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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: Brother on November 26, 2016, 10:13:45 PM
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I’m not sure how many of you will be making the trip to Jacksonville, but you will find us to be a pretty welcoming bunch. Very impressed with your team. I think you will be the most athletic defensive team we have faced since LSU. Safe travels for those of you making the trip.
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I’m not sure how many of you will be making the trip to Jacksonville, but you will find us to be a pretty welcoming bunch. Very impressed with your team. I think you will be the most athletic defensive team we have faced since LSU. Safe travels for those of you making the trip.
Can you give us a bit of a scouting report on your squad? All I've heard was that you have a lot of transfers and most of last years starters back. I did see a couple of your playoff games last year and you had some impressive looking players all over the field.
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We have had a lot of success. Unbeaten in conference play for the past couple of years.
The only FCS loss we have had in two years is the championship game loss to NDSU last year. We do have a large number of FBS transfers. It’s almost a necessity for us to get high quality players. There are so many FBS schools in our area that they sign up most of the good players. Many of those find out later that a school like JSU is better for them and transfer to us.
Like YSU, our defense is the strength of the team this year. Very stingy against the run. Pass defense is pretty good also, but we tend to give up a big play once or twice per game. We’re not very disciplined overall and commit a lot of penalties. It’s been an ongoing problem. We are very aggressive though.
Offensively, we want to run the ball and we have a loaded backfield. Our quarterback is a great leader and is a dual threat. The receivers are adequate with the exception of Josh Barge. He is tremendous. Catches anything that is close to him. We have had kicking game struggles all year, especially field goals and extra points.
Overall, we have performed well enough to win but we always seem like we are just not hitting on all cylinders on offense and special teams. Defense has been playing so well though that they refuse to let us lose. I don’t know if we can get anything going offensively against your defense or not. We have the capability but just haven’t really done it with any consistency this year.
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Bo says Moss and Wright should be full go for this weeks game.
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We have had a lot of success. Unbeaten in conference play for the past couple of years.
The only FCS loss we have had in two years is the championship game loss to NDSU last year. We do have a large number of FBS transfers. It’s almost a necessity for us to get high quality players. There are so many FBS schools in our area that they sign up most of the good players. Many of those find out later that a school like JSU is better for them and transfer to us.
Like YSU, our defense is the strength of the team this year. Very stingy against the run. Pass defense is pretty good also, but we tend to give up a big play once or twice per game. We’re not very disciplined overall and commit a lot of penalties. It’s been an ongoing problem. We are very aggressive though.
Offensively, we want to run the ball and we have a loaded backfield. Our quarterback is a great leader and is a dual threat. The receivers are adequate with the exception of Josh Barge. He is tremendous. Catches anything that is close to him. We have had kicking game struggles all year, especially field goals and extra points.
Overall, we have performed well enough to win but we always seem like we are just not hitting on all cylinders on offense and special teams. Defense has been playing so well though that they refuse to let us lose. I don’t know if we can get anything going offensively against your defense or not. We have the capability but just haven’t really done it with any consistency this year.
Last year I do not think any team came close the number of FCS transfers that you guys had.
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I’m not sure if we have had the most transfers or not. I’m not sure if there are any official stats kept on that. Regardless, it has worked for us pretty well.
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I’m not sure if we have had the most transfers or not. I’m not sure if there are any official stats kept on that. Regardless, it has worked for us pretty well.
Thanks for the info. We're pretty similar it seems.
Might be the first one to 10 wins haha.
I think your QB might give us problems, but we seemed to play to contain the SU QB in the pocket rather than rush and give him running lanes. It worked out well he was very hesitant throwing against 7 or 8 men in coverage. I hope we come up with something for your guy I saw some plays on youtube he's a handful.
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My daughter attends Murray State University and I had the opportunity to watch Murray State vs. Jacksonville State. Jacksonville State played a poor first half but really handled Murray in the second half. From what I saw, Brother scouting report is right on. They have a stellar defense against the run and tended to give up some big plays with the pass. Their QB is an outstanding athlete who can throw, run and has some size and speed. Should be an outstanding game.
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The weather for Saturday is a high of 53. Winds about 7 miles an hour. And steady rain all afternoon. Not sure a passing game is going to work. Need to grind this one out and stay away from fumbles
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The weather for Saturday is a high of 53. Winds about 7 miles an hour. And steady rain all afternoon. Not sure a passing game is going to work. Need to grind this one out and stay away from fumbles
The latest forecast shows the rain holding off untill 5 p.m. with a light wind. I think J.S.U. will load up the box take their chances and force Hunter to throw. The key here will be pass protection and giving him time to throw..Should be interesting
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The weather for Saturday is a high of 53. Winds about 7 miles an hour. And steady rain all afternoon. Not sure a passing game is going to work. Need to grind this one out and stay away from fumbles
The latest forecast shows the rain holding off untill 5 p.m. with a light wind. I think J.S.U. will load up the box take their chances and force Hunter to throw. The key here will be pass protection and giving him time to throw..Should be interesting
If I'm playing YSU that is what I would do. The difference with Hunter is he can drop back and sling it. I don't believe he ever zipped the ball last year like he did as a freshman. I think he is now throwing back to form. I assume something was hurt last year, but have no inside or info to confirm. In any case we are far better now than the middle of the season.
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Something has to give, Jacksonville allowed just 236 yards per game in conference play. 65 on the ground and 171 through the air and opponents only completed 44 % of their passes and threw a good amount of interceptions . I just feel the strength of conference will end up being the difference in this game
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According to both Massey and Sagarin, Samford, a bubble team that squeaked into the playoffs, would be ranked 7/11 in the MVFC, and only that high because of an explosive offense. The Samford D is ranked in the bottom 3 of every major defensive category of the SoCon.
Three of our final four conference games were against the bottom three teams in the MVFC. The one team we played in the last five weeks that was anywhere close to worthy of a seed was NDSU, who defeated us by three scores. Our conference schedule was very top heavy.
I don't understand how the sports announcers and coaches can say, "we are peaking" now, or feel that they can extrapolate the results of MSU or Samford to playing JSU. The only team like JSU we've recently played is NDSU. If the Browns win their first game against Hubbard, will they claim they are peaking?
With Moss and Wright back, I think the defense can overcome deficiencies elsewhere....I hope.
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The weather for Saturday is a high of 53. Winds about 7 miles an hour. And steady rain all afternoon. Not sure a passing game is going to work. Need to grind this one out and stay away from fumbles
The latest forecast shows the rain holding off untill 5 p.m. with a light wind. I think J.S.U. will load up the box take their chances and force Hunter to throw. The key here will be pass protection and giving him time to throw..Should be interesting
If I'm playing YSU that is what I would do. The difference with Hunter is he can drop back and sling it. I don't believe he ever zipped the ball last year like he did as a freshman. I think he is now throwing back to form. I assume something was hurt last year, but have no inside or info to confirm. In any case we are far better now than the middle of the season.
It might be because we haven't played anybody good since the middle of the season except NDS and they handed our ass to us. :)
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I really don't consider 360 yards of offense against the Bison Defense a total A$$ beating we moved the ball between the 20's very good. Yes they had 10 points off of turnovers..Why the hate Mayor?
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I really don't consider 360 yards of offense against the Bison Defense a total A$$ beating we moved the ball between the 20's very good. Yes they had 10 points off of turnovers..Why the hate Mayor?
No hate, just stating the facts. Maybe I'm old school but getting beat by 21 points I consider an ass handed to you game. Go Guins!!
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The most points give you the win, not the most yards (it was 314 yards), and can be a deceptive stat esp when a QB commits 2 TOs/2 fumbles/1 pic, giving NDSU short fields and little need to generate impressive yardage stats, although they did generate 15 more yards of offense despite multiple short field drives.
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Listen to Jacksonville's coach in the press conference Nation, nothing but high praise with how we are managing the offense. Zero turnovers the last 3 games and a very high percentage on 3rd down conversation's. The reason we have been successful is because we are getting positive yardage on 1st and 2nd down. We were also very successful against N.D.S. in that category. The read option for zero yards or negative yards when the box is stacked on 1st and 2nd down is a thing of the past and it makes Montgomery's job much easier. Like it or not he has put together good game plans and has called good games over the last half of the season and the players are executing it..If it wasn't for them bringing Wells back we would not be in this position we are in today..If they thought enough of Ricky as a passer they would have let him run about 5 times a game from the pocket when needed instead of the punishment he received running 20 plus times a game
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.If it wasn't for them bringing Wells back we would not be in this position we are in today..If they thought enough of Ricky as a passer they would have let him run about 5 times a game from the pocket when needed instead of the punishment he received running 20 plus times a game
Because they brought Wells back, we were able to beat Samford and the three worst MVFC teams? Davis, at the time suffering from a traumatic brain injury, beat a playoff team, ISUr, on the road by two scores. Without Davis, we needed a special teams TD to win to beat ISUb. 13.3% of Wells' completions that day were to the opponents defense.
I believe they let Davis run because he could. Look at the last game where he was at least healthy for a part of the game. At WVU, he was our leading rusher and had no turnovers. This year, Davis has 340 yards rushing. Wells is negative 34 yards so far rushing this year (minus 78 years last two years)....against the worst Ds the MVFC has to offer and one of the worst SoCon Ds. Against Samford, it was particularly obvious Wells was going to not run and risk contact when given the opportunity. Even the ESPN announcers couldn't ignore that. He doesn't sacrifice himself for the team.
Here's the MVFC total offense stats:
9. Davis, Ricky-YSU Jr 8 340 864 189 1204 150.5
10. Ruiz, Martin-YSU Sr 12 1086 0 191 1086 90.5
Davis moved the ball.
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind.pdf
Also, in our last 5 games, our passing yards are down ~33%. Thankfully our rushing yards are up.
Current passing efficiency stats:
PASSING GP-GS Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Avg/G
Davis, Ricky 8-6 126.5 55-106-5 51.9 864 5 74 108.0
Wells, Hunter 5-5 125.5 66-105-3 62.9 736 3 41 147.2
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/files/teamcume.htm
Davis with a higher passing efficiency, yards, and more TDs with similar # attempts and with stats compiled against better competition....and while injured. Davis is not just a better runner, but a better passer.
I know the coaches were desperate when our #s 1 and 2 QBs went down, and likely struck a deal with Wells to forgo a redshirt year and not transfer to D2. I think the right move was to start Mays, who would've gained valuable experience and still beat the cellar dwellers, and convert Bailey to the reserve QB. I hope Saturday to be proven wrong.
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There is really know sense of arguing over this Nation. Wells is the quarterback that Bo wants. He even told a reporter Hunter would be the guy going forward even if Ricky came back from injury..He gives us the best chance of winning and moving the offense it's that simple
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There is really know sense of arguing over this Nation. Wells is the quarterback that Bo wants. He even told a reporter Hunter would be the guy going forward even if Ricky came back from injury..He gives us the best chance of winning and moving the offense it's that simple
That's not true. Bo loves a running QB, hence why Wells was #4 on the depth chart at the start of the year.
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There is really know sense of arguing over this Nation. Wells is the quarterback that Bo wants. He even told a reporter Hunter would be the guy going forward even if Ricky came back from injury..He gives us the best chance of winning and moving the offense it's that simple
Interesting. Bo said earlier this season, adamantly, that, once serviceable, no one loses their spot due to an injury.
Moral of the story: sacrifice team success, avoid contact, and be the starter.
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If Wells continues to make good decisions, I'm 100% in favor of him being the guy. A month ago we had all the turmoil with the QB issues and a decision many questioned has paid off, as our President-Elect would say, "Big League."
Just keep winning Penguins!!!
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Just finished watching the JSU /UT Martin game. The Gamecocks are a team that prides themselves into creating turnovers and turning them into points. They held the #1 offense in the O.V.C. to 7 points by intercepting their Qb four times. The strength of their team is the secondary and they are a veteran group that can really break on the ball. Their running back #6 is a very elusive runner and has a crazy spin move that we have not seen from any other running backs this year. If we take care of the football, capitalize in the red-zone and play sound in all 3 phases of the game I like our chances in a tight one..24-17 Guins!!
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Wells is the quarterback that Bo wants.
I don't care who the QB is as long as the Guins are winning, but if Wells was Bo's QB then Bo wouldn't have brought in Hosick and Wells would have been the starter from day 1.
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Wells is the quarterback that Bo wants.
I don't care who the QB is as long as the Guins are winning, but if Wells was Bo's QB then Bo wouldn't have brought in Hosick and Wells would have been the starter from day 1.
This is clearly the case. Bo wanted the running guy, not Shane. Bo is the one that got is in a mid season mess and Hunter along with Shane have moved us forward the 2nd half!
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Take away Duquense and Robert Morris, and Rickey Davis is overwhelmed. Any of our four quarterbacks would have looked good against those two teams.
Wells gives us our best shot to win, period. Davis looked looked lost against South Dakota St. We don't need a running quarterback. We need a quarterback who can make 8-12 timely throws on Saturday. Won't be easy, their defense is very good.
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Take away Duquense and Robert Morris, and Rickey Davis is overwhelmed. Any of our four quarterbacks would have looked good against those two teams.
Wells gives us our best shot to win, period. Davis looked looked lost against South Dakota St. We don't need a running quarterback. We need a quarterback who can make 8-12 timely throws on Saturday. Won't be easy, their defense is very good.
Ricky Davis never played a down in the Robert Morris game. He was out with a concussion that he got the week before against WVU. He came back and with Trent Hosick out for the year and Hunter Wells not practicing, he kept quiet and played 4 games with severe headaches and blurry vision until, after the SDS game, he couldn't take it anymore and went to the doctor, failing 4 concussion tests over the next two weeks, negatively affecting him the rest of his life. So if he seemed a little lost against SD State, he probably was. What else you got Einstein?
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Take away Duquense and Robert Morris, and Rickey Davis is overwhelmed. Any of our four quarterbacks would have looked good against those two teams.
Wells gives us our best shot to win, period. Davis looked looked lost against South Dakota St. We don't need a running quarterback. We need a quarterback who can make 8-12 timely throws on Saturday. Won't be easy, their defense is very good.
Ricky Davis never played a down in the Robert Morris game. He was out with a concussion that he got the week before against WVU. He came back and with Trent Hosick out for the year and Hunter Wells not practicing, he kept quiet and played 4 games with severe headaches and blurry vision until, after the SDS game, he couldn't take it anymore and went to the doctor, failing 4 concussion tests over the next two weeks, negatively affecting him the rest of his life. So if he seemed a little lost against SD State, he probably was. What else you got Einstein?
And now the truth comes out. Boom.
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Davis played with passion. With heart. With courage. Tenacity. Skill. Lots of skill.
It was Youngstown football in its purest form.
My thoughts and prayers for a full recovery to a tremendous athlete.
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Wells and Mays didn't move ahead of Davis on the depth chart because they out-played him. They moved ahead of him because he suffered a severe concussion. YSU's last three opponents all have terrible defenses. They are ranked 100th, 104th and 91st in FCS total defense per game. The Guins could have beaten all three with Bo's son Pat at QB.
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Wells and Mays didn't move ahead of Davis on the depth chart because they out-played him. They moved ahead of him because he suffered a severe concussion. YSU's last three opponents all have terrible defenses. They are ranked 100th, 104th and 91st in FCS total defense per game. The Guins could have beaten all three with Bo's son Pat at QB.
Spouting off silly stuff like that makes you look the fool. Hunter is the best thower we have and not by a little bit.
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Wells and Mays didn't move ahead of Davis on the depth chart because they out-played him. They moved ahead of him because he suffered a severe concussion. YSU's last three opponents all have terrible defenses. They are ranked 100th, 104th and 91st in FCS total defense per game. The Guins could have beaten all three with Bo's son Pat at QB
Yea very astute observation.
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Looked like a nice stadium, anyone hear the announced crowd
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Looked like a nice stadium, anyone hear the announced crowd
ESPN Go says 18,838?!?!
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Looked like a nice stadium, anyone hear the announced crowd
ESPN Go says 18,838?!?!
Good crowd but I would have never guessed that high
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Wells and Mays didn't move ahead of Davis on the depth chart because they out-played him. They moved ahead of him because he suffered a severe concussion. YSU's last three opponents all have terrible defenses. They are ranked 100th, 104th and 91st in FCS total defense per game. The Guins could have beaten all three with Bo's son Pat at QB.
100% accurate.
Two simple questions:
1) What kind of team would we have if everyone who didn't start, or lost their starting job, left the team unless they got their way?
2) What kind of team would we have if all players sacrificed team success to avoid contact or injury?
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1) What kind of team would we have if everyone who didn't start, or lost their starting job, left the team unless they got their way?
We know the answer to this question. Look at the Wolford years. We had as many as 20 players quit in a single season because of the issues you note.
2) What kind of team would we have if all players sacrificed team success to avoid contact or injury?
We would be better in some cases. You make avoiding inury as a negative. Sometimes wisdom and living to fight another day are an advantage. I don't see Tom Brady diving for the extra yard like RGIII does and how is that working out for those two?
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I believe you will see Ricky have a increased roll on Saturday and will be the backup QB not Mays
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Welcome back Nation...No posts for a while.. Tough to be a hater isn't it?? We all know you hate Wells and he couldn't go too D2 and that your dog is a better QB. Nada family?? Anyways keep posting your stats. They don't lie right? May's was 1-1 last week. Should be starting for the Brown's under you stats analysis.. All the Qb's have performed when out there. You QB coach and run the offense in your mind and let the big boys do there job!!!! Go Penguins!!
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So has anyone had a chance to look at the stats when we run plays out of the shotgun? I haven't had time but I may take a look at the game and evaluate the data. I think that we scored on plays where we were under center only. I think that all of the passes were completed when running under center. I say we stick to that type of power game. It is making a difference
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So has anyone had a chance to look at the stats when we run plays out of the shotgun? I haven't had time but I may take a look at the game and evaluate the data. I think that we scored on plays where we were under center only. I think that all of the passes were completed when running under center. I say we stick to that type of power game. It is making a difference
I couldn't agree more Power the play action is really working !!
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I think it needs to be a part of our offense, but the bigger plays have come off of the gun. I like the way we are mixing it up right now, it is so important to kind of "re-invent" yourself in the post-season. Just as JSU and YSU both did last week
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I think it needs to be a part of our offense, but the bigger plays have come off of the gun. I like the way we are mixing it up right now, it is so important to kind of "re-invent" yourself in the post-season. Just as JSU and YSU both did last week
I agree 100% with your assessment. We have had a really great mix of plays, formations, etc. over the last 3-4 weeks. Two thinks are VERY obvious to me. #1 Pelini wants to have a run threat at QB. #2 Montgomery is MUCH more comfortable with Wells at QB. The alternating QB's will work for this playoff run, but frankly I'd be VERY surprised if both are on the YSU staff next season. One isn't right and the other wrong, but they NEED to be on the same page.
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I think it needs to be a part of our offense, but the bigger plays have come off of the gun. I like the way we are mixing it up right now, it is so important to kind of "re-invent" yourself in the post-season. Just as JSU and YSU both did last week
You are wrong.
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Welcome back Nation...No posts for a while.. Tough to be a hater isn't it?? We all know you hate Wells and he couldn't go too D2 and that your dog is a better QB. Nada family?? Anyways keep posting your stats. They don't lie right? May's was 1-1 last week. Should be starting for the Brown's under you stats analysis.. All the Qb's have performed when out there. You QB coach and run the offense in your mind and let the big boys do there job!!!! Go Penguins!!
I'm not sure who my "dog" is, or who you are referring to. I like loyalty, dedication, toughness, commitment, and excellence. This YSU FB squad has those traits in spades, minus one player. You gotta admire Trent going in for another play, a passing play, after suffering multiple clavicle fractures on the prior play versus UNI. You gotta admire Davis playing with a sore knee and a concussion, and playing well. Both sustained these injuries sacrificing their own well being for the team, and you could even say for the fans and the community. You also must admire Nathan for leaving the safety of the pocket when required to gain every yard he can. Nathan saved a TD on special teams with a great tackle. All three are tough, dedicated, and epitomize Youngstown football. FWIW, Davis didn't threaten to leave last year when (wrongfully) denied the starting role, and Trent and Nathan didn't threaten to leave this year. Their commitment to the program is admirable. Conner McFadden tried to tackle a Pitt punt returner last year...even a punter sacrificed himself...he failed but at least he tried. Football is a violent sport, and requires toughness. BTW, if Trent or Nathan or Ricky performed like Wells or lacked commitment, my comments would similarly reflect that.
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Nation, you should have been Japanese. You would have made a great Kamikaze. For me, give me an intelligent guy that can throw the ball where it needs to be, and live to fight another day. While Hosick, Mays, and Davis have, by your description, throw their bodies to the wind, Hunter is leading us to another deep run in the playoffs. Give me wins over mindless sacrifice anytime.
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I am not sure I follow this between Nation and Go Guins. However:
1. There is no one more dedicated to this team than Wells. When you are told that you will not be starting (or back-up) as you no longer fit the program, so look elsewhere ...he did. That is just common sense at that point. Self preservation.
2. I think you will see both Bo and Shane here next year Go Guins. Bo will have his offers, but a couple of years in his home town have done him a world of good and a couple more will mature his family. However, I do think a Big-10 offer may be hard to pass up. The two coaches had a long discussion and Wells is it ...for this year and next.
Mays has shown he wants to be the future of this team and he has the tools. He needs coach Shane, as does Wells. Let's look at other schools of the past. Delaware had 3-straight star transfers. Each one was promised the team the day they showed up for the first campus visit and that is a tremendous risk for a coach to take. There was not even a promise to compete, as YSU has done in with Hosick and others. Tressel told a starting Big-10 QB (and local product) that he would have to wait a year until Issac graduates. However, I am sure Tressel also told Cochran the Ray does get injured quite a bit and he would see playing time right away. Bo is also a big star transfer & we know that Ron Strollo has to accept certain risks to keep him.
So I guess this tells me two things: if you make your promises (as a administrator, coach or player), you had better stick to them and if Hunter was asked to come back and be our "man" ... it was not for the final 3-games (which is what this team was on track to have); we owe it to him. Maybe Bo and Shane's idea of a "running QB" have become more similar after events of this year. If YSU makes their promise to Bo, the university has to keep their promises as well.
As to what has to be the mindset of Strollo and Tressel ...truth be told. Bo is a risk ...Shane is not. Bo is a big-time coach, with what can be big-time issues and big-time offers; this equals big-time risk. Strollo was not standing on the field last year for a better view of the game. Shane is good OC and certainly has his offers. He is an Ohio guy, loves the HS game and knows southern and especially central Ohio recruits very well. He is simply a huge asset to this program. Right now, we have the top HC and Coordinators in the country and I think I speak for the fans and the administration when saying that YSU wants to keep all three of them as long as possible!!!
ps: I found my long underwear ...GO GUINS!!!
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Nation, you should have been Japanese.
How do you know I'm not? ;D
For me, give me an intelligent guy that can throw the ball where it needs to be, and live to fight another day. While Hosick, Mays, and Davis have, by your description, throw their bodies to the wind, Hunter is leading us to another deep run in the playoffs. Give me wins over mindless sacrifice anytime.
Meaning no disrespect to JSU, they couldn't pass rush my Aunt Sara. What happens when we face a team that can? We know SDSU and NDSU can. Only an MVFC squad was able to end JSU's season last year and this year. IMO, it really makes it clear that the MVFC is head and shoulders above everyone else...maybe also JMU and EWU are on our level. We were fortunate to have great bracket placement. No chance of meeting another MVFC team or JMU until Frisco. Anyway, we'd be exactly where we are right now with any of our QBs. JSU was a paper tiger with great stats compiled in the woeful OVC. They would be a bottom third team in the MVFC. Much of the praise of Wells is a couple games with no pics, but nobody praises Ruiz or Webb for not fumbling. The bar and expectations are very low.
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Nation I hear what your saying and somewhat agree with you.
But I don't think this team is built around a QB that can throw it all over the yard. We are not JSU and I'm thankful for that. We are a grind it out offense, one that sets up our QB to make short throws and not get our offense behind. We did throw deep against JSU but the only reason we did was because they put 8 in the box and said go ahead and throw if you can cuz we are stopping the run. Once Wells hit a few deep balls they had to respect it and it opened up the run game. I expect Wofford to do the same.
Wells missed a few easy throws and got away with one over the middle that the LB dropped. Those mistakes can't happen from here on out.
I expect we will put a couple of TE's in the backfield tomorrow and run it straight at Wofford until they prove they can stop it or load the box like JSU did. But Wells needs to make those throws tomorrow.
I also expect to see a lot of Ricky running the offense tomorrow to open up the passing game.
YSU. 24-7
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1. There is no one more dedicated to this team than Wells. When you are told that you will not be starting (or back-up) as you no longer fit the program, so look elsewhere ...he did. That is just common sense at that point. Self preservation.
I think the term "self-preservation" is accurate. Like his non-starting teammates, he could have said, "I can and will compete. I can and will contribute. I am proud to be a Penguin" Mays is on special teams, trying to contribute in any way. Wells is of limited utility on special teams due to his fear of contact and immobility. I don't see how a guy who quit his team when told he wasn't starting, stopped dressing for games, and was planning on transferring, as "dedicated."
If there was an employee who quit because they were upset about being demoted due to a lack of performance, would you reward that with a promotion? Could you imagine the dynamic that would create amongst your hard-working and loyal employees? You'd destroy your business.
Mays has shown he wants to be the future of this team and he has the tools. He needs coach Shane, as does Wells. Let's look at other schools of the past. Delaware had 3-straight star transfers. Each one was promised the team the day they showed up for the first campus visit and that is a tremendous risk for a coach to take. There was not even a promise to compete, as YSU has done in with Hosick and others. Tressel told a starting Big-10 QB (and local product) that he would have to wait a year until Issac graduates. However, I am sure Tressel also told Cochran the Ray does get injured quite a bit and he would see playing time right away. Bo is also a big star transfer & we know that Ron Strollo has to accept certain risks to keep him.
So I guess this tells me two things: if you make your promises (as a administrator, coach or player), you had better stick to them and if Hunter was asked to come back and be our "man" ... it was not for the final 3-games (which is what this team was on track to have); we owe it to him. Maybe Bo and Shane's idea of a "running QB" have become more similar after events of this year. If YSU makes their promise to Bo, the university has to keep their promises as well.
We would be in the same place right now with Mays as starting QB, but would have groomed a future QB with valuable experience. If we had done that, imagine Mays as an upper classman. This was a situation where you could have had your cake and ate it too. We prepare for the future and win in the present. Tomorrow is the result of today's sacrifice and decisions.
My impression is that Wells would only accept a deal to start, not to be #2 behind Mays, in exchange to give up a year of eligibility. Wells had all of the leverage really because of his lack of allegiance to the program. He out-negotiated the staff. That deal, created out of a position of fear (of not having a QB back-up) and weakness, will cost us later.
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Had an employee been given an unfair "shake" or poor performance? I did not see anything that would be cause for demotion from Wells. You did. Also, I saw potential in Mays and you laughed at me over camp. You cannot jump around. My company just had a very large lay-off. The second in one-year. We are a software company. Two years ago we cancelled a project because we had an offer from Microsoft to develop a tool for them. We even hired in one of their people and made him a VP in our company to direct the new MS tool. It was a tool that had the same purpose as the one we cancelled, only it runs on the MS Enterprise platform. We lost countless developers that worked on two other platforms that we built on. We had a product manager that was in charge of developing the first new product and he was kept on to keep our legacy products afloat until the new MS tool could be built. Guess what? We just cancelled the contract with MS and dismissed the VP. Our president was fired because of a poor decision to change our product direction that put us 2.5-years behind the rest of the industry. That manager of legacy products is now back in charge of the product that was cancelled. He was clearly being under-used as a manager of products no longer being enhanced, just as Hunter was not being utilized to his full ability as a scout team QB. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking he was 3rd-string. With the first injury, Mays was moved up to 2nd (over Wells) so he could get reps with the 1st-team.
No matter what you say, Hunter was given his walking papers. He stuck around with hope of a red-shirt, worked with the team all through summer camp and the season knowing this. Don't try to tell me that Monty reworked his offense after spring ball and Hunter was not aware. How much more loyalty do you want? Even if he could have come in a couple of times earlier in the season, it was clear that we had an offense that he could not support. IMO, although well-intended, your last comments just are not accurate or practical. Wells still could have said "no" ...but he did not. You should also be thankful that coach M has the skills to rework an offense in mid-season, helping us make the post-season.
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Blah Blah Blah, Wells is this and Wells is that. He beat a weaker blah blah blah. Anybody but Wells beat cream puffs. Blah, Blah, Blah. If we started Mays same result. Blah Blah Blah. Jacksonville st sucks Sanford sucks blah blah blah. You sound like the sore losers that screamed. He's not my President! We are in the final 8. Love him or hate him. Wells saved our season. Lets enjoy this at least I am!
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Blah Blah Blah, Wells is this and Wells is that. He beat a weaker blah blah blah. Anybody but Wells beat cream puffs. Blah, Blah, Blah. If we started Mays same result. Blah Blah Blah. Jacksonville st sucks Sanford sucks blah blah blah. You sound like the sore losers that screamed. He's not my President! We are in the final 8. Love him or hate him. Wells saved our season. Lets enjoy this at least I am!
lol.....I can't decide what is funnier...the cheeto-man reference or claiming Wells saved our season.... :D
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Haters have to hate GoGuins. The only reason that I am not tailgating at this very moment is because I have to wait until 9a for the ticket office to open and get my tailgate pass.
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Love him or hate him. Wells saved our season. Lets enjoy this at least I am!
Hey Nation, YSUGO is 100% right on this! He is a winner and you sound like a very sad loser. Instead of Nation for short, maybe we should start calling you Hillary?
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Love him or hate him. Wells saved our season. Lets enjoy this at least I am!
Hey Nation, YSUGO is 100% right on this! He is a winner and you sound like a very sad loser. Instead of Nation for short, maybe we should start calling you Hillary?
I procrastinated on posting the same statement--was going to post yesterday that whether you love or hate Hunter Wells he saved our season.
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delusional drivel......saved our season.......lol......was he saving it while refusing to put on the Penguin uniform while others were doing the heavy lifting against ISUr and UNI? When he ran to the safety of the sideline in Q4 versus Wofford and stopped the clock, giving Wofford more time and endangering the outcome of the game and season? Or having negative rushing yards in all but one game? BTW, that game against a #2 SoCon school should never have gone to OT. We dropped in Massey from #3 to #4 after that game. We had the easiest path to the semifinals possible, which has allowed a QB frightened of contact to barely get us this far. Despite his disloyalty to the program, and disabling fear of contact that costs our team, I wish him well. I hope the rest of the team, like the much improved o-line, WRs, and RBs (Webb, McCaster, Alessi), can continue to carry him on their backs. "...every damn down"....unless you're a fragile prima donna QB....lol.
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Instead of Nation for short, maybe we should start calling you Hillary?
Watch it! Hillary has a way of making ppl go away! :D If you'd like, you can donate to the "Penguin Nation Global Initiative", or the "Nation Foundation", and I'll promise to give 6% of it to Haiti.........
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Instead of Nation for short, maybe we should start calling you Hillary?
Watch it! Hillary has a way of making ppl go away! :D If you'd like, you can donate to the "Penguin Nation Global Initiative", or the "Nation Foundation", and I'll promise to give 6% of it to Haiti.........
Yep, I was right, a Hilly clone! (you think 6% is going to Haiti, I bet you are high by half!)
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Instead of Nation for short, maybe we should start calling you Hillary?
Watch it! Hillary has a way of making ppl go away! :D If you'd like, you can donate to the "Penguin Nation Global Initiative", or the "Nation Foundation", and I'll promise to give 6% of it to Haiti.........
Yep, I was right, a Hilly clone! (you think 6% is going to Haiti, I bet you are high by half!)
dammit you're correct. It was less than 6%.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/just-5-7-percent-of-clinton-foundation-budget-actually-went-to-charity/
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Gotta love how Nation has to ruin this topic if anyone wants to look back. Calls a QB that never stopped practicing with the team disloyal, yet remains quiet about the real disloyal acts over the past week. Almost comical.
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Gotta love how Nation has to ruin this topic if anyone wants to look back. Calls a QB that never stopped practicing with the team disloyal, yet remains quiet about the real disloyal acts over the past week. Almost comical.
If you are going to persist with fairy tales and misinformation:
Wells quit dressing for games and planned to leave the program because he was pouting about being dropped to #4. He did the minimum to keep his scholly but not lose a year of eligibility. You can still be a Penguin fan and realize that he prioritizes himself over the team in every possible way, on the field as well as off.
Ruiz got screwed from what I see. I'm not going to comment about anything else until I have more info.
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Gotta love how Nation has to ruin this topic if anyone wants to look back. Calls a QB that never stopped practicing with the team disloyal, yet remains quiet about the real disloyal acts over the past week. Almost comical.
If you are going to persist with fairy tales and misinformation:
Wells quit dressing for games and planned to leave the program because he was pouting about being dropped to #4. He did the minimum to keep his scholly but not lose a year of eligibility. You can still be a Penguin fan and realize that he prioritizes himself over the team in every possible way, on the field as well as off.
Ruiz got screwed from what I see. I'm not going to comment about anything else until I have more info.
Wrong. He was under absolutely ZERO obligation> know your facts. He was granted transfer request before he even asked for it. Before this year began. Also, we would have been better served with Mays taking Scout. He stuck around because he had loyalty that for some idiotic reason, you seem to insist that he does not. So since we are in a season that was just a fairy-tale before he took over ... I again laugh at your hatred. Even if it was to stay in shape ...who cares? You just cannot deal with someone posting after you and respond to the point where it is humorous. Like your buddy before you, you just figure Wells will eventually slip ...giving you that desperate wish to post "I told you so". Well, cannot happen as he has already exceeded our expectations ...so hold it for next year. Just remember we are not laughing with you; but at you.
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He doesn't hate the team, HR just doesn't like the qb. It is his prerogative
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No one disputes that he received a transfer request.
"He stuck around because he had loyalty that for some idiotic reason".....I'm not sure you can call trying to leave the team and not dressing for games as "sticking around"....he did the minimum to get the scholly...if you want to call that "sticking around" than go for it.
"you just figure Wells will eventually slip" He already has. We barely beat a #2 SoCon team in 2OT despite him...despite a pic and a blocked punt after an ineffective short drive leading directly to nine opponent points. I've already mentioned his fleeing for the sideline "safe space" when we needed to run the clock. He pulls any of that versus a legit FCS team like EWU or NDSU than others may not be able to compensate for his inadequacies.
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Nation - you really need to find something in your life that makes you happy and stop hating on 19-22 year old kids!! Hunter Wells is our QB and we are in the final four!! That should make everyone happy. He was granted his release and did not dress or travel because he had a shoulder injury. He had an MRI the week before he starting playing. Just wondering... how far did you take your team when you were the QB?
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Nation - you really need to find something in your life that makes you happy and stop hating on 19-22 year old kids!! Hunter Wells is our QB and we are in the final four!! That should make everyone happy. He was granted his release and did not dress or travel because he had a shoulder injury. He had an MRI the week before he starting playing. Just wondering... how far did you take your team when you were the QB?
Bo said early in the season on the radio that Wells shoulder was fine. Also, one does not need to quit a program because of a shoulder issue, assuming it's even true.
Lighten up. These conversations are all limited to performance issues for which they receive a scholarship for. Many of these kids get yelled at in practice and on the sidelines...If they had jobs they may get b'ed out there too...I think they can handle factual comments about their performance, or lack thereof.
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Nation - you really need to find something in your life that makes you happy and stop hating on 19-22 year old kids!! Hunter Wells is our QB and we are in the final four!! That should make everyone happy. He was granted his release and did not dress or travel because he had a shoulder injury. He had an MRI the week before he starting playing. Just wondering... how far did you take your team when you were the QB?
Bo said early in the season on the radio that Wells shoulder was fine. Also, one does not need to quit a program because of a shoulder issue, assuming it's even true.
Lighten up. These conversations are all limited to performance issues for which they receive a scholarship for. Many of these kids get yelled at in practice and on the sidelines...If they had jobs they may get b'ed out there too...I think they can handle factual comments about their performance, or lack thereof.
Hey Nation... I'm going to put this as simple as possible for you. Being a parent of one of our players and knowing what I do. I can tell you quite honestly that you are dead wrong.
As for these conversations being about performance, you EVER come on here or anywhere and talk about my son the way you talk about Wells. I will hunt you down like a dog.
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Look at you with those keyboard muscles! Hey tough guy, I'll say what I want to say when I want to say it. Got it chump?
Everything said is factual and performance related, and relevant to the success (or failure) of the program. Feel free to correct the record if stats posted were erroneous or unrelated to YSU FB.
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Look at you with those keyboard muscles! Hey tough guy, I'll say what I want to say when I want to say it. Got it chump?
Everything said is factual and performance related, and relevant to the success (or failure) of the program. Feel free to correct the record if stats posted were erroneous or unrelated to YSU FB.
Anytime you want to meet up let me know. I will gladly meet you anytime, anywhere. Just send me a PM.
By the way you don't deal in facts, you deal in opinions. And your opinions are wrong.
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Look at you with those keyboard muscles! Hey tough guy, I'll say what I want to say when I want to say it. Got it chump?
Everything said is factual and performance related, and relevant to the success (or failure) of the program. Feel free to correct the record if stats posted were erroneous or unrelated to YSU FB.
Anytime you want to meet up let me know. I will gladly meet you anytime, anywhere. Just send me a PM.
By the way you don't deal in facts, you deal in opinions. And your opinions are wrong.
Don't waste your breath on this clown. Says Hunter is a coward. Says he can't play or win. Well we know now just exactly how wrong he is!!! Frisco here we come!!!
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I didn't think Wells could handle EWU-level opposition. I was mistaken. He proved himself. His passing has improved from last year and from the regular season. He even had a few good drive-saving runs, no turnovers, and endured 4 drops from the receivers. Like a true champ, he has risen to the challenge.
Great team win. Definitely a classic.
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I didn't think Wells could handle EWU-level opposition. I was mistaken. He proved himself. His passing has improved from last year and from the regular season. He even had a few good drive-saving runs, no turnovers, and endured 4 drops from the receivers. Like a true champ, he has risen to the challenge.
Great team win. Definitely a classic.
And he didn't slide. He took some hits
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I didn't think Wells could handle EWU-level opposition. I was mistaken. He proved himself. His passing has improved from last year and from the regular season. He even had a few good drive-saving runs, no turnovers, and endured 4 drops from the receivers. Like a true champ, he has risen to the challenge.
Great team win. Definitely a classic.
And he didn't slide. He took some hits
When there is nothing to gain, Hunter slides. We had a ton to gain last night and he didn't slide. Smart as well as a champion!
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I didn't think Wells could handle EWU-level opposition. I was mistaken. He proved himself. His passing has improved from last year and from the regular season. He even had a few good drive-saving runs, no turnovers, and endured 4 drops from the receivers. Like a true champ, he has risen to the challenge.
Great team win. Definitely a classic.
And he didn't slide. He took some hits
When there is nothing to gain, Hunter slides. We had a ton to gain last night and he didn't slide. Smart as well as a champion!
Let's enjoy his excellent performance last night and epic team win, but let's not revise history.
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I didn't think Wells could handle EWU-level opposition. I was mistaken. He proved himself. His passing has improved from last year and from the regular season. He even had a few good drive-saving runs, no turnovers, and endured 4 drops from the receivers. Like a true champ, he has risen to the challenge.
Great team win. Definitely a classic.
IMO you are one colossal dumb-ass. I'm not even sure you watch some of these games. You are the revisionist. I am only stating the obvious.
And he didn't slide. He took some hits
When there is nothing to gain, Hunter slides. We had a ton to gain last night and he didn't slide. Smart as well as a champion!
Let's enjoy his excellent performance last night and epic team win, but let's not revise history.