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The defense is for real and they are playing like title contenders. Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Offensive play calling is horrible and we could have won by 70 if Montgomery wasn't calling the plays
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Broken record. He is the OC ...deal with it. I think he is fantastic. There is unquestionably no other team, at the I-AA/FCS level with this high-end caliber of OC.
Start talking constructive criticisms of the offense:
1. Wells has been less than stellar and may never be any better.
2. O line is just too inexperienced (and lacks depth).
3. We do not have a DI big back ...sorry, but a TE is a TE is a TE. I liked the two-back look today, but not certain if we have enough beef for the xDSU's, UNI, and SIU.
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A win is always awesome, esp a win in the MVFC.....but look at these stats from last season....
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/14/team-all.pdf
Wells was picked off twice by the leagues worst team in INT. USD has the worst D in the MVFC...and its not even close....and they froze out our offense after the first quarter. The late TDs were due to opportunities from the D and special teams.
We put up 37 points and 400 yards on Pitt....hopefully the high snaps, dropped passes, procedural penalties are fixed before ISUr.
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Broken record. He is the OC ...deal with it. I think he is fantastic. There is unquestionably no other team, at the I-AA/FCS level with this high-end caliber of OC.
Start talking constructive criticisms of the offense:
1. Wells has been less than stellar and may never be any better.
2. O line is just too inexperienced (and lacks depth).
3. We do not have a DI big back ...sorry, but a TE is a TE is a TE. I liked the two-back look today, but not certain if we have enough beef for the xDSU's, UNI, and SIU.
You are alone in thinking he is fantastic. I just don't get it 1-AA fan.... How? Defense is great!!
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I really do not care if I am alone. The bottom line is this. He is qualified beyond belief at this level. His offense is very high-powered and very explosive (quick-striking). In short, he can put a lot of points up on the board ...real quick.
-This is not a traditional YSU offense, no smash-mouth here. So I can truly understand why there is a love-hate relationship with the fans. However, is it any different then fans dealing with Bo's personality (which we were led to believe is loud and passionate) all of us were saying that it is okay ...as long as he wins. Coach M wants to win as well and his offenses were not completely stopped yesterday, nor any game this season. In fact, I can only think of 1 or 2 games where we were stopped on offense since coach M took over.
-Coach M's offense is still run-based and requires a great deal from the QB and the front line. Most teams cannot stop it, they can just "manage" it. Pitt stopped it at first, then they just tried to contain it & concentrated on putting up more points than we could. However, if you are going to stop it, you need to break down our front & "blow it up"; we saw this happen at Pitt, RMU and yesterday.
-I would point back to coach Tressel and the most repetitive & predictable offenses. The only change-up was off-tackle left, as opposed to off-tackle right.
-We should all be impressed with how our defense has been able to adapt to the new system, especially when you consider how our systematic our offense is.
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I am giving monty the benefit of the doubt as well. You are not alone. This is not to say I don't think we are having issues offensively, but I don't put that blame on Monty.
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I really think we need to get to work up front. We are not breaking Ruiz free and to do that we need at least 1 or 2 more steps forward after the snap. Ruiz is not the outside threat, but I trust his vision and he is not seeing much this year.
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I really think we need to get to work up front. We are not breaking Ruiz free and to do that we need at least 1 or 2 more steps forward after the snap. Ruiz is not the outside threat, but I trust his vision and he is not seeing much this year.
I disagree. Whenever we play a team with a good defense we cannot move the ball on them. Do we have some outlier explosive plays, yes, but when facing good teams with this offense we lose two major stats.......TOP, and 3rd down conversions. I have watched this pattern for 5 + years now. Why, because against good teams we don't control the LOS and our running game gets shut down. We were not able to run between the tackles on Pitt, and they played a base defense the entire game. When Pitt needed to stop us, a light blitz folded the OL like a house of cards.
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Dan your love affair with Monty is scary :-\ Are you sure he's not related to you ;) FYI: he's not that good, be he's all we got 8)
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We won't be a great offense any time soon. Wells doesn't go through a progression of any sort on the majority of plays. I payed attention to this on the TV broadcast just to confirm what I have seen in person at the first 3 games.
Unless this changes I expect the low completion percentage will continue.
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The defense is for real and they are playing like title contenders. Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Offensive play calling is horrible and we could have won by 70 if Montgomery wasn't calling the plays
Carl is the magic behind Bo's defenses. He is a top notch coach......
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The defense is for real and they are playing like title contenders. Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Offensive play calling is horrible and we could have won by 70 if Montgomery wasn't calling the plays
Carl is the magic behind Bo's defenses. He is a top notch coach......
My guess is Carl will be the HC at Akron after Terry Bowden is fired after this season, or YSU's next HC after the NE $$ runs out.
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I believe Defense wins championships these stats below are scary how bad the Offense is right now.
1 05:37 Youngstown State - Ruiz, Martin 1 yd run. (Kennedy, Zak kick is good). Drive: 16 plays, 80 yards in 7:25. 7 - 0 This was all Offense ~ SD appears to make the adjustment this quick to what the "O" was wanting to do. No counter to the scheme by the YSU coaching staff
1 00:47 Youngstown State - Kennedy, Zak 33 yd field goal. Drive: 4 plays, -3 yards in 1:59. 10 - 0 Defense intercepts the ball gift wraps a very short field. 4 plays -3 yards yikes good news field goal was good. ::)
2 12:19 Youngstown State - Williams, Andrew 51 yd pass from Wells, Hunter. (Kennedy, Zak kick is good).
Drive: 4 plays, 65 yards in 2:12. Nothing wrong here. 17 - 0
Note 3rd QTR scoreless ~ like most games last year. Without the new defense this is where YSU was losing games last year.
4 12:01 Youngstown State - Ruiz, Martin 2 yd run. (Kennedy, Zak kick is good). Drive: 1 plays, 2 yards in 0:06. Again set up and gift wrapped by the special teams. 24 - 0
4 4:46 Youngstown State - Kuhn, Shane 13 yd pass from Wells, Hunter. (Kennedy, Zak kick is good).
Drive: 2 plays, 15 yards in 0:41. Another gift for the inept Offense 31 - 3
Bottom line: We've got to play better to be a legitimate threat for the playoffs.
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Only 2 MVFC schools have currently a less productive passing offense (Misery and USD).
It may work against USD and NEC teams, but a strong D alone will not be enough versus the MVFC.
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A win is always awesome, esp a win in the MVFC.....but look at these stats from last season....
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/14/team-all.pdf
Wells was picked off twice by the leagues worst team in INT. USD has the worst D in the MVFC...and its not even close....and they froze out our offense after the first quarter. The late TDs were due to opportunities from the D and special teams.
We put up 37 points and 400 yards on Pitt....hopefully the high snaps, dropped passes, procedural penalties are fixed before ISUr.
Interesting stats,,, As bad as the defense was last year the offense wasn't much better according to the MVC.org :(
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All you have to do is go back the last 4 years and see our losses late in the season. Go ahead and look at how many points our offense has scored in the 2nd half of those games. Yeah, it's frightening. Facts are there, people just seem to ignore them and keep Monty up on their little high pedestal.
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All you have to do is go back the last 4 years and see our losses late in the season. Go ahead and look at how many points our offense has scored in the 2nd half of those games. Yeah, it's frightening. Facts are there, people just seem to ignore them and keep Monty up on their little high pedestal.
+1 ^^
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Since we are stating facts, here are a couple more. Monty is our guy and that will not change this year.
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Again I will point out how many points we scored in the first half & we failed to win games. In any case I am not changing my mind, that is what being a fan is all about. You two (3) go on forever, the same stuff that you point the finger at other posters for. Give it a rest. Move on to our bad special teams and the short field we gave USD all game. Also our inability to stop the run. without bringing in the secondary. We face a real QB this week.
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Again I will point out how many points we scored in the first half & we failed to win games. In any case I am not changing my mind, that is what being a fan is all about. You two (3) go on forever, the same stuff that you point the finger at other posters for. Give it a rest. Move on to our bad special teams and the short field we gave USD all game. Also our inability to stop the run. without bringing in the secondary. We face a real QB this week.
:D Nope!! ^^ Bad offense and turnovers = short field for USD 8) Last I checked the run is stopped good enough :o Also we face a real defense this week.
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Since we are stating facts, here are a couple more. Monty is our guy and that will not change this year.
Can't argue with that.
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Total Defense as of Oct 4th
1 Youngstown St. 4 3-1 227 975 4.30 7 8 243.8
2 Campbell 5 3-2 306 1,219 3.98 10 10 243.8
3 McNeese St. 4 4-0 233 986 4.23 4 4 246.5
4 North Dakota St. 4 3-1 240 1,049 4.37 7 8 262.3
5 Kennesaw St. 4 3-1 239 1,094 4.58 7 7 273.5
6 Villanova 4 2-2 273 1,099 4.03 8 9 274.8
7 Alcorn 5 4-1 320 1,376 4.30 17 17 275.2
8 Bucknell 4 3-1 261 1,143 4.38 8 8 285.8
9 Gardner-Webb 4 1-3 260 1,150 4.42 8 8 287.5
10 Charleston So. 4 3-1 242 1,160 4.79 9 11 290.0
11 South Carolina St. 4 2-2 285 1,179 4.14 8 8 294.8
12 Jacksonville St. 5 4-1 304 1,496 4.92 11 13 299.2
13 N.C. A&T 4 3-1 251 1,208 4.81 12 13 302.0
- North Dakota 5 4-1 297 1,510 5.08 13 13 302.0
15 Harvard 3 3-0 203 910 4.48 5 5 303.3
16 South Dakota 4 2-2 280 1,214 4.34 9 10 303.5
17 San Diego 4 3-1 234 1,221 5.22 8 11 305.3
18 Towson 4 2-2 257 1,237 4.81 11 12 309.3
19 Drake 5 2-3 328 1,563 4.77 16 17 312.6
20 Jacksonville 4 4-0 287 1,251 4.36 9 9 312.8
21 Dartmouth 3 3-0 234 942 4.03 5 5 314.0
22 Hampton 5 2-3 351 1,579 4.50 15 17 315.8
23 Chattanooga 4 3-1 239 1,269 5.31 9 10 317.3
24 Portland St. 4 3-1 289 1,273 4.40 5 5 318.3
25 Dayton 4 4-0 291 1,274 4.38 9 11 318.5
26 Saint Francis (PA) 4 2-2 257 1,285 5.00 13 15 321.3
27 William & Mary 4 2-2 258 1,290 5.00 7 9 322.5
28 Eastern Ky.
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Broken record. He is the OC ...deal with it. I think he is fantastic. There is unquestionably no other team, at the I-AA/FCS level with this high-end caliber of OC.
Start talking constructive criticisms of the offense:
1. Wells has been less than stellar and may never be any better.
2. O line is just too inexperienced (and lacks depth).
3. We do not have a DI big back ...sorry, but a TE is a TE is a TE. I liked the two-back look today, but not certain if we have enough beef for the xDSU's, UNI, and SIU.
Broken record, he sucks and has the worst track record in 1AA. the team isn't making the playoffs with Montgomery, thats a proven fact. hes not a guy you win football games. theres a reason he doesn't have an NC ring on his hand and never will, he's not anywhere smart enough or just flat out good enough.
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New coach, same old dumb mistakes to lose games. We probably won't win more than 3 games this season.
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This is why this bum got fired from Nebraska, he couldn't win the big one. This program is done, it's broken and won't win again.
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YSU played good enough to win. Needed tds instead of fg on a few drives. Give ISU credit and there QB is a great athlete.
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There's a reason fans don't show, this team doesn't win and has not given them a reason to believe we will start making winning plays.
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There's a reason fans don't show, this team doesn't win and has not given them a reason to believe we will start making winning plays.
Agreed!! But this coaching staff deserves their shot. Another BIG game next Saturday. And SDSU has 1 loss as well.
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There's a reason fans don't show, this team doesn't win and has not given them a reason to believe we will start making winning plays.
YSU got efffed up the a$$ by the refs
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YSU played good enough to win. Needed tds instead of fg on a few drives. Give ISU credit and there QB is a great athlete.
The ISU fake punt was gutsy and a turning point.
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YSU played good enough to win. Needed tds instead of fg on a few drives. Give ISU credit and there QB is a great athlete.
The ISU fake punt was gutsy and a turning point.
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They torched us from the slot all night long. Turned our corners around. Run defense still shaky but overall not a terrible job.
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YSU played good enough to win. Needed tds instead of fg on a few drives. Give ISU credit and there QB is a great athlete.
The ISU fake punt was gutsy and a turning point.
At least 5 people around me called fake before the snap. Oops
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YSU played good enough to win. Needed tds instead of fg on a few drives. Give ISU credit and there QB is a great athlete.
The ISU fake punt was gutsy and a turning point.
At least 5 people around me called fake before the snap. Oops
ISU(r) had balls! Fake punt, going for TD's on 4th down etc...
The biggest thing I noticed was; YSU is outmanned (size) and team speed is average at best. Not to beat a dead horse but this really reinforced my belief that Wolfords recruiting was not the A+ job many on here gave him credit for. ISU(r)'s Roberson and the TB are studs!
Overall YSU played well and I was thinking we are just a few play makers away from a championship caliber team. Coaching staff has these kids playing hard. I know we all hate the big plays that they give up but my assessment is above ^^
The REF"S!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a great trip back and want to thank Happy, Carl Hungus, Just Toyin and family for all the hospitality!!
See you all again soon.
YBR