaiso-in-football-opener/article_bcdeb4c8-e56f-5592-ae12-1e2de4ef000f.html)
VALPARAISO | Modern technology hasn't intimidated Valparaiso coach Dale Carlson, who Tweets and spits out 60-second YouTube sound bites with the best of 'em.
He's talked all season about the improvement of his young team, trying to generate buzz for a program with a 2-31 record the past three seasons. A 29-game losing streak was finally snapped in the 10th game of the 2011 season, when the Crusaders upset Campbell.
The Crusaders opened a new season full of hope Thursday night before a crowd of 3,848 at Brown Field against St. Joseph's, but they suffered a crushing 36-34 loss in the final minute.
Led by junior quarterback Billy VandeMerkt, the Pumas marched 93 yards on 12 plays in the final three minutes, getting a 6-yard touchdown run from Cameron Crabtree with 24 seconds remaining to claim the victory.
"I'm not going to lie. I had complete trust and faith in our offense," St. Joseph's coach Cory Sanders said. "With Billy, I have one word to describe him. Warrior. I can look in his eyes and see the fight."
On the night, VandeMerkt was 21-of-38 passing for 303 yards with two touchdowns. He completed 8-of-9 passes on the final drive, including 24-yarder to Julian Walker who had monster game with 11 catches for 205 yards and two TDs.
St. Joe (1-0) got within 34-30 when freshman Gavin Voss, a Wheeler High grad, booted a 39-yard field goal with 7:14 remaining.
"He came up big under pressure," Sanders said. "That gave us a chance to win the game."
Carlson said the key was Valpo's offense not coming through on its final possession.
After the Voss field goal, the Crusaders (0-1) picked up a pair of first downs and had a second-and-3 at the St. Joe 29-yard line with about four minutes remaining. Running back Sterling Summerville lost nine yards on the play, and the Crusaders eventually had to punt.
"The big key was when we weren't able to run the clock out," Carlson said. "We had the ball in pretty decent field position ... and the offense has to run it out. But we let them go the length of the field, and that's inexcusable, too."
A back-and-forth first half ended in a 20-20 tie, with both teams missing one extra point.
Gabe Ali-El (15-84 rushing) scored the first of his two TDs for the Crusaders late in the first quarter for a 7-7 tie, a drive that was set up by a Dylan Storm interception.
VU's Jake Hutson later scored on a 2-yard run, and Ryan Lehr added a 1-yarder with 25 seconds left in the half.
Starting the third quarter, Valpo cornerback Devan Gadson stripped St. Joe's Crabtree and returned the ball 36 yards for a TD and a 26-20 Valpo lead.
Valpo kept things interesting behind the no-huddle offense directed by 6-foot-3 sophomore quarterback Eric Hoffman, who completed 23-of-44 passes for 221 yards.
But it was a tough finish for the Crusaders, who have to play at Youngstown State a week from Saturday.
"We left the defense out there for too many extended plays," Carlson said. "I think they're kind of shocked right now. I told them at the end of the game, you have to finish. It's not good enough just to be competitive.
"When you get in clutch situations you have to stop up and make plays."
It was the first-ever Thursday football game at Brown Field, and the third night game of all time.
Valpo opened with Thursday night road games in 2008 (St. Francis) and 2010 (Western Illinois).
Valpo athletic director Mark LaBarbera said playing a Thursday night opener is becoming quite a trend in college football.
"It just gives them a little more time to prepare for the next game," LaBarbera said. "With us having to prepare for Youngstown State (Sept. 8), it gives the coaching staff more time to get ready.
"We thought we'd give it a try and see what happens."
LaBarbera said an effort was made to entice students, particularly freshmen, to attend the game.
"We want to get them familiar with what's going on," he said.
The Crusaders haven't had much recent success on the gridiron, playing at the Division I non-scholarship level. Valpo hasn't won a Pioneer Football League title since 2003, but LaBarbera is confident that Carlson has the program headed in the right direction.
"Dale and his staff have done a really good job of recruiting kids who can play football at the Pioneer Football League level who can also be successful academically," LaBarbera said. "I like the direction of the program, and trying to build a program at our level takes a little bit of time.
"They are bigger, and stronger because of our weight training program. They look a lot more like a football team than they have in the past."
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Valpo lost their opener to St. Josephs 36-34
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/football/college/st-joseph-s-rallies-to-beat-valparaiso-in-football-opener/article_bcdeb4c8-e56f-5592-ae12-1e2de4ef000f.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/football/college/st-joseph-s-rallies-to-beat-valparaiso-in-football-opener/article_bcdeb4c8-e56f-5592-ae12-1e2de4ef000f.html)
VALPARAISO | Modern technology hasn't intimidated Valparaiso coach Dale Carlson, who Tweets and spits out 60-second YouTube sound bites with the best of 'em.
He's talked all season about the improvement of his young team, trying to generate buzz for a program with a 2-31 record the past three seasons. A 29-game losing streak was finally snapped in the 10th game of the 2011 season, when the Crusaders upset Campbell.
The Crusaders opened a new season full of hope Thursday night before a crowd of 3,848 at Brown Field against St. Joseph's, but they suffered a crushing 36-34 loss in the final minute.
Led by junior quarterback Billy VandeMerkt, the Pumas marched 93 yards on 12 plays in the final three minutes, getting a 6-yard touchdown run from Cameron Crabtree with 24 seconds remaining to claim the victory.
"I'm not going to lie. I had complete trust and faith in our offense," St. Joseph's coach Cory Sanders said. "With Billy, I have one word to describe him. Warrior. I can look in his eyes and see the fight."
On the night, VandeMerkt was 21-of-38 passing for 303 yards with two touchdowns. He completed 8-of-9 passes on the final drive, including 24-yarder to Julian Walker who had monster game with 11 catches for 205 yards and two TDs.
St. Joe (1-0) got within 34-30 when freshman Gavin Voss, a Wheeler High grad, booted a 39-yard field goal with 7:14 remaining.
"He came up big under pressure," Sanders said. "That gave us a chance to win the game."
Carlson said the key was Valpo's offense not coming through on its final possession.
After the Voss field goal, the Crusaders (0-1) picked up a pair of first downs and had a second-and-3 at the St. Joe 29-yard line with about four minutes remaining. Running back Sterling Summerville lost nine yards on the play, and the Crusaders eventually had to punt.
"The big key was when we weren't able to run the clock out," Carlson said. "We had the ball in pretty decent field position ... and the offense has to run it out. But we let them go the length of the field, and that's inexcusable, too."
A back-and-forth first half ended in a 20-20 tie, with both teams missing one extra point.
Gabe Ali-El (15-84 rushing) scored the first of his two TDs for the Crusaders late in the first quarter for a 7-7 tie, a drive that was set up by a Dylan Storm interception.
VU's Jake Hutson later scored on a 2-yard run, and Ryan Lehr added a 1-yarder with 25 seconds left in the half.
Starting the third quarter, Valpo cornerback Devan Gadson stripped St. Joe's Crabtree and returned the ball 36 yards for a TD and a 26-20 Valpo lead.
Valpo kept things interesting behind the no-huddle offense directed by 6-foot-3 sophomore quarterback Eric Hoffman, who completed 23-of-44 passes for 221 yards.
But it was a tough finish for the Crusaders, who have to play at Youngstown State a week from Saturday.
"We left the defense out there for too many extended plays," Carlson said. "I think they're kind of shocked right now. I told them at the end of the game, you have to finish. It's not good enough just to be competitive.
"When you get in clutch situations you have to stop up and make plays."
It was the first-ever Thursday football game at Brown Field, and the third night game of all time.
Valpo opened with Thursday night road games in 2008 (St. Francis) and 2010 (Western Illinois).
Valpo athletic director Mark LaBarbera said playing a Thursday night opener is becoming quite a trend in college football.
"It just gives them a little more time to prepare for the next game," LaBarbera said. "With us having to prepare for Youngstown State (Sept. 8), it gives the coaching staff more time to get ready.
"We thought we'd give it a try and see what happens."
LaBarbera said an effort was made to entice students, particularly freshmen, to attend the game.
"We want to get them familiar with what's going on," he said.
The Crusaders haven't had much recent success on the gridiron, playing at the Division I non-scholarship level. Valpo hasn't won a Pioneer Football League title since 2003, but LaBarbera is confident that Carlson has the program headed in the right direction.
"Dale and his staff have done a really good job of recruiting kids who can play football at the Pioneer Football League level who can also be successful academically," LaBarbera said. "I like the direction of the program, and trying to build a program at our level takes a little bit of time.
"They are bigger, and stronger because of our weight training program. They look a lot more like a football team than they have in the past."
After reading this ^^ It should be a great test for the "D's" young secondary Saturday.
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Might rain all week including saturday, could be a sloppy game
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Our O-line will do what it wants with Valpo. Good to get the secondary a little work, but our offense should easily put up 50 in this one. A good week to start prepping for UNI.
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Our O-line will do what it wants with Valpo. Good to get the secondary a little work, but our offense should easily put up 50 in this one. A good week to start prepping for UNI.
I agree but YSU can't overlook the Dane's!! UNI is really tough this year but we'll be tested the week before by Albany.
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I agree about Albany. That's why I think we should start preparing for UNI this week -- focus next week on the Danes.
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I agree about Albany. That's why I think we should start preparing for UNI this week -- focus next week on the Danes.
or we practice for and worry about Valpo this week
more important game, because its saturday not a week from saturday
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speaking of UNI, Last years LB LJ Fort worked out with the Browns as a UDFA and will be getting the start for Cleveland at SLB
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Well----the line is out. YSU is a 59 1/2 point favorite. One of the bigger lines you'll ever see!!!
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Well----the line is out. YSU is a 59 1/2 point favorite. One of the bigger lines you'll ever see!!!
Yikes!! Did you bet it IP? I'm on the wagon this year won some$$ DErby and Oaks then said I quit LOL!!
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If the weather is as lousy as they say it's going to be, 59 1/2 might be too many......
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Game notes are out
http://www.ysusports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/files/YSUvsValpoNotes.pdf
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Game notes are out
http://www.ysusports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/files/YSUvsValpoNotes.pdf
game notes says we won 77-13 last year, wasnt it 77-0?
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Steve Zaborsky will start at DT today instead of DeCracker because of his knee injury I'm guessing
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Steve Zaborsky will start at DT today instead of DeCracker because of his knee injury I'm guessing
be ready for a Late hit or un-sportsman like penalty or 2. Fact: he averaged 1 late hit/Un-sportsman like penalty in his HS career per game. hopefully college matured him but i always thought he was a little bit of a punk in HS durring some of the games i saw
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half hour till kick off
an hour till nap time ;)
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Valpo fan here, but with Youngstown alumni in the family. Just wondering how you feel about this matchup since it's so one sided. I can't see it being much of a challenge for you, and Valpo can't put up a better scrimmage than Mooney could. Don't know if this matchup continues, but I suspect it will get revisited in a few years.
*Anybody know what YSU is paying Valpo to take this beating?
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Yeah, I think this is the YSU equivalent of the Ohio State-Eastern Michigan game. A chance to prepare for future games while technically playing someone at the same level.
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Valpo fan here, but with Youngstown alumni in the family. Just wondering how you feel about this matchup since it's so one sided. I can't see it being much of a challenge for you, and Valpo can't put up a better scrimmage than Mooney could. Don't know if this matchup continues, but I suspect it will get revisited in a few years.
*Anybody know what YSU is paying Valpo to take this beating?
YSU probably didnt give Valpo much, maybe 50K? its not like this is Pitt you're playing or anything.
i find it sad we would even try to schedule a DIII like school to begin with, especially when its just a game for Backups after the first 8 minutes or so
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LOL failed to cover by .5 ;D
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Valpo fan here, but with Youngstown alumni in the family. Just wondering how you feel about this matchup since it's so one sided. I can't see it being much of a challenge for you, and Valpo can't put up a better scrimmage than Mooney could. Don't know if this matchup continues, but I suspect it will get revisited in a few years.
*Anybody know what YSU is paying Valpo to take this beating?
YSU probably didnt give Valpo much, maybe 50K? its not like this is Pitt you're playing or anything.
i find it sad we would even try to schedule a DIII like school to begin with, especially when its just a game for Backups after the first 8 minutes or so
8 minutes might have been giving Valpo too much credit. It was 21-0 after 5 minutes.
Anybody know how long Hess stayed in the game? When did the backups come in? 3rd string? I know Valpo played their starters almost the whole way. Anybody on the roster from Valpo you thought was decent? Awful? Just trying to guage vs. a legit scholarship D1AA program
*for the record Valpo is non scholarship
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Valpo fan here, but with Youngstown alumni in the family. Just wondering how you feel about this matchup since it's so one sided. I can't see it being much of a challenge for you, and Valpo can't put up a better scrimmage than Mooney could. Don't know if this matchup continues, but I suspect it will get revisited in a few years.
*Anybody know what YSU is paying Valpo to take this beating?
YSU probably didnt give Valpo much, maybe 50K? its not like this is Pitt you're playing or anything.
i find it sad we would even try to schedule a DIII like school to begin with, especially when its just a game for Backups after the first 8 minutes or so
8 minutes might have been giving Valpo too much credit. It was 21-0 after 5 minutes.
Anybody know how long Hess stayed in the game? When did the backups come in? 3rd string? I know Valpo played their starters almost the whole way. Anybody on the roster from Valpo you thought was decent? Awful? Just trying to guage vs. a legit scholarship D1AA program
*for the record Valpo is non scholarship
i think Hess only played about 8-10 minutes, same with Cook hence the 8 minute comment. too hard to tell if anybody on Valpo looked good or bad we went with some very vanilla play calling after we took the starters out on both sides
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Valpo fan here, but with Youngstown alumni in the family. Just wondering how you feel about this matchup since it's so one sided. I can't see it being much of a challenge for you, and Valpo can't put up a better scrimmage than Mooney could. Don't know if this matchup continues, but I suspect it will get revisited in a few years.
*Anybody know what YSU is paying Valpo to take this beating?
I would assume that we are paying but not sure how much. but if we are paying them I hope we have a clause in the contract to make sure Valpo cannot use any of the money for basketball recruiting!
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Milanmiracle,
From reading your posts on the Valpo board, I know that you recognize the disparity between our programs and opposed this game. I assure you that few YSU fans took any pleasure from what transpired today. You might not know how nonscholarship FCS football started, and you might wish to share this with your Valpo colleagues. You and everybody else in the Pioneer League is a victim of the most unjust decision that the NCAA ever formulated. Several decades ago, Dayton dropped from scholarship to nonscholarship football, joined D3 where they belonged, and promptly won several national titles. Other D3 schools cried like little girls, and the NCAA removed Dayton from D3 and created this farce called nonscholarship IAA (at the time) football. The complaints from the whiners were that since Dayton played DI basketball they somehow had an advantage with their football program. That was complete nonsense but the NCAA used it to justify this bogus classification. This "Dayton rule" now maintains that schools that play DI basketball must place their football programs in DI, scholarship or not. The hypocrisy of all this is that the NCAA allows exceptions for other sports. D3 Johns Hopkins is allowed to play DI lacrosse. D2 Ferris State and Duluth play DI hockey.
As far as the size of the guarantee that YSU paid to Valpo, none of us know. For whatever reason, the YSU administration guards the guarantee amounts for non-conference games like they were plans for the Manhattan Project. If you guys find out on your end, please inform us.
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Ysu payed Valpo between 70-80K for this game ad they are not on the schedule after this season
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For all of the misery Valpo basketball has given us over the years, I personally took great pleasure in the two thrashings we gave them and wish they were on the schedule again next year so we could do it again.
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LIKE^^^^^^
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For all of the misery Valpo basketball has given us over the years, I personally took great pleasure in the two thrashings we gave them and wish they were on the schedule again next year so we could do it again.
i dont i rather see a team that could help us better our playoff chances or playoff spot later in the year
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For all of the misery Valpo basketball has given us over the years, I personally took great pleasure in the two thrashings we gave them and wish they were on the schedule again next year so we could do it again.
i dont i rather see a team that could help us better our playoff chances or playoff spot later in the year
As long as the Selection Committee is going to give these games equal weight to beating all other FCS teams, I am all for playing a game like this the week after the FBS money game. Home game and a chance to get some guys some action.
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And Indy is exactly right. The 1-AA powers that be would rather you play a crappy Valpo team because they're also 1-AA than an excellent D-2 team. So consider it done.
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And Indy is exactly right. The 1-AA powers that be would rather you play a crappy Valpo team because they're also 1-AA than an excellent D-2 team. So consider it done.
i doubt the powers that be prefer teams to play soft OOC schedules
its a mistake not playing better teams in OOC
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It is all about getting to 7 Division I wins. Valpo is better than the eventual Division II national champion in terms of getting you in the field. Not in terms of getting better.
This year it is easy to have a different take with a win over Pitt, but if you open with a loss to Michigan State then go out and lose to Montana and Delaware out of conference, you need to go 7-1 in conference. Go out and beat Valpo and Stony Brook and all you need is 5-3. I agree its stupid, but App State and Montana last weekend is the exception.
The other consideration is that if YSU wants 6 home games a year and wants to play a FBS team for a paycheck, then both other OOC teams have to be at home. Quality FCS full scholarship teams are not going to agree to a one year contract at YSU as they are facing the same situation.
A 24 team playoff field may some day result in a team with less than 7 Division I wins getting an at large bid - but until that happens we are going to see more of the same.
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It is all about getting to 7 Division I wins. Valpo is better than the eventual Division II national champion in terms of getting you in the field. Not in terms of getting better.
This year it is easy to have a different take with a win over Pitt, but if you open with a loss to Michigan State then go out and lose to Montana and Delaware out of conference, you need to go 7-1 in conference. Go out and beat Valpo and Stony Brook and all you need is 5-3. I agree its stupid, but App State and Montana last weekend is the exception.
The other consideration is that if YSU wants 6 home games a year and wants to play a FBS team for a paycheck, then both other OOC teams have to be at home. Quality FCS full scholarship teams are not going to agree to a one year contract at YSU as they are facing the same situation.
A 24 team playoff field may some day result in a team with less than 7 Division I wins getting an at large bid - but until that happens we are going to see more of the same.
where does anybody get this bogus Idea it has to be a DII team? why does this keep getting brought up? id rather take the chance of losing and playing a potential playoff team and getting battle tested then possibly losing a star player to a season ending injury vs what is pretty much a DIII School
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Indy, save your breath. He doesn't get it.