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Clarksville, Tenn. -- Sophomore Kendrick Perry scored 20 points and junior Damian Eargle posted a double-double with 14 points and 10 rebounds but the Youngstown State men's basketball team dropped a 71-68 decision to Austin Peay in the 2012 Sears BracketBusters game on Saturday evening at the Dunn Center.
Senior DuShawn Brooks scored 13 points and junior Blake Allen added 10 points with five assists for the Guins, who fall to 14-13 after the loss.
Austin Peay improves to 10-19 overall and was led by TyShwan Edmundson's game-high 23 points while coming off the bench.
The Guins made more field goals (24-22) and more 3-pointers (13-6) and shot 44.8 percent from 3-point range, but the Governors connected on 21-of-27 from the free throw line while the Guins were just 7-of-10.
The Governors, who shot just 33 percent from the field for the game, dominated the boards, outrebounding the Guins, 51-32, with 27 coming on the offensive glass and scored 29 second-chance points.
In the second half, the Governors outscored the Guins, 43-35, thanks in part to 14 offensive rebounds and 16 second-chance points.In contrast, the Guins had 10 total rebounds after halftime.
The Governors led by six, 66-60, with 1:07 to go when the Guins made a late charge and cut the deficit to one, 66-65, after a 3-pointer by Allen and a layup by Perry with 19 seconds left.
APSU's Jerome Clyburn made just the first of two free throws to put the Governors up two, 67-65, but he knocked the ball away Kendrick Perry as he was driving the to the basket. Perry fouled Edmundson and he made two more charity tosses to go up four, 69-65.
Perry hit another 3-pointer with five seconds left to get within one, 69-68, but Josh Terry made two free throws for the game's final score.
Leading by one, 41-40, made three 3-pointers in less than two minutes to build an eight-point lead, 50-42, with 12:52 to go.
Austin Peay then used a 15-2 run over the next five minutes sparked by eight points from Edmundson to take a 57-52 lead with 7:40 remaining.
During that run, the Governors took their first lead of the game on a jumper by Edmundson at the 10:03 mark.
The Guins scored the first nine points of the game and twice led by as many as 10 points in the first eight minutes of the game.
An Eargle layup at 14:42 to the Guins up, 13-3, and a 3-pointer by Ward gave the Guins an 18-8 advantage with 11:47 to go.
APSU tied the game at 24-24 with 6:53 to go but the Guins used a 9-4 to close out the half with a 33-28 lead.
The Guins return to Horizon League action when they host Wright State, Thursday, Feb. 23. Tipoff is set for 7:05 p.m. at the Beeghly Center.
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Very quiet. So I will say it. This is worst team we faced all year, yet some how we found a way to lose. We lost this game back at the very beginning. We scored 9-points before they could even hit the rim. Then we back-off and went three-point happy, which resulted in the score going from 9-0 ...to 13-12 in the next few minutes. APSU never should have been in this game. Unacceptable.
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Austin Peay was a 2 1/2 point favorite going in to the game. So the result is not surprising at all to the people who are paid big money to set the numbers. APSU was worse than Fredonia St?????
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Slocum needs to go. Horrible, another loss to a bad team. When does football season start?
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27 offensive rebounds by Austin Peay is why YSU lost. They out rebounded YSU 51-32...... There is a glaring weakness on this team that includes size, toughness and the ability to put a body on someone as the other team releases the shot. Sorry but that is 7th grade basketball..... You don't get 27 bad bounces in 1 game... Please note that Austin Peay did beat Tennessee in Knoxville....
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No doubt a disappointing loss. But APSU is far from the "worst team" on YSU's schedule, especially at home. They have lost 3 games at home: Middle Tennessee (already clinched Sun Belt), Murray State (already clinched OVC) and Belmont (leading the Atlantic Sun). APSU lost by one in overtime to Detroit on a neutral floor one week before YSU beat Detroit. As noted above they won at Tennessee - no matter how bad a SEC team is, a win over one on the road is a good win.
Overall a good day for the Horizon League, 7-3 in Bracket Busters in a "down" year.
Again, a disappointing loss - but the "Fire Slocum" crowd after every loss is getting old.
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I am not in favor of "firing Slocum" at all. In fact, I wish they would announce now for recruiting, and will be very upset if he goes. However, I do not feel this team (APSU) should have been competitive with us. Not the team I saw yesterday. That was a bad UDM team they lost to ...not a bad team now that they return their two best players. I just want some consistency on the court. The rebounding issue also comes from 3-point shots. High powered shots do not leave too many second-chances.
As to rebounds, tell me if I am wrong, it seems as though we position ourselves on the perimeter defensively. I am thinking it has to with being used to offensive positioning because of the three.
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We have match up problems with teams that have decent bigs...needs to be addressed..Slocum gets 1 more year. I hope we can get a home turney game. But I think we have ran out of gas!
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I know many on this board are in favor of keeping Slocum, but I for one don't see why.
This is his seventh season and the following are his YSU records:
05/06 7 - 21
06/07 14 - 17
07/08 9 - 21
08/09 11 - 19
09/10 8 - 22
10/11 9 - 21
11/12 14 - 13
Total: 72 wins - 134 loss:
If you remove the 12 div.11 and div. 111 games; the likes of Slippery Rock, Lock Haven, Allegheny, Hiram, Geneva, Malone, Fredonia State and the likes - the record is:
60 wins - 134 loss
No other coach in the horizon league would have gotten a chance on a 7th season!!
Slocum may be a very nice person and have a splendid personality, but he is ineffective as a division basketball coach. He does't promote driving to the basket to get possible fouls and usually the YSU team gets 10- 15 foul shots per game when the oppenent may get 20- 25 foul shots per game.
He tends to have his players work hard on the perimeter to get off a 3 point shot, which may be good if you're making 45% or greater.
Yes, he has won a few big games, like Butler, Cleveland State and Milwaukee, but how about the close ones he was supposed to win.
I am curious why do many of you think Slocum deserves another year?
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I think he a good game manager. He is prepared to play the teams faces ...positioning etc. He takes the talent that he has and makes the most of it. Yes, this should not be a consideration, but he $imply a great coaching value.
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I just think they need a fresh start. Starting from the top
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This is the least attractive job in the Horizon League and one of the least attractive among the "better" mid-major leagues.
The budget is inferior to most of their peers, basketball is going to play second fiddle to football.
The team has increased their league record by at least 7 games (fourth most in NCAA Division I from a note I saw the other day). You might have your first winning season in a decade and your first winning league season since joining the Horizon League.
So yeah, lets fire the coach after he puts together the best season the school has seen in about 10 years.
I am sure you will get a long list of qualified coaches who will want a crappy job under those circumstances.
I wouldn't have objected to a coaching change before this season or two seasons ago. But to make a change now would be asinine.
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Thanks Indy for bringing some sanity back to these threads. Again, if you didn't change coaches after a 9-21 or whatever season, why now? And, as Indy says, who's coming here??
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If you had an employee who was not getting results at your job would they keep him/her? Probably not.
So then why is it different at YSU? Slocum has not gotten the results nor the fans in our valley excited about basketball. A coaches responsibility is to win games and recruit kids that can give the team a chance of winning and he has done none of this period.
For those who think his game prep is good then why did we get blown out at home in front of the home fans against CSU and Butler? I am tired of hearing we are dealt a low budget and such. Give me a break on that excuse by all of you. That is getting old. Do you think Robert Morris has a better budget than us? No but they just won 20 games and have post playesr that can play.
We need a new direction for the program now.
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Maybe if Slocum is not fired he still resigns and goes back to Gannon Tech where 6-5" players may help you out.
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I am tired of hearing we are dealt a low budget and such. Give me a break on that excuse by all of you. That is getting old. Do you think Robert Morris has a better budget than us? No but they just won 20 games and have post playesr that can play.
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx)
Total men's basketball expenses:
Robert Morris $1,164,410
YSU $1,022,407
Try again.
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I do not agree with you Pride. You act as though anything below YSU is "chicken feed", and coach S' record at Gannon can just be dismissed. Not so. You do not have the big-time players there, yet he could recruit. We already went through a coach that had a resume at a bigger basketball school, and what did it get us? ...nothing. Waters was a gamble at CSU ...a coach they cannot afford & questionable resume. Slocum is the type of person that you need to help bring long-term success to a program like ours. Before Slocum, when were you able to listen to a coach comment about some of the prep players tourney's, and some kids that he saw? When did we receive invites to the summer Pitt camp?
I do not want this to become a football thread, but think about this. Had coach H remained at HC/DC, the $$$ were invested and YSU brought in coach Monty at OC ...where would we be right now? Two lessons with this story:
1. Do not discount the $$$ invested in a program. Over $250k each brought us a lousy DC, and a great OC. In the mean time, a good DC in Restkis (who worked at YSU for about 1/5 of Kravitz salary) went to Miami. So as the university invests more in basketball ...the court, the lockers, weight rooms, etc. we are seeing results.
2. You asked if any of us would keep a person with a mediocre record, comparing it to the business world? Well, as an administrator in the business world, I would understand what Slocum was hired into, what it is now. I see that his contract is due, and there has been marked improvements. Now, the smart admin asks the coach what caused the success, what caused the lack of success in years past (even before coach S was hired-in), and what is he going to do to keep this success going (and growing), and what can you (the coach) and I (the university) do to help you achieve this success, and prevent us from going back to a less successful environment?
If coach S has some good ideas, and we (YSU admin) can offer him the support that he requests ...he has a new contract (longer than 1-year). The alternative is self-explanatory.
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Just let idiots like YsuPride (there's a joke of a name) rant. It's one of the reasons our overall fan base is a joke. Some would rather see us lose. Pathetic.
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Slocum, earned at least another year or 2. He could have this year and didnt. I am not a big fan of him, BUT, he could have stayed at Gannon and got his 16-18 wins with out breaking a sweat. But he decided to come to a program that was in the crapper due to Robic, and now he has got us to the point if he can reel of a couple of good years , he will get us out of the crapper. We dont have money and I don't see the detractors donating 5k a year we need about a 100 of those to get a coach that you think we all deserve. Mahoning Valley fans are cheap. So unless you want to give up some Benjamins...Slocum is our Coach!!!
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Indy- When you are spending over a Million $'s on basketball then what is $100,000 grand going to do to you. Nothing. I don't think the extra $100k plus gets them the better players than we got. Robert Morris plays in what some would say a h.s sized arena in a piss poor conference yet they beat us each year and win 20 plus games. The coaching staffsf are like politicians and have to convince players to come here so then Slocum must not be a good seller of our program.
ItalianPenguin-Our fan base is a joke because we don't win and not because of posts on a website. Some like myself want to have a winner that's why some of us are passionate about winning and hoping for change.
You guys must like losing but some of us don't.
I wouldn't be attending games for 30 years if I wanted YSU to lose. You have your opinions and I have mine that is what this board is for right?
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Pride--believe me there's nobody that wants to win more than I do. But you have to look at reality, especially when it comes to basketball. We are in a conference where NOBODY plays scholarship football but us. That means the other schools have much higher budgets than we do. And as I stated...if Slocum was brought back on a 9-21 record, you can rest assured he'll be back next year. For what we pay, he may be as good as it gets. Budget restraints are bad now, and probably not going to get any better soon under this Governor. Football got all the dough.
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Indy- When you are spending over a Million $'s on basketball then what is $100,000 grand going to do to you. Nothing. I don't think the extra $100k plus gets them the better players than we got. Robert Morris plays in what some would say a h.s sized arena in a piss poor conference yet they beat us each year and win 20 plus games.
You seriously don't have a clue. Another 100K is almost 3 times YSU's current recruiting budget for basketball. That means YSU's coaches can travel to more National AAU events to recruit instead of having to focus on regional events only. I travel to most of the big summer events (I coach an AAU team). YSU is the only HL team that isn't at all of the summer events. The reason is your coaching staff cannot afford it.
In regards to Robert Morris, their coach has about a 10000X easier sales job at Robert Morris than he would have if he was trying to sell YSU to a recruit. Robert Morris has a recent history of success. I don't think YSU has had back to back winning seasons in the LIFETIME of most high school recruits. Robert Morris has gone to the post season pretty consistently recently. YSU has never played a post season game. Robert Morris is in an absolutely great town: Pittsburgh. YSU is in Youngstown. Robert Morris plays in a small arena but they pack that little arena and they have loud loyal fans. YSU plays in a mostly empty gym. Can you see why a recruit might prefer to go to RM over YSU?
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Big D-It is not easy to sell Robert Morris to recruits. They don't fill the gym like you say. Avg attendance is 1,400 with a 3,000 plus capacity. Filled? They only have recent history of winning because of coaches like Mike Rice and such. I know Rice from his HS days at Boardman and have even spoke to him just when he was at RMU and he did say recruiting was very difficult at that school. RMU has good coaches that can recruit and that is the difference. If you say 100k is 3x our recruiting budget then we got some issues with the AD. That is unacceptable. Get rid of dead weight in our athletic dept to free up some cash and plus play at least 2 more money b-ball games and then the cash magically appears. But that will never happen right? I know Slocum will be given another year unfortunately so I guess we have to put up with this losing until he resigns.
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Big D-It is not easy to sell Robert Morris to recruits. They don't fill the gym like you say. Avg attendance is 1,400 with a 3,000 plus capacity. Filled? They only have recent history of winning because of coaches like Mike Rice and such. I know Rice from his HS days at Boardman and have even spoke to him just when he was at RMU and he did say recruiting was very difficult at that school. RMU has good coaches that can recruit and that is the difference. If you say 100k is 3x our recruiting budget then we got some issues with the AD. That is unacceptable. Get rid of dead weight in our athletic dept to free up some cash and plus play at least 2 more money b-ball games and then the cash magically appears. But that will never happen right? I know Slocum will be given another year unfortunately so I guess we have to put up with this losing until he resigns.
RMU is over 70% capacity for league games. They don't do as well for OOC games because they can't schedule good OOC teams to play at home. Regardless, 1400 loud fans in a 3000 seat arena looks and sounds much more impressive than YSUs 2500 fans in your 6300 seat arena. I have watched games at both places. It's not even close in comparison.
In regards to recruiting. Get a clue. RMU is located in a great area to bring kids to. Hell, they don't even have to drive more than 2 hours away to recruit if they don't want to. They can recruit the Pittsburg/Philly area alone and make a great team with the 3rd and 4th tier talent from that area. They have winning teams. They compete for league championships. They play in the NCAAs. RMU is a very good PRIVATE school where you will get a great education. YSU has none of those advantages. Everyone in America knows where Pittsburg is. Who in the hell has heard of Youngstown Ohio and who in their right mind would choose to live in Youngstown when they could pick Pittsburg. YSU has no history of success to sell to recuits. You are stuck recruiting primarily in Ohio due to your pathetic recruiting budget. You have to compete against OSU, UC, X, UD, and all of the HL and MAC teams that recruit this area. THE ONLY ADVANTAGE you could sell for YSU over RMU is that you are in a better conference and any recruit is going to look at that as a disadvantage because you have NEVER seriously been competitive in the HL. Why would a kid want to go someplace that won't spend enough money to compete in their own conference when they could go to a place to win championships, get a better education, and live in a better area.
Hiring a new coach isn't going to get you any different results than keeping Slocum. YSU needs to decide to make the same financial commitment to basketball as it did for football if you want to succeed. As my high school coach used to say--you aren't going to win a gun fight when you go into it with a slingshot.
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Last time I looked RMU is only 50 miles from y-town so I would guess we have the same recruiting area as they do. We only have money to recruit Ohio but we recruit guys from Florida and Juco's all over. You make a whole lot of sense then right? I guess you can come up with all the excuses to not get rid of Slocum but his record here speaks for itself. I wonder how many players will leave this year again so we can then sign YMCA talent at the last minute but we can blame that on budget and not the fact that his player turnover is his fault. He recruits the best player for sure.
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Maybe recruits don't want to come here because Slocum has zero personality and it aweful with the media.
He would rather make fun of Robb Smidt than answer questions and you know I am right on that. Ask the local media. I know of a few students at YSU who have players in their class and Slocum is not liked. Wouldn't be surprised if Kendrick Perry transfers.
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Yes, and many "regular people" like that personality. I attend many football practices, and he is always there showing a young kid how to do something (and not just basketball). He stands at the entrance of football games and helps hand out the weekly give-a-ways. I don't see other coaches doing this. You will even see him at baseball games.
Sure he spars with the media, most of the time it is funny. Unfortunately he does not have the W/L record, or tenure, of a JoePA (who was just as bad or worse with the media), to let it slide. However, I have never heard any negativity from players.
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Last time I looked RMU is only 50 miles from y-town so I would guess we have the same recruiting area as they do. We only have money to recruit Ohio but we recruit guys from Florida and Juco's all over. You make a whole lot of sense then right?
You are located in the same general area as RMU. You still can't compete with what they have to offer: better city, better education, consistent winner, NCAA tourneys, etc. WSU is located an hour away from Cincinatti. We aren't going to beat out Xavier for any recruits for all of the reason I listed above for you. And I stand by what I said about Slocum's recruiting budget. He primarily has to recruit Ohio AAU events and Ohio schools. So you might want to take a look at the schedules of the teams where your recruits came from. I bet you will see that most of those JUCO players played against one of Ohio's JC teams at some point in time. And I know for a fact that Slocum saw Kendrick Perry (your florida kid) play at an AAU event in Columbus. I was there.
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Maybe recruits don't want to come here because Slocum has zero personality and it aweful with the media.
He would rather make fun of Robb Smidt than answer questions and you know I am right on that. Ask the local media. I know of a few students at YSU who have players in their class and Slocum is not liked. Wouldn't be surprised if Kendrick Perry transfers.
Can't see Perry transferring, why wouldnt he done it last year...I think you are delusional!!!
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I hear Perry is very homesick and this is coming from students who know him that I have been in contact with. His brother I guess is in Columbus and that has kept him here. I hope he doesn't leave but I am just letting you know what students in his classes tell me. This is not being delusional but what I hear. Lets hope he stays. Those students are ones that work for me after school. I always ask them questions about players and such. They fill me in.
Nice win tonight and I congratulate Slocum for now. The crowd was pathetic though.
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He may not see POY this year, but it will happen before he leaves YSU ...at least once.
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Well, lets hope he stays...he has a good chance on being Horizon Player of the year...I agree about the crowd. I will be there Saturday...if i wasnt out of state would of been there last night!
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As to an earlier comment - His brother Aubrey was a soccer player at South Florida and was drafted in the second round of the MLS draft by the Columbus Crew.