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Last year the former coach recruited 24 high school players. Only one recruit was from the Mahoning County. None from Columbiana, none from Trumbull Co. The new coach should be rethinking the policy of not recruiting this area. Also, the new coach needs to have 1a experience. Ia experience, to take the football program to 1a. YSU's basketball program, has been 1a for sometime. Time to move on.
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Why would a coach recruit players who are not up to playing at this level? The mindset in this Valley is ignorance. Players who could contribute in a meaningful way were offered and went MAC or better. Sorry, but cronyism and politics already run rampant here with bad hires in. The athletic office. If the area players are truly worthy, there would be lots of offers from other D-1 schools as this area is heavily recruited. If you goal is to downgrade the talent level and doom YSU to a losing program, give up the Fla. ,Calif., etc players and stock up on substandard area players. Football I.Q. Here is very low.
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The Kennesaw State Owls are moving up to 1a.. YSU needs to go 1a. Then,YSU will be able to
recruit quality 1a players to the YSU program. Actually, football intelligence in the valley is superb. For that very reason the YSU stadium seats are empty. The fans want to see good competitive football at the 1a level. Then YSU coaches would be able to keep some of the great talents in the valley. Also, YSU is the only state university still in 1aa football. What is with that?
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Actually the Owls are moving to FCS. The Owls most likely will be on the schedule with St. Francis, Bucknell and whomever.
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YSU not only needs to hire a coach with 1a experience, but also a athletic administrator that would have the expertise to move YSU to 1a football. 1aa football is no longer relevant in Ohio. YSU will no longer be eligible to play the big money games..............time to move on.
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YSU not only needs to hire a coach with 1a experience, but also a athletic administrator that would have the expertise to move YSU to 1a football. 1aa football is no longer relevant in Ohio. YSU will no longer be eligible to play the big money games..............time to move on.
We are not moving anywhere. University does not have the funds to make the move... Move along.
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Within the next 5 years there will be no more FCS. There will only be Division 1 and Division 2, no more 1aa. No matter what you think YSU will be making a change soon. This is prevalent by the stadium updates that are in the books (new jumbotron, new lighting, new turf, expanded visitor side). These changes are not being made to support our non-existent fan base, but for an ulterior motive....
Just something to ponder
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Within the next 5 years there will be no more FCS. There will only be Division 1 and Division 2, no more 1aa. No matter what you think YSU will be making a change soon. This is prevalent by the stadium updates that are in the books (new jumbotron, new lighting, new turf, expanded visitor side). These changes are not being made to support our non-existent fan base, but for an ulterior motive....
Just something to ponder
Lol.
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Within the next 5 years there will be no more FCS. There will only be Division 1 and Division 2, no more 1aa. No matter what you think YSU will be making a change soon. This is prevalent by the stadium updates that are in the books (new jumbotron, new lighting, new turf, expanded visitor side). These changes are not being made to support our non-existent fan base, but for an ulterior motive....
Just something to ponder
No on the end of FCS. The question is whether the lower tier conferences like MAC and Sun Belt will be able to compete in FBS once the Big Five rewrite NCAA rules. Tressel has already said that the situation is different from when he coached here and he is going to wait to see what happens. You could be right about an ulterior motive for YSU, but our attendance numbers would have to increase first.
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Attendance will increase when YSU goes 1a. YSU will be playing Akron, Pitt, Kent, Buffalo, Toledo, Bowling Green, Miami, Ohio U, Cincinnati, etc. It is silly to travel thousands of miles to play football in 1aa, when YSU can play entertaining competition within the state and local region. The fan base will increase, ticket sales will increase, travel cost will decrease, scholarships will cost more. Of course the administrators will need to work harder. I believe we can contract a 1a coach for close to what the former coach was paid..............Hopefully, the athletic dept saved up some of the funds from the big money games the past several years to pay for the transition to 1a.......
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Now is the time that YSU needs to hire a coach that has the expertise to take YSU to 1a football. If YSU hires a Div 111 or Div 11 or even a 1aa coach, YSU will never get to where the team should be, 1a.
Vote here whether not YSU should hire a coach to take YSU to 1a.
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Attendance will increase when YSU goes 1a. YSU will be playing Akron, Pitt, Kent, Buffalo, Toledo, Bowling Green, Miami, Ohio U, Cincinnati, etc. It is silly to travel thousands of miles to play football in 1aa, when YSU can play entertaining competition within the state and local region. The fan base will increase, ticket sales will increase, travel cost will decrease, scholarships will cost more. Of course the administrators will need to work harder. I believe we can contract a 1a coach for close to what the former coach was paid..............Hopefully, the athletic dept saved up some of the funds from the big money games the past several years to pay for the transition to 1a.......
Man, you really are in La-La land....
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It is no longer 1-A and 1-AA buddy, FCS and FBS. Just stop.
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Opps I forgot to vote, I vote YES 1a all the way................Or FBS all the way..........
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As name would have it, I am a IA and I-AA kind of guy. This is the last year for FBS and FCS so who know what it will become. Yes we should hire a coach that will take us to the next level, but not the way you think. If any coach is successful at YSU (especially in our conference), they are ready for IA/FBS.
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The NCAA currently separates Division I football into only two divisions, FBS and FCS. Both are badly flawed with, for example, Kent State and Ohio State placed in FBS while Dayton is technically in the same category as NDSU. After the Power 5 make their own rules this winter, which will include eventually paying their players through a "full cost of attendance" scholarship, do you really think that the NCAA will operate THREE divisions of Division I football? (Power 5 - the rest of FBS - FCS) I don't. The NCAA will continue to offer only two divisions, Power 5 and everybody else. All those schools who cannot possibly pay their players will come down to us. We do not have to spend millions going up to them. And when FCS and the non-Power 5 teams are merged, FCS schools will have the numerical advantage. Welcome to 63 scholarships, MAC and Sun Belt.
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NO
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We are already division 1.
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I would love for YSU to move up to 1A. Frankly I think it would have more appeal then playing in 1AA. Yes I know FBS and FCS. Who cares about watching the Dakotas or Indiana State? Put some half decent 1A team in here and I bet people will come.
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Those voting yes should leave their names and phone numbers for the fund raising. We will need at least $5 million from you. Every year. Well, not that amount every year. The amount needed will actually go up every year. And, by the way, the $5 million will be just for the privilege of playing in the MAC. Maybe win that prestigious Motor City Bowl berth.
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Attendance will increase when YSU goes 1a. YSU will be playing Akron, Pitt, Kent, Buffalo, Toledo, Bowling Green, Miami, Ohio U, Cincinnati, etc. It is silly to travel thousands of miles to play football in 1aa, when YSU can play entertaining competition within the state and local region. The fan base will increase, ticket sales will increase, travel cost will decrease, scholarships will cost more. Of course the administrators will need to work harder. I believe we can contract a 1a coach for close to what the former coach was paid..............Hopefully, the athletic dept saved up some of the funds from the big money games the past several years to pay for the transition to 1a.......
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Those voting yes should leave their names and phone numbers for the fund raising. We will need at least $5 million from you. Every year. Well, not that amount every year. The amount needed will actually go up every year. And, by the way, the $5 million will be just for the privilege of playing in the MAC. Maybe win that prestigious Motor City Bowl berth.
Even Jim Tressel will have difficulty in raising $ 5 millions from the donners every year to move us up to FBS. YSU just simply does not have the money right now. Furthermore, the current campus environment would be prohibitive for such a move in any time soon.
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That is silly, quality football competition will fill up the empty seats. Sell tickets don't give them away, also concessions, parking and season ticket holders revenue would increase. Fans do not want to see the powder puff games in which YSU has great stat numbers, than its down hill in November. Also, if the athletic dept is over staffed time to eliminate and double up positions. The athletic dept surely has a paid development consultant to entice more funds.
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Actually, 5 million a year wouldn't even get you in the discussion. You would have to almost double your current athletic budget to play in the MAC.
$28,955,008 Miami (Oh.)
$28,654,890 Buffalo
$27,680,624 Central Michigan
$27,027,550 Ohio
$26,479,926 Akron
$25,871,038 Kent State
$25,458,300 Western Michigan
$23,654,142 Toledo
$22,644,536 Ball State
$21,904,184 Eastern Michigan
$21,586,804 Northern Illinois
$19,326,000 Bowling Green
http://www.bbstate.com/info/schools-budget
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YSU is going to fight like hell to stay status quo let alone go 1A. If crowds and interest do not come back, you may be looking at program extinction in 5 to 10 years.
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Most definitely FBS football would cost more than FCS football. However, the rewards are greater. YSU will still be able to play the big money games.............also, the Director of the Youngstown Foundation is a YSU and NFL former kicker. The Foundation Director could provide funds for the additional academic/athletic scholarships. Many of the larger universities also provide funds for sports such as frisbee competitions or what is named he Ultimate Disc games. YSU could control the athletic budget by providing only sports programs mandated by federal law. Furthermore, with the right expertise, YSU will greatly increase the YSU athletic revenues when YSU goes to the FBS/1a football program. RIght now the seats are 97% empty. There are more people on the sidelines than in the stands..............
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That is silly, YSU has a tradition. Status quo, is empty seats in the stands and mediocrity on the football field. It must be clear, very clear that the players prior to the 90's enabled the players of the 90's to achieve their remarkable results. The players. after the 90's tried their best. But, it was not the players fault. It was the administrators and coaches fault that the program slid in to the abyss. No, YSU needs to go to 1a and attract the area talent to play for a great tradition. The tradition must go on and move upward out of the abyss. New administrators and expert coaches are needed not defeatism.
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YSU has a tradition. Status quo, is empty seats in the stands and mediocrity on the football field. It must be clear, very clear that the players prior to the 90's enabled the players of the 90's to achieve their remarkable results. The players. after the 90's tried their best. But, it was not the players fault. It was the administrators and coaches fault that the program slid in to the abyss. No, YSU needs to go to 1a and attract the area talent to play for a great tradition. The tradition must go on and move upward out of the abyss. New administrators and expert coaches are needed not defeatism.
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YSU has no tradition. You cant win 4 championships in a decade only and say its a tradition. More like lightening in a bottle. And trying to do that twice ends badly. Defeatism is not needed, but neither are prideful, inflated expectations.
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We are NOT moving up people! That costs money... Money the university simply does not have and if they did, would rather use it on other things.
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Can we hire a coach that gets us to the FCS playoffs first?
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I think that patience is the key here. I believe that it is only a matter of time before the landscape of college football has some profound changes.
Certainly YSU does not have the cash to go to 1A as it is right now. In the same vain leagues like the mac do not belong in the same classification as the sec. At some point the real big boys will distant themselves from the 1A posers forcing the low end 1A schools to rethink. My guess would be that the low end 1A and top end 1AA will merge.
This does not mean that YSU will ever be in the mac because they just do not want us, real simple. But we would be able to play them home and home and that will help
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The only discussion I've heard over the past years was a move for football only which would be cheaper than doubling our athletic budget.
However, as it stands, I'm against such a move. We need to be a top level program in our conference consistently (ala UNI) before we get into that discussion.
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That is the best situation. However, YSU has passed those opportunities. Too many universities moved to FBS. YSU can not recruit the players to compete in FCS. The competition is too great with all the universities moving to FBS. The New Hampshires, the Dakotas and other far out regions of the U.S. have different recruiting possibilities. YSU can not compete with the far out regions of the U.S. recruiting areas. YSU needs to go to FBS. YSU will be very successful in FBS.
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Observer says YSU has no tradition. Are you being goofy to attract attention or do you seriously believe such.
YSU was one of the most recognized programs in the U.S. , that is tradition. Unfortunately there are many as yourself that are disgustingly cynical. Be positive, be supportive of a great program that can be successful again.
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That is the best situation. However, YSU has passed those opportunities. Too many universities moved to FBS. YSU can not recruit the players to compete in FCS. The competition is too great with all the universities moving to FBS. The New Hampshires, the Dakotas and other far out regions of the U.S. have different recruiting possibilities. YSU can not compete with the far out regions of the U.S. recruiting areas. YSU needs to go to FBS. YSU will be very successful in FBS.
You sound like a robot.
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All that money to play in the MAC on a Tuesday night in front of a couple of hundred people is madness. Akron made the move years ago and they are playing all of those "big name" programs and they invested in a football palace and yet no body, absolutely nobody in their community gives a rats behind for their program if butts in the seats is an indicator.
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Observer says YSU has no tradition. Are you being goofy to attract attention or do you seriously believe such.
YSU was one of the most recognized programs in the U.S. , that is tradition. Unfortunately there are many as yourself that are disgustingly cynical. Be positive, be supportive of a great program that can be successful again.
Used to have tradition for sure. Now no one cares and if they've heard about YSU its usually only connected to the Tressel era. YSU got left behind when they didn't move up after winning all the championships like most if not all the other teams did.
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The only people who remember we have 4 national championships are youngstown people......
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Would i like us to move up ...hell ya...but not happening without some big money boosters. Covelli gave what 10 mil to Ohio St. We dont have enough wealth in this area that has money to throw around. I have suggested to change our Name to NORTH East Ohio University so we could capitalize on a bigger market for $$$$.
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I doubt anyone on this blog knows the costs of YSU going to FBS football. Also, YSU does not need to go to the MAC. A better fit would most likely be Conference USA (East). Non conference games could be with MAC teams, Akron, Kent, Toledo etc.
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I watch ESPN and other channels that broadcast football games (sometimes FCS games). YSU is not always mentioned and that era, but quite often YSU is mentioned. However, time to move on and create a program that could be built on the memories of the 90s. The YSU alumni players, like Jaworski, McFadden,Stoudt, and hundreds of other players and hall of famers deserve such.
I doubt anyone on this blog knows the costs of YSU going to FBS football. Also, YSU does not need to go to the MAC. A better fit would most likely be Conference USA (East). Non conference games could be with MAC teams, Akron, Kent, Toledo etc.
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I doubt anyone on this blog knows the costs of YSU going to FBS football. Also, YSU does not need to go to the MAC. A better fit would most likely be Conference USA (East). Non conference games could be with MAC teams, Akron, Kent, Toledo etc.
Yes and no. It's because there is no stated expenditure minimum other than the scholarship requirements for all sports, and those requirements that exist are not solely about football. Technically, YSU is close to meeting the requirements (see below), but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea. There are D-I FBS programs running all sports in the area of $15-20 million, but no one we would deem successful at a high level. The minimum expenditure in Conference USA is about $25 million, about twice what YSU spends and it is questionable whether YSU can afford to spend what it does now. It's one thing to get some big donors to donate to a campaign so that we can spend $25 million some season--it's another to sustain that campaign indefinitely and also match cost increases. Also, there remains the distinct possibility that the FBS could split in two, essentially making all but the Big Five a Super FCS.
Of course, you could start charging $50 to $75 a ticket for a football game, but if you started that next season, don't think our attendance numbers are going to suddenly swell. It will be the opposite.
The actual requirements for a D-I school to be in the FBS are as follows:
1. Sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate sports, including football, based on the
minimum sports sponsorship and scheduling requirements set forth in Bylaw 20.
Sponsorship shall include a minimum six sports involving all male teams or mixed teams
(males and females), and a minimum of eight varsity intercollegiate teams involving all
female teams. Institutions may use up to two emerging sports to satisfy the required eight
varsity intercollegiate sports involving all female teams. [Bylaw 20.9.9.1]
2. Schedule and play at least 60 percent of its football contests against members of Football
Bowl Subdivision. Institutions shall schedule and play at least five regular season home
contests against FBS opponents. [Bylaw 20.9.9.2]
3. Average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football contests over a
rolling two-year period. [Bylaw 20.9.9.3]
4. Provide an average of at least 90 percent of the permissible maximum number of overall
football grants-in-aid per year over a rolling two-year period. [Bylaw 20.9.9.4-(a)]
5. Annually offer a minimum of 200 athletics grants-in-aid or expend at least four million
dollars on grants-in-aid to student-athletes in athletics programs. [Bylaw 20.9.9.4-(b)]
You can read more at https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Football%2BBowl%2BSubqa%2B12%2B8%2B10.pdf
My feeling. Let's do the best we can and enjoy it. No sense jeopardizing the financial state of the university to be something we aren't ready to be. If some works out a manageable solution, great. If they don't, I'll still be attending football games anyways. I even come in the rain and snow.
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SPIDERLEGS stated:Of course, you could start charging $50 to $75 a ticket for a football game, but if you started that next season, don't think our attendance numbers are going to suddenly swell. It will be the opposite.
However, Marshall a member of USA Conference sells prime seats for $25-35. With the proper marketing YSU could bring in probably .5 $ mil each home game. Ticket sales about $400,000, parking $10,000, Concessions $20,000, Tail Gaters $5000.00 not counting season tickets and lodges...........Tickets could be $20-35 not $50 to 75. YSU prior to the current debacles always put more than 15,000 fans in the seats.........time to go FBS
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This topic is getting almost ignorant.
1. There is not enough open funds for IA/FCS, but they could come up with it from the general fund. I for one would not want that. We are a school first.
2. We will hire THE best coach available for the resources that we can spend. If Urban Meyer calls tomorrow and says he wants the YSU job at $150k per year (plus incentives) ...there would be a press conference tomorrow night. IA/FBS or I-AA/FCS has absolutely nothing to do with it.
The expansion of our facilities and step up in conference should clearly point out to anyone that Strollo is thinking of the future. The obvious reason that any I-A/FBS conference would not have wanted us 20-years ago was the HS facilities we had. So instead of b****ing about the guy, realize that no other AD has ever done more to make this university athletically prosperous.
We act like the department is blind to all of the items that we discuss on this board ...they are not. Strollo knows more about attendance than any of us will ever know. BtW: it is not only YSU that suffers from this attrition ..we have multiple factors and I trust Strollo to address all of these. Also stop thinking that Tressel is you savior ...he will be involved with sports to the degree he is needed and not any more.
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SPIDERLEGS stated:Of course, you could start charging $50 to $75 a ticket for a football game, but if you started that next season, don't think our attendance numbers are going to suddenly swell. It will be the opposite.
However, Marshall a member of USA Conference sells prime seats for $25-35. With the proper marketing YSU could bring in probably .5 $ mil each home game. Ticket sales about $400,000, parking $10,000, Concessions $20,000, Tail Gaters $5000.00 not counting season tickets and lodges...........Tickets could be $20-35 not $50 to 75. YSU prior to the current debacles always put more than 15,000 fans in the seats.........time to go FBS
Maybe, but those things you suggest happen gradually. Price elasticity from Econ 101. And if you total your numbers, you're not making as much above current levels as you think. The big money comes from TV contracts.
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Now is not the time to worry about conferences or revenues.............What is important is that YSU hire a n experienced coach that can take the YSU football program to FBS. Also, YSU needs to hire an Athletics Dept Director that can take all athletics to their deserving levels. Look at YSU mens basketball. The team has had one winning season in the last 10 years. The winning season was because YSU played several lower division teams that year. I am not saying to fire the current Athletics Dept Director. I am saying lay off one of the asst Athletic Dept Directors, and move the current AD into an assistant role. Then YSU should hire an experienced FBS/Division type AD . YSU needs to rock the athletics boat before the boat sinks
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Im not quite sure what universe your residing in, but a University with massive budget problems is never, ever going to be able to excel in FBS. The sheer budget issues alone would make that impossible, let alone having zero name to recruit with. Marshall transistioned when they were the hottest thing going in FCS and look what happened there. Unless the university and donors see it prudent to up the operation budget of athletics by 12-15 million, plus 2 to 3 million for upgrades and facilities, YSU in the FBS is DOA.
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Actually, you should be more responsible and read all the posts on this subject. Also, you have no idea about the YSU budget. You also have no idea about the cost of going FBS. That is, whether or not it is too costly compared to the entire program staying in the abyss ,as it now is. ...........YSU's budget is fine. If YSU's budget was so dire, the administrators would eliminate some of the positions that could easily be combined or eliminated. Also, If and most likely when YSU's football goes FBS/1a, the revenues will increase greatly............Fans want to see quality football. Perhaps, it is you that lives in a lil make believe universe...........named Observer's Place.
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Folks, I am not particularly well-versed on internet communication terminology, but I believe that the phrase "Don't feed the troll" might apply here. The more we respond to this nonsense, the more we prolong this silliness.
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Actually I will be more responsible, and post what 10 minutes of google-ing can explain to you. Search YSU athletic budget, a couple of mouse clicks and you'll find, $13,540,369 for total expenditures. Now using that same mouse we can search Kent State athletic budget and we find $25,005,983.33 for total expenditures. So I'll allow you to use the mathematics in my universe to figure that little equation out.
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i feel dumber after reading 1a4ysu post's. That is all.
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Think about it though, within the next 5 years with all the renovations coming there is a strong possibility that YSU does move up to FBS. The only reason we did not move up to the MAC during and after the Tressel era is because Akron and Kent vetoed it because they do not want to compete with YSU for getting recruits. In terms of getting recruits, their only selling point over YSU is that they are an FBS school. That is the main reason why we are not playing in the MAC as we speak.
Basically Kent and Akron were scared of us in the 90s because of how we would whoop them on the field. Which is another reason why they don't want to schedule us
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I doubt YSU's football program will tolerate waiting 5 years to go FBS/1a. YSU football needs to go FBS within a year or less. When a new coach is hired, again another rebuilding process. For what to play FCS teams in the hinterlands.
Also, I appreciate that the monitors of this blog, remove the alleged participants that are name calling. Example, Wicks25O and Observer and any others using this blog to spew hatred.
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Actually I will be more responsible, and post what 10 minutes of google-ing can explain to you. Search YSU athletic budget, a couple of mouse clicks and you'll find, $13,540,369 for total expenditures. Now using that same mouse we can search Kent State athletic budget and we find $25,005,983.33 for total expenditures. So I'll allow you to use the mathematics in my universe to figure that little equation out.
A simple Google search of FBS requirements also shows that YSU doesn't meet the minimum requirements to go to FBS.
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YSU needs to change the stadium configuration. It would be best if a larger scoreboard be placed at the south end of the stadium. Then on the north end,of the stadium, stands can be built with a radius. At the same time the east and west sides of the stadium can be bridged by the new stands. As such, the stadium could have a horseshoe effect. Then the stadium nick name could be renamed the Lil Horseshoe. The stands would then be large enough to accommodate all of the fans. Fans, that want to see quality FBS football. Also, the brisk north winds would be blocked, making it somewhat more comfortable.
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It is kind of disappointing watching all the teams that YSU used to play that have moved up. Watching Marshal and Western Kentucky now....
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For sure, YSU should have been in the FBS/Ia sometime ago...................but now is the time to hire a coach and AD to take YSU to the level they belong.........Charlotte University plays a weaker FCS schedule then
YSU. In fact Charlotte U was 5-6 this year in the FCS. But, Charlotte is going to the FBS next year. Charlotte has only been in the FCS two years and now is going to FBS. Another thing, no more big money games for YSU if they stay in the FCS. In the FBS they can play a couple of big money games each year.
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mvfc penguin,
I am curious about the coming renovations you reference in your post?
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YSU needs to change the stadium configuration. It would be best if a larger scoreboard be placed at the south end of the stadium. Then on the north end,of the stadium, stands can be built with a radius. At the same time the east and west sides of the stadium can be bridged by the new stands. As such, the stadium could have a horseshoe effect. Then the stadium nick name could be renamed the Lil Horseshoe. The stands would then be large enough to accommodate all of the fans. Fans, that want to see quality FBS football. Also, the brisk north winds would be blocked, making it somewhat more comfortable.
Lol. In your dreams!
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For sure, YSU should have been in the FBS/Ia sometime ago...................but now is the time to hire a coach and AD to take YSU to the level they belong.........Charlotte University plays a weaker FCS schedule then
YSU. In fact Charlotte U was 5-6 this year in the FCS. But, Charlotte is going to the FBS next year. Charlotte has only been in the FCS two years and now is going to FBS. Another thing, no more big money games for YSU if they stay in the FCS. In the FBS they can play a couple of big money games each year.
Couldn't agree more !! If we were in the Mac-East right now know one could touch us. The East leader Bowling Green who I judge to be the best team in the M.A.C. just got hammered by Ball St. who got beat by Indiana st. earlier in the year. December is such a critical month in the recruiting process for Y.S.U. at the F.C.S.. level. Considering the current state of the program it should be a cause for concern. I know the university doesn't want to rush and get it right but they better hurry !!
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Sorry, I'm jumping in late here to the discussion but YSU to FCS is an absolutely ridiculous idea. When you consider the campus climate it makes the idea even more absurd. As someone who spends considerable time on campus (i.e. I work there), the climate regarding athletics isn't positive. The faculty union cited athletics and their increased spending as a main reason for their rejection of the latest contract proposal. They even had button mades highlighting their views.
(http://i.imgur.com/XUxBOJxs.jpg)
As a student I loved the idea of YSU moving up to FBS. However, once you take the fandom glasses off - you see there is no base of support on campus for the idea or a strong enough passion from an older and dwindling fan base. Increasing the athletic department budget in such a dramatic fashion would cause even greater unrest on campus and further the divide between the board of trustees, athletics, and the rest of the YSU campus community.
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Sorry, I'm jumping in late here to the discussion but YSU to FCS is an absolutely ridiculous idea. When you consider the campus climate it makes the idea even more absurd. As someone who spends considerable time on campus (i.e. I work there), the climate regarding athletics isn't positive. The faculty union cited athletics and their increased spending as a main reason for their rejection of the latest contract proposal. They even had button mades highlighting their views.
(http://i.imgur.com/XUxBOJxs.jpg)
As a student I loved the idea of YSU moving up to FBS. However, once you take the fandomn glasses off - you see their is no base of support on campus for the idea or a strong enough passion from an older and dwindling fan base. Increasing the athletic department budget in such a dramatic fashion would cause even greater unrest on campus and further the divide between the board of trustees, athletics, and the rest of the YSU campus community.
Some good ole fashioned common sense!! how refreshing!
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Moving to FBS will never happen, and should never happen. The money needed to make that jump is far too much and the community just fits FCS far better.
Why play football with no chance to win a national championship anyway?... I don't get it.
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Athletics distracts, and even subtracts, from the mission of a University...which should be higher education. Opportunities made available via athletic scholarships could still be made available through non-athletic means.
However, since in the universe we live in, college sports are the norm....sports can be a great way to obtain widespread positive publicity for a school. During the 90s, while a grad student in DC, people would come up to me when I'd be wearing a YSU shirt and tell me about how they watched them on TV.
I'd either go all in or all out. Either strive for excellence or put those resources toward academics. The Slocum-ization of MBB, and the embrace of mediocrity, reflects poorly on the University....as an example.
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Hypothetical: Do you think Ohio State's enrollment applications would be equal if their entire athletic program were wiped out??? Absolutely not. The same holds true, albeit to a lesser extent, for most all D1 colleges.
I'm a firm believer that academics come before athletics, but I'm 100% against the movement by some in academia to eliminate athletics altogether. I don't see coaches with tenure.
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mvfc penguin,
I am curious about the coming renovations you reference in your post?
talking about the new scoreboard, new lighting, new turf coming soon, expansion of the away side stands
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mvfc penguin,
I am curious about the coming renovations you reference in your post?
talking about the new scoreboard, new lighting, new turf coming soon, expansion of the away side stands
New scoreboard and new lighting are true.
New turf??? Absolutely not. We just got new turf 3-4 years ago.
Away side expansion??? Yeah because those 1,000 people at the November home games warrants such an expansion. Not happening.
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I can't believe this was a 5 page discussion.
There is no chance on Earth the Penguins will convert to IA/BCS football. If we didn't do it in the hay day of the program 15-20 years ago, we aren't going to do it now while the program is scraping rock bottom.
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mvfc penguin,
I am curious about the coming renovations you reference in your post?
talking about the new scoreboard, new lighting, new turf coming soon, expansion of the away side stands
New scoreboard and new lighting are true.
New turf??? Absolutely not. We just got new turf 3-4 years ago.
Away side expansion??? Yeah because those 1,000 people at the November home games warrants such an expansion. Not happening.
Do you see anything that every team in the conference has that we do not on our turf??? There is no Conference logo on our turf, plus the turf has so many seams on it that it is unsafe.
And as far as the away side goes... Just something that has been in discussion.
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I can't believe this was a 5 page discussion.
There is no chance on Earth the Penguins will convert to IA/BCS football. If we didn't do it in the hay day of the program 15-20 years ago, we aren't going to do it now while the program is scraping rock bottom.
@CoachSamz: UAB dropping football while numerous FCS programs are lining up to move to FBS is just crazy
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New scoreboard and lighting are good to go. Expansion?? Lol @ that.
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what they need is to add bleacher seating in the stadium with backs for the non penguin club section, this will help get people to come out and enjoy the game
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I am a cheerleader. There are all kinds of rumors about making the stadium larger. I think that our team is
going to another conference. I like sports. I do my studies and sports. People who just want to study
are bores. They are anti sports and don't want to spend money on us. But but most of the sports pay for a lot of their expenses. Teachers and students who say academics first, don't pay for anything. Most of the money comes from the state. Sports are not allowed to receive money from the state. I hope we do change conferences. I would like to visit the big campuses........
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Nope. Too easy.
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Nope. Too easy.
LOL
and with that said in all seriousness:
GOPENNY, this should really be another thread, but in your game travels, what features of other stadiums would you like to see at Youngstown should they renovate?
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Not so much the stadiums, but the campuses. Kent State has a gorgeous wide open campus. Illinois has a very pretty campus, with so many stately buildings.
But, Illinois's stadium was hmmmmmm about 5 times larger than YSU's stadium. With large video screens all around. More than the size of the stadium, is the excitement in the stadium. I think there were 40,000 fans at the game. It was so exciting. Any how some games are exciting and fun, some are not so fun.
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Not so much the stadiums, but the campuses. Kent State has a gorgeous wide open campus. Illinois has a very pretty campus, with so many stately buildings.
But, Illinois's stadium was hmmmmmm about 5 times larger than YSU's stadium. With large video screens all around. More than the size of the stadium, is the excitement in the stadium. I think there were 40,000 fans at the game. It was so exciting. Any how some games are exciting and fun, some are not so fun.
Illinois's is the B1G (1FBS) and YSU is in the MVFC (1FCS).. No one outside of NDSU has ever been heard of lately/relevant this decade.. YSU will never get 15K "BUTTS" in the seats again unless they start making the playoffs and upgrade the schedule to better local/regional 1 FCS/FBS programs that have a good fan base that is willing to travel. There are not many of us loyal old timers left that is going to support the current way the football program has migrated towards. I'll throw this back at the cheerleaders/students.. Where in the hell are you all at the home games?? Lucky to see 200 students :-X
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Oh, there was a lot of fans at the St. Francis game. It was a very exciting game. YSU scored many, many times. There was a lot of students at that game too. It was the best game. I do not know why students quick going to the other games. The students do pay for their tickets when they pay school tuition. You would think they would go the tickets, I think is their ID.
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Is this thread ever going to end? All it is is complainers and one person logging in multiple times under different aliases :)
I do not even want to go anywhere until we are a dominant force at the IA/FCS level. Nor do I want to leave the MVFC,as we will be forever branded as cowards ..and rightfully so. Higher the most coach for the money that you have to offer. Drop another $100k in his post-season purse ...$25k for each round victory. Now you have $400k to offer. Also about another 12 high-caliber resumes to read. Although this has probably already been done and the new coach is chosen.
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ysubigred another really, really good game was the Butler game. Like the St. Francis game there were thousands of fans not 200 like you say. There were a lot of students at the Butler game too!!!. YSU scored a lot of touchdowns. Maybe the reason quit coming was they changed the one guy. The quarterback. He was really good in these two games. Then he was changed. I think he was hurt maybe. The other one is cute, but the older one was really really good.
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The problem with our students is that they are TOO drunk to make it through an entire game.
Well that and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE!!!!
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The problem with our students is that they are TOO drunk to make it through an entire game.
Well that and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE!!!!
;)
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The problem with our students is that they are TOO drunk to make it through an entire game.
Well that and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE!!!!
The problem is I don't drink and should have been drunk for the last three games. That and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE.
Drunk college kids. Who would have thought?
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The problem with our students is that they are TOO drunk to make it through an entire game.
Well that and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE!!!!
The problem is I don't drink and should have been drunk for the last three games. That and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE.
Drunk college kids. Who would have thought?
One of my students was very supportive for the football program. He went to every home game as well as the Pitt game last year. Most of the time, he would lose his voice (from shouting too much on Saturdays) in my Monday classes.
He did not go to a single game this year because he was disappointed in the coaching staff.
If he was indicative of our typically student body, that might be the reason why they did not attend the games.
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I don't think students attend a YSU football game to get drunk. The students go for the fun. Alcohol is not allowed in the stadium. I think alcohol is only allowed in the private suites. Maybe those fans get drunk. But students would be asked to leave, if they are drinking in the stadium. There must be other reasons why the fans quit attending football games, especially after the September games. Maybe, the sports dept should do a survey to find out why students do not come. A survey can also be sent to players from the past years and other alumni.
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I don't think students attend a YSU football game to get drunk. The students go for the fun. Alcohol is not allowed in the stadium. I think alcohol is only allowed in the private suites. Maybe those fans get drunk. But students would be asked to leave, if they are drinking in the stadium. There must be other reasons why the fans quit attending football games, especially after the September games. Maybe, the sports dept should do a survey to find out why students do not come. A survey can also be sent to players from the past years and other alumni.
You must be blind if you think that students do not drink before the game and get plastered before the 50 of them fill the worst student section in the conference.
The student section was only good for one game this year and that was the Southern Illinois game when the student section was going hard for their typical first half of football with their 'penguin calls'.
Another reason nobody comes to games after September is because YSU has so many "fair weather" fans that once YSU loses one game people become less interested in YSU and more interested in Ohio State and High School Football.
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The problem with our students is that they are TOO drunk to make it through an entire game.
Well that and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE!!!!
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.
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Oh no way, is it the fans fault that the YSU football team is not winning or in the playoffs. I have seen other coaches they seem to be more passionate about teaching players to perform their plays. That passion for the game must come from the coach, I would think. Maybe the coaches are not teaching the players the type of plays to help them be successful. That is not the fans fault.
I thought maybe Mark Pelini who played at Cardinal Mooney would come back to this area. But, my cousin said he was paid three million to coach at Nebraska University. She also said most of the assistant coaches he had were paid around $250,000 yeah dollars, each. Hmmmmm I guess maybe the guy from Mount Union would be a good coach. I wonder how much he would want to coach at YSU?
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?? Mark Pelini ?? He is reserve center ...probably go into coaching someday.. Carl Pelini is in consideration for YSU job, but he will never overcome "weedgate". Bo will make more sitting at home than he would in 9-years at YSU.
Good assistants can make a million ...like Pat Narduzzi at Michigan State. Funny you guys are not bringing him up again. LOL
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I checked with my cousin, she knows the family. Oh, no Bo, is the coach's nickname. His name I think she said is Mark Anthony Pelini. The coach's son, she said is also Mark. He plays for Nebraska and his dad. I don't think the player Pelini is ready to be a coach, I think it is dad Mark senior.
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Good assistants can make a million ...like Pat Narduzzi at Michigan State. Funny you guys are not bringing him up again. LOL
My friend's uncle knows or knew Pat Narduzzi. She said her uncle says that Pat Narduzzi played for his dad. Pat Narduzzi's dad was Bill. My friends uncle said that Pat Narduzzi played for his dad during the Coach's final year at YSU in 1984 or 1985. I am not sure what year she said. My friends uncle says that Pat Narduzzi's salary at Michigan State University is around $513,000 not a million. That is what he says. Not a million.
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Good assistants can make a million ...like Pat Narduzzi at Michigan State. Funny you guys are not bringing him up again. LOL
My friend's uncle knows or knew Pat Narduzzi. She said her uncle says that Pat Narduzzi played for his dad. Pat Narduzzi's dad was Bill. My friends uncle said that Pat Narduzzi played for his dad during the Coach's final year at YSU in 1984 or 1985. I am not sure what year she said. My friends uncle says that Pat Narduzzi's salary at Michigan State University is around $513,000 not a million. That is what he says. Not a million.
Try $904,000: http://archive.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20140225/GW01/302250046/MSU-nearly-doubles-pay-Dantonio-Narduzzi
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just a shot in the dark...1a4ysu and GoPenny the same person?
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Very perceptive hoops. And throw in a few additional names as well. All one person.
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just a shot in the dark...1a4ysu and GoPenny the same person?
Both seem to sound like robots.
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just a shot in the dark...1a4ysu and GoPenny the same person?
Both seem to sound like robots.
my thought exactly. As a Penguin and Gopher fan these coaching searches are killing me. I don't think Jerry Kill is a "sexy" choice for these bigger programs but there is nothing "sexy" about Jerry Kill....but all he does in win.
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The problem with our students is that they are TOO drunk to make it through an entire game.
Well that and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE!!!!
The problem is I don't drink and should have been drunk for the last three games. That and the fact that our marketing department is TERRIBLE.
Drunk college kids. Who would have thought?
One of my students was very supportive for the football program. He went to every home game as well as the Pitt game last year. Most of the time, he would lose his voice (from shouting too much on Saturdays) in my Monday classes.
He did not go to a single game this year because he was disappointed in the coaching staff.
If he was indicative of our typically student body, that might be the reason why they did not attend the games.
Hmmmmmmmm you may have something there?
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COACH MARROW, COACH MARROW he is our man
COACH MARROW, COACH MARROW if he can't do it
NOBODY can.
I think he is my favorite. He is doing really fine at Kentucky
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I am locking this topic as there are too many duplications