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YSU is going to be a 2 or 3 seed with a first round bye and a home game. YSU could end up in a 3-way or 2-way tie for the regular season title if Oakland would lose to Detroit, but still can only be a 2 or 3 seed. We need Milwaukee to beat GB at home on Saturday to get the 2 seed. Milwaukee can't improve their seeding, but you hope will want to beat their rival and guarantee themselves of a winning record.
So barring some crazy upsets, it would appear YSU will play Milwaukee, PFW or CSU. I'm not sure who I'd rather see us play. It took OT to beat Milwaukee twice and I feel they are the most dangerous team that won't get the first round bye. We've struggled with PFW in recent years. CSU has talent, but plays pretty inconsistent basketball.
One advantage you hope YSU has is they are the only team that doesn't play Saturday so in a way they almost get a double bye when it comes to rest. Milwaukee, PFW & CSU are all at home though on Saturday and of course on Tuesday
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I prefer to play CSU at home. UWM played us tough this year and PFW is a very talented and dangerous team (they had a net ranking of 52 in the beginning of the season).
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I prefer to play CSU at home. UWM played us tough this year and PFW is a very talented and dangerous team (they had a net ranking of 52 in the beginning of the season).
I would agree with that. PFW is 152 in the net now, CSU 203 and Milwaukee at 241. If Milwaukee loses at home to GB they will drop event more. YSU dropped 4 spots to 128 after their Detroit win. I just looked at they were 127 last year.
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Here's the math...
YSU will finish as the #2 seed in the Horizon League Tournament with a Green Bay loss to Milwaukee.
YSU will finish as the #3 seed in the Horizon League Tournament with a Green Bay win over Milwaukee.
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Here is the bracket https://horizonleague.org/documents/2023/8/25/2024_Men_s_Basketball_Bracket_8_25_23.pdf (https://horizonleague.org/documents/2023/8/25/2024_Men_s_Basketball_Bracket_8_25_23.pdf)
With YSU getting the #2 seed, the only thing that is certain is we won't play the winner of Milwaukee/Detroit.
Most likely it would appear YSU will be playing CSU.
The only way YSU would play IUPUI is if BOTH Detroit and IUPUI win and we all know the chances of that happening.
If Detroit OR IUPUI wins, then YSU would get the winner of PFW/Robert Morris.
The one thing at least about being the #2 seed is if there is an upset in the first round and that team then could knock off Oakland then YSU would be the beneficiary getting to play them.
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I'd rather us playing CSU instead of PFW. We smashed them at home whereas we lost to pfw on the road and barely beat them at home. Cleveland st is a good match up for us. Just my thoughts
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I'd rather us playing CSU instead of PFW. We smashed them at home whereas we lost to pfw on the road and barely beat them at home. Cleveland st is a good match up for us. Just my thoughts
Yes, I also prefer to play CSU. Not only that we have already beaten them at home this season, PFW was ranked near #50 in NET in the beginning of the season. However, having said that, playing PFW at YSU would eliminate the possibility of facing them in their home court later in the tournament.
I considered the regular season results are for tournament seeding only. Any of the top 6 teams who “peaked at the right time” are capable of winning the whole thing and join the big dance.
I don’t even think any other team in this league will even be considered for the NIT. There are plenty more power 5 teams left to be selected for the NIT bringing in higher revenue than the mid major teams.
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Is this not the best possible bracket for YSU? Barring an unlikely first round upset, to reach the championship game Oakland would need to beat Fort Wayne at home and probably Wright State in Indianapolis. We would need to get through Cleveland at home and then Milwaukee/Green Bay on the neutral court.
All-League selections are now out. Burns and Reid made second team, Thompson was third team, and Dynes was on the All-freshman team. Burns and Dynes also made the all-defensive team.
Slap in the face to Burns and YSU. How do you AVERAGE a double-double; record a double-double in 16 of the 20 league games, make the all-defensive team, and NOT earn a spot on the league first team?
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I'd rather us playing CSU instead of PFW. We smashed them at home whereas we lost to pfw on the road and barely beat them at home. Cleveland st is a good match up for us. Just my thoughts
Yes, I also prefer to play CSU. Not only that we have already beaten them at home this season, PFW was ranked near #50 in NET in the beginning of the season. However, having said that, playing PFW at YSU would eliminate the possibility of facing them in their home court later in the tournament.
I considered the regular season results are for tournament seeding only. Any of the top 6 teams who “peaked at the right time” are capable of winning the whole thing and join the big dance.
I don’t even think any other team in this league will even be considered for the NIT. There are plenty more power 5 teams left to be selected for the NIT bringing in higher revenue than the mid major teams.
Indiana Farmers Coliseum is IUPUI's home court not PFW. It's 2 hours and 15 mins from PFW.
Yeah I tend to agree on the NIT. I don't think any team would have a strong enough resume to even be considered. For YSU it probably would have needed wins against Louisiana and Dayton, at least wins against Oakland and Green Bay at home, maybe another road win or two, and a loss in the title game of the tourney to even have a remote shot.
It will be interesting though if a lot of the teams that get selected for the NIT bail out.
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Is this not the best possible bracket for YSU? Barring an unlikely first round upset, to reach the championship game Oakland would need to beat Fort Wayne at home and probably Wright State in Indianapolis. We would need to get through Cleveland at home and then Milwaukee/Green Bay on the neutral court.
All-League selections are now out. Burns and Reid made second team, Thompson was third team, and Dynes was on the All-freshman team. Burns and Dynes also made the all-defensive team.
Slap in the face to Burns and YSU. How do you AVERAGE a double-double; record a double-double in 16 of the 20 league games, make the all-defensive team, and NOT earn a spot on the league first team?
The semis are reseeded as well so if Milwaukee wins in the first 2 rounds and Oakland wins in the quarters, they would be playing them not YSU.
Though YSU hasn't played GB with Reynolds, I'd much rather see YSU play GB than either Wright St or NKU. I think it could be tough for YSU to beat WS 3 times. And I think the same could be said for Oakland beating YSU 3 times. NKU has had a lot of success in the tourney.
Of note with NKU, they already lost Sam Vinson earlier in the season due to injury now I see Cade Meyer left the program and Keeyan Itejere is injured. Those 3 combined to avg 26 points.
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Indiana Farmers Coliseum is IUPUI's home court not PFW. It's 2 hours and 15 mins from PFW.
Yeah I tend to agree on the NIT. I don't think any team would have a strong enough resume to even be considered. For YSU it probably would have needed wins against Louisiana and Dayton, at least wins against Oakland and Green Bay at home, maybe another road win or two, and a loss in the title game of the tourney to even have a remote shot.
It will be interesting though if a lot of the teams that get selected for the NIT bail out.
[ meant to imply PFW has the home field advantage because, like IUPUI, they both are part of the Purdue connections within the state of Indiana.
I understand that it iwill be difficult to beat Wright State 3 times in a single season. But, I think it is also difficult for Oakland to beat Ysu 3 times in the same season (with the 3rd time being in a neutral court. If you recall, Oakland won at YSU with an incredible shooting night from beyond the 3 point line (almost 80%). I really do not believe they could do it again.
We need to play good perimeter defense. With the lack of height of Langdon, coach might need to put in Farmer and Lovelace early and frequently.
Go penguins.
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CSU it is. Got my tickets Monday. Hopefully we have a strong showing from fans. Women's for 1st time this year drew less than 1k for a playoff game. But no promotions and time to get kids to the game. Students are on break so it is up to the casual/diehards to come out in full force. We should see a handful of CSU fans in the stands as well.
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I expect a big crowd, not sure if it'll be as big as last year's 5584 crowd. While the crowds have been good all year, they haven't seemed as big as last year's. Not sure if it was just the newness of having such a great team, first national home TV game, coming off a regular season championship, and then of course the NIT game.
I'm sure the fact that it's CSU instead of PFW will bring in more CSU people. It's also somewhat of a break for CSU because they played at home Saturday and of course last night and then the short travel. I think it would have been a lot harder if say they had to travel on Saturday and then a further travel to YSU.
I hope the week off for YSU isn't a detriment. I'm worried we come out sluggish on offense, but hopefully we can play good defense and feed off the crowd.
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Mudclods I agree that they layoff might be an issue but coaches know how to manage that I hope. I don't expect a blow out this time but a nail bitter to the end. We played poor in Cleveland but good here against them. I hope coach Calhoun had an idea it was going to be Cleveland so we are prepared. Interesting to see if Dynes starts for the 4th time and not Rush. It has worked so far. Wear red everyone. Red out the Beeghly
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We have to contain Tristan E. To some extent. He is a future NBA player.
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We have to contain Tristan E. To some extent. He is a future NBA player.
He can take over games, but over the last 2 years I've seen games where he's struggled shooting the ball.
I'd be surprised if he makes the NBA. He has averaged 20 ppg this year, but for his 5 year career he's avg 9.5 ppg, he's under 70% from the FT line, and 26% from 3. He's avg 6.5 rebounds the last 2 years and 4.1 for his career. He was at Kansas his 1st 2 years then at Iowa St in his 3rd year and followed his coach Danyial Robinson to CSU.
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Really like Enaruna and he was a great transfer for CSU. His achillies heel might be his perimeter game that will more than likely make him an over the seas player. If that area gets better with time then perhaps he'll make the league. Great at taking it to the hoop. Like pride said he's the guy we have to slow down.
CSU has a few good knockdown 3 point shooters and the D needs to swarm to these guys. YSU likes to get into transition and so does YSU so the no-brainer point is that the better defensive team will get the W.
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Really like Enaruna and he was a great transfer for CSU. His achillies heel might be his perimeter game that will more than likely make him an over the seas player. If that area gets better with time then perhaps he'll make the league. Great at taking it to the hoop. Like pride said he's the guy we have to slow down.
CSU has a few good knockdown 3 point shooters and the D needs to swarm to these guys. YSU likes to get into transition and so does YSU so the no-brainer point is that the better defensive team will get the W.
His weakness is definitely his shooting. He can take over a game inside. Hopefully YSU can force him to take mid-range shots where he can struggle.
In YSU's last 3 losses they've given up 82, 84 & 81. In their last 10 wins, they've held opponents to 77 or less every game other than the 2 OT games against Milwaukee.
In CSU's last 3 losses, they've only scored 73 or less.
CSU is only 5-10 on the road this year with really their only good road win to PFW by 3.
Defense is going to win the tourney. I think if YSU can hold them to the low 70s, we'll be in good shape.
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According to Fan Duel as of this evening
Interesting that YSU is an 8.5 point favorite, while Oakland is only a 3.5 favorite against PFW.
Wright St is a 7.5 point favorite against NKU and Green Bay is only a 1.5 point favorite against Milwaukee.
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I hate to say this but we should beat Cleveland St tonight as long as we play solid defense. Defense is the key to victory in the tournament and post season in general. Lot of lower scores in the tournaments in college basketball
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No defense no win.
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8 days off concerning too. Cleveland state should wear down come 2nd half because they played Tuesday night.
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The line is up to 9.5 now.
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10.5 before tip
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I'm not getting the game on espn Plus. they're showing Oakland. >:(
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Same here! What the hell is going on!
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Same here! What the hell is going on!
Both YSU-csu and Oak-pfw both are showing Oakland game.
Most be a screwed up from the feed.
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They just switched back to the YSU game.
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Apparently Tristan Enaruna is out for CSU thus the line going to 10.5. Hasn't mattered yet.
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Not much defense are being played by both teams in the first 10 minutes.
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Quit shooting those quick 3s
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Just 2-13 from 3 while CSU is 5-10. That & some bad turnovers are the difference.
Any word on why Enaruna is out?
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No idea what is a player control foul, versus a blocking call.
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What an embarrassment!
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Disgusting loss and CSU deserved it. Home floor and CSU best player out. Ziggy and Thompson were sub-standard. Out rebounded and out fought . Nice season but it seems meaningless as of right now. Will YSU EVER make the NCAA Tournament ? Not sure in my life time.
Crowed and DJ Burns showed up and that's about it.
Not sure if or what weenie tournament YSU might go to.
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Do not deserve to be in any tournament after this!
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As I have said all season, we just do not have a go to guy who can take over the game ( i.e. Cohill last year). We really do not deserve for the university to spend lots of $$ to buy us into another postseason game in view of the tight budget. This has been a good season and unfortunately, we didn’t peak at the right time.
We will see what we can do next year. Go Penguins, I am ready for football…
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Biggest game of the season and everything on the line and played the worst game of the season outside of the Michigan game...first double digit loss since that game. It's hard to wrap your head when you consider CSU was playing their 3rd game in 6 days on the road without their best player. YSU's last 2 home losses came without both teams' best player.
CSU outrebounded YSU 38-32, but it sure felt a lot more as they seemed to get every loose ball and hustle play went their way. Turnovers were killer so many terrible passes. Points off turnovers were 16-5 in favor of YSU.
5-31 from 3 that's just unimaginable. DJ had a hell of game but was only 4-8 from the line.
To have the teams that YSU has had the last 2 years and not even make it past the semis is rough. And that's 2 out of the last 3 years losing at home in the tourney, once to an underdog RMU and now a 10.5 underdog in CSU without their best player.
This loss just really stings. For as much as Coach has done turning YSU basketball into a winner, it's just demoralizing to not even be able to ever get to the Horizon League title game
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Taking 31 3's is unimaginable and the very reason YSU is going home.
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I never felt confident with this years team. I know the portal has changed everything, but there were too many one-year "rent a players" on this team. There was no real inside game, unlike last years team. If we were not hitting the three, we were in big trouble. Too many poor shooting games. Last year I thought we could play anyone in the country and not be embarrassed. Last year's team was special. This year not so much. But I really thought we would win the Horizon Tournament.
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Tough loss. We played our butts off but the refs were destined to call every thing on us and missed blatant calls on CSU. Hats off to the vikings prepared for us with just one day prep and didn't even have Tristan to boot. It felt like we couldn't get over the hump all night. Maybe we will have one of the pay to play tournaments come calling. We deserve it. Not in a position for the NIT due to the NIT normally goes off of the NET RANKINGS. We shall see. Are we ever going to sniff the Ncaa tournament? Feel bad for the players.
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As I have said all season, we just do not have a go to guy who can take over the game ( i.e. Cohill last year). We really do not deserve for the university to spend lots of $$ to buy us into another postseason game in view of the tight budget. This has been a good season and unfortunately, we didn’t peak at the right time.
We will see what we can do next year. Go Penguins, I am ready for football…
I agree 100% with this. As good as this year's team was I never had the confidence like I did with last year's team. And like you said, I felt that team could compete with anyone and could have been dangerous if they made the NCAA. And really how they played OSU last year showed.
This year's team just didn't have that dominating feel, couldn't win the close games, didn't have that guy to take over or bail us out. Coach had said earlier in the week he felt like if they got in the tourney they could be dangerous and no one would want to play us, but I'm not so sure.
While we were able to win the national TV games against Wright St, getting swept by Oakland and getting beat by Green Bay & CSU at home without their 2 best players were the daggers. Just didn't feel like we were playing the best ball down the stretch, even the wins against RMU & Detroit weren't the greatest.
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Tough loss. We played our butts off but the refs were destined to call every thing on us and missed blatant calls on CSU. Hats off to the vikings prepared for us with just one day prep and didn't even have Tristan to boot. It felt like we couldn't get over the hump all night. Maybe we will have one of the pay to play tournaments come calling. We deserve it. Not in a position for the NIT due to the NIT normally goes off of the NET RANKINGS. We shall see. Are we ever going to sniff the Ncaa tournament? Feel bad for the players.
I thought it was pretty poorly officiated, but that wasn't why YSU lost. There were some bad no calls YSU and it seemed like every 50-50 call went CSU's way.
Every time it seemed like YSU could go on a run, they'd have a bad turnover or CSU would drain a shot at the end of the shot clock or get offensive rebounds. It was the story of the entire game and why once YSU got down a few possessions they just couldn't basically get away from being down 5 or 6.
I kept waiting on a big run, but it never materialized. Thought there was an opportunity at the end of the first half to get it down further than 6. I really thought we'd come out locked in in the 2nd half and go on a run. Made some stops on defense early on, but couldn't score, and the rest of the game played out how it was going.
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Yes, it was a disappointing season but just think we won over 20 games had a home game for the tournament and we’re disappointed. The program is in the right direction. Even in these crazy times with the pay for play college athlete. It’s gonna be hard to develop and keep, those players by the way we used to recruit because if they become good, they’re gonna go to the money at least Coach Calhoun figured out a way to make us relevant if we can keep them and put together two or three more years than it becomes a true basketball program and then You can recruit and develop and keep hopefully a few of those kids and then use the portal. The fill in the cracks time will tell.
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poor effort poor defense too many 3's Burns plays hard every game
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Well the Horizon League Championship came down to the team that was the most consistently best all season in Oakland and the hottest team in Milwaukee, who had won 6 straight & 8 of 9. It was no surprise the game was basically within 3 points either way much of the game with Oakland pulling away to win by 7 basically in the final minute as it was a 2 point game with under 2 mins to play.
Oakland deserved this as I said was the most consistent team all year. How long has it been since someone won both the regular season & tourney? Oakland always play a tough non conference schedule and are always tough in the regular season, but disappear in the tournament. Hard to believe this is their first NCAA tournament since 2010 before they were in the Horizon.
They are 23-11 but counting league play and the tourney they went 18-5 against Horizon League teams. Their non-conference losses were to Ohio State by 6, Illinois by 11, Drake by 8, Toledo by 1, Michigan St & Dayton. And they beat Xavier
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And they had a lot of returning players as well. Not too many Portal players. They are still young too. Going to be tough to keep pace with them next year as well.
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I've been depressed for a week now. Did Calhoun have any type of press conference yet? Other than the end of game comments, I haven't seen an interview or read anything in the paper. He talked about this years team from the beginning as if they could walk on water - obviously they sank. I want to hear from him, in his opinion, what went wrong and in the future will he sign so many 1-year and done players. This years team really made me appreciate last years team.
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Milwaukee is returning virtually everyone as well. League will be really strong next year. GreenBay young as well. We were the oldest team in the league by leaps and bounds. Another total rebuild by Calhoun again
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Not another press conference yet.. when are we going to be and wil we accept an invite from a pay to play tournament? Someone in the know will have to let the casual fan know what is going on.
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Calhoun and staff need to go after 3 point shooters and defenders in the off season.
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I've been depressed for a week now. Did Calhoun have any type of press conference yet? Other than the end of game comments, I haven't seen an interview or read anything in the paper. He talked about this years team from the beginning as if they could walk on water - obviously they sank. I want to hear from him, in his opinion, what went wrong and in the future will he sign so many 1-year and done players. This years team really made me appreciate last years team.
Been thinking the same.
And obviously the NIT is out of the picture. I'm not sure there is any other option other than the CBI. In one of those end of the year press conferences it kind of seemed like NCAA or bust.
Before Oakland, we were the only team to beat Milwaukee in the last 9 games. Considering we couldn't beat CSU at home without their best player, even had we won I don't think we could have beat NKU, Milwaukee or Oakland.
We need tougher players and better shooters. Those teams all had a go to guy too which we didn't this year
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From what I've heard, the team has decided to sit out any potential smaller postseason tournaments. The cost is too high to do so and most of the team is leaving the program because they're seniors. Had this team been younger, they would have taken the added cost to help grow the team. Being that this was an older team, wasn't worth the money to go play in a meaningless tournament.
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You can only go to the well so many times for $$$$$. Im sure the guys that are paying for the Beeghly upgrades are also the guys that would pay for the tournament.
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Both of the above comments are what I was thinking.
Coach was all about the opportunity in the past about playing in post season then COVID ruined an appearance in the CIT, then it was getting into The Basketball Classic, and the NIT last year.
Add in the fact that both the CIT and TBC are gone and the NIT has thumbed its nose at mid majors.
I just get the feeling there's a lot of disappointment & evaluations going on.
I love Coach Calhoun and what he's done for basketball and the team has basically improved every year and played well down the stretch until conference play and tournament play. It has to be frustrating cause I know how it is for all of us the fact of only one semi-final appearance since he's been here for 7 years despite 5 straight winning seasons.
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As great of a coach Calhoun is we have stumbled in the post season tournament in our own league. Frustrating. Tired of hearing maybe next year. That ship has sailed years ago. Less portal players and more JUCO/HIGH SCHOOL kids are needed so we don't have to go through the process again and again. Just my thoughts. We wouldn't be in the spot had we not had Calhoun. We have to look at what he and his staff have brought to Ysu. Recruiting season has begun.
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As great of a coach Calhoun is we have stumbled in the post season tournament in our own league. Frustrating. Tired of hearing maybe next year. That ship has sailed years ago. Less portal players and more JUCO/HIGH SCHOOL kids are needed so we don't have to go through the process again and again. Just my thoughts. We wouldn't be in the spot had we not had Calhoun. We have to look at what he and his staff have brought to Ysu. Recruiting season has begun.
Losing at home in the tourney 2 of the last 3 years as considerable favorites is what stings the most let alone just 1 semi-final appearance.
So I guess the CIT tournament is back https://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/schedule-results.php (https://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/schedule-results.php)
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I guess if it makes us feel any better, Toledo has won the MAC regular season title 4 straight years and has lost in the tourney every year. They've went to the NIT the last 3, but might be tough this year with the changes & especially losing to Kent St today that hasn't been good this year. They haven't made the tourney since 1980.