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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: ysubigred on October 26, 2011, 08:52:14 AM
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They are going to be looking for 7 "only" football schools. The Geographic's is right. Recruiting would be better (more attractive) for big time recruits etc...
Thoughts?
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We can't afford it. People in Y-town won't pay $10 for a ticket. How will we be able to afford it?
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they won't pay $10 to see St. Francis.....but I think they would to see Big East teams....and they would fill up the visitors side...
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they won't pay $10 to see St. Francis.....but I think they would to see Big East teams....and they would fill up the visitors side...
Another hurdle to think about is the 30k seat requirement for a 1BCS stadium. Funds are always an issue especially with the economy. Where is the $$ going to come from to add onto Stambaugh? You'd think in the long run with all the travel costs associated with heading to the Dakota's etc.. more butts in the seats at the Ice Castle and the TV revenue's from ESPN for Tues, Thursday night games it would make sense monetarily in the long run.
I'll miss the playoff's but in the MVFC if your not 1 or 2 you may not see the playoff's!! :o
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A few weeks ago we talked about delusional UW-Milwaukee fans thinking they had a chance to be part of the Big East for basketball.
You guys are worse than that thinking YSU could play Big East football.
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A few weeks ago we talked about delusional UW-Milwaukee fans thinking they had a chance to be part of the Big East for basketball.
You guys are worse than that thinking YSU could play Big East football.
Last time I checked the Big least isn't to stellar this year. They are losing most of the "power" schools to the Big 12, SEC etc.. Cincy, Louisville, UCONN, Rutgers, S. FLA and Syracuse is all that's left add 7 new team like YSU we may not win but we'll be on TV more often than we'll be making the playoff's :) A 12 team Big East will be broken down into a east/west or north/south with a championship game. 6-5 get's a bowl game and win the BE gets a BCS game and millions of $$$. Give YSU a few years with 80 scholly's and the chance to show case the facilities to recruits that want to be seen on TV on a national level I see nothing but upward and on ward!!
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We can't even get people to join the Penguin Club. How are we going to get the money year over year? How?
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Most insane idea. Ever. Whatever bigred is smoking is obviously high-powered.
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http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/)
Football expenditures
Rutgers $19.5 million
Connecticut $14.4 million
West Virginia $14.3 million
Louisville $12.2 million
South Florida $12.1 million
Cincinnati $11.6 million
total athletic expenditures
YSU - $11.9 million ($3.1 million on football)
YSU can't play financially at MAC levels, let alone this level.
Youngstown Warren = 110th largest television market (right there with Fort Wayne and Sioux Falls). I'm sure ESPN is falling all over itself to get that size TV market (where more people are O$U fans than YSU fans) in to the Big East.
YBR - you need to quit starting to tailgate on Wednesday morning.
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http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/)
Football expenditures
Rutgers $19.5 million
Connecticut $14.4 million
West Virginia $14.3 million
Louisville $12.2 million
South Florida $12.1 million
Cincinnati $11.6 million
total athletic expenditures
YSU - $11.9 million ($3.1 million on football)
YSU can't play financially at MAC levels, let alone this level.
Youngstown Warren = 110th largest television market (right there with Fort Wayne and Sioux Falls). I'm sure ESPN is falling all over itself to get that size TV market (where more people are O$U fans than YSU fans) in to the Big East.
YBR - you need to quit starting to tailgate on Wednesday morning.
Indy my man!! The voice of reason ;) Just striking up a conversation with the masses. fb
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Everyone has hopes and dreams to move up and become more prominent and well-known on a national stage. Timing is critical. However, this is a highly transitional time period for many teams and conferences, and I like to entertain the ideas of moving a program forward.
However, all the moves at the FBS level are being made to make teams more and more money. And I am not sure how many of the university presidents and AD's have really taken a clear look at what is happening in this ever changing landscape. But I don't think the number is very high and it is likely that many of these teams will lose out over time. Boise State may be one of the only teams that is looking to move forward in a manner in which they don't grow too rapidly and lose out what they have gained over a period since the late 1980s when started their rise in 1-AA.
As for the "rebuilding" Big East...who else would they be building with? Other FCS schools? It would give teams moving up the chance to get 6 wins in their first year, but will the BCS "X" out their automatic bid?
Is the MAC or Conference USA a good fit? Of course all of the teams in the MAC would make it easier for a fan to drive to the game but what do the other teams in these conferences think? And we may have a chance to win the East division of Conference USA. Would it make it tougher on recruiting for other schools or YSU? Would Kent State or Akron really want us in? And the major question before any decision in the post mortgage fall-out...Can we afford it?
I like the idea of moving up and understand that we should be looking outside the MVFC for a transition as soon as practical, but right now may not be the right time to move up to FBS. Unless we get an offer that we can not refuse.
Z
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Everyone has hopes and dreams to move up and become more prominent and well-known on a national stage. Timing is critical. However, this is a highly transitional time period for many teams and conferences, and I like to entertain the ideas of moving a program forward.
However, all the moves at the FBS level are being made to make teams more and more money. And I am not sure how many of the university presidents and AD's have really taken a clear look at what is happening in this ever changing landscape. But I don't think the number is very high and it is likely that many of these teams will lose out over time. Boise State may be one of the only teams that is looking to move forward in a manner in which they don't grow too rapidly and lose out what they have gained over a period since the late 1980s when started their rise in 1-AA.
As for the "rebuilding" Big East...who else would they be building with? Other FCS schools? It would give teams moving up the chance to get 6 wins in their first year, but will the BCS "X" out their automatic bid?
Is the MAC or Conference USA a good fit? Of course all of the teams in the MAC would make it easier for a fan to drive to the game but what do the other teams in these conferences think? And we may have a chance to win the East division of Conference USA. Would it make it tougher on recruiting for other schools or YSU? Would Kent State or Akron really want us in? And the major question before any decision in the post mortgage fall-out...Can we afford it?
I like the idea of moving up and understand that we should be looking outside the MVFC for a transition as soon as practical, but right now may not be the right time to move up to FBS. Unless we get an offer that we can not refuse.
Z
I like it. ^^^ Another voice of reason fb
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Rutgers and UConn are trying to bail from the Big East. Doesn't leave much. Here in Delaware, Blue Hen fans for the most part want to stay FCS in the CAA rather than make any move. Best to wait til the dust settles. Bigger changes may be on the horizon.
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Most insane idea. Ever. Whatever bigred is smoking is obviously high-powered.
Ask Drac or Happy :) I've got good stuff :-*
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We can't even get people to join the Penguin Club. How are we going to get the money year over year? How?
Maybe joining a higher profile conference with the possibility of bringing a traveling fan base to the ICE Castle would bring the fun back to the stadium and this excitement would overflow to the PC. :)
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This thread should be renamed 'Pipe Dream'
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they won't pay $10 to see St. Francis.....but I think they would to see Big East teams....and they would fill up the visitors side...
Another hurdle to think about is the 30k seat requirement for a 1BCS stadium. Funds are always an issue especially with the economy. Where is the $$ going to come from to add onto Stambaugh? You'd think in the long run with all the travel costs associated with heading to the Dakota's etc.. more butts in the seats at the Ice Castle and the TV revenue's from ESPN for Tues, Thursday night games it would make sense monetarily in the long run.
I'll miss the playoff's but in the MVFC if your not 1 or 2 you may not see the playoff's!! :o
YBR ...it used to be 30k seats or 17k attendance. It is now 15k attendance only ...no seating requirments. Many schools in MAC and Sun were "grandfathered" back to the 30k requirement to keep them IA ...but that is changing as well.
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With those stellar graduation rates, perhaps the Ivy League may come calling. ;) ;D
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Rutgers and UConn are trying to bail from the Big East. Doesn't leave much. Here in Delaware, Blue Hen fans for the most part want to stay FCS in the CAA rather than make any move. Best to wait til the dust settles. Bigger changes may be on the horizon.
The key word there being "Horizon". Basketball dictates conference moves. When it doesn't ...you can use marshall as an example
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We don't have the cash...our fanbase has shrunk ...sadly we are stuck in a league that i feel could careless that we are in it...
If we moved I would love the CAA...but my small contribution to the penguinclub wont get us there!
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Honestly! This topic flares up every year! Read Indy's post. We don't have the money to play with the Big Boys. We will never have the money to play with the Big Boys. And that is not really a bad thing. Take a deep breath and think about what we have. We play in the best mid-major basketball league, one that is superior to that MAC that some of you seem to worship. We play in one of the four football power conferences in FCS. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with the places where we are situated. Winning football and competitive basketball could cure everything. And those are the ends to which we should be channeling our energies.
Henguin, are you still out there? Some of us would like to hook up with the remnants of the current CAA, if that football conference survives this turmoil. So, do you believe that the CAA will survive? Would the surviving members be interested in Youngstown State as the western terminal of CAA football?
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Honestly! This topic flares up every year! Read Indy's post. We don't have the money to play with the Big Boys. We will never have the money to play with the Big Boys. And that is not really a bad thing. Take a deep breath and think about what we have. We play in the best mid-major basketball league, one that is superior to that MAC that some of you seem to worship. We play in one of the four football power conferences in FCS. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with the places where we are situated. Winning football and competitive basketball could cure everything. And those are the ends to which we should be channeling our energies.
Henguin, are you still out there? Some of us would like to hook up with the remnants of the current CAA, if that football conference survives this turmoil. So, do you believe that the CAA will survive? Would the surviving members be interested in Youngstown State as the western terminal of CAA football?
I think the CAA will survive, however JMU and new comer Old Dominion have made significant investments in their stadiums opening the door to moving up. The question is to what. Delaware is content where they are. Some of the talk aound here is the formation of a new D1 conference cherry picking the best of the CAA and Southern Conference and maybe Temple. IMO not a bad idea. But due to the finance issues I think the status quo will remain for a while. Villanova was all pumped to move to the Big East but reality set in. Their football team has no fan base. Don't know what the politics would be to get YSU in the CAA. I know Delaware fans would like to see YSU on the schedule. (I would wear my Penguin gear for that game.) They are tired of West Chester, Delaware State and Duquesne type games. With the loss of UMass and Rhode Island next year and last year of Hofstra and Northeastern, the CAA has become a Southern conference. Not sure it would be a good fit for YSU.
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Villanova was all pumped to move to the Big East but reality set in. Their football team has no fan base.
How can that be? The greatest university of them all?
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Where's Nova hiding?
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Where's Nova hiding?
He's trollin... Seen a coment on YSU grad rate LOL!!!
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Leave poor Nova alone. He's dealing with a 1-7 football team and an unfortunately close relationship with Lecter!!
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Please end this stupid topic and worry about surviving in the conferences we are currently in.
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Amen. Let's take care of the business front of us.
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Please end this stupid topic and worry about surviving in the conferences we are currently in.
It's a message board just to bullshat on. Post something about surviving the conference we're currently in to keep us up to date.
This board is as fun as the fans in the stadium we call home :o
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Amen. Let's take care of the business front of us.
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yeah this is a good topic. Most everything we discuss is bs. It makes things fun.