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So, what are the chances of and "All-MVFC" final!
What are your predictions"
JMU vs. SDSU
Sam Houston vs. NDSU
Give me JMU 31-SDSU 17
Sam Houston 21- NDSU 24
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All MVFC title
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SDSU my first choice ...then I do not care as long as it is not NDSU.
NDSU is a better match with JMU and SDSU is better match with SHSU. I know that in the preseason the SDSU fans were saying that with this senior-heavy team this is their best chance; but they have had some key injuries forcing young guys in the mix, so I don't think they will have too much down time. I also think they win it all this year.
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SDSU my first choice ...then I do not care as long as it is not NDSU.
NDSU is a better match with JMU and SDSU is better match with SHSU. I know that in the preseason the SDSU fans were saying that with this senior-heavy team this is their best chance; but they have had some key injuries forcing young guys in the mix, so I don't think they will have too much down time. I also think they win it all this year.
I understand, it's hard to ignore 33-21 but IF it's SDSU vs NDSU, it is hard to beat a good team twice in the same season. I understand not wanting NDSU to win again, but if there were money on the line, (and emotion out) I'd bet on NDSU winning it all, especially over SDSU.
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We are better than Sam Houston State. It is a shame that we were left out. The FCS playoff system is a joke. How the he'll does a 40 scholarship team allowed into the playoffs? They will never compete. They need to pick the best teams period. I'm losing interest in the FCS because of this bullsh**. They've taken 6-5 teams in multiple years. WIU got in one year without a signature win, but somehow we are held to a higher standard. Despite our flaws this year, we would have smashed multiple teams and made a deep run. Every other conference is just so much worse than ours that if you finish in the top 5 in the MVFC conference you have a legitimate shot at the title. There is only one team in the CAA that is a threat, but every other team is so much worse than JMU in the CAA conference. Out of the 3 teams left tonight (NDSU advanced easily) we beat one badly, and took the other to OT where we missed a FG. Yet they let in teams like central Connecticut State or Bob Morris teams because they won their conference. It is just an f'n joke
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amen to that, North Dakota does take it to another level in the playoffs.
Do power rankings, strength of schedule etc. why should a team get a free pass because they are in a crap league. it defeats the purpose of the playoffs when half of the teams do not belong there.
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Ditto Power..I loved every minute of the game. The most prolific offense in the entire nation and the best quarterback in FCS Lol. I get a kick out of top analysts like Craig Haley who loves these types of schools and hates the MVFC and YSU with a passion. Aside from their opening 13 play drive for a field goal they did absolutely nothing. The funniest part is when the SHS coach thanked Chris Klieman in the post game conference for not running the score up and putting a hundred up on them. I give the Bison credit with all the injuries they have overcome. They had another RB and DB go down and both injuries looked serious. Time to cheer on the jackrabbit's so we can get an all conference final. Also congrats to the Purple Raiders for picking up another title
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The Purple Raiders are a prime example of why every conference should be represented in the play-off. Who even cares about Mt Union (thus D3) any more? No one. A couple more NDSU titles and I-AA/FCA will be the same. You cannot arbitrarily pick teams. Divide the nation into East & West (which the NCAA has already done), take all conference champs & a couple of runner-ups to make 8 teams on each side. Have at it. East vs. West in every final. Each year we have an East champ, a west champ and a national champ.
If you are going to arbitrarily pick, then let's just go back to the way DI used to be and pick a #1. Then people can have their conversations during the off-season.
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The Purple Raiders are a prime example of why every conference should be represented in the play-off. Who even cares about Mt Union (thus D3) any more? No one. A couple more NDSU titles and I-AA/FCA will be the same. You cannot arbitrarily pick teams. Divide the nation into East & West (which the NCAA has already done), take all conference champs & a couple of runner-ups to make 8 teams on each side. Have at it. East vs. West in every final. Each year we have an East champ, a west champ and a national champ.
If you are going to arbitrarily pick, then let's just go back to the way DI used to be and pick a #1. Then people can have their conversations during the off-season.
No
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The Purple Raiders are a prime example of why every conference should be represented in the play-off. Who even cares about Mt Union (thus D3) any more? No one. A couple more NDSU titles and I-AA/FCA will be the same. You cannot arbitrarily pick teams. Divide the nation into East & West (which the NCAA has already done), take all conference champs & a couple of runner-ups to make 8 teams on each side. Have at it. East vs. West in every final. Each year we have an East champ, a west champ and a national champ.
If you are going to arbitrarily pick, then let's just go back to the way DI used to be and pick a #1. Then people can have their conversations during the off-season.
Are you missing a chromosome? You think Bob Morris has a better chance over us in a 24 team playoff. This is the reason why the FCS is a joke.
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Why not? Think about all the problems that a more structured format would solve. Most importantly:
1. It is the most fair.
2. The conferences would finally even out.
The way it is now, we just give all the rewards to the sames team each year ...BORING. If YSU finds itself unable to compete in the MVFC, then it is time to move to another. Thus giving a short-term boost to that conference. Soon, these weaker conferences will not be so weak. You ask for there to be "haves" and have nots" then you complain when your team plays "have-nots". Also we have more champs this way
1. Conference
2. Regional (N, S, E, W)
3. Finalist
4. National
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The Purple Raiders are a prime example of why every conference should be represented in the play-off. Who even cares about Mt Union (thus D3) any more? No one. A couple more NDSU titles and I-AA/FCA will be the same. You cannot arbitrarily pick teams. Divide the nation into East & West (which the NCAA has already done), take all conference champs & a couple of runner-ups to make 8 teams on each side. Have at it. East vs. West in every final. Each year we have an East champ, a west champ and a national champ.
If you are going to arbitrarily pick, then let's just go back to the way DI used to be and pick a #1. Then people can have their conversations during the off-season.
Are you missing a chromosome? You think Bob Morris has a better chance over us in a 24 team playoff. This is the reason why the FCS is a joke.
No I do not, so they lose the game. However a few years at full scholarship & they will be competitive. It is the NCAA that does not set minimum participation standards ...a partial or non-scholarship team should never be allowed to play in the same tournament as a full-scholarship. All teams in FCS/I-AA should have the same number of players, staff and scholarships. 24-teams is too much anyways.
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The Purple Raiders are a prime example of why every conference should be represented in the play-off. Who even cares about Mt Union (thus D3) any more? No one. A couple more NDSU titles and I-AA/FCA will be the same. You cannot arbitrarily pick teams. Divide the nation into East & West (which the NCAA has already done), take all conference champs & a couple of runner-ups to make 8 teams on each side. Have at it. East vs. West in every final. Each year we have an East champ, a west champ and a national champ.
If you are going to arbitrarily pick, then let's just go back to the way DI used to be and pick a #1. Then people can have their conversations during the off-season.
I think it is about time for FCS to follow the method used by FBS in the selection of the playoff teams. FCS can pick 16 teams using the computer algorithms based on many factors: strength of schedules, team rcords, opponent's records and their strength of records, signature wins, ............ This is much better than awarding automatic bids for some lowly rank conference champions such as CCSU, Robert Morris or Dayton...
Are you missing a chromosome? You think Bob Morris has a better chance over us in a 24 team playoff. This is the reason why the FCS is a joke.
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I thought the best teams are supposed to be in the playoffs. My problem as Penguin Power States is the field is tainted with conferences having different scholarship limits and dollar commitments to funding football. The fans and alumni are getting screwed in the upper tier levels of fcs with this. I found it embarrassing after watching the first ten minutes of last nights game to see that this wasn’t even going to be a game. I think the playoff committee did a disservice to FCS on how we pick the brackets. If we want this level to be taken seriously it needs to be set up like the BCS. They have no problem leaving the weaker conferences out. And why are we so secret on where everybody stands. Do like BCS and the last month or whatever show the top 24. It’s BS
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I thought the best teams are supposed to be in the playoffs. My problem as Penguin Power States is the field is tainted with conferences having different scholarship limits and dollar commitments to funding football. The fans and alumni are getting screwed in the upper tier levels of fcs with this. I found it embarrassing after watching the first ten minutes of last nights game to see that this wasn’t even going to be a game. I think the playoff committee did a disservice to FCS on how we pick the brackets. If we want this level to be taken seriously it needs to be set up like the BCS. They have no problem leaving the weaker conferences out. And why are we so secret on where everybody stands. Do like BCS and the last month or whatever show the top 24. It’s BS
Good point Go, but they only take 4-teams as this point; they will not get away with leaving any conference out in a sweet-16 field. Look how badly the Big-10 was screwed his year. Our level is supposed to be the example.
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Let me elaborate a little better. The committee needs to start showing their 24 pics beginning 4 weeks before playoffs. The conferences and teams need to be ranked by strength of schedule and each conference is ranked heres the kicker, The top 4 conferences get autobids. They are the top 4 seeds. The rest of the field is chosen as an at large bid and seeded accordingly. If you are not a top 4 conference winner you are judged by strength of schedule, strength of conference etc. no more auto bids for the conferences don’t put their working capital and play good completion.
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SDSU had 10 turnovers. I don't think I've ever seen a stat like that before. They are turning into bridesmaids like UNI. Perennially overrated and can't get their dick up when it counts
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JMU will win again. Great team.
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JMU has great defensive backfield coaching!!! Note their defensive backs watch the ball, not like YSU and many other teams who coach; keep your eyes on the pass receiver's back of the helmet. JMU had 6 interceptions and so far this season 31 interceptions, WOW that is incredible! I never heard of any team having 31 interceptions in one year.
NDSU has great team, but so does JMU. I believe JMU will out of FCS level football within a year or two.
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I thought the best teams are supposed to be in the playoffs. My problem as Penguin Power States is the field is tainted with conferences having different scholarship limits and dollar commitments to funding football. The fans and alumni are getting screwed in the upper tier levels of fcs with this. I found it embarrassing after watching the first ten minutes of last nights game to see that this wasn’t even going to be a game. I think the playoff committee did a disservice to FCS on how we pick the brackets. If we want this level to be taken seriously it needs to be set up like the BCS. They have no problem leaving the weaker conferences out. And why are we so secret on where everybody stands. Do like BCS and the last month or whatever show the top 24. It’s BS
Good point Go, but they only take 4-teams as this point; they will not get away with leaving any conference out in a sweet-16 field. Look how badly the Big-10 was screwed his year. Our level is supposed to be the example.
What did I miss, how was the big 10 screwed?
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Let me elaborate a little better. The committee needs to start showing their 24 pics beginning 4 weeks before playoffs. The conferences and teams need to be ranked by strength of schedule and each conference is ranked heres the kicker, The top 4 conferences get autobids. They are the top 4 seeds. The rest of the field is chosen as an at large bid and seeded accordingly. If you are not a top 4 conference winner you are judged by strength of schedule, strength of conference etc. no more auto bids for the conferences don’t put their working capital and play good completion.
Showing the rankings the last month or so is a good idea. giving any conference an auto bid is a bad idea. figure out a way to blindly power rank every team in 1AA. Then take the top 16 teams. If a 6-5 team ranks higher than an 11-0 team, so be it. Tells teams and certain conferences that if they want to make the playoffs they need to step it up.
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I thought the best teams are supposed to be in the playoffs. My problem as Penguin Power States is the field is tainted with conferences having different scholarship limits and dollar commitments to funding football. The fans and alumni are getting screwed in the upper tier levels of fcs with this. I found it embarrassing after watching the first ten minutes of last nights game to see that this wasn’t even going to be a game. I think the playoff committee did a disservice to FCS on how we pick the brackets. If we want this level to be taken seriously it needs to be set up like the BCS. They have no problem leaving the weaker conferences out. And why are we so secret on where everybody stands. Do like BCS and the last month or whatever show the top 24. It’s BS
Good point Go, but they only take 4-teams as this point; they will not get away with leaving any conference out in a sweet-16 field. Look how badly the Big-10 was screwed his year. Our level is supposed to be the example.
What did I miss, how was the big 10 screwed?
Every Big-6 conference that did not go was screwed.
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Let me elaborate a little better. The committee needs to start showing their 24 pics beginning 4 weeks before playoffs. The conferences and teams need to be ranked by strength of schedule and each conference is ranked heres the kicker, The top 4 conferences get autobids. They are the top 4 seeds. The rest of the field is chosen as an at large bid and seeded accordingly. If you are not a top 4 conference winner you are judged by strength of schedule, strength of conference etc. no more auto bids for the conferences don’t put their working capital and play good completion.
Showing the rankings the last month or so is a good idea. giving any conference an auto bid is a bad idea. figure out a way to blindly power rank every team in 1AA. Then take the top 16 teams. If a 6-5 team ranks higher than an 11-0 team, so be it. Tells teams and certain conferences that if they want to make the playoffs they need to step it up.
Read what you are typing. You are saying that we no longer need conferences. I am fine with that. Tressel did it.
So you are sayng we no longe
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Let me elaborate a little better. The committee needs to start showing their 24 pics beginning 4 weeks before playoffs. The conferences and teams need to be ranked by strength of schedule and each conference is ranked heres the kicker, The top 4 conferences get autobids. They are the top 4 seeds. The rest of the field is chosen as an at large bid and seeded accordingly. If you are not a top 4 conference winner you are judged by strength of schedule, strength of conference etc. no more auto bids for the conferences don’t put their working capital and play good completion.
Showing the rankings the last month or so is a good idea. giving any conference an auto bid is a bad idea. figure out a way to blindly power rank every team in 1AA. Then take the top 16 teams. If a 6-5 team ranks higher than an 11-0 team, so be it. Tells teams and certain conferences that if they want to make the playoffs they need to step it up.
Read what you are typing. You are saying that we no longer need conferences. I am fine with that. Tressel did it.
So you are sayng we no longe
Certainly conferences make scheduling easier, and may be a necessary evil, but I would trade a conference title for a spot in the play-offs every time.
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yes but one should never be forced to make that decision. Let's look at the OVC. As recent as the late 80's and early 90's it was the best conference. (but top-heavy in football). Now it is just barely above mid-pack and that is an improvement over earlier years. The Big South and Patriot have produced some very good teams, but are down more than up. What you are really saying is that the none of the non or partial scholarship conferences deserve auto-bids ...well this is only 2 conferences, with one of them migrating to full-scholarship (along with the Patriot League). So that is 10 conferences that should be awarded the same opportunity. You do not think that other conferences are tired of losing bids to the MVFC and CAA? Do you not think the better teams want an easier first-round game? Just take these 10- conference champs, add in 6 at-large and let's go.
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As much as this year hurts with us not getting in and being better than probably at least half of those that did, (with Hunter Wells and Justin Reed playing), you almost have to give all the conferences 1 auto bid so they have something to shoot for during the season. It is much like us in Basketball. The Horizon entry in many cases is probably not better than some of the teams left out. Our league is just too strong. Not sure why the Dakotas and Northern Iowa are so strong, but they are and that is what is disturbing logical selections. Are they funded better due to them being in states without so many 1A teams or is their recruiting so much easier? Are they headed to 1A? Not sure about that. But it sure hurts us now; especially this year.
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Central Conn would have been lucky to win one game in our league nuff said about a conference champ deserving an auto bid.
If making a top 16 ranking and playoff spot does not give you something to shoot for then you may as well be playing intramural. heck just give every team a participation trophy.
I have no doubt that other teams/conferences are tired of CAA and our league getting multiple bids. The PC answer is not to offend anyone and reward a team even if they do not deserve it. The correct answer is to reward teams that have proven, on the field, they are top 16 worthy. Any team that complains about not making the top 16 needs only to look in the mirror.
Certainly any team would want an "easy" first round game, but that should mean that if they make the top four they get to play one of the bottom four, of the best 16 teams. Not a team that should not be there.
Come up with a fair ranking formula, make the rules and standards clear and I have no doubt that the teams interested in playing for a national championship will take the needed steps (recruiting, schedule, etc) to make the top 16.
The high-school playoffs in OH are a great example, If you are in a weak conference and do not schedule some tough non league games, you can go 10-0 win your league and get to watch the play-offs on tv. You can play a tough schedule, go 5-5 and get to play for a state championship.
Guessing that several on this board would love this top 16 method as it would force teams ( maybe even YSU ) to schedule more selectively.
Selection needs to be blind and fair, 16 best teams plain and simple.
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Personally, I'm all in with the OVC. Less travel and could be all-sports fostering more rivalries.
I look at the playoffs this way. I look at this as a 16 team field. The other spots are political and you can use them on whomever, for whatever reason. If you don't EARN one of the top 16 spots, then you don't deserve to be in for football reasons and I don't want any damn political pass!