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Re: Nebraska and Tressel and the mess that is the UNLV coaching search
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2014, 07:54:44 PM »
Yes, Allegiant is based in Vegas. I see their planes alot, as we live close enough to airport to read name of airline on the planes when flying over our apartment complex.

I agree about it being odd that there are no flights from Vegas to Y-town, especially with Allegiant already having flights out of Ytown/Warren and headquarters being in Vegas.

Cool story about Les Cochran.

Football may well not make sense as far as YSU at UNLV, because I'm guessing UNLV only pays guarantee about same as schools in MAC. But, basketball, I think it makes total sense. Especially a 4 game tournament, where 2 games are at campus sites, then 2 here.

MGM Grand Event (Vegas games at MGM Grand Garden Arena
Campus Site Games
Nov. 14 Milwaukee at Auburn, 10 p.m. (ESPNU)
Nov. 15 Tulsa at Oral Roberts, 8 p.m. (ESPN3)
Nov. 17 Louisiana-Lafayette at Tulsa, 9:30 p.m. (ESPN3)
Nov. 21 Milwaukee at Oklahoma State, 8 p.m. (Cowboy Sports Network)
Louisiana-Lafayette at Auburn, 9 p.m. (SEC on FSN)
Oral Roberts at Oregon State, 9 p.m. (Pac-12 Network Oregon)

Middleweight Round-Robin
Nov. 24 Milwaukee vs. Louisiana-Lafayette, 6 p.m.
Nov. 25 Louisiana-Lafayette vs. Oral Roberts, 9 p.m.
Nov. 26 Oral Roberts vs. Milwaukee, 4 p.m.

Heavyweight Semifinals
(Nov. 24)
Oklahoma State vs. Oregon State, 8:30 p.m. (ESPN3)
Auburn vs. Tulsa, approx. 11 p.m. (ESPNU)

Heavyweight Finals
(Nov. 26)
Consolation, 9 p.m. (ESPN3)
Championship, approx. 11:30 p.m. (ESPN2)

Las Vegas Invitational (Vegas games played at Orleans Arena
Campus Site Games
Nov. 21
Prairie View at Baylor (FS Southwest/FCS Atlantic)
Austin Peay at Illinois, 8 p.m. (ESPN3)

Nov. 22
Brown at Indiana State, 7 p.m.

Nov. 24
Stephen F. Austin at Baylor (FS Southwest/FCS Pacific)
Austin Peay at Indiana State, 6:30 p.m.
Brown at Illinois, 8 p.m. (ESPN3)
Prairie View at Memphis, 8 p.m. (ESPN3)

Dec. 2
Stephen F. Austin at Memphis, 7 p.m. (ESPNews)

Visitors' Semifinals
(Nov. 27)
Austin Peay vs. Brown, 2 p.m.
Stephen F. Austin vs. Prairie View, 9 p.m.

Hosts' Semifinals
(Nov. 27)
Indiana State vs. Illinois, 5 p.m. (FS1)
Baylor vs. Memphis, approx. 12 a.m. (FS1)

Visitors' Finals
(Nov. 28)
Consolation, 2:30 p.m.
Championship, approx. 5 p.m.

Hosts' Finals
(Nov. 28)
Consolation, 8 p.m. (FS1)
Championship, approx. 10:30 p.m. (FS1)

Las Vegas Classic:(Vegas games played at Orleans Arena)
Campus Site Games
Dec. 14 Southern Utah at Boise State, 6:30 p.m.
Dec. 17 Arkansas-Pine Bluff at Houston, 8 p.m. (ESPN3)
             Abilene Christian at Loyola of Chicago, 8 p.m.
             South Carolina State at Texas Tech, 8 p.m. (Red Raider Sports/FCS Central)

Dec. 19 South Carolina State at Houston, 8 p.m. (ESPN3)
              Southern Utah at Loyola of Chicago, 8 p.m.
             Arkansas-Pine Bluff at Texas Tech, 8 p.m. (Red Raider Sports/FS SW Plus/FCS Central)

Dec. 20 Abilene Christian at Boise State, 1 p.m.

Visitors' Semifinals
(Dec. 22)
Arkansas-Pine Bluff at Southern Utah, 3 p.m.
Abilene Christian vs. South Carolina State, approx. 5:30 p.m.

Hosts' Semifinals
(Dec. 22)
Texas Tech vs. Loyola of Chicago, 8 p.m.
Houston vs. Boise State, approx. 10:30 p.m.

Visitors' Finals
(Dec. 23)
Consolation, 3:30 p.m.
Championship, approx. 6 p.m.

Hosts' Finals
(Dec. 23)
Consolation, 9 p.m. (FS1)
Championship, approx. 11:30 p.m. (FS1)
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Re: Nebraska and Tressel and the mess that is the UNLV coaching search
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2014, 09:18:06 PM »
Don't sugar coat it, Sam Boyd is a dump, lol.  I was there for the start of the 2012 season to watch my Gophers open up. 

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2014, 05:56:10 PM »
Sam Boyd Stadium is far from the best stadium in FBS. It is also not the worst. Another thing to consider is the stadium was first built in 1971. There have been improvements made since you were there in 2012. A new scoreboard was installed in 2014. It is twice the size of the old scoreboard, and is digital. Easy to see and read, unlike the main scoreboard when you were there in 2012.

Landscaping stones and grass were also added around the locker room buildings at the open end of the stadium and interior walls of the club section were painted. I now it's not much, but it's better than nothing. With funding from the state legislature for the proposed new stadium project shelved until at least 2017, UNLV is faced with an unenviable situation. The long term goal is a new stadium. But, the current stadium is in need of upgrades. The parking areas are awful, especially the gravel/chunks of concrete/chunks of blacktop/chunks of who knows what area. With us getting so little rain, having grass parking areas is not a problem. It rained yesterday and is raining today. First rain since Sept 28th.

Getting in and out of the parking lots is a nightmare. The stadium is in a residential area, bordered by the wetlands park and not too far away a mountain. Not sure there is much of anything that can be done about that? I do know that RTC(public transit) built a new terminal on the UNLV Campus. Students can purchase a round trip bus ticket to SBS for a cost of $4. For non students, the standard fare of $2.00 for one way ticket or $5 for all day pass apply. This is a special route just for game days. It is an express route, and takes 15-20 minutes. There is a regular, fixed route that goes near the stadium, but this is separate from that route.

This route is the 602. This route has only a few stops for people to get on/off, so probably takes 20-25 minutes at most if going from The Strip. Route goes from SBS to the intersection of E Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd(intersection where MGM, NY-NY, Excalibur are located). It does a small loop near LV Blvd that takes it dow to Mandalay Bay. There are 14 stops, which seems like alot. However, all but 3 of the stops are between UNLV Campus and the strip. If going from The Strip, once past UNLV campus, the 3 stops are all in the area near SBS, including one right in front of the stadium. Reason for the stops between UNLV Transit Center and Strip are for connecting bus routes. This eliminates the issue of parking and getting out of the stadium after the game, and also means if one drinks to much alcohol at the game, no concerns over driving while intoxicated

There is another route that has only 3 stops, but runs in a loop and does not come anywhere near UNLV or the Strip.

The stadium could use new seats, as what they have now are very hard and worn out. At least they have backs though on the bleacher seats. There is not a bad spot in the stadium from which to watch the game. Concessions are not great, but reasonably priced. Bathrooms, as with many older stadiums could use upgrades. The problem is all of the things I've mentioned would run into the millions of $$. And, if an on campus stadium does get built, SBS could well be torn down. Especially with the plan being to have the new stadium be a multi-use stadium.

UNLV is in the process of a $50-60 MILLION renovation of Thomas & Mack Center, which was built in the early 80's. As in many states, the way public education is funded in Nevada is outdated. It also favors the Northern part of the state for K-12, as they use a funding model from like the 70's, when Las Vegas had about the same population as Ytown. And, as far as funding when it comes to the 2 public, 4 year colleges, UNR is favored over UNLV. We may as well be our own state here in Clark County. 2.2 MILLION people in a state with population of $3 MILLION. And, a little over 2 MILLION people live in Las Vegas Metro area.

As far as hiring Sanchez, when this idea was first floated, my reaction was similar to yours. I even used the Gerry Faust fiasco at ND and Akron on the UNLV message board as an example why this is a bad idea. Sanchez is a good comparison to Faust, because he is at a Catholic School that dominates high school football in Nevada. Their facilities are on par with alot of FCS and some FBS schools. The exception would be capacity of football stadium(about 6,000) and gymnasium. The school building used now is at most 5 years old. Money is not an issue at BG for their sports teams. And, they recruit. Part of the recruiting is done by the program. Snoop Dogg moved to Vegas this summer so his son, Cordell Broadus could attend BG this year. He did so to get more exposure from college coaches.

BG now plays 6 out of state teams, and then the 4 games required against teams in their section. BG is ranked #1 by both MaxPreps and USA Today. Have not lost to a team from Nevada in 6 years. And, they are equally as good in basketball, and just about every sport. Inbee Park, the #1 ranked player on the LPGA Tour is a graduate of Gorman. This year, they played the following 6 teams non-conference:
Brophy College Prep(Phoenix, AZ)....Gorman won 44-0... Brophy is 10-4, ranked 6th in Arizona and 231 Nationally by Max Preps

@ Servite(CA) won 48-27...Servits is down this year and finished 4-7...ranked #26 in Cali and #259 Nationally
Bingham High School (Utah, in Salt Lake area...Gorman won 23-20.... Bingham is 13-1...ranked 15th Nationally by Max Preps and #1 in Utah
Centennial (Corona, CA)...won 43-42.... Centennial is 11-2....ranked #8 Nationally by Max Preps and #2 in Cali
Santa Margarita(Santa Margarita, CA).... BG won 41-10... Margarit finished 6-5...ranked #23 in CA and #218 Nationally
ST, John Bosco(Bellflower, CA)...BG won 34-31.... Bosco is 12-1.... #1 in CA and #4 Nationally

Sanchez has been HC at Gorman since 2009...record is 70-4

I'm telling you all of this, because you started the thread, and this is relevant to the thread. Bobby Hauck had 9 very successful years at Montana. In 5 years at UNLV, had 4 seasons of 2 wins, and last years miracle season of 7-6 with loss in Heart of Dallas Bowl.... HC before him was Mike Sanford, current HC of Indy State. His overal record was 8-32 in 5 years... most games won in a season was 3.

So, how can things possibly get worse for UNLV football bu hiring Sanchez? Especially if it means TENS of MILLIONS of $$$$$$$ donated by the Fertitta family to UNLV? There aren’t many people in Las Vegas with more money than the Fertitta family. According to Forbes they are estimated to be worth $2.6 billion, and are the 89th richest family in the country. If Sanchez is a flop, then he is gone in 4-5 years. But, all the money donated, and everything done with the money remains at UNLV. Sanchez is well liked in the community, has alot of contacts, and he knows how to recruit. Yes, recruiting for high school is different than for FBS college, but it is still recruiting. Also, I hear coaches and players say all the time that "football is football". Sanchez has also coached in Texas, California and New Mexico.

Here is a link to the facility BG built with money donated by the Fertitta Family. Not hard at all to see why UNLV would be willing to hire Sanchez, if it means money for facility upgrades.

http://www.bggaelsfootball.com/football-gormans-new-facility-trumps-even-universities
..."Funded solely by the donations of the Fertitta brothers -- Frank and Lorenzo are Gorman graduates, heirs to their father's Station Casinos business and UFC owners -- Gorman's 41,324-square-foot athletic training center opened in July.The facility features a 90-seat classroom for game film study, a hydrotherapy pool and ice bath, an 11,500-square-foot weight room with an indoor four-lane, 60-yard track and a locker room that puts to shame those of the Rebels and Wolf Pack. The second floor hosts banquets and houses the championship trophies. It also features a balcony that overlooks the football field. A 40-yard digital LED board hangs from the balcony. At the donors' request, Gorman officials have not released the project's cost. The final price tag for the athletic training facility is rumored to be in the $20 million range."...


Images of BG's stadium and training facility
















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Re: Nebraska and Tressel and the mess that is the UNLV coaching search
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2014, 06:11:17 PM »
ysuhoops24,

I know you like tennis. Here is the UNLV Tennis Facility, which was paid for by the Fertitta family, and named after the parents. Not trying to sell you on UNLV, as much as selling you on why so many people here think hiring Sanchez just might be crazy enough to work. Plus, this is Vegas...We do things different here in Vegas  8)





This pic has the practice football fields in foreground and tennis court in background.... 2 full length turf fields, and a grass field of about 50-60 yards..not great, but not awful either... definitely need indoor facility though





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Re: Nebraska and Tressel and the mess that is the UNLV coaching search
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2014, 06:36:35 PM »
Plus, what the UNLV basketball team appreciated for years & the NCAA did not ..."what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas"  8)

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2014, 07:19:24 PM »
Actually, what happens in Vegas rarely stays in Vegas, because people that come here for vacation tend to post their exploits on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram....etc.

As for Tark, while he was not a saint, the NCAA did not like him because he would not allow them to bully him. And, ultimately, the UNLV Administration turned on Tark. Those teams of the late 70's, 80's and early 90's are the only reason many people even knew there was a University here in Las Vegas. There likely would not be a Thomas & Mack Center if not for Tark.UNLV used to be referred to as Tumbleweed Tech before Tark put the school on the map.

Tarks battle with the NCAA goes all the way back to the 60's, when he wrote op-ed pieces in the Long Beach Newspaper about the hypocrisy of the NCAA. Most notably, the way the NCAA selectively chooses the schools to punish, and also the punishments. Tark even appeared before the US Supreme Court, where the court said that the N.C.A.A.’s treatment of him was “constitutionally inadequate” but ruled against him because the N.C.A.A. was a private organization.

I have little doubt UNLV mens basketball was breaking NCAA rules while Tark was HC. Heck, they are probably breaking NCAA rules now. The question is, to what degree, and did the NCAA have it out to dig up every possible piece of dirt on Tark, while overlooking similar things going on at other schools.

Something that rarely gets mentioned is the rate at which his players graduated. As you know, he made UNLV a refugee for guys in need/want of 2nd or 3rd chances. Players who played for Tark graduated at a rate higher than the UNLV average. At the time Tark retired, the graduation rate for his players was 50%. Not great, but about average for NCAA programs. And, while several players did flunk out or drop out, many left UNLV to go and play professionally. In 2012, the 6 year graduation rate for ALL college students in the United States was 56%. So, 50% for a so called "rogue program" on which the players were treated as celebrities by not just the people of Vegas, but by people like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr,

To me, Tark was alot like Tressel, only without the Mr. Rogers/Choir Boy image. They each were willing to give guys 2nd and 3rd chances. If players listened to them, and showed that they were trying to do right, they were supported. Sometimes, supported to a fault. They were more than coaches to many of their players. They were friends, brothers, uncles, probation officers, teachers. And, both will unfortunately be known for the mistakes they made, rather than all the kids they helped, the lives they changed and the success of their teams.

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2014, 09:32:22 PM »
UNLV has a beautiful baseball stadium as well.  The improvments you said, I know exactly what you are talking about the enterence by the locker rooms and what not....that's where we entered from after a long hot day of tailgating and remember thinking what a dump lol.  You are right though, not the best but not the worse. 

Awesome pictures of the football facility of that high school...just wow, it blows my mind.  I knew that family donated a bunch of money for that tennis facility, seen that in articles on the UNLV search (I've kept an eye on UNLV since going out to that game, the Rebel fans were very good to us in the tailgate lot so I always pull for them now).

Great to see them figuring out transportation to the game.  When the wife and I flew out, we had no clue what to do getting to the game and were looking into bussing or any other option.  Luckily the gopher website I go to (gopherhole) we had a meetup in Vegas and some Gopher fans had an extra spot on a hug conversion van so we chipped in on it, went and got a bunch of beer and chipped in on a tailgate  pass.

We are hoping to get to Vegas again soon.  So if I make it in, look out for some YSU gear :)  My wife swam at YSU and knows some people who swims at UNLV so we want go check out that facility.  She's now the head coach at Hubbard so looks like I will be at some HS swim meets this year.  :/

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Re: Nebraska and Tressel and the mess that is the UNLV coaching search
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2014, 12:49:25 PM »
Mike Riley from Oregon State to Nebraska.

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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2014, 02:07:07 AM »
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There is supposed to be an announcement on Saturday in regards to next HC at UNLV. Sanchez is denying all of the rumors, but Bishop Gorman plays in State Championship Game on Saturday day afternoon. Kind of odd UNLV would have an announcement about the new HC scheduled for AFTER the Gorman game has ended, and Sanchez not be named HC. There are alot of people here that want Jim Fassel as the next HC. He lives here, has alot of experience, and has said he would be interested in the job. Everything just seems to point to Sanchez already having the job. If it is true about the amount of money the Fertitta family is rumored to be willing to donate to UNLV, can't say I blame the AD for going with Sanchez. It's not like the program can get worse on the field, and Sanchez might actually be able to convince more kids from Vegas area to go to UNLV rather than other schools. Also, if anything, attendance would likely increase with Sanchez as HC, at least to start.From there, it would depend on how team does off the field. Either way, UNLV would most likely be looking for a new HC in another 4-5 years. Given past history, likely scenario would be to replace a coach fired or who resigned. And, if someone gets hired, can have 2-3 winning seasons in a row, they would likely get hired away by a school in a higher profile conference that pays more. The HC at Colorado State is leaving to take the job at Florida. This was only his 3rd season at CSU.

We live right on the edge of campus. Can see the baseball stadium lights from out apartment. Same wit hte lights of practice football field and soccer field. There is a UNLV academic building behind our apartment complex, one next to out complex and further down the road a UNLV parking deck.

We go walking alot back in the area where the baseball stadium, soccer fields, track, tennis courts, natatorium and softball fields are located. The baseball stadium is very nice. It would have been demolished if the original stadium plans had come to fruition, as that is the area the football stadium was to be built. Baseball stadium, track, softball stadium and not sure what else all would have then been moved to a parcel of land near corner of Trpicana Ave and Swenson.

I've never been in the natatorium, but from what I know it is pretty nice. Actually, with the exception of Sam Boyd Stadium, all the athletic facilities at UNLV are rather good. Football practice area could be better, but there are 2 turf fields and one grass field, and entire area has lights so team can practice at night. An indoor facility would really help, given how hot it gets here in the summer and early fall. Plus, that is the type of thing recruits look for when deciding on a school.

UNLV men had people qualify for NCAA Finals in several events this past season. From what I know, men's program seems to be better than womens program. There have been changes to the Strip since you were here in 2012. And if you wanted to stay off strip but still be close to the strip, there is an off strip hotel/casino not far from the campus you might want to look into. It is called Silver 7's. Used to be called Terrible's. It's at corner of Flamingo and Paradise.

About 20 minute walk to Strip, or you can ride bus. First 4-5 months after moving here, we walked from a Starbucks near Silver 7's to the Strip 4-5 times a week, typically around 11:30pm - 12:30am. Never had any problems, as road has high volume of traffic, and there are always people out walking on Flamingo. Also more than one business open 24/7, including another hotel/casino called Tuscany. And, for future reference, Tropicana bus runs 24/7, and there are 2 buses on The Strip that go Downtown. Duece on The Strip runs 24/7(every 15 minutes from 7AM-2AM, every 20 minutes 2AM-7AM) and goes from Freemont Experience in Downtown to South Strip Terminal, which is just past LV Premium Oulets(South location)... The other bus is SDX and it runs from 9am-Midnight(every 15 minutes). Goes from Premium Oulets North(downtown area) to South Strip Terminal. Whenever possible, I'd recommend the buses or walking instead of a taxi. Also, it is illegal in Vegas to hail a cab. I have no idea why? Never heard of anything like that until moving here. If/when you are getting ready to come back out, you can send me a private message if you want.

It's not a huge place, and being off the strip rates are likely lower. Has a hotel, plus casino and there is a sportsbook in the casino. There are 2 restaurants, open 24 hours, with 1 being a buffet. Another open from 5pm-9pm Friday-Saturday It's about a 10 minute walk at most from Silver 7's to Hard Rock Hotel/Casino. Probably 15-20 minute walk max to UNLV Natatorium. If you took bus to the strip, it would be 5-10 minutes, and you would get off at intersection where Caesar's Palace, Bellagio and Bally's are located. Bill's Gambling Hall was totally renovated and renamed, and Caesars has built a 550 foot tall observation wheel, plus area called The Linq, which has stores, restaurants and more.
http://www.silversevenscasino.com/

Good luck to your wife with coaching. I remember when she swam for YSU.

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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2014, 10:29:26 PM »
Sanchez to UNLV may not be a done deal just yet. Maloof brothers are loaded with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Maloofs support June Jones for UNLV job
http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv-rebels/football/maloofs-support-june-jones-unlv-job

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Re: Nebraska and Tressel and the mess that is the UNLV coaching search
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2014, 10:44:31 PM »
Hey Talk,

If the rich guys that lose this power struggle become disaffected with UNLV, inform them that there is a school back east that would welcome their input (and their money.)  Heck, tell them that school would even name a building or two in their honor for the proper level of contribution. :P

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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2014, 11:10:27 PM »
Wick250... LOL

One of the Fertitta brothers has a son who is going to Notre Dame next year on a football scholarship. So,cI'm guessing ND will be getting money from the family.

This whole  thing is turning into a huge fiasco. The AD has had phone interviews with June Jones, Ed Orgeron and Houston Nutt, and met in person with Jim Fassel. Meeting in person with Fasel is nothing special, given he lives in Vegas metro area.

Maloof are being tight lipped as far as money being given to UNLV in addition donations they already make. Same with Fertitta family. Sanchez is denying he is going to be the next HC. As you can see, the names mentioned are all retreads, and then a guy with no college coaching experience. Bobby Hauck's total compensation package when first hired was $350,000. As you can see, UNLV does not pay much compared to other FBS schools.

Earlier in the week, the local CBS affiliate posted on their website that Sanchez was going to be hired by UNLV. The school came out and refuted the story, as did Sanchez.

My personal feeling is UNLV would be wise to drop to FCS. Not many seem to agree.

If Sanchez does indeed get hired, the Fertitta family had better come through with Tens of Millions of $$$$$, or the AD will be a laughing stock.