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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?
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Well we lost in the second round so no better than 9th but prolly lower anround 12th Even with the win it brought very little buzz to the community. Going to take a lot to get that back if they can. We were not a top 10 team with that Defense. And if we still had The Bison on the schedule instead of Murray we wouldn’t have made it
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Probably around 15.
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I would say 20th.
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10 or 11
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Process of elimination. We were better than every team except for the playoff participants from the MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA.
We were better than Sacramento State and Idaho, but inferior to Montana and Montana State.
We were better than Richmond and Delaware, but inferior to Albany and Villanova.
We were vastly inferior to SDSU and NDSU.
We were better than North Dakota, the most overrated team in our conference.
That leaves SIU, South Dakota, and UNI. The latter two beat us so I guess that I will place us below them. But UNI was terrible by the end of the year.
I would place us in position #9.
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Process of elimination. We were better than every team except for the playoff participants from the MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA.
We were better than Sacramento State and Idaho, but inferior to Montana and Montana State.
We were better than Richmond and Delaware, but inferior to Albany and Villanova.
We were vastly inferior to SDSU and NDSU.
We were better than North Dakota, the most overrated team in our conference.
That leaves SIU, South Dakota, and UNI. The latter two beat us so I guess that I will place us below them. But UNI was terrible by the end of the year.
I would place us in position #9.
I also think we are 9 or 10. I did a similar analysis. If YSU is truly 9th in 2023, it would mean ysu is in the 93rd percentile of all teams in the FCS. If YSU is 10th the team ends up in the 92nd percentile of all FCS teams.
Paladin correctly predicted this earlier this year and he had the wherewithal to closely predict our regular season record in the MVFC. People here don't have to like the message, but the guy is correct. I hate this censorship crap. We would be fortunate to have him back here.
Now I think we can be critical since the season is over.
1. Does Phillips deserve to remain head coach? My answer is YES! The question for me is has he reached his ceiling? Is this the best we can do with Phillips?
2.we definitely have to address the defensive play. For me it's less about the players (unless you're talking about the DL) and more about the coaching and scheme. You can't leave your secondary on an island when you can't get pressure from the DL. We have to upgrade the DL. The loss of Howard is going to hurt on defense. He was the best LB we had.
3. Do we need to upgrade the defensive coaches?
I think Phillips has the program going in the right direction. Now that he's achieved the playoffs, in 3-4 years depending how you count the COVID year, I think people can back off a bit with criticismsnI see all over this board.
The real question is if Phillips is another Heacock. Keep in mind Heacock only made the playoffs a couple times in a weeker Missouri Valley/Gateway conference. The difference between Philips and Heacock is that Phillips is a far better recruiter overall.
You win with players. It's a lot more difficult to improve from the 92nd percentile to the 99th. The amount of effort required is much higher in both recruiting and coaching.
But we are once again better than 90% of the FCS.
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Hard to upgrade a coaching staff while paying very low salaries. No seasoned coach is coming here for $50k. You get what you pay for. During the Nova game they showed YSU coaches in the press box. They were all in their 20s if appeared. Maybe good coaches with potential
, but that was eye opening
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Hard to upgrade a coaching staff while paying very low salaries. No seasoned coach is coming here for $50k. You get what you pay for. During the Nova game they showed YSU coaches in the press box. They were all in their 20s if appeared. Maybe good coaches with potential
, but that was eye opening
I totally agree. Kids coaching kids. He's got to develop coaches AND players at the same time. I've been trying to say this all year but it has fallen on deaf ears. I will say it again, if you want better assistant coaches, then put up the money for YSU to get them.
By the way I see that I have several spelling errors in my last post including the word "weeker" vs weaker. The phone I use is inconsistent in when it applies spell checker. Not sure why some sites it is used and others it isn't, but I am pretty sure I typed "weaker".
Nova has a nice OL and seasoned coaches. YSU was mismatched with lesser coaching and that's why they were blown out.
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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?
Not even in. Get the blinders off. My gosh look how much NDSU improved in the last half of the season, they became the best team in the country & reputation is the only thing that got them in the play-off. Just as YSU did in the 90's when we played such light schedules and lost to any decent team played in the regular season. The upper-end Big Sky and CAA teams are clearly a step above us (Idaho, Montana, MSU, Nova & Albany). We were not going to beat Villanova & next year they will be playing with more future CUSA players that are even better. Look at all the FBS teams adding Villanova to their schedule
Nova lost to SDSU 23-12 OUT WEST, while YSU could not even manage a score against SDSU in a 34-0 loss AT HOME. We will not compete until we have the players.
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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?
Not even in. Get the blinders off. My gosh look how much NDSU improved in the last half of the season, they became the best team in the country & reputation is the only thing that got them in the play-off. Just as YSU did in the 90's when we played such light schedules and lost to any decent team played in the regular season. The upper-end Big Sky and CAA teams are clearly a step above us (Idaho, Montana, MSU, Nova & Albany). We were not going to beat Villanova & next year they will be playing with more future CUSA players that are even better. Look at all the FBS teams adding Villanova to their schedule
Nova lost to SDSU 23-12 OUT WEST, while YSU could not even manage a score against SDSU in a 34-0 loss AT HOME. We will not compete until we have the players.
Don't smoke crack
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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?
Not even in. Get the blinders off. My gosh look how much NDSU improved in the last half of the season, they became the best team in the country & reputation is the only thing that got them in the play-off. Just as YSU did in the 90's when we played such light schedules and lost to any decent team played in the regular season. The upper-end Big Sky and CAA teams are clearly a step above us (Idaho, Montana, MSU, Nova & Albany). We were not going to beat Villanova & next year they will be playing with more future CUSA players that are even better. Look at all the FBS teams adding Villanova to their schedule
Nova lost to SDSU 23-12 OUT WEST, while YSU could not even manage a score against SDSU in a 34-0 loss AT HOME. We will not compete until we have the players.
I assume that you are kidding and just trying to spur some debate.
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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?
Not even in. Get the blinders off. My gosh look how much NDSU improved in the last half of the season, they became the best team in the country & reputation is the only thing that got them in the play-off. Just as YSU did in the 90's when we played such light schedules and lost to any decent team played in the regular season. The upper-end Big Sky and CAA teams are clearly a step above us (Idaho, Montana, MSU, Nova & Albany). We were not going to beat Villanova & next year they will be playing with more future CUSA players that are even better. Look at all the FBS teams adding Villanova to their schedule
Nova lost to SDSU 23-12 OUT WEST, while YSU could not even manage a score against SDSU in a 34-0 loss AT HOME. We will not compete until we have the players.
I assume that you are kidding and just trying to spur some debate.
He's serious. Needs to lay off the crack pipe.
The wind was a major factor in the SDSU vs Villanova game. The wind limited the throwing of both teams. Villanova has better line play than YSU. YSU has a comparable passing game. Nova has better defensive coaches, probably a better collection of LB's and a better DL. YSU had better athletes in the secondary, but they have bad coaching and ZERO pressure from the DL to help the coverage (when they got the coverage correctly handled).
In 2023 YSU is between #9 and #18. It could be argued a lot of different ways. But >20 is a crack induced response. NDSU is going to get their ass handed to them by SDSU, who is clearly the best team in the nation
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Let's not forget that Tressel, with the exception of Ken Connatzer (sp?) and veteran high school coach Bob Stoops, had a very young coaching staff. Some of these guys advanced to become prominent head coaches and coordinators. And that was an era when P5 assistants were not making too much more money than IAA head coaches.
The issue is not that Phillips has a young staff; the issue is does he have the right staff? Can these guys grow into good coaches and move on, to be replaced by the next generation of ambitious young men? Right now I feel that the problem with our defensive coaches is not their youth but rather their basic competence. You can't evolve in your profession if you lack the ability to be in that profession.
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Let's not forget that Tressel, with the exception of Ken Connatzer (sp?) and veteran high school coach Bob Stoops, had a very young coaching staff. Some of these guys advanced to become prominent head coaches and coordinators. And that was an era when P5 assistants were not making too much more money than IAA head coaches.
The issue is not that Phillips has a young staff; the issue is does he have the right staff? Can these guys grow into good coaches and move on, to be replaced by the next generation of ambitious young men? Right now I feel that the problem with our defensive coaches is not their youth but rather their basic competence. You can't evolve in your profession if you lack the ability to be in that profession.
The last good defensive coach we had really was Heacock and I guess you could say the Pelliini as well but they had the horses upfront to get the job done if you remember the Heacock era, we have many all Americans on a defensive line at linebacker and in the secondary so it does take players as well as coaches, and like what was said in the previous post head coach has to make the correct hire
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Let's not forget that Tressel, with the exception of Ken Connatzer (sp?) and veteran high school coach Bob Stoops, had a very young coaching staff. Some of these guys advanced to become prominent head coaches and coordinators. And that was an era when P5 assistants were not making too much more money than IAA head coaches.
The issue is not that Phillips has a young staff; the issue is does he have the right staff? Can these guys grow into good coaches and move on, to be replaced by the next generation of ambitious young men? Right now I feel that the problem with our defensive coaches is not their youth but rather their basic competence. You can't evolve in your profession if you lack the ability to be in that profession.
I have the same observation, especially when the DE's lose containment. Either the players are being lazy or the coaches aren't teaching them. Schematic breakdowns are in the coaches in my book.
To your point, Tressel made it to YSU in 1985 (I think). Back then he didn't have the transfer portal, but he was able to make it to the playoffs in 1990 I believe. We lost in the playoffs in 1990 and it wasn't until 1991 that we won it all. 6 years is what it took him. The best team being 1994. It took Tressel 9 years to reach the pinnacle and we still didn't win with the consistency that NDSU has demonstrated. We only won a few games in 1996 before winning it all in 97.
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Just because I tell the truth, does not make me a crackhead. I imply feel we are not in the top-24 teams. In the MVFC alone we have SDSU, USD, NDSU, UND, UNI. Arguably I feel that SIU and ILS are also better than YSU. That is anywhere from 5-7 teams that would be ranked higher than YSU. Albany, Richmond, Villanova, Delaware and Elon (about the same really for Elon). In the Big Sky, there is no less than 4 teams superior to YSU. Now that is 14-16 right there. It looks like YSU would be in the top24, but just barely. Other teams I feel are better than YSU this year are ...Furman, Mercer, Chattanooga (WCU about the same as YSU), Gardner-Web, Samford and I am sure there are a few more that are our equals or better in 2023.
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Just because I tell the truth, does not make me a crackhead. I imply feel we are not in the top-24 teams. In the MVFC alone we have SDSU, USD, NDSU, UND, UNI. Arguably I feel that SIU and ILS are also better than YSU. That is anywhere from 5-7 teams that would be ranked higher than YSU. Albany, Richmond, Villanova, Delaware and Elon (about the same really for Elon). In the Big Sky, there is no less than 4 teams superior to YSU. Now that is 14-16 right there. It looks like YSU would be in the top24, but just barely. Other teams I feel are better than YSU this year are ...Furman, Mercer, Chattanooga (WCU about the same as YSU), Gardner-Web, Samford and I am sure there are a few more that are our equals or better in 2023.
Sometimes you make good sense but not here. Gardner Webb? CMon man! And GW beat Elon. Villanova thrashed Delaware worse than they did us. Comparible scores don't support your position. This blog has turned into a bunch of ysu haters. You guys make me tired.
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Let's put it this way. How many teams did we play this year (regular season) where you were sure we were going to win? The answer is "1". I was even afraid that we were going to lose to a then win-less Indiana State. I mean I am sorry but a top-20 team this does not make.
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Everyone has good points. Something’s to ponder if this was 10-20 years ago didn’t they only choose 12 or 16 teams. The playoffs have been watered down. Phillips is not the messiah here. Yes he has improved the team but it’s not close in talent to any of Wolfords teams. Wolford beat Pitt. What’s Phillips signature win. Phillips has not come close to recruiting as Wolford. As for where are in the scheme of things we are s middle of a pack conference team that couldn’t or can’t beat the top 4 Teams. We played a schedule with no Bison on it. We weren’t going to beat them and with that loss we would have been 6-5. No better than previous years and previous coaches
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Guins rank ~ 17.
Geeeessshh! Keep hearing that name Wolford and talent.. Last I checked all that talent didn't win squat?! Must have been he couldn't coach, or no one wanted to play for a drunken azzhole.. Beat Pitt lost to 2-8 MO State?!?
Ole Wolf needs to be a recruiter for the Guins. Maybe the world would become perfect again.
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Guins rank ~ 17.
Geeeessshh! Keep hearing that name Wolford and talent.. Last I checked all that talent didn't win squat?! Must have been he couldn't coach, or no one wanted to play for a drunken azzhole.. Beat Pitt lost to 2-8 MO State?!?
Ole Wolf needs to be a recruiter for the Guins. Maybe the world would become perfect again.
Wasn’t defending Wolford, as a coach he had alot of to learn, and our defense cost us. There were some bad defeats really bad it seemed like November was his demise. We were horrible in November. Alabama has him now maybe he will learn something from Saban.
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Some of these posts confound me.
I felt like we would win for many of our games this year, missed on UNI and did not think we would beat SIU.
Wolf did beat Pitt and NDSU but did we ever make the play-offs under him? I really do not recall.
Do not quite get the no Bison on our schedule thing, then assuming with the revamped schedule we would be 6-5. Are we to assume that the team not on that mythical schedule is a team we beat?
Then to make an argument that two teams we beat ISU and SIU are actually better then us. Maybe we are really better then UNI and SD
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Guins rank ~ 17.
Geeeessshh! Keep hearing that name Wolford and talent.. Last I checked all that talent didn't win squat?! Must have been he couldn't coach, or no one wanted to play for a drunken azzhole.. Beat Pitt lost to 2-8 MO State?!?
Ole Wolf needs to be a recruiter for the Guins. Maybe the world would become perfect again.
Wasn’t defending Wolford, as a coach he had alot of to learn, and our defense cost us. There were some bad defeats really bad it seemed like November was his demise. We were horrible in November. Alabama has him now maybe he will learn something from Saban.
No shot at you Go.. Ur usually spot on. Just sick of hearing Wolford and talent..
"IF it wasn't for Bozo bringing a few guys with him from NE and a few other places 2016 wouldn't have happened.
Looking at things now YSU is more talented than Wolfs years "IF" you like statistical proof.
It's safe to say both Wolf and Phillips was/is suffering from defensive dumb azz syndrome.
These guys need to get their heads out of their 4th point of contact and hit the portal for the biggest meanest SOB's for D and forget the O for the time being. IMO YSU is OK on O with the QB and hopefully the Oline gets a few lbs bigers and stronger.
Like I've been saying,, The Guins are not MVFC big enough yet!
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Agree we need to focus on the defense on the portal and get bigger and better and faster. We have a porus defense is why many of the defense left in the portal. Cannot afford to fill with underclassmen and HS recruits. We cannot sacrifice another bad year in defense. No way in hell. We have a tough schedule next year with 12 games and game #1 is at Villanova..
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Based on our losses which is the best way to rate us at this point. We belong at 9 or 10. Very good season. Fun to watch. With a better d line we could have easily beat Villy. Remember Mitch was off in that game compared to the great year he had. We only lost to SDSU, OSU as substantial losses. Vilinova was a better team but we were competitive and they gave SDSU a game. Our other 2 losses to uni and USD were both very good teams and they were very close games. In both those games refs apologized midweek upon review for making critical mistakes incalls that could have changed the outcome of the game. As far as our conference goes we are the 4 th best team. SDSU, USD, ndsu, YSU, uni, und, ISU... That's how I place the conference for relevant teams.
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Guinpen, your comment that maybe we were better than UNI is true in my opinion. Not better, but equal. I saw us beating them this year because we had a better QB then they expected, and that loss dictated the rest of the season. JCrum you cannot agree on ignoring the offense, work on a bad defense and ignore the fact that Davidson had very little protection against Villanova. The Nova defense got equal penetration across the line. It was not just ends, it was everyone. We did not have the ability to protect the QB and make holes. This is not defense. Look how overweight 2 or 3 of our offensive front linemen are. This is basic stuff. Exercise and nutrition. I mean fans in the stands were talking about it almost every home game. We still have a very knowledgeable fan base.
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Haha. Lots to think about in this thread. Someone just said this board is hating. We can’t do that!!! Palladian and nation have been calling this the cheerleader board for far too long.
Tressel, attendance, the 90’s OH MY!!! To be clear on some of the posts, Heacock got us in the playoffs once in ‘06. The Wolf couldn’t win in November let alone win enough to make the playoffs.
Funny how no one mentions big BP much. You talk sooo much about kids coaching kids but fail to remember what HIS staff consisted of. Maybe it’s NOT about inexperienced staff or the lack of money but rather, we just haven’t found another Tressel. Hate to break it to ya…we probably wont. JT, attendance AND the 90’s were an anomaly. Not likely to happen again. Look at the crumble happening in NDSU. And look at the attendance at Nova. If memory serves me, I heard 5k fans? And what did we have the week before, 3,500? Man…that’s a helluva margin. What’s that tell you? ITS. NOT. JUST. YSU. And who said NDSU attendance is even falling? And they’re only a COUPLE years removed from their dynasty.
Hate to break THIS to you also. IF we happen to be ranked top 10 this year, I’d say that’s not too shabby, actually.
Look, I get it…I want to be a power house. I wish the 90’s never happened as even I want that again.
I’d say, be satisfied with the very small incremental progress we have made over the last few years and go to church. Cuz ain’t too many more flags gonna be hung without some prayer and another anomaly.
Go GUINS!!!
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Haha. Lots to think about in this thread. Someone just said this board is hating. We can’t do that!!! Palladian and nation have been calling this the cheerleader board for far too long.
Tressel, attendance, the 90’s OH MY!!! To be clear on some of the posts, Heacock got us in the playoffs once in ‘06. The Wolf couldn’t win in November let alone win enough to make the playoffs.
Funny how no one mentions big BP much. You talk sooo much about kids coaching kids but fail to remember what HIS staff consisted of. Maybe it’s NOT about inexperienced staff or the lack of money but rather, we just haven’t found another Tressel. Hate to break it to ya…we probably wont. JT, attendance AND the 90’s were an anomaly. Not likely to happen again. Look at the crumble happening in NDSU. And look at the attendance at Nova. If memory serves me, I heard 5k fans? And what did we have the week before, 3,500? Man…that’s a helluva margin. What’s that tell you? ITS. NOT. JUST. YSU. And who said NDSU attendance is even falling? And they’re only a COUPLE years removed from their dynasty.
Hate to break THIS to you also. IF we happen to be ranked top 10 this year, I’d say that’s not too shabby, actually.
Look, I get it…I want to be a power house. I wish the 90’s never happened as even I want that again.
I’d say, be satisfied with the very small incremental progress we have made over the last few years and go to church. Cuz ain’t too many more flags gonna be hung without some prayer and another anomaly.
Go GUINS!!!
NDSU isn't selling out their games this year after their losses. It's a fact. Maytthat changes with playoffs
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Haha. Lots to think about in this thread. Someone just said this board is hating. We can’t do that!!! Palladian and nation have been calling this the cheerleader board for far too long.
Tressel, attendance, the 90’s OH MY!!! To be clear on some of the posts, Heacock got us in the playoffs once in ‘06. The Wolf couldn’t win in November let alone win enough to make the playoffs.
Funny how no one mentions big BP much. You talk sooo much about kids coaching kids but fail to remember what HIS staff consisted of. Maybe it’s NOT about inexperienced staff or the lack of money but rather, we just haven’t found another Tressel. Hate to break it to ya…we probably wont. JT, attendance AND the 90’s were an anomaly. Not likely to happen again. Look at the crumble happening in NDSU. And look at the attendance at Nova. If memory serves me, I heard 5k fans? And what did we have the week before, 3,500? Man…that’s a helluva margin. What’s that tell you? ITS. NOT. JUST. YSU. And who said NDSU attendance is even falling? And they’re only a COUPLE years removed from their dynasty.
Hate to break THIS to you also. IF we happen to be ranked top 10 this year, I’d say that’s not too shabby, actually.
Look, I get it…I want to be a power house. I wish the 90’s never happened as even I want that again.
I’d say, be satisfied with the very small incremental progress we have made over the last few years and go to church. Cuz ain’t too many more flags gonna be hung without some prayer and another anomaly.
Go GUINS!!!
Nice now someone's speapking english ^^ Wolford couldn't hold Heacocks jock..
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Sagarin has YSU as the 10th highest 1AA school!
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Haha. Lots to think about in this thread. Someone just said this board is hating. We can’t do that!!! Palladian and nation have been calling this the cheerleader board for far too long.
Tressel, attendance, the 90’s OH MY!!! To be clear on some of the posts, Heacock got us in the playoffs once in ‘06. The Wolf couldn’t win in November let alone win enough to make the playoffs.
Funny how no one mentions big BP much. You talk sooo much about kids coaching kids but fail to remember what HIS staff consisted of. Maybe it’s NOT about inexperienced staff or the lack of money but rather, we just haven’t found another Tressel. Hate to break it to ya…we probably wont. JT, attendance AND the 90’s were an anomaly. Not likely to happen again. Look at the crumble happening in NDSU. And look at the attendance at Nova. If memory serves me, I heard 5k fans? And what did we have the week before, 3,500? Man…that’s a helluva margin. What’s that tell you? ITS. NOT. JUST. YSU. And who said NDSU attendance is even falling? And they’re only a COUPLE years removed from their dynasty.
Hate to break THIS to you also. IF we happen to be ranked top 10 this year, I’d say that’s not too shabby, actually.
Look, I get it…I want to be a power house. I wish the 90’s never happened as even I want that again.
I’d say, be satisfied with the very small incremental progress we have made over the last few years and go to church. Cuz ain’t too many more flags gonna be hung without some prayer and another anomaly.
Go GUINS!!!
I would hope we are called a cheerleader board. After all this is a pro-YSU board :)
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The way playoffs progressed here are the teams I have above ysu:
SDSU, Montana, NDSU, Villanova, Montana St., Furman (close), USD (close)
I think we are better than UND, Delaware, Idaho, Albany but they would have an argument.
Not to shabby (#7 or 8 th best team)in a solid fcs this year. The fcs is predicting to place 8 percent of spots on NFL rosters next year. I feel like the top 40 fcs teams which would include us are significantly more talented than the bottom 40 fbs teams plus we play for something. Go Guins.
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We might be as high as 8 or as low as 12. And after SDSU smashes Montana in the championship game, it will be obvious that we lost in the playoffs to the second best FCS team.
I watched about 10 minutes of the Ohio (9-3) and Georgia Southern (6-6) minor bowl game on Saturday. The announcers kept stressing the number of Ohio players that were absent because they had already entered the portal. They concluded that these minor bowl games were good because they give young players a chance to display their talents to the coaching staff. OK, fine. The goal of a G5 football season is to play in a meaningless bowl game without starters who have already transferred. Compare that nonsense to the intensity of the NDSU-Montana State, Montana-Furman, and NDSU-Montana playoff games.
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You know, I am somewhat different than most on the board, as I really only like YSU sports. Sure I keep my eyes on the Orioles and occasionally the Tribe, but I would rather go to a YSU baseball game any day of the week. When I lived locally, if I was off, I would shoot over to campus and watch any number of other sports. I lived right around the corner from McCune and saw Penguin softball quite a bit, as I helped coach my little brother's ball team there.
That being said I do not care about the AFC Central/North, even if I check out the Browns game once in a while. Instead I check out the teams in the MVFC and Horizon. That being said:
1. I may have been too harsh, but even toning it down, I still do not see us in the top-20.
2. Remember that men's basketball (and women's sports in general) drive conference affiliation. That does not seem to be the case in the very near future does it?